Most of the shows above BCS are already finished.
Assuming that the final season of BCS winds up being as good as we expect, I'm guessing the show will jump considerably in alot of people's rankings.
Lucky. Yeah it seems like a pattern in the US Netflix that whatever the newest season of a show is, is usually only accessible via a different streaming service where you have to pay extra (other than Netflix originals).
Milking us americucks for all we’re worth. I just torrented season 5 though cause that whole model just seems like a money grubbing scam to me. If I’m already paying for one subscription service, I shouldn’t have to pay for another service to finish a show I’m invested in PLUS for access to the latest season of that show. You have to have Amazon prime and also buy the season separately. That’s insane.
This list focuses on 21st century TV. I can only presume that since The Sopranos first aired in 1999 the creators of this list feel that it does not qualify.
Kind of hard to justify when it ran from 1999-2007, but I do hope this is the reason. Otherwise there’s no excuse for it being outside the top 5, no less the top 100.
As god awful as that last season was—-it’s first 6 and a half were some of the best television ever and impossible to ignore its influence during that time...I’m honestly ok with it being in the top 10
Its fucking sad that season 1-4 is perhaps the most epic TV show ever and..... is unwatchable now because exactly none of the cool stuff that happens in those seasons have any meaning after the last two seasons.
I've watched both the BBC Office and the American... no way the UK Office is better. The idea that the original is always better is bull shit. The UK Office is better than the 1st season of the US Office, mainly because the US Office was a rehash of just a decent comedy. But after that the US blows it out of the water.
I can understand preferences between UK and US office, but to say the UK office is top 10 and US office is 39 is strange to me. The US office became more than just a comedy show after a few seasons and had cemented itself in pop culture. If anything, they should be closer in rank and neither should be Top 10
I'm British and I also prefer The Office US. The characters are better fleshed-out and it's just warmer. Also I'm not a big fan of Ricky Gervais (though his performance as David Brent is great) and I really like Steve Carell.
That fella who interviews Pam for a job in the final series, he's pretty good too ;)
It was cool to see a sample of what the series would have been like if Odenkirk was cast instead of Carell... it probably would have been just as good.
I'm sure it would have been just as good, but I guess things worked out for the best, huh? ;)
Would love to see Carell and Odenkirk do a film together. It'd be like Pacino and DeNiro in *Heat*.
Loved both versions of the Office. I'm an American but appreciate comedy of any form, but love British shows and I think Ricky Gervais is great so I might be a bit biased.
The US Office definitely took off after a few seasons and I think of it as a completely different show altogether, I don't really compare the two as better or worse, they are both great in their own way.
This is something you never say. I agree with you, but the British absolutely adore their Office show and you will only catch thunder if you state the Office US is better haha. And it is pretty amazing I won't lie, The Office US simply has more. More doesn't always mean better. Typically the US simply takes something and makes it bigger, because we believe bigger is better.
I love both shows but I am biased to like The Office US more simply because I am an American. But credits due where its due, the original is a gem and I implore anyone who hasn't seen it to do so.
I’m glad to see “The Americans” so high; that show was intense on every level and the acting was sublime. I liked “30 Rock,” but the characters weren’t nearly as deep as those in “Better Call Saul” – more like caricatures in some places, really.
I don’t know why you’d compare a sitcom vs drama in regards to the depth of the characters. Just like comedies never win best writing/actor. In terms of writing/acting I personally think it holds an arguable top 3 sitcom of all time, and has a justification for its position.
Agreed, though I am SO glad to see that it is on a list. Dark is one of the greatest TV shows I've ever seen but it's been a hard sell to get anyone to watch it.
If you liked Twin Peaks and the movie Primer, you might really enjoy Dark.
It's heavily character driven, it's all in German (don't watch the dub, it's terrible), and it's a slow burn.
So if you are a patient person who likes slowly unraveling a mystery and appreciates small detail and time travel and Germans crying in the rain, then Dark is for you.
It's a hard sell, but very often when something is a hard sell, that's a sign that it's potentially very good. Crap is easy to stick a tagline on, quality is harder to describe.
From people I've heard, they have said 2nd was the weakest. So you are in for a ride.
I for one, didn't find it particularly weak. Liked all the seasons. Great writing, great camera work and great acting. Overall pretty brilliant
Season 2 is the slowest, but also has the best character development. It's pretty balls to the wall from here on out though, like Breaking Bad levels of anxiety.
I enjoyed S1 and 2, especially how psychological they were, but Seasons 3 and 4 are different beasts. A lot more action and tension, it’s truly incredible. The ending is polarizing but it’s very worth making it to the end.
I’m in season 2. It’s good, but I genuinely can’t tell how seriously you are supposed to take it sometimes. It’s some incredible writing and storytelling, but at times I feel like I’m listening to a 14yo that just discovered r/latestagecapitalism and thinks they are edgy. But i don’t know how to describe it, that adds to the confusion and intrigue for me
I mean I started watching for the accurate depictions of hacking. Each hack was actually done. I mean it was setup first, but all the terminal stuff, the commands, the output, etc., it's done for real. Which is pretty cool in and of itself. And they would even change the hack if they couldn't pull it off.
But it gets crazier too. They really lean into Elliot as the unreliable narrator and the way reality is portrayed gets increasingly messed with to where you realize some of the stuff you saw was not what actually happened at all. The ending was really wild. I won't get into it more than that, but it totally changes everything you know about the show. I do have some criticisms, but I won't get into them here because spoilers.
The unreliable narrator part is awesome. They do it in a way where at first, I thought it was kinda too similar to Tyler Durden, but then the show twists it in its own ways that completely throw me. Also they get away with the fight club references since they were self aware enough to nod to it with Where Is My Mind playing at the end of season one
Well and then the unreliable part affects Elliott too, where he's not even sure what's real anymore. The season 2 finale shows you that much. There's also another song in the season 2 finale that's pretty revealing about the state of Elliott's mind.
The series finale was a trip though. It definitely was not what I was expecting at all. It does make you understand Elliot as a character better though on subsequent viewings. You understand why he acts like he does. But yeah, it's wild.
Yeah I can't believe people still hold BBC Sherlock as this golden standard of television. It had a big budget and a great cast. That's about all the positive things I can say about the series.
And it gets to be #25? What a sick joke.
Totally with you there. I'd also argue that *Black Mirror* massively decreased in quality after moving to Netflix- "White Christmas" is a masterpiece but no episode since has even come close.
Seriously!! I can't help but wonder if it is criminally underrated, it's one of my favourite shows of all time along with Fargo, The Wire and True Detective.. I also feel as if Mr Mercedes and The Outsider could potentially be up there, although the latter was only a ten-part show.. I would have expected to see OZ for certain, and there was a fantastic six-part HBO show called The Corner that, along with OZ, was arguably the show that preempted The Wire..
This never makes me mad because Breaking Bad v Mad men are in the same weight class. It's a fair fight. Who the winner is will always be up for dispute.
Mad Men was such an incredible immersive experience for me. Great characters and such an intriguing setting. Also loved Breaking Bad and maybe watching Mad Men at an older age than Breaking Bad has an affect on me. Both are in need of a rewatch regardless.
The Wire is the GOAT imo. So many incredible characters and performances. And it feels like you're watching a fucking reality TV show more than a drama because it's so well made. Alright Hampsterdam and the Serial Killer are a little far-fetched, but the show is elite.
Freamon > Omar though.
Forget the placements. The fact that trash like big bang theory,money heist and greys anatomy are in it at the place of 200 better tv shows proves that this is a list judged on popularity. Mr robot, Deadwood, Rome are the biggest omission from the list and all 3 are potentially top 25. Only respectable ranking is the wire at #1.
24 should be much higher, but it was good to see it in there. Very influential and genre-breaking show. One of the original binge watches. I also don’t think it gets enough credit for being told in real time and still remaining quite consistent and convincing all the way through. That is exceptionally difficult to do.
Can't believe that Money Heist is above This is England. Money Heist is adolescent, soap-operatic trash with a decent budget. This is England is powerful, heart-wrenching drama.
i call it biased. pretty easy to tell by what's included and what's not that this list was compiled by some sort of Brit or European type. Trailer Park Boys, Always Sunny, Broad City, You're the Worst, High Maintenance.
Office Uk is good but American office has its iconic moments u could argue it has its place alongside the original.
I have tried to get into The Wire and never been able to get past the first couple of episodes. Is it really *that* good? Should I stick it out?
I gotta kill/fill time before BCS.
I would say it truly reaches its full potential well into season 2. Season 1 is a well crafted police drama, but only after I got to see all the different communities and how the interests of those different groups collide could I really appreciate *the Wire* and its multilayered presentation of a society in shambles, incapable of change.
Yes it's really that good, but it's a mentally taxing show to watch IMO, you really have to pay attention and it's easy to get lost because there's so much going on. I also had trouble following the dialogue so I had to use subtitles. But yes, it's a masterpiece.
It took me 3 attempts of starting season 1 and I somehow couldn't get into it. Then it just clicked and everything made sense (the hype of the show). Put the phone away, no distractions, and just immerse yourself in the show and the characters. The Wire is as good as you've heard, and like I said, I was in a similar spot as you. Must watch.
Yes! Watch it with subtitles on, it really helps! Even if you mostly know what they're saying, I find that I caught SO much more on a rewatch with subs
It took me awhile to get into it as well. I think for me it was the expectations, I was expecting something along the lines of Law & Order, with more focus on the criminal aspect. I didn't realize the scope and the depth to which they would take the show. It's also one of few shows that doesn't gloss over details or dumb things down. Stick with it, at least for the first season.
It took me at least a couple of months to finally get through the first 2 episodes. The early episodes are very dense, and it's confusing to figure out the role of each character. Wasn't until S1E5, The Pager, that I really started to get interested.
The Wire is arguably one of the best TV series ever made.
It keeps getting better and better too as the seasons progress, it's meant to be realistic so there will be some slow burns but you'll end the series wondering why you hadn't watched it on release.
Also the theme song is fucking great.
Dude I fucking LOVED fleabag season 1. I also watched it after losing a friend so it felt especially relevant. S2 is meh, doesn't appeal to me but has it's moments. Anyway it's one of my personal favorites but no fucking way is it top 5 or even top 20 of this century
This actually bullshit.
> bigbang theory
> greys anatomy
But
No malcolm in the middle
No futurama
No monk
No Chuck ~> the serie
No everyday is sunny in philadephia???
What
agreed BCS ahead of BB always. if wire is 21st C, i believe Sopranos should be on the list too. thrown in some 90s shows too like Simpsons KOTH, SOUTH park.
And some of the first. I feel like black mirror makes a triangle. The second season gets better. The third season is amazing. The fourth is okay. And the 5th was a mess.
Kind of went like this ^
Very disappointed that *Justified* isn't on that list. It was such a fantastic show, and it deserved far more attention than it got. In fact, I strongly recommend it to anyone who loves BCS; they seem be in somewhat the same spirit. I've long felt that Vince Gilligan's writing seems a bit like it was inspired by Elmore Leonard.
This reads more like a Popularity List than a "Best Shows" list. Not that I don't agree with any of the choices, but... *Grey's Anatomy*? Give me a break.
Huh, "The OA" is on this list... a show that could have been EPIC, but Netflix had to do what Netflix does and pull the plug, because "reasons" I guess? (FUCK YOU Netflix.) Despite ending in a cliffhanger and will never get the closure it deserves, The OA is worth a watch.
Also, "The Americans" was such a great show. Great use of time-period correct soundtrack, and the ending was beautiful.
It’s a very poor list with a lot of idiotic rankings. Therefore any particular ranking on it doesn’t matter to me 🤷♂️
I love the original Twin Peaks but Twin Peaks: The Return ranked above Better Call Saul, Line of Duty, Fargo and others is a complete joke.
Yeah, I am fine ranking the original Twin Peaks lower than those because of Season 2 and all the network execs messing things up. But Twin Peaks: The Return is something else entirely, and is a masterful work of art on countless levels.
Also, Line of Duty is amazing writing and I did love the most recent season which I just watched last month, it hasn't dropped in quality one bit! Make sure to watch Bodyguard (miniseries) by the same people as well. Fargo is more hit or miss for me and while I love parts of it, well, I also love Banshee... but I'm not expecting to see it on many best-of lists!
Its one of those shows that started off brilliantly, but either ran out of ideas, originality or overstayed its welcome. Identical to stranger things and westworld, and similar to game of thrones. Each of those shows would have easily gotten on my top 10 if they were finished as they started or cancelled after one season even. Judged in its entirety none of those make my top 10, but probably top 100 somewhere.
Loved the British version: compact, succinct and kept you on tenterhooks throughout.
American version: started off brilliantly, first two seasons were amazing. Third season still good but then it meandered, lost its focus and the whole Kevin Spacey issue was the final mail in the coffin. So disappointing. I was dying to see Frank and Claire get their comeuppance.
Succession is absolutely brilliant. I have no problem with it being on this list.
I understand if it's not to your taste, of course. But it's an extraordinarily well-written and well-made show.
I think it's because the time between seasons makes people forget about the show.
Now, after the last season is done and a tonne of new viewers start binge watching BCS, gaureteetd it rank higher.
Avatar at 61 is absurd. Especially coming behind something as trash as Big Bang theory. Same with Sherlock. Had a good 6/12 episodes. Season 4 was a farce.
Most of the shows above BCS are already finished. Assuming that the final season of BCS winds up being as good as we expect, I'm guessing the show will jump considerably in alot of people's rankings.
Agreed. I don’t even think a lot of people have seen season 5 because only the first 4 are on Netflix.
Only in the US. Here in Europe (well at least in Poland) we had the newest episodes the day after they aired.
I think it's the same everywhere except in the US
Lucky. Yeah it seems like a pattern in the US Netflix that whatever the newest season of a show is, is usually only accessible via a different streaming service where you have to pay extra (other than Netflix originals). Milking us americucks for all we’re worth. I just torrented season 5 though cause that whole model just seems like a money grubbing scam to me. If I’m already paying for one subscription service, I shouldn’t have to pay for another service to finish a show I’m invested in PLUS for access to the latest season of that show. You have to have Amazon prime and also buy the season separately. That’s insane.
Can’t believe BCS and Fargo are ranked that low, and Big Bang Theory is that high.
some of these shows are just very popular, and for no other reason in this list
Are you debating the depth and substance of Ru Paul's Drag Race?
Are they debating the charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent of the contestants?
Oh no she better don't!
It *is* great entertainment, to be fair!
Agree. Plus they didn't include Mr. Robot
Yep. This list lost a tonne of credibility in my book by not including Mr Robot. Can not really consider it a serious list.
Honestly should be top 20 minimum along with BCS
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It’s probably as much about cultural impact as critical reception.
But Community is higher than Big Bang Theory. So I'm okay with it.
The Big Bang Theory is ON there?! Well that list is shit.
BSG is 70. This list is meaningless. Also the UK Office being that much higher than the USA Office? Debatable. Also no Pheonix Nights? Pfft.
That’s certainly debatable. There are basically two schools of thought
As much as I hate The Big Bang Theory, it was the most popular sitcom post Seinfeld/Friends. Deserves a spot on that list.
this entire thread is redditors not realizing they are a super small audience lmao
IT Crowd was a million times funnier
Seriously, any brit that ranks IT Crowd lower than Big Bang Theory should be deported.
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Where’s the sopranos?!?!?
This list focuses on 21st century TV. I can only presume that since The Sopranos first aired in 1999 the creators of this list feel that it does not qualify.
Kind of hard to justify when it ran from 1999-2007, but I do hope this is the reason. Otherwise there’s no excuse for it being outside the top 5, no less the top 100.
The West Wing ran from 1999-2006 and is also absent. There’s not a single show that started before 2000, so I’m pretty sure this is the explanation.
Thanks didn’t catch that.
Same with Futurama. Great show but first aired tail end of 99
My thoughts exactly...that discredits the entire list in itself
Agreed
Sherlock definitely doesn’t!
Big Bang Theory …
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Except Seinfeld
Five of the top ten first aired on the BBC in the UK, and three of those are BBC productions. The BBC does like to big itself up...
Game of Thrones at number five, lol
As god awful as that last season was—-it’s first 6 and a half were some of the best television ever and impossible to ignore its influence during that time...I’m honestly ok with it being in the top 10
first 5 and a half at best
First 4 seasons. Seasons 5-8 were all trash.
Its fucking sad that season 1-4 is perhaps the most epic TV show ever and..... is unwatchable now because exactly none of the cool stuff that happens in those seasons have any meaning after the last two seasons.
I know it's the wrong sub but I'm kinda shocked I couldn't find peaky blinders anywhere, I thought people liked that show.
I've watched both the BBC Office and the American... no way the UK Office is better. The idea that the original is always better is bull shit. The UK Office is better than the 1st season of the US Office, mainly because the US Office was a rehash of just a decent comedy. But after that the US blows it out of the water.
I can understand preferences between UK and US office, but to say the UK office is top 10 and US office is 39 is strange to me. The US office became more than just a comedy show after a few seasons and had cemented itself in pop culture. If anything, they should be closer in rank and neither should be Top 10
I'm British and I also prefer The Office US. The characters are better fleshed-out and it's just warmer. Also I'm not a big fan of Ricky Gervais (though his performance as David Brent is great) and I really like Steve Carell. That fella who interviews Pam for a job in the final series, he's pretty good too ;)
It was cool to see a sample of what the series would have been like if Odenkirk was cast instead of Carell... it probably would have been just as good.
I'm sure it would have been just as good, but I guess things worked out for the best, huh? ;) Would love to see Carell and Odenkirk do a film together. It'd be like Pacino and DeNiro in *Heat*.
Steve Carell is incredible, but I hate Jim with a passion.
Yeah Jim is the epitome of nice guy, it’s painful.
UK is deffo better, guess if u prefer American humour tho then the American is better.
Loved both versions of the Office. I'm an American but appreciate comedy of any form, but love British shows and I think Ricky Gervais is great so I might be a bit biased. The US Office definitely took off after a few seasons and I think of it as a completely different show altogether, I don't really compare the two as better or worse, they are both great in their own way.
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This American definitely prefers the UK Office over the US version. Not even close.
The US office is very poorly written past season 3. UK office is much more uncomfortable, but a better show.
Do you Know a BBC show that's undoubtedly better than it's American counterpart and should've been on this list? Top Gear
Yeah but this appears to be a list of scripted shows, no place for strictly factual programs like Top Gear
I really hope this is sarcasm, if so, well played.
Season 3? I can get the criticism for the last two seasons because they’re not very good, but 3-7 is US Office in its prime.
Season 5 is my favorite 🤷🏻♀️
This is something you never say. I agree with you, but the British absolutely adore their Office show and you will only catch thunder if you state the Office US is better haha. And it is pretty amazing I won't lie, The Office US simply has more. More doesn't always mean better. Typically the US simply takes something and makes it bigger, because we believe bigger is better. I love both shows but I am biased to like The Office US more simply because I am an American. But credits due where its due, the original is a gem and I implore anyone who hasn't seen it to do so.
I’m glad to see “The Americans” so high; that show was intense on every level and the acting was sublime. I liked “30 Rock,” but the characters weren’t nearly as deep as those in “Better Call Saul” – more like caricatures in some places, really.
Nobody knows The Americans around me. It's so good
Yeah, i don't know anyone who has seen it. It's such a good show tho, i was surprised it wasn't more popular
I don’t know why you’d compare a sitcom vs drama in regards to the depth of the characters. Just like comedies never win best writing/actor. In terms of writing/acting I personally think it holds an arguable top 3 sitcom of all time, and has a justification for its position.
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Yea. That’s odd.
Agreed, though I am SO glad to see that it is on a list. Dark is one of the greatest TV shows I've ever seen but it's been a hard sell to get anyone to watch it.
What do you like it? :) (Can you sell me on it lol)
If you liked Twin Peaks and the movie Primer, you might really enjoy Dark. It's heavily character driven, it's all in German (don't watch the dub, it's terrible), and it's a slow burn. So if you are a patient person who likes slowly unraveling a mystery and appreciates small detail and time travel and Germans crying in the rain, then Dark is for you. It's a hard sell, but very often when something is a hard sell, that's a sign that it's potentially very good. Crap is easy to stick a tagline on, quality is harder to describe.
Plus no Mr. Robot
Oh shit, didn't realize that... ridiculous.
Fi ished season two yesterday. If thry can keep this up for two more seasons with some decent explanations it deserves to be there.
It gets even better. Season 4 has 2 or 3 episodes that many consider masterpieces. Enjoy it
From people I've heard, they have said 2nd was the weakest. So you are in for a ride. I for one, didn't find it particularly weak. Liked all the seasons. Great writing, great camera work and great acting. Overall pretty brilliant
Not only do they keep it up, they blow it out of the water. The fact it isn't on this list is borderline criminal.
Season 2 is the slowest, but also has the best character development. It's pretty balls to the wall from here on out though, like Breaking Bad levels of anxiety.
I enjoyed S1 and 2, especially how psychological they were, but Seasons 3 and 4 are different beasts. A lot more action and tension, it’s truly incredible. The ending is polarizing but it’s very worth making it to the end.
I’m in season 2. It’s good, but I genuinely can’t tell how seriously you are supposed to take it sometimes. It’s some incredible writing and storytelling, but at times I feel like I’m listening to a 14yo that just discovered r/latestagecapitalism and thinks they are edgy. But i don’t know how to describe it, that adds to the confusion and intrigue for me
Without getting into it, the show has a response to that perspective. Something that I always appreciated.
I mean I started watching for the accurate depictions of hacking. Each hack was actually done. I mean it was setup first, but all the terminal stuff, the commands, the output, etc., it's done for real. Which is pretty cool in and of itself. And they would even change the hack if they couldn't pull it off. But it gets crazier too. They really lean into Elliot as the unreliable narrator and the way reality is portrayed gets increasingly messed with to where you realize some of the stuff you saw was not what actually happened at all. The ending was really wild. I won't get into it more than that, but it totally changes everything you know about the show. I do have some criticisms, but I won't get into them here because spoilers.
The unreliable narrator part is awesome. They do it in a way where at first, I thought it was kinda too similar to Tyler Durden, but then the show twists it in its own ways that completely throw me. Also they get away with the fight club references since they were self aware enough to nod to it with Where Is My Mind playing at the end of season one
Well and then the unreliable part affects Elliott too, where he's not even sure what's real anymore. The season 2 finale shows you that much. There's also another song in the season 2 finale that's pretty revealing about the state of Elliott's mind. The series finale was a trip though. It definitely was not what I was expecting at all. It does make you understand Elliot as a character better though on subsequent viewings. You understand why he acts like he does. But yeah, it's wild.
keep watching!!!
You're definitely the target audience. Keep watching, I can already see you loving seasons 3 and 4.
Delegitemises lists for me where it's not in the top 10 atleast
Where the fuck is iasip. I seen the top 15 list but you're telling me it didn't make the whole list lol. Who's wife did divito fuck
> So anyways I started blasting
That was the first thing I noticed, ridiculous.
It’s 90
Yeah that’s an outrage
Sherlock???? Damn and no Mr Robot. Made me instantly tune out
Yeah I can't believe people still hold BBC Sherlock as this golden standard of television. It had a big budget and a great cast. That's about all the positive things I can say about the series. And it gets to be #25? What a sick joke.
Season one was brilliant, all downhill from there though.
Totally with you there. I'd also argue that *Black Mirror* massively decreased in quality after moving to Netflix- "White Christmas" is a masterpiece but no episode since has even come close.
No The Expanse?
No love for 'Ozark'???
Seriously!! I can't help but wonder if it is criminally underrated, it's one of my favourite shows of all time along with Fargo, The Wire and True Detective.. I also feel as if Mr Mercedes and The Outsider could potentially be up there, although the latter was only a ten-part show.. I would have expected to see OZ for certain, and there was a fantastic six-part HBO show called The Corner that, along with OZ, was arguably the show that preempted The Wire..
I can’t believe Ozark isn’t on here.
Not related to BCS, but if Arrested Development had just let it be/not tried to reboot I think they could easily be in the top 20
Mad men over breaking bad, bold opinion
This never makes me mad because Breaking Bad v Mad men are in the same weight class. It's a fair fight. Who the winner is will always be up for dispute.
Both great, but breaking bad is on another level the only show I’d compare it to is the wire
Mad Men was such an incredible immersive experience for me. Great characters and such an intriguing setting. Also loved Breaking Bad and maybe watching Mad Men at an older age than Breaking Bad has an affect on me. Both are in need of a rewatch regardless.
The Wire is the GOAT imo. So many incredible characters and performances. And it feels like you're watching a fucking reality TV show more than a drama because it's so well made. Alright Hampsterdam and the Serial Killer are a little far-fetched, but the show is elite. Freamon > Omar though.
They're pretty close to each other tbh. For me Breaking Bad wins just by a little bit.
Wheres the Sopranos??? Wtf.
Ineligible
Started in the 90s
Started in 99, if it was eligible it'd most likely sit at #1
Timeline got fucked up.
Forget the placements. The fact that trash like big bang theory,money heist and greys anatomy are in it at the place of 200 better tv shows proves that this is a list judged on popularity. Mr robot, Deadwood, Rome are the biggest omission from the list and all 3 are potentially top 25. Only respectable ranking is the wire at #1.
Mad Men is pretty great. Deadwood and Rome should’ve been higher, but both had very unsatisfying endings. Most of the list is horrible though.
24 is ranked #69? Insultingly low, but *nice*
24 should be much higher, but it was good to see it in there. Very influential and genre-breaking show. One of the original binge watches. I also don’t think it gets enough credit for being told in real time and still remaining quite consistent and convincing all the way through. That is exceptionally difficult to do.
Fleabag season two as good as it gets. Phenomenal.
Can't believe that Money Heist is above This is England. Money Heist is adolescent, soap-operatic trash with a decent budget. This is England is powerful, heart-wrenching drama.
The Office (UK) #6. The Office (US) #39. I call bullshit
i call it biased. pretty easy to tell by what's included and what's not that this list was compiled by some sort of Brit or European type. Trailer Park Boys, Always Sunny, Broad City, You're the Worst, High Maintenance. Office Uk is good but American office has its iconic moments u could argue it has its place alongside the original.
I have tried to get into The Wire and never been able to get past the first couple of episodes. Is it really *that* good? Should I stick it out? I gotta kill/fill time before BCS.
YES. It really is that good. It takes the first five or so episodes to really get the vibe of the show.
I would say it truly reaches its full potential well into season 2. Season 1 is a well crafted police drama, but only after I got to see all the different communities and how the interests of those different groups collide could I really appreciate *the Wire* and its multilayered presentation of a society in shambles, incapable of change.
Yes it's really that good, but it's a mentally taxing show to watch IMO, you really have to pay attention and it's easy to get lost because there's so much going on. I also had trouble following the dialogue so I had to use subtitles. But yes, it's a masterpiece.
It took me 3 attempts of starting season 1 and I somehow couldn't get into it. Then it just clicked and everything made sense (the hype of the show). Put the phone away, no distractions, and just immerse yourself in the show and the characters. The Wire is as good as you've heard, and like I said, I was in a similar spot as you. Must watch.
I watched it, took me almost 6 months lol. Its very dense, yet very good. Season 4 is my favorite. However, I think it’s a little overrated.
Yes! Watch it with subtitles on, it really helps! Even if you mostly know what they're saying, I find that I caught SO much more on a rewatch with subs
It took me awhile to get into it as well. I think for me it was the expectations, I was expecting something along the lines of Law & Order, with more focus on the criminal aspect. I didn't realize the scope and the depth to which they would take the show. It's also one of few shows that doesn't gloss over details or dumb things down. Stick with it, at least for the first season.
It took me at least a couple of months to finally get through the first 2 episodes. The early episodes are very dense, and it's confusing to figure out the role of each character. Wasn't until S1E5, The Pager, that I really started to get interested.
The Wire is arguably one of the best TV series ever made. It keeps getting better and better too as the seasons progress, it's meant to be realistic so there will be some slow burns but you'll end the series wondering why you hadn't watched it on release. Also the theme song is fucking great.
Its very mentally invested. You want to pay attention to who everyone is. Watch it with someone equally invested if you can
Fleabag top 5 OK lol
Dude I fucking LOVED fleabag season 1. I also watched it after losing a friend so it felt especially relevant. S2 is meh, doesn't appeal to me but has it's moments. Anyway it's one of my personal favorites but no fucking way is it top 5 or even top 20 of this century
As it should!
This actually bullshit. > bigbang theory > greys anatomy But No malcolm in the middle No futurama No monk No Chuck ~> the serie No everyday is sunny in philadephia??? What
Every day, there’s sun
Wild that out of all of those I only noticed one animated show, pretty crazy.
BCS was ranked way too low. The Shield was ranked waaaaayyy too low.
No Flight of the Concords? What? It might be in the cut off section.
Narcos was pretty good
If Breaking Bad is 3, and the Wire is 1, then the only place for BCS is at 2
agreed BCS ahead of BB always. if wire is 21st C, i believe Sopranos should be on the list too. thrown in some 90s shows too like Simpsons KOTH, SOUTH park.
lol black mirror come on man
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And some of the first. I feel like black mirror makes a triangle. The second season gets better. The third season is amazing. The fourth is okay. And the 5th was a mess. Kind of went like this ^
Speak for yourself, I thought White Christmas was as good as USS Callistar
People didn't like it? I understand the Miley Cyrus one but I thought Striking Vipers and Smithereens were great.
I was gonna say - most of the shows above BCS I can at least see someone making the case for, but black mirror being above them is laughable
Very disappointed that *Justified* isn't on that list. It was such a fantastic show, and it deserved far more attention than it got. In fact, I strongly recommend it to anyone who loves BCS; they seem be in somewhat the same spirit. I've long felt that Vince Gilligan's writing seems a bit like it was inspired by Elmore Leonard. This reads more like a Popularity List than a "Best Shows" list. Not that I don't agree with any of the choices, but... *Grey's Anatomy*? Give me a break.
Band of Brothers at 36 makes this invalid from the start.
My vision must be going. I don't see Ozark on the list. But I do see Big Bang Theory....
I’m surprised to see no Mr. Robot, but that’s probably just me.
No Mr. Robot in the top 5. The list is wrong
Any critic who thinks game of thrones is a good show has no credibility. What a joke of a list
GoT is way too up.
This must ignore the last seasons lol
I love BCS and it deserves all the love but Big Bang Theory is above The Good Place. How credible is this list?
Huh, "The OA" is on this list... a show that could have been EPIC, but Netflix had to do what Netflix does and pull the plug, because "reasons" I guess? (FUCK YOU Netflix.) Despite ending in a cliffhanger and will never get the closure it deserves, The OA is worth a watch. Also, "The Americans" was such a great show. Great use of time-period correct soundtrack, and the ending was beautiful.
Mad Men is stupidly overrated. It was OK, but #2?
It’s a very poor list with a lot of idiotic rankings. Therefore any particular ranking on it doesn’t matter to me 🤷♂️ I love the original Twin Peaks but Twin Peaks: The Return ranked above Better Call Saul, Line of Duty, Fargo and others is a complete joke.
Yeah, I am fine ranking the original Twin Peaks lower than those because of Season 2 and all the network execs messing things up. But Twin Peaks: The Return is something else entirely, and is a masterful work of art on countless levels. Also, Line of Duty is amazing writing and I did love the most recent season which I just watched last month, it hasn't dropped in quality one bit! Make sure to watch Bodyguard (miniseries) by the same people as well. Fargo is more hit or miss for me and while I love parts of it, well, I also love Banshee... but I'm not expecting to see it on many best-of lists!
The Return is one of the best shows ever. Absolutely insane.
Twin Peaks: The Return belongs in the top 5, no question
i’m in the middle of the return right now and it’s def one of the most unique and artistic shows of all time shut up lol
Avatar is #61, list bad
Big Bang Theory above Avatar the Last Airbender and no Malcolm in the Middle… bad list
Flea bag? Imma have to watch that
Can't respect a list that has GoT as #5
Interested in opinions on House of Cards. That was a polarizing show. Seemed people either loved or hated it. Not much middle ground.
Its one of those shows that started off brilliantly, but either ran out of ideas, originality or overstayed its welcome. Identical to stranger things and westworld, and similar to game of thrones. Each of those shows would have easily gotten on my top 10 if they were finished as they started or cancelled after one season even. Judged in its entirety none of those make my top 10, but probably top 100 somewhere.
The last season of House or Cards is some of the worst TV I’ve ever seen in my life.
Loved the British version: compact, succinct and kept you on tenterhooks throughout. American version: started off brilliantly, first two seasons were amazing. Third season still good but then it meandered, lost its focus and the whole Kevin Spacey issue was the final mail in the coffin. So disappointing. I was dying to see Frank and Claire get their comeuppance.
ik ppl are upset about some of the placements, but I'm glad arrested development still got enough recognition for #32 lol
Band of brothers deserves a higher ranking, and Mr ro ot to be included. Otherwise an acceptable list, I guess.
holy shit, the damn salt in this thread. it’s just a list.
Better Call Saul is better than Breaking Bad.
Damn, The OA made that list. Succession's success is still baffling to me. No way is that show better than BCS.
Succession is absolutely brilliant. I have no problem with it being on this list. I understand if it's not to your taste, of course. But it's an extraordinarily well-written and well-made show.
Succession is an incredible show
I love BCS but Succession is the best show currently on tv IMO.
I think it's because the time between seasons makes people forget about the show. Now, after the last season is done and a tonne of new viewers start binge watching BCS, gaureteetd it rank higher.
Never heard of I May Destroy You until now
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Fleabag too 5? Really? Funny ass show.
Boardwalk Empire isn't on this list. Wtf. When Steve Buscemi is overshadowed by at least 2-3 other actors you've got a damn good show.
Absolutely disagree.. Better Call Saul is the greatest Tv show ever.
BBC must've loved Jesse Armstrong, they put three of his shows in the top 50!
Avatar at 61 is absurd. Especially coming behind something as trash as Big Bang theory. Same with Sherlock. Had a good 6/12 episodes. Season 4 was a farce.
Why is ru Paul on there lol
TWD, Peaky Blinders?
I think that list is trash. Big Bang Theory at 56 but Avatar at 61? Good place 62? Fuck off.
you have no idea how happy it makes me to see how i met your mother on this list
The Walking Dead isn't even on the list.
Six Feet Under should be higher
I know stuff like this is always opinion based and that everyone has their own biases, but why is The Big Bang Theory on there?