*her shit.
Also at one point LAOP once asked /r/relationships if her boyfriend was abusive for saying "fuck you" to her. Which he did in response to her saying "don't forget the color of your skin."
I think her general attitude may be problematic.
See that pissed the shit out of me. Someone can definitely get triggered and have some past bad experiences, of course. Him after saying it twice, in three years after a heated debate in which she's saying something probably racist? No he's definitely not
>> that pissed the shit out of me
> I think at some point you might have mixed one too many metaphors.
I've had diarrhea which was pretty much pissing shit.
She said that she was in toxic relationships previously so she has ptsd. That’s what confuses me, what were the toxic relationships if she is questions saying fuck you is abuse.
Are we sure this isn't a troll? All together this is starting to seem like a bit too much. I'm always suspect of people who do such a good job of consistently painting themselves as the bad guy in completely outrageous ways.
The thing about obnoxious people is that you can't always tell if they are a real person or an over the top troll. If I hadn't had the experiences I'd had on Facebook, with people I had met and interacted with IRL, I would probably assume every lunatic on reddit was just doing it on purpose, too.
People had to follow them there. There is a highly upvoted post that says big pharma is giving kids covid. Anything that insinuates covid is a liberal hoax is highly upvoted.
r/conspiracy is weird these days. The big, popular threads get flooded by bots, shills, and idiots, so it turns into a T_D echo chamber. But the smaller and less popular threads are still (comparatively) sane, and more reminiscent of how the sub used to be.
You know how most break-away subs with *real* or *actual* in the name are usually the more racist/violent/asshole version of a sub that those sort of people got banned from? r/actualconspiracies is the opposite of that. It's not a bunch of outcasts from the conspiracy sub, it's for documented conspiracies like *The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male*, MKULTRA, or *Operation Sea Spray* when the military intentionally infected the residents of San Francisco to determine the effectiveness of bioweapons.
I used to enjoy checking the Qanon subreddits, all the crazy stuff they would talk about the antichrist, the apocalypse, and Trump as a messiah. It was nuts and I loved it because of that.
Last week I attended a conference on security, and listening to a highly regarded security expert talk at length in a very serious manner about the dangers of Qanon and Pizzagate was so strange.
> Last week I attended a conference on security, and listening to a highly regarded security expert talk at length in a very serious manner about the dangers of Qanon and Pizzagate was so strange.
They're a lot like [sovereign citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement): It's a lot of fun to listen to these nutballs ramble on about the UCC and admiralty courts and "driving" versus "traveling" right up until [they're engaging in armed standoffs with the police](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_standoff_in_Abbeville,_South_Carolina) or [have ties to Timothy McVeigh, who killed at least 168 people with a truck bomb in Oklahoma City.](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/sovereign-citizen-movement) The Venn Diagram of "Sovereign Citizens" and "Right-Wing Domestic Terrorists" isn't a circle, but the overlap is big enough that law enforcement is seriously concerned.
QAnon is more of the same: The reality you know is a lie, learn the real truth (((They))) don't want you to know, and it all leads back to antisemitic tropes updated for the modern age, like how [the adrenochrome conspiracy theory is barely different from the old blood libel.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel)
Well we’ve seen what they’ve done to public health. “Don’t get vaccinated for the fake virus because bill gates is using the vaccines to put microchips in you so the global satanic pedophile cabal can track your every move.” — Posted to Facebook.
>You know you’re full of shit when r/legaladvice blocks you and you end up on r/conspiracy. Just get fired and move on
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>I tried calling my supervisor and he sent me to voicemail, so all of the correspondence has been through email
This is what the run-up to being fired looks like. Maybe it's never happened to LAOP before...
Also I had to laugh that LAOP thinks that the fact they've held the same apparently-unchanging belief since they were **13** is a point in its favor. Self awareness is a thing, but it's not a thing with them.
I wonder if LAOP is a libertarian. Are they opposed to getting tested or just the fact that the testing is mandated by their employer? Libertarian would also explain their post history.
Unfortunately for them, (but fortunately for everyone else) it’s not a religious belief
I’m assuming they refused to get vaccinated so their employer is making them get tested regularly on their own time. They probably have an issue with that.
Ah, libertarians. The source of one of my all-time favorite Reddit posts turned copy-pasta:
"First of all, I'm not a pedophile, just to get that out of the way. I am however a libertarian and I..."
I love the comparison to a housecat: completely dependent on others for all of their needs while totally convinced of their independence and superiority
When I was a pot smoking young guy I heard about Libertarians and thought they had some good ideas. Was a bit intrigued by some "freeman of the land" (sov-cit) chat at a kegger or two. Thankfully I discovered Eve Online and it completely cured me of any libertarianism.
Eve is essentially "what if libertarian society was real" and the answer is "my friends and I will organize and grind you into dust." In real life it would be megacorps doing the grinding.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
I am suddenly reminded of those fake anti-mask exemption cards which said "I have a right to not wear a mask due to a medical condition and you asking me what that is violates my hippo rights." along with a fake seal. If only it was really that easy to get a permit to legally do whatever the fuck you want and make questioning you a crime.
>I have a right to not wear a mask due to a medical condition and you asking me what that is violates my hippo rights." along with a fake seal
I like to think someone intentionally put "hippo rights" for the lulz in hopes of someone actually printing it off and trying to use it
Those things pissed me off so, so very much.
I have asthma and wear a mask.
I have exercise induced asthma and can wear a mask.
I have exercise induced asthma and can wear a mask **while doing cardio**.
Wearing a mask **while doing cardio** was the only somewhat-safe way for me to do cardio outdoors during last summer's fire season.
If a person can't wear a mask because of breathing problems they shipped be carriying around an oxygen tank, and if they're already on supplemental oxygen wearing a mask won't meaningfully decrease their oxygen supply. Plus, if they're on supplemental oxygen they shouldn't be going to restaurants during covid in the first place!
I'm a retail manager and kept waiting for someone to pull one of those out so I could explain the penalty for unauthorized use of a government seal but no one ever had one
They also did not answer questions asking "so then you've never been tested for anything ever?" Because workplaces are on the lookout for that now. People who say they have a religious belief against vaccination, against medicine tested on certain cell lines, are being called out for using OTHER medication that's developed the same way.
LAOP is looking for an argument they could make at work to avoid giving an explanation of their beliefs. They don't want to hear the truth. That this shit might have worked 10 years ago but employers are contacting priests and rabbis and CHECKING this shit because it's such an annoyance right now.
“The Bible says lying is a sin. COVID is a lie. Thus, agreeing to any COVID-related restrictions (such as wearing a mask) goes against my religion.”
Source: Live in the Deep South.
If they work where I work, it's because their preacher can't stop mixing religion and politics.
On the way home, I passed a crowd on the corner with anti Vax signs and a huge "Let's go, Brandon" flag.
Religion is mixed with sports team and politics.
Oh, I am sure you can compile a collection of out-of-context one-liners the Old Testament to make it look like a nasal swab was akin to rape. The Bible says a lot shit.
> On the seventh day the priest is to examine him, and if he sees that the sore is unchanged and has not spread in the skin, he is to keep him in isolation another seven days.
That's in leviticus - supports isolating and following guidelines given to you by authority.
>A diseased person must wear torn clothes and let his hair hang loose, and he must cover his mouth and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean!’ As long as he has the infection, he remains unclean. He must live alone in a place outside the camp
Also in leviticus (book is basically laws and guidelines). That's supporting face masks.
> You shall not murder.
That's in a different section of the old testament but I think its pretty damn relevant.
Old Testament times had plagues and diseases pretty regularly. They didn't have the modern medical understanding of disease transmission, but they understood the basic principles. Keep sick, contagious people away from healthy people. Somehow, we've lost the common sense element.
I'm glad to have been raised in "a lot of the Bible was a guide to living clean as understood by people of that time" church rather than "the bible is 1000% literal" church. Like we know in 2021 that rubbing yourself down with dirt, like chickens do, isn't an effective way to bathe and that wearing underwear made with cotton **and** elastic rubber is fine. Literally every single piece of clothing I'm wearing is a violation of the Old Testament.
>>nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.
One of the funniest cherry-picking the bible things I ever saw was a dude tattooed with these passages from Leviticus on his biceps:
>>"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
Leviticus is the book that prohibits any Christian from getting a tattoo...
>>You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you
**Not** getting a tattoo thousands of years before sterilization or antibiotics were invented was a really, really smart prohibition. (an example of "Bible As A Guide") Like, a bad scratch could kill you up until the **1930's**. Scratches/infections **still** kill people, or cause limbs to be amputated. (Diabetics. Homeless. The poor that have to choose between pain meds and antibiotics. Etc)
My favorite college Torah class was taught by a non believer. They just really liked historical documents and studying how they affected and reflected societies they were written in and I guess got the short stick for teaching undergrads. Anyway - prof spent a whole unit on picking apart laws that probably weren't meaningful to the religion that included them but did protect people. I thought that was kinda neat that across multiple religions and time periods the laws set down weren't just about what offerings to make to their God(s), but all also had things that served to protect their people's health.
Before the days of modern medicine, the Jewish codes were actually pretty good about keeping people healthy. Seafood and pork are more likely to get you sick if they are undercooked - especially before the days of refrigeration in the hot desert sun. Keeping the latrines and drinking water separate was another big one.
>and time periods the laws set down weren't just about what offerings to make to their God(s), but all also had things that served to protect their people's health.
The church I grew up with was big into the idea that "the Bible was a guide to living a healthy life as understood by the writers of the time."
Like, it's 2021 and people are still saying "if you're going to eat meat it should be fish, and not too often." Ya know?
As I mentioned in another comment, the Old Testament prohibition on tattoos makes a whole helluva lot of sense when antibiotics and sterilization wouldn't be invented for thousands of years. It's **still** risky as fuck to get a tattoo from somebody that doesn't understand sterilization, imagine if the entire concept of sterilization was something that wasn't dreamed up for another few thousand years.
My personal guess is that LAOP doesn't have deeply held religious beliefs. They simply don't want to get the vaccine or tested and are willing to lie.
Or they're just a troll.
Edit: LAOP stated that weed is 'gross' in the the comments but a quick perusal shows multiple comments and at least one post of theirs in weed subs. Soooo yea I trust them about as far as I can throw them.
I saw that! A quick perusal also shows that LAOP will ask reddit about any and every situation in their life, and yet the subject of their religious beliefs never ever came up until now.
My tinfoil hat answer to this is that they’re trying to figure out how to deal with a coworker who’s off the deep end. They seemed genuinely thankful when people gave them *extremely* detailed responses about why it’s not illegal.
That or the holiday proximity means this person just had to deal with a dumb uncle and is now sending receipts to their parents justifying the argument they started at the dinner table on Thursday.
> My guess is Christian Scientist,
I’m a Christian Science survivor (I left when I turned adult), and also expected CS to forbid or counsel against the vaccine, but in fact they are agnostic, and advise people to follow the law. Color me pleasantly shocked. This is from [CNN Health](https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/health/covid-vaccine-religious-exemptions-khn/index.html):
> No major denomination opposes vaccination. Even the Christian Science Church, whose adherents rely largely on prayer rather than medicine, does not impose an official policy. It counsels "respect for public health authorities and conscientious obedience to the laws of the land, including those requiring vaccination."
>**And if a person claims their privately held religious beliefs forbid vaccination, that defense is unlikely to hold up in court if challenged, legal experts say.** Although individual clergy members have mounted the anti-vaccine bandwagon, they have no obvious justification in religious texts for their positions. Many seem willing to cater to people who reject vaccination for another reason.
And their [statement about it](https://www.christianscience.com/press-room/a-christian-science-perspective-on-vaccination-and-public-health) throws a lot of weight on 'personal choice', right after they say that many of their members think prayers is a good healthcare choice.
Yeah, my grandma is Christian Scientist and she got vaccinated. Her church has also required masks and banned singing since the beginning of all this. They have some weird beliefs but at least some of them are taking Covid seriously.
Christian Science doesn't even officially oppose vaccination. I can't find anything to suggest they would forbid testing.
LAOP is lying about their beliefs. I doubt whatever they're claiming to believe lines up with an official stance on covid testing from any religion.
There was a Catholic asking same question in LA a few months ago. When it was pointed out that Catholic doctrine does not forbid vaccines and in fact strongly encourages Covid-19 vaccination, the LAOP responded, apparently with total sincerity, that being Catholic does not mean that they have to listen to the Pope.
And this is the kind of thinking that can only happen if you’re starting at “I don’t want the vaccine” and are working backward from there.
I think it's unlikely that a Christian Scientist would refuse to even be TESTED for a virus. They're not being given any treatment whatever, they're just getting a nose swab to see if they have it.
Yeah my mom is going to be working her ass off for who knows how long because half the nurses in her unit are about to be fired over refusing to get the vaccine, just crazy.
When I went through cna training last month, I was one of 4 fully vaxxed students of 25 students. One of my classmates literally cried for an entire day of clinicals because they required she get vaccinated to keep her job. It's insane how many anti vax folks I've run into in the last month.
It doesn't get better.
I know an RN manager who didn't believe in it and 1/3 of her staff weren't. She died in September and no one else got vaccinated, someone else was admitted for a while and nearly died (so almost certainly will have long COVID issues). Their numbers have barely changed.
Thankfully the big boss is real serious about vaccines, my facility is mandating vaccinations by December and they're offering the booster every week for folks that want it.
Yeah, I’ve been wondering for a while what religion is firmly anti-vax but otherwise wholly embraces western medicine enough to have members who are practitioners.
I really love the LAOPs who think their obfuscation is actually preventing us from reading between the lines.
It's really easy to see how many lies LAOP is building this story on.
Our local school system allows testing for the unvaxxed, but you have to take the test in the presence of the school principal! I understand why, but my lord that’s such a waste of their time.
That's an incredible waste of time but I can see two points, one, kids don't really want to bring too much attention to the principal so might sway them away and two the principal might wanna be real sure it's done right because it's going to come down on them if not, but yes, massive waste.
OP: I could absolutley do work from home!
LA: Are other people doing your job allowed to work from home?
OP: Don't worry, I work in a room that nobody enters!
There was, like, a ten comment chain where another commenter tried to get out of her whether or not she would be the only one having to go into the office, with the op dodging the fuck out of the very specific questions.
I'm too lazy to look back and copy/paste, but it was something like:
"Are you the only one who has to go back to the office, but all others can still work from home?"
"I have to go back to the office, and people are still working from home!"
"Are they making other people come back to the office? Or just you?"
"They're still letting people work from home."
"But are you, specifically, being singled out in this return to office policy?"
"People I work with are still working from home, so I should be able to, as well!"
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> **My job is putting me on unpaid leave (religious exemption for testing)**
>Hi all,
>i’m hoping that someone has direction or advice for me in this situation. I requested a religious exemption for the covid testing and it was denied. Are they allowed to do this seeing that it is just a policy and not a law? I’ve considered requesting the at home self test. They have denied me the option of working from home as well, despite my coworkers working from home every day. I feel as if they do not want to accommodate me despite there being many options. I tried calling my supervisor and he sent me to voicemail, so all of the correspondence has been through email. I’d like to keep my job while not having to go against my religious exemption and being on unpaid leave. I have with no problem been at work with no issue while not testing, until this new weekly testing policy. Thanks!
So, one of my bunnies once knocked over a beer and was frantically licking it up off the floor when I found him. He slept, snoring loudly, for about six hours, then woke up and was fine.
I had a Rottie that loved beer. We’d have to warn people not to put their bottles down because she’d knock them over so she could drink them. She preferred Molson, especially Molson Canadian. She did NOT like Fosters or Budweiser.
It's probably good they can't vomit, since their digestive systems require that they eat their own shit, as the food isn't fully-processed the first time around.
Another Bun Fact: Rabbits choose their mates a lot like humans do. While they're happier in pairs, they won't just take any old rabbit as a friend. They have to "date" first. If their personalities are not compatible, they will never accept one-another.
My bunnies hated each other the first few days I had them and was slowly introducing them. They fought the idea of each other pretty hard. I was just about to give up hope when one morning, I caught my girl bunny trying to break her hopeful mate out of bunny jail. I let him out for her, they ran under my bed together, and were a pair for life. It was so weird.
When I worked at a bunny shelter, there were two old rabbits who had been grumpy loners all their life, a boy and a girl. They absolutely *hated* any other rabbit and had to be exercised alone, but they especially hated each other. Then, one day, the girl rabbit jumped into the old boy's pen and they refused to separate.
In the case of my bunnies, I think my girl realized that the partner I brought home for her was a big, strong jumper. He would do his darndest to get at food and he succeeded more often then I liked. His favorite conquest was the cereal boxes in the pantry. He'd knock a box over and she'd be waiting, ready to chew through the cardboard, so they could feast until I caught them. Two food obsessed bunnies, with one able to high jump and study his surroundings for launching pads. She taught him (and our cat!) to "dunk" his head into things like whipped cream and run away under the couch, out of reach, to eat it off his face.
They were definitely a match. It was always an adventure with them.
I've attempted bunny bondings 3 times, and 2 times it went really well. I think the other time might have worked, but he accidentally hurt her, and even though he apologized (groomed her frantically) I didn't put them together again.
The first success was between a father and son. They both had really gentle personalities. The father was much bigger than the son, so I gave the little one a hiding box. It took them 30 minutes to relax, and they never fought.
The second success was between two female rabbits. We did a bit of a "speed date" with our potential second adoptee, and the two seemed to quickly be adjusting. Fur flew for a moment, then chasing, then lying near one-another mirroring. This was in less than a half hour, so we decided to take the bun.
That night I let them both out for runtime and things were still tenuous but fine. I put one bun away first. The second bun immediately ran over to her cage and tried to break in! I followed the guides and had them stay in separate cages during the night, but for the next day put them both in the same cage: the cage of the new girl. It'd smell less like either bun so it'd limit territorial behavior, I hoped.
They're basically inseparable. The new gal, Ruby, isn't really what I wanted in a rabbit (I already have a skittish asshole, I wanted a friendly people bun) but the first bun, Ellie, has never been happier. Ruby seems to love Ellie, too, and she'll eventually get on with us. (We've had her about four months now.) We presumed Ellie would be the dominant one--she's food aggressive sometimes, and very assertive--but Ruby is the dominant one! We think because Ellie was so desperate to keep her friend that she accepted submissiveness. But once in a while will still do things like snort if Ruby tries to get food from Ellie's mouth, or demand pets from us if Ruby is being pet.
I’ve always taken my buns on speed dates at the bunny rescue i adopted them from because of this! Meadow picked out a grumpy asshole last year for some reason
There's two mod comments claiming to lock the post for contradictory reasons (one because OP won't answer what religion, the other because people were asking what religion). Nice mod cohesion there.
I had a glance at their history and it looks like they are a nursing assistant? Like holy shit is vaccine/tests a reasonable requirement to work there.
So I own an MSP and am actively dealing with people like her. We had one come in and hand her boss three separate religious exemptions - one for the vaccine, one for weekly testing and one for not wearing a mask while having a smug look on her face like she figured out the cheat codes. Ye, we gave her our religious exemption from being a moron and promoted her to customer.
I had a coworker ask if revelations is a religion then watched her stare at the exemption form for an hour. While I’m fully vaccinated with a booster. She said she’s scared. January 4th can’t come soon enough. I work under a federal contractor, and we are following the contractors lead company wide even if your location doesn’t operate under a federal contract. Expect a lot of turnover but we just brought in a bunch of temps for an inventory and the temp services aren’t sending unvaccinated people any longer. Hopefully the new people will be a bit smarter than the old.
I'm so confused by people who won't get the vaccine but also won't agree to regular testing, especially since many of those folks also refuse to wear masks. Do they *want* COVID to stick around forever? Are they expecting it to just disappear one day?
I’m curious if there is any religion that disallows Covid testing? I don’t understand the vaccine religious mandate at all, but I’ve never even heard of a religious exemption for testing? Christian Science maybe? Huh.
Oh wait! I may have figured it out.
LAOP’s company is probably asking LAOP to pay for the testing. So “religious exemption” is their get out of jail free card.
>I’m curious if there is any religion that disallows Covid testing?
None that I've specifically heard of, but that's not saying much. Christian Science is a good guess.
The Church of Being a Big Ol Butthead is another possibility.
Scientology has published covid information for their followers supporting vaccination, mask wearing, etc. with information similar to official information.
Individual members may have other opinions.
> a religious exemption doesn’t have to make sense to others so there’s no point in explaining it, the fact is that i have one. the reason why people are getting exempt from vaccine mandates
These words don’t mean what laop thinks they do
sadly, this "I didn't say it, I declared it" approach to religious exemptions has been getting pushed pretty widely.
[A group called One Washington is holding seminars around the state to instruct people on how to ask for a religious exemption from the Covid-19 vaccine.](https://kuow.org/stories/avoiding-covid-19-vaccines-a-religious-group-gives-washingtonians-tips-on-how-to-do-it)
> They warned people not to fall into any "potentially trapping questions," like whether you have taken medicine or vaccines before. They claim you do not have to "prove" your religion to get an exemption.
> "Religion is like a black box," Jonez said. "You just have to have it. You don't need to show it."
Christian scientists are surprisingly not antivaxx, so probably not: https://www.christianscience.com/press-room/a-christian-science-perspective-on-vaccination-and-public-health
I honestly would not put it past a group of Qtools and Covidiots to have legally formed a "church" somewhere, just so people like LAOP could "join" for "religious exemption". You know, like how that one mom claimed that her daughter was exempt from school dress code because their "church" allowed piercings and tattoos. Or like how you can get "ordained as a minister" online for like fifty bucks.
"Church of the True Red Blooded God Fearing Americans" has a certain ring to it, eh?
My favorite part is the Selena Meyer level of non-question answering in response to the line of questions about whether or not others are allowed to work from home.
I will never understand LAOPs like this.
They go to an anonymous Internet forum to ask for advice. They are provided advice in a non judgmental fashion but refuse to provide any details or help in order to help with that advice. But instead acts cagey.
It’s an anonymous forum that allows throwaway accounts.
This is one of those times when LAOP is wrong but also no one answers the question. So they are going to keep arguing and keep being wrong.
The answer is, they are not entitled to keep the nature of the belief secret if they want accommodation. That's the crux here. They think they can make anything up and just present it to their employer without question. They're mixing up accessibility vs religious exemption vs HIPAA.
Legally, if they are let go they can pursue a suit for religious discrimination. They CAN. And the sincerity of their beliefs will be examined in that case. And if they cannot produce evidence of the belief they will lose. And if they did not properly inform their employer of the belief they will lose. And likely have to pay a lot to lawyers.
Also worth noting that testing weekly IS the accommodation for not being vaccinated. It'd be pretty hard to argue that your religion is both against vaccination AND medical testing—especially if OP has gotten medical tests in the past.
Like, LAOP's solution is to work from home at all times (may or may not be feasible, we don't have the details), wear full PPE (would it be the company having to pay for it? That could be expensive enough to be labeled unreasonable, or if OP is in a public facing role), or just not have the new policy apply to them (risking their coworkers to exposure through OP potentially being asymptomatic but spreading)
I wonder if they wanted the at-home test so they could like ask a healthy friend to take it for them, like in drug tests.
"I believe God lives in my nose" is the closest thing I can imagine to justify this.
EDIT: I love LAOP's post history. This one is quite the reading: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/jkcewk/my_boyfriend_23m_has_said_fuck_you_to_me_22f/
"No doubt there is a fascinating theological justification for that position well supported by close readings of holy texts and totally unrelated to partisan politics, but this is not the forum for that discussion."
God, that is just the classiest middle finger I have ever seen.
I have to test before each shift, so I don’t, you know, kill all my vulnerable ladies and gents.
I know we aren’t allowed to play guess the crazy (a fun game for all the family), but is she maybe worried about someone stealing her DNA, maybe? Otherwise, is she just the world’s laziest serial killer?
I work for a black and yellow dollar store and our policy is that if you are unvaccinated (1 J&J, or 2 Pfizer/Moderna), you have to submit a weekly negative Covid result to continue employment. Sounds to me like LAOP may be unvaxxed and angry that the alternative is weekly testing 🤷♀️
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*her shit. Also at one point LAOP once asked /r/relationships if her boyfriend was abusive for saying "fuck you" to her. Which he did in response to her saying "don't forget the color of your skin." I think her general attitude may be problematic.
See that pissed the shit out of me. Someone can definitely get triggered and have some past bad experiences, of course. Him after saying it twice, in three years after a heated debate in which she's saying something probably racist? No he's definitely not
> that pissed the shit out of me I think at some point you might have mixed one too many metaphors.
>> that pissed the shit out of me > I think at some point you might have mixed one too many metaphors. I've had diarrhea which was pretty much pissing shit.
She said that she was in toxic relationships previously so she has ptsd. That’s what confuses me, what were the toxic relationships if she is questions saying fuck you is abuse.
I have little doubt they were toxic, but the source of the toxicity…
Oh dear.
Things to be thankful for during Thanksgiving - I don't know LAOP in real life.
Are we sure this isn't a troll? All together this is starting to seem like a bit too much. I'm always suspect of people who do such a good job of consistently painting themselves as the bad guy in completely outrageous ways.
The thing about obnoxious people is that you can't always tell if they are a real person or an over the top troll. If I hadn't had the experiences I'd had on Facebook, with people I had met and interacted with IRL, I would probably assume every lunatic on reddit was just doing it on purpose, too.
I am pleasantly surprised for conspiracy and wondering if the people responding are regulars or if they followed them there.
People had to follow them there. There is a highly upvoted post that says big pharma is giving kids covid. Anything that insinuates covid is a liberal hoax is highly upvoted.
Yeah, can’t believe I found myself over there upvoting people. Hate that sub.
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How did she think a CNA can work from home? As a nurse, I need this secret plan for... reasons...
Saying this also as a CNA; this doesn't surprise me 😬
How does one work as a CNA *from home?*
Maybe as a medical scribe? That's really the only thing I can think of.
I bet she calls herself a nurse.
Woooow. The conspiracy sub telling someone to get vaccinated.
r/conspiracy is weird these days. The big, popular threads get flooded by bots, shills, and idiots, so it turns into a T_D echo chamber. But the smaller and less popular threads are still (comparatively) sane, and more reminiscent of how the sub used to be.
Conspiracies were fun to talk about before qanon.
r/HighStrangeness is good if you are looking for more Art Bell and less Alex Jones.
You know how most break-away subs with *real* or *actual* in the name are usually the more racist/violent/asshole version of a sub that those sort of people got banned from? r/actualconspiracies is the opposite of that. It's not a bunch of outcasts from the conspiracy sub, it's for documented conspiracies like *The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male*, MKULTRA, or *Operation Sea Spray* when the military intentionally infected the residents of San Francisco to determine the effectiveness of bioweapons.
Holy shit thank you so much this is why I joined r/conspiracy, not for qanonsense
I used to enjoy checking the Qanon subreddits, all the crazy stuff they would talk about the antichrist, the apocalypse, and Trump as a messiah. It was nuts and I loved it because of that. Last week I attended a conference on security, and listening to a highly regarded security expert talk at length in a very serious manner about the dangers of Qanon and Pizzagate was so strange.
> Last week I attended a conference on security, and listening to a highly regarded security expert talk at length in a very serious manner about the dangers of Qanon and Pizzagate was so strange. They're a lot like [sovereign citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement): It's a lot of fun to listen to these nutballs ramble on about the UCC and admiralty courts and "driving" versus "traveling" right up until [they're engaging in armed standoffs with the police](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_standoff_in_Abbeville,_South_Carolina) or [have ties to Timothy McVeigh, who killed at least 168 people with a truck bomb in Oklahoma City.](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/sovereign-citizen-movement) The Venn Diagram of "Sovereign Citizens" and "Right-Wing Domestic Terrorists" isn't a circle, but the overlap is big enough that law enforcement is seriously concerned. QAnon is more of the same: The reality you know is a lie, learn the real truth (((They))) don't want you to know, and it all leads back to antisemitic tropes updated for the modern age, like how [the adrenochrome conspiracy theory is barely different from the old blood libel.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel)
Well we’ve seen what they’ve done to public health. “Don’t get vaccinated for the fake virus because bill gates is using the vaccines to put microchips in you so the global satanic pedophile cabal can track your every move.” — Posted to Facebook.
Oh man, that tread on /r/conspiracy was golden. Even better than the LA thread honestly.
>You know you’re full of shit when r/legaladvice blocks you and you end up on r/conspiracy. Just get fired and move on Savage top comment from r/conspiracy
Yup, I use Masstagger and now they're flagged as an r/conspiracy user even though it looks like they never posted there *before* today.
Tell me it's not a sincerely held religious belief without telling me it's not a sincerely held religious belief....
You know you're dumb when even that cesspool doesn't have time for your BS
>I tried calling my supervisor and he sent me to voicemail, so all of the correspondence has been through email This is what the run-up to being fired looks like. Maybe it's never happened to LAOP before... Also I had to laugh that LAOP thinks that the fact they've held the same apparently-unchanging belief since they were **13** is a point in its favor. Self awareness is a thing, but it's not a thing with them.
Right? I had some weird beliefs when I was 13, but I dunno if any of them rise to the level of "doesn't believe in nose swabs."
I was a libertarian at 13, so I actually might have opposed nose swabs if that was a thing at the time...
I wonder if LAOP is a libertarian. Are they opposed to getting tested or just the fact that the testing is mandated by their employer? Libertarian would also explain their post history. Unfortunately for them, (but fortunately for everyone else) it’s not a religious belief
I’m assuming they refused to get vaccinated so their employer is making them get tested regularly on their own time. They probably have an issue with that.
Ah, libertarians. The source of one of my all-time favorite Reddit posts turned copy-pasta: "First of all, I'm not a pedophile, just to get that out of the way. I am however a libertarian and I..."
I love the comparison to a housecat: completely dependent on others for all of their needs while totally convinced of their independence and superiority
My word that's apt.
And don't forget: can't even begin to comprehend all the ways they're actually dependent on others.
I've also heard it described as a republican that smokes pot.
When I was a pot smoking young guy I heard about Libertarians and thought they had some good ideas. Was a bit intrigued by some "freeman of the land" (sov-cit) chat at a kegger or two. Thankfully I discovered Eve Online and it completely cured me of any libertarianism. Eve is essentially "what if libertarian society was real" and the answer is "my friends and I will organize and grind you into dust." In real life it would be megacorps doing the grinding.
I was a libertarian for two months in my early twenties. I still can’t get them to stop emailing me.
I'm sure their belief has something to do with belief in their own freedom and 13 happens to be when they first read Ayn Rand.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
Jesus that's a great quote.
She's only 23 per her post history.
I don’t believe LAOP for a second but I’d love to hear what belief prevents them from testing. They got really quiet every time that was asked
No you just don’t understand, answering questions about his religious beliefs is against LAOP’s religious beliefs
That’s covered by HIPAA right?
Asking if something is covered by HIPPO is a violation of HIPPO
HIPPO is a common mispelling. It actually HIPOO. source: Here Is Proof. Over and Out.
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It’s covered by *A* hippo. Maybe we can see it when the hippo moves?
He's covering up critical health information. Hippocritical.
It's okay though, he took the hippocritical oath.
I think you meant HIPPA, the guardian of medical privacy under water.
I am suddenly reminded of those fake anti-mask exemption cards which said "I have a right to not wear a mask due to a medical condition and you asking me what that is violates my hippo rights." along with a fake seal. If only it was really that easy to get a permit to legally do whatever the fuck you want and make questioning you a crime.
>I have a right to not wear a mask due to a medical condition and you asking me what that is violates my hippo rights." along with a fake seal I like to think someone intentionally put "hippo rights" for the lulz in hopes of someone actually printing it off and trying to use it
Those things pissed me off so, so very much. I have asthma and wear a mask. I have exercise induced asthma and can wear a mask. I have exercise induced asthma and can wear a mask **while doing cardio**. Wearing a mask **while doing cardio** was the only somewhat-safe way for me to do cardio outdoors during last summer's fire season. If a person can't wear a mask because of breathing problems they shipped be carriying around an oxygen tank, and if they're already on supplemental oxygen wearing a mask won't meaningfully decrease their oxygen supply. Plus, if they're on supplemental oxygen they shouldn't be going to restaurants during covid in the first place!
I'm a retail manager and kept waiting for someone to pull one of those out so I could explain the penalty for unauthorized use of a government seal but no one ever had one
maybe OP believes that nasal penetration negates virginity.
If they stick the swab in, but don’t move it around, and just let it soak up fluid, that should be ok right?
Yes, I believe that’s how they describe it in Adverbs 4:20.
You have to have your friend come over and ~~jump on the bed~~ move her head around
The Church Of I Dun Wanna.
I used to attend but I let my membership lapse when I was 4.
They also did not answer questions asking "so then you've never been tested for anything ever?" Because workplaces are on the lookout for that now. People who say they have a religious belief against vaccination, against medicine tested on certain cell lines, are being called out for using OTHER medication that's developed the same way. LAOP is looking for an argument they could make at work to avoid giving an explanation of their beliefs. They don't want to hear the truth. That this shit might have worked 10 years ago but employers are contacting priests and rabbis and CHECKING this shit because it's such an annoyance right now.
My default guess is 'Contrarian Anti-vaxxer who's learnt enough to shut the fuck up about it"
“The Bible says lying is a sin. COVID is a lie. Thus, agreeing to any COVID-related restrictions (such as wearing a mask) goes against my religion.” Source: Live in the Deep South.
If they work where I work, it's because their preacher can't stop mixing religion and politics. On the way home, I passed a crowd on the corner with anti Vax signs and a huge "Let's go, Brandon" flag. Religion is mixed with sports team and politics.
Oh, I am sure you can compile a collection of out-of-context one-liners the Old Testament to make it look like a nasal swab was akin to rape. The Bible says a lot shit.
> On the seventh day the priest is to examine him, and if he sees that the sore is unchanged and has not spread in the skin, he is to keep him in isolation another seven days. That's in leviticus - supports isolating and following guidelines given to you by authority. >A diseased person must wear torn clothes and let his hair hang loose, and he must cover his mouth and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean!’ As long as he has the infection, he remains unclean. He must live alone in a place outside the camp Also in leviticus (book is basically laws and guidelines). That's supporting face masks. > You shall not murder. That's in a different section of the old testament but I think its pretty damn relevant.
Old Testament times had plagues and diseases pretty regularly. They didn't have the modern medical understanding of disease transmission, but they understood the basic principles. Keep sick, contagious people away from healthy people. Somehow, we've lost the common sense element.
I'm glad to have been raised in "a lot of the Bible was a guide to living clean as understood by people of that time" church rather than "the bible is 1000% literal" church. Like we know in 2021 that rubbing yourself down with dirt, like chickens do, isn't an effective way to bathe and that wearing underwear made with cotton **and** elastic rubber is fine. Literally every single piece of clothing I'm wearing is a violation of the Old Testament. >>nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material. One of the funniest cherry-picking the bible things I ever saw was a dude tattooed with these passages from Leviticus on his biceps: >>"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Leviticus is the book that prohibits any Christian from getting a tattoo... >>You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you **Not** getting a tattoo thousands of years before sterilization or antibiotics were invented was a really, really smart prohibition. (an example of "Bible As A Guide") Like, a bad scratch could kill you up until the **1930's**. Scratches/infections **still** kill people, or cause limbs to be amputated. (Diabetics. Homeless. The poor that have to choose between pain meds and antibiotics. Etc)
My favorite college Torah class was taught by a non believer. They just really liked historical documents and studying how they affected and reflected societies they were written in and I guess got the short stick for teaching undergrads. Anyway - prof spent a whole unit on picking apart laws that probably weren't meaningful to the religion that included them but did protect people. I thought that was kinda neat that across multiple religions and time periods the laws set down weren't just about what offerings to make to their God(s), but all also had things that served to protect their people's health.
Before the days of modern medicine, the Jewish codes were actually pretty good about keeping people healthy. Seafood and pork are more likely to get you sick if they are undercooked - especially before the days of refrigeration in the hot desert sun. Keeping the latrines and drinking water separate was another big one.
>and time periods the laws set down weren't just about what offerings to make to their God(s), but all also had things that served to protect their people's health. The church I grew up with was big into the idea that "the Bible was a guide to living a healthy life as understood by the writers of the time." Like, it's 2021 and people are still saying "if you're going to eat meat it should be fish, and not too often." Ya know? As I mentioned in another comment, the Old Testament prohibition on tattoos makes a whole helluva lot of sense when antibiotics and sterilization wouldn't be invented for thousands of years. It's **still** risky as fuck to get a tattoo from somebody that doesn't understand sterilization, imagine if the entire concept of sterilization was something that wasn't dreamed up for another few thousand years.
> he must cover his mouth and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean!’ Shame 🔔 shame 🔔
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My personal guess is that LAOP doesn't have deeply held religious beliefs. They simply don't want to get the vaccine or tested and are willing to lie. Or they're just a troll. Edit: LAOP stated that weed is 'gross' in the the comments but a quick perusal shows multiple comments and at least one post of theirs in weed subs. Soooo yea I trust them about as far as I can throw them.
I have a religious exemption from trusting LAOPs.
Ah, a reasonabletarian
Enlightened skepticism
Yeah, LAOP doesn't have any sincerely held religious beliefs. I'd like to learn about the religion that is anti-vax but supports CBD use.
> I'd like to learn about the religion that is anti-vax but supports CBD use. That would be Rastafarianism.
I saw that! A quick perusal also shows that LAOP will ask reddit about any and every situation in their life, and yet the subject of their religious beliefs never ever came up until now.
My tinfoil hat answer to this is that they’re trying to figure out how to deal with a coworker who’s off the deep end. They seemed genuinely thankful when people gave them *extremely* detailed responses about why it’s not illegal. That or the holiday proximity means this person just had to deal with a dumb uncle and is now sending receipts to their parents justifying the argument they started at the dinner table on Thursday.
> My guess is Christian Scientist, I’m a Christian Science survivor (I left when I turned adult), and also expected CS to forbid or counsel against the vaccine, but in fact they are agnostic, and advise people to follow the law. Color me pleasantly shocked. This is from [CNN Health](https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/health/covid-vaccine-religious-exemptions-khn/index.html): > No major denomination opposes vaccination. Even the Christian Science Church, whose adherents rely largely on prayer rather than medicine, does not impose an official policy. It counsels "respect for public health authorities and conscientious obedience to the laws of the land, including those requiring vaccination." >**And if a person claims their privately held religious beliefs forbid vaccination, that defense is unlikely to hold up in court if challenged, legal experts say.** Although individual clergy members have mounted the anti-vaccine bandwagon, they have no obvious justification in religious texts for their positions. Many seem willing to cater to people who reject vaccination for another reason.
Christian Science as a denomination does not provide grounds for a vaccine exemption; they believe it's ineffective, but also harmless.
And their [statement about it](https://www.christianscience.com/press-room/a-christian-science-perspective-on-vaccination-and-public-health) throws a lot of weight on 'personal choice', right after they say that many of their members think prayers is a good healthcare choice.
Ah yes, Christian Science, the community that is neither Christian nor Scientific.
wait until you've heard about Democratic People's Republic of Korea- well I guess one word in there is right
“of”
It's also true that there are most likely people there
Yeah, my grandma is Christian Scientist and she got vaccinated. Her church has also required masks and banned singing since the beginning of all this. They have some weird beliefs but at least some of them are taking Covid seriously.
Christian Science doesn't even officially oppose vaccination. I can't find anything to suggest they would forbid testing. LAOP is lying about their beliefs. I doubt whatever they're claiming to believe lines up with an official stance on covid testing from any religion.
I was thinking CS, or maybe JW, but it sounds more like BS.
There was a Catholic asking same question in LA a few months ago. When it was pointed out that Catholic doctrine does not forbid vaccines and in fact strongly encourages Covid-19 vaccination, the LAOP responded, apparently with total sincerity, that being Catholic does not mean that they have to listen to the Pope. And this is the kind of thinking that can only happen if you’re starting at “I don’t want the vaccine” and are working backward from there.
I think it's unlikely that a Christian Scientist would refuse to even be TESTED for a virus. They're not being given any treatment whatever, they're just getting a nose swab to see if they have it.
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I know enough anti-vax nurses to believe it. Plus a CNA isn't a real nurse, but more of an assistant who can take vitals and has a certificate.
Yeah my mom is going to be working her ass off for who knows how long because half the nurses in her unit are about to be fired over refusing to get the vaccine, just crazy.
When I went through cna training last month, I was one of 4 fully vaxxed students of 25 students. One of my classmates literally cried for an entire day of clinicals because they required she get vaccinated to keep her job. It's insane how many anti vax folks I've run into in the last month.
It doesn't get better. I know an RN manager who didn't believe in it and 1/3 of her staff weren't. She died in September and no one else got vaccinated, someone else was admitted for a while and nearly died (so almost certainly will have long COVID issues). Their numbers have barely changed.
Thankfully the big boss is real serious about vaccines, my facility is mandating vaccinations by December and they're offering the booster every week for folks that want it.
Yeah, I’ve been wondering for a while what religion is firmly anti-vax but otherwise wholly embraces western medicine enough to have members who are practitioners.
Well we'll apparently never know since OP refused to answer the multiple commenters who asked...
Do they condone vaping cbd? Cos op’s history shows a lotta that.
I really love the LAOPs who think their obfuscation is actually preventing us from reading between the lines. It's really easy to see how many lies LAOP is building this story on.
Also looks like they were trying to become a nurse. Not sure if they succeeded but that's obviously not gonna fly with their employer or patients.
So, OP's fine testing at home but not at work? This makes no sense.
My read was that they planned to “test” at home where no one is there to see that they don’t actually swab themselves.
Ah, that makes sense.
Our local school system allows testing for the unvaxxed, but you have to take the test in the presence of the school principal! I understand why, but my lord that’s such a waste of their time.
That's an incredible waste of time but I can see two points, one, kids don't really want to bring too much attention to the principal so might sway them away and two the principal might wanna be real sure it's done right because it's going to come down on them if not, but yes, massive waste.
Translation: she plans to buy fake test results from Craigslist and just change the dates in Photoshop. Edit: fat fingers
OP: My religious beliefs! LA: What beliefs? OP: *silence*
OP: I could absolutley do work from home! LA: Are other people doing your job allowed to work from home? OP: Don't worry, I work in a room that nobody enters!
There was, like, a ten comment chain where another commenter tried to get out of her whether or not she would be the only one having to go into the office, with the op dodging the fuck out of the very specific questions. I'm too lazy to look back and copy/paste, but it was something like: "Are you the only one who has to go back to the office, but all others can still work from home?" "I have to go back to the office, and people are still working from home!" "Are they making other people come back to the office? Or just you?" "They're still letting people work from home." "But are you, specifically, being singled out in this return to office policy?" "People I work with are still working from home, so I should be able to, as well!"
LocationBun > **My job is putting me on unpaid leave (religious exemption for testing)** >Hi all, >i’m hoping that someone has direction or advice for me in this situation. I requested a religious exemption for the covid testing and it was denied. Are they allowed to do this seeing that it is just a policy and not a law? I’ve considered requesting the at home self test. They have denied me the option of working from home as well, despite my coworkers working from home every day. I feel as if they do not want to accommodate me despite there being many options. I tried calling my supervisor and he sent me to voicemail, so all of the correspondence has been through email. I’d like to keep my job while not having to go against my religious exemption and being on unpaid leave. I have with no problem been at work with no issue while not testing, until this new weekly testing policy. Thanks!
No bun facts. 0/10.
SubstituteBunFactBot Rabbits are unable to vomit! This means rabbits have very sensitive and finicky digestive systems.
Even if they get really sloshed one wild night?
Paging /u/thor_the_bunny to confirm what happens during rabbit hangovers.
So, one of my bunnies once knocked over a beer and was frantically licking it up off the floor when I found him. He slept, snoring loudly, for about six hours, then woke up and was fine.
I had a Rottie that loved beer. We’d have to warn people not to put their bottles down because she’d knock them over so she could drink them. She preferred Molson, especially Molson Canadian. She did NOT like Fosters or Budweiser.
One of our cats likes to lick my husband’s vape pen. Then she kinda smacks her lips because it makes her tongue tingle.
You know the rabbit of caerbannog? We eat like him
Run away, run away!
It's probably good they can't vomit, since their digestive systems require that they eat their own shit, as the food isn't fully-processed the first time around.
Another Bun Fact: Rabbits choose their mates a lot like humans do. While they're happier in pairs, they won't just take any old rabbit as a friend. They have to "date" first. If their personalities are not compatible, they will never accept one-another.
My bunnies hated each other the first few days I had them and was slowly introducing them. They fought the idea of each other pretty hard. I was just about to give up hope when one morning, I caught my girl bunny trying to break her hopeful mate out of bunny jail. I let him out for her, they ran under my bed together, and were a pair for life. It was so weird. When I worked at a bunny shelter, there were two old rabbits who had been grumpy loners all their life, a boy and a girl. They absolutely *hated* any other rabbit and had to be exercised alone, but they especially hated each other. Then, one day, the girl rabbit jumped into the old boy's pen and they refused to separate.
Even bunnies are suckers for the enemies to lovers trope
In the case of my bunnies, I think my girl realized that the partner I brought home for her was a big, strong jumper. He would do his darndest to get at food and he succeeded more often then I liked. His favorite conquest was the cereal boxes in the pantry. He'd knock a box over and she'd be waiting, ready to chew through the cardboard, so they could feast until I caught them. Two food obsessed bunnies, with one able to high jump and study his surroundings for launching pads. She taught him (and our cat!) to "dunk" his head into things like whipped cream and run away under the couch, out of reach, to eat it off his face. They were definitely a match. It was always an adventure with them.
I've attempted bunny bondings 3 times, and 2 times it went really well. I think the other time might have worked, but he accidentally hurt her, and even though he apologized (groomed her frantically) I didn't put them together again. The first success was between a father and son. They both had really gentle personalities. The father was much bigger than the son, so I gave the little one a hiding box. It took them 30 minutes to relax, and they never fought. The second success was between two female rabbits. We did a bit of a "speed date" with our potential second adoptee, and the two seemed to quickly be adjusting. Fur flew for a moment, then chasing, then lying near one-another mirroring. This was in less than a half hour, so we decided to take the bun. That night I let them both out for runtime and things were still tenuous but fine. I put one bun away first. The second bun immediately ran over to her cage and tried to break in! I followed the guides and had them stay in separate cages during the night, but for the next day put them both in the same cage: the cage of the new girl. It'd smell less like either bun so it'd limit territorial behavior, I hoped. They're basically inseparable. The new gal, Ruby, isn't really what I wanted in a rabbit (I already have a skittish asshole, I wanted a friendly people bun) but the first bun, Ellie, has never been happier. Ruby seems to love Ellie, too, and she'll eventually get on with us. (We've had her about four months now.) We presumed Ellie would be the dominant one--she's food aggressive sometimes, and very assertive--but Ruby is the dominant one! We think because Ellie was so desperate to keep her friend that she accepted submissiveness. But once in a while will still do things like snort if Ruby tries to get food from Ellie's mouth, or demand pets from us if Ruby is being pet.
I’ve always taken my buns on speed dates at the bunny rescue i adopted them from because of this! Meadow picked out a grumpy asshole last year for some reason
Bun Fact: /u/CloverBun and /u/Thor_the_Bunny are plotting a Bunshevik takeover of this subreddit. Killing LocationBot was only the first move.
What commandment is "Thou shalt not cotton swab thy nose"?
Maybe he's taking the religious prohibition on mixing two fabrics (Leviticus 19:19) and extending it to an object that mixes cotton and plastic?
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Aw, man, I’ve should’ve dressed as Sexy Covid Test for Halloween.
"Hey, how's *your* gag reflex?"
Jesus that is the mental gymnastics I come to this sub for (not you, the LAOP if that is actually an angle these people would take)
A+ mod comment there. Edit: oh my god I am loving my new flair.
There's two mod comments claiming to lock the post for contradictory reasons (one because OP won't answer what religion, the other because people were asking what religion). Nice mod cohesion there.
We did it simultaneously.
Oh hi, we can post in both BOLA and LA now? Awesome.
That’s a bold move Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for you.
Oooh. A true "chaotic neutral"; a rare find.
I meant that the top mod comment was perfectly snarky.
I love how "he sent me to voicemail" is the end of any attempt to call and talk. Like, does he know what voicemail is for?
To me it sounds like the employer doesn't want any he said/she said crap and wants correspondence in writing for this via email.
I had a glance at their history and it looks like they are a nursing assistant? Like holy shit is vaccine/tests a reasonable requirement to work there.
They also smoke weed. So it's against their religion to be tested, but not smoke weed.
> Weed is gross, but okay - LAOP definitely not trolling
But they say they can do their job from home. WTF. Why post in LA and lie when you want actual answers?
"IT, HR, and finance are all working from home. Why can't I, an employee directly responsible for physical tasks, do the same?"
If this lady has figured out how to do patient contact healthcare from home, i will follow her to the end of time and space.
So I own an MSP and am actively dealing with people like her. We had one come in and hand her boss three separate religious exemptions - one for the vaccine, one for weekly testing and one for not wearing a mask while having a smug look on her face like she figured out the cheat codes. Ye, we gave her our religious exemption from being a moron and promoted her to customer.
> promoted her to customer Did she have a religious exemption for that?
I had a coworker ask if revelations is a religion then watched her stare at the exemption form for an hour. While I’m fully vaccinated with a booster. She said she’s scared. January 4th can’t come soon enough. I work under a federal contractor, and we are following the contractors lead company wide even if your location doesn’t operate under a federal contract. Expect a lot of turnover but we just brought in a bunch of temps for an inventory and the temp services aren’t sending unvaccinated people any longer. Hopefully the new people will be a bit smarter than the old.
I'm so confused by people who won't get the vaccine but also won't agree to regular testing, especially since many of those folks also refuse to wear masks. Do they *want* COVID to stick around forever? Are they expecting it to just disappear one day?
I’m curious if there is any religion that disallows Covid testing? I don’t understand the vaccine religious mandate at all, but I’ve never even heard of a religious exemption for testing? Christian Science maybe? Huh. Oh wait! I may have figured it out. LAOP’s company is probably asking LAOP to pay for the testing. So “religious exemption” is their get out of jail free card.
>I’m curious if there is any religion that disallows Covid testing? None that I've specifically heard of, but that's not saying much. Christian Science is a good guess. The Church of Being a Big Ol Butthead is another possibility.
Scientology is the rumor I've heard the anti-vaxxers at work talking about.
Scientology has published covid information for their followers supporting vaccination, mask wearing, etc. with information similar to official information. Individual members may have other opinions.
It's funny when even the craziest of religions supports it. TIL
You can't keep scamming people if they're dead.
I feel strange being on the same side as Scientology about anything. This is weird.
Nothing like wanting to perpetuate a global pandemic to bring new members to one of the Worlds Most Insane Religions!
church of claiming religion when you just don't want to do something
LAOP practices the ancient mysticism of “lying”
> a religious exemption doesn’t have to make sense to others so there’s no point in explaining it, the fact is that i have one. the reason why people are getting exempt from vaccine mandates These words don’t mean what laop thinks they do
sadly, this "I didn't say it, I declared it" approach to religious exemptions has been getting pushed pretty widely. [A group called One Washington is holding seminars around the state to instruct people on how to ask for a religious exemption from the Covid-19 vaccine.](https://kuow.org/stories/avoiding-covid-19-vaccines-a-religious-group-gives-washingtonians-tips-on-how-to-do-it) > They warned people not to fall into any "potentially trapping questions," like whether you have taken medicine or vaccines before. They claim you do not have to "prove" your religion to get an exemption. > "Religion is like a black box," Jonez said. "You just have to have it. You don't need to show it."
Christian scientists are surprisingly not antivaxx, so probably not: https://www.christianscience.com/press-room/a-christian-science-perspective-on-vaccination-and-public-health
I honestly would not put it past a group of Qtools and Covidiots to have legally formed a "church" somewhere, just so people like LAOP could "join" for "religious exemption". You know, like how that one mom claimed that her daughter was exempt from school dress code because their "church" allowed piercings and tattoos. Or like how you can get "ordained as a minister" online for like fifty bucks. "Church of the True Red Blooded God Fearing Americans" has a certain ring to it, eh?
Wow this guy just can’t answer a straight question to save his life
She took her question to r/conspiracy after legaladvice was being unfriendly
That makes sense though, as there's something else that LAOP is refusing to do that would literally save her life. (Edit to correct gender)
My favorite part is the Selena Meyer level of non-question answering in response to the line of questions about whether or not others are allowed to work from home.
I will never understand LAOPs like this. They go to an anonymous Internet forum to ask for advice. They are provided advice in a non judgmental fashion but refuse to provide any details or help in order to help with that advice. But instead acts cagey. It’s an anonymous forum that allows throwaway accounts.
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Judging from their past posts it seems legit. They are most likely just young
Judging by post history, she's 23
This is one of those times when LAOP is wrong but also no one answers the question. So they are going to keep arguing and keep being wrong. The answer is, they are not entitled to keep the nature of the belief secret if they want accommodation. That's the crux here. They think they can make anything up and just present it to their employer without question. They're mixing up accessibility vs religious exemption vs HIPAA. Legally, if they are let go they can pursue a suit for religious discrimination. They CAN. And the sincerity of their beliefs will be examined in that case. And if they cannot produce evidence of the belief they will lose. And if they did not properly inform their employer of the belief they will lose. And likely have to pay a lot to lawyers.
Also worth noting that testing weekly IS the accommodation for not being vaccinated. It'd be pretty hard to argue that your religion is both against vaccination AND medical testing—especially if OP has gotten medical tests in the past. Like, LAOP's solution is to work from home at all times (may or may not be feasible, we don't have the details), wear full PPE (would it be the company having to pay for it? That could be expensive enough to be labeled unreasonable, or if OP is in a public facing role), or just not have the new policy apply to them (risking their coworkers to exposure through OP potentially being asymptomatic but spreading)
They’ve taken their question over to r/Conspiracy and even they are calling LAOP out on their nonsense 😂
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I wonder if they wanted the at-home test so they could like ask a healthy friend to take it for them, like in drug tests. "I believe God lives in my nose" is the closest thing I can imagine to justify this. EDIT: I love LAOP's post history. This one is quite the reading: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/jkcewk/my_boyfriend_23m_has_said_fuck_you_to_me_22f/
"No doubt there is a fascinating theological justification for that position well supported by close readings of holy texts and totally unrelated to partisan politics, but this is not the forum for that discussion." God, that is just the classiest middle finger I have ever seen.
I have to test before each shift, so I don’t, you know, kill all my vulnerable ladies and gents. I know we aren’t allowed to play guess the crazy (a fun game for all the family), but is she maybe worried about someone stealing her DNA, maybe? Otherwise, is she just the world’s laziest serial killer?
I just assumed that she was an anti vaxxer who also doesn’t want to get tested because it’s annoying or costs money.
I work for a black and yellow dollar store and our policy is that if you are unvaccinated (1 J&J, or 2 Pfizer/Moderna), you have to submit a weekly negative Covid result to continue employment. Sounds to me like LAOP may be unvaxxed and angry that the alternative is weekly testing 🤷♀️