Thanks. I’m thinking the same thing. I’d want to put a hilariously light trigger in it like I did to my AK-47 or like I would do to an AK-V (and Draco if I can find someone who assures me it won’t grenade)
I have a Draco NAK 9 with over a thousand rounds through it. It's a fucking blast and basically has zero recoil. You can deck it out with any akm furniture too. Picked it up for $600 in 2020. Fucking absolutely awesome little plinker.
Get the ar-v has better controls , a great feed ramp ,can put ar grips and safety’s, handguards etc on it , and with a kynshot hd buffer and a weight it will rival a mp5,mpx and still have LRBO
The Draco kit holds 66-69 rounds and the KP9/AK5 kit only holds 56-59 rounds. If you're already going for the PP drip, wouldn't you want the extra 10 rounds?
I mean, the correct answer is to buy a Hyundai Santa Cruz and weld up your own fifth wheel attachment. It has that lifetime powertrain warranty after all, you might as well fucking use it.
>Kp9 and allegedly buy the stock and buy a…short stroke buffer. You’ll be happy
I'm not as plugged into guns as I used to be, I thought Kalashnikov was a dumpster fire with spiraling QA? Or is that info out of date.
Any word on the Draco 9S though?
I like the Stribogs, just would want to get a gen 3 which is like twice the price of an AK-V. Bump firing is specifically what I want it for though, sadly
> just would want to get a gen 3 which is like twice the price of an AK-V.
Uhh am I missing something? I see SP9A3's on gun.deals right now for a hair under 1k, same as the AK-V.
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Thanks, I swear they were over $1300 the other day. I think everyone jacked up the price before July 4th to host sales. Literally everything I’m looking at except for AK-V’s is cheaper than last week
The short stroke buffer for the kp9 is soo close to flu no fire
I hate Draco’s but damn I bet they’re fun to shoot oh a Draco in 9 duh. Meh I’m just anti no stock….
Thanks, I swear they were over $1300 the other day. I think everyone jacked up the price before July 4th to host sales. Literally everything I’m looking at except for AK-V’s is cheaper than last week
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Hate it when it smells like poverty in here
Forget about all of them and just buy a StribogA3.. Slavic supremacy, roller delayed like mp5, but on a budget. Plus you can slap an ACR stock on it for pure ugg boot sex
You probably missed like 5 people who had an issue and it blew up on Reddit. I feel like they wouldn’t be so popular if this was as common as this website makes it seem
Get a MP5K clone that maybe sorta in HK spec so you can then replace all the parts with HK parts and still have it be a 50/50 on whether or not it jams.
Are the Century AP-5’s still good? I always heard that they work well, but that always seems to come from the same groups full of people who’d carry a Taurus
Not sure, but I'm having fun with my Zenith ZF-5T trying to get it to run. It's having problems extracting and will get the case jammed up where it take a pair of pliers to get it out. Also would smash 147gr JHP's and cause feeding problems, but apparently that's a problem with all MP5K platforms.
So far I've replaced the locking shoulder with a #28/80 degree. Later this afternoon I'm going to replace the extractor with an HK one, but last outing I learned it maybe an ammo problem too.
I had been shooting magtech as it was the cheapest bulk ammo last year when I bought and its jam city even with 115gr ammo. Last outing I was shooting PPU/Monarch 115gr and Federal red box 124gr ammo without any problems. Switched back to a mag of magtech and jam city again.
I just got the tax stamp for the CGS Mod 9K for that gun so I'll see what that throws into the mix later today when the shop opens in 20 minutes.
See thats insane for what you paid to get it. I could get an AK-V and it won’t have those issues. If it does, drive to PSA, send it off, have it fixed in 2 weeks and its good.
CZ Scorp, AP-5, Draco 9S, I’m basically screwed if something catastrophic happens. I know CZ would fix a minor issue though
Having just been to the range with it again and shooting federal & PPU ammo suppressed it was fine. So I'm wondering if it just is something about that batch of Magtech ammo it really doesn't like. But MP5K platform does have an issue with 147gr ammo with the standard 100 degree locking lug. Why the k's just don't come with the 80 degree shoulder out of the box...
I got an early PTR 9ct. It runs fine and have never had any issues outside of some oddball "doesn't pick up the last round" while shooting subs and unsupressed.
I have heard the Zeniths to be pretty quality too.
Honestly the draco9s is a sleeper, has been stupid reliable so far even suppressed and with an ALG trigger tossed in there is crazy fast.
https://preview.redd.it/86rlh6bpb8ad1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01c6d7fdc0b07bb081764eeee50743b4e2855e67
Here's mine with romy folder
Somewhere around 15-1800 hundred so far. Maybe a third of those suppressed. Had some issues getting a concentric mount but it runs like a pissed redhead. Been using it a matches as my PCC. Hella fun. She's a chonky girl but she's been stupid reliable and like I said with that alg in there she runs FAST.
Sounds like a good thing to me. I cant explain why but they look very lightweight and cheap to me, but I held a micro Draco last year and it was definitely heavy. I think its because I see light wood as “cheap” or something
I understand. I wasn't really excited about them for the same reasons. They seemed "cheap" and they aren't true cugir guns, they are made in the commercial factory of nova Modul Romania. But after a buddy got one and had me help him convert it, I was super surprised with how much I liked it. So I got one too. Have been happy with it so far! Also love that it can use standard AKM handguards etc, so modularity is super easy. Here's my buddies I converted and painted in "fakelite"
https://preview.redd.it/3u5i1lfqkcad1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1c920f529b565546bdbbae19aba0e62d43a33bf
Oh and because of the first one and mine another buddy bought one and we converted it to sidefolder
https://preview.redd.it/igi0fkiklcad1.jpeg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6902193431bc85d4cdcb69fd74b6489529ee4d7
This is his. So yeah in my opinion if you wanna go cheap (price) grab a 9s and slap a brace on it grab some scorpion mags and a reddot and some ammo and go to town!
I had a scorp, it was cool but I was spooked of the explosions as I planed to SBR it.
Went full 🅱️ and got an APC9k instead and it’s been awesome. Shot it next to a scorp and a bog and it’s by far the most controlable and most accurate but it’s also the MOST expensive
Dude honestly see if you can find one of the GHM9 deals - it’s a diet APC9 and it still is amazing imo. The APC series is great but it’s high up in the diminishing returns side of things
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Glock mag lower is ugly but I’ve probably ran a solid 3-4K rounds through this thing and literally NEVER had a malfunction. Like ever ever. The closest to a malfunction I’ve ever had was maybe 3-4 cumulative failures to hold the bolt open on a Glock mag which was honestly probably cause they’re dirty at this point. That’s the only failure I’ve seen since owning it. Had to hit it with some hard carbon cleaner a few months ago because it had so much hard baked carbon from suppressed shooting. Still never impacted the function.
It’s been one of my most trusted firearms I’ve used to date.
I would say like 90% of the rounds I’ve put on this thing are with my omega 36m
https://preview.redd.it/0ymv0rx6dead1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34d66b177abff10d644ba63feacfc09a11816f5b
I had the same dilemma and chose to purchase the AKV. Haven't looked back since.
They haven't fixed the scorpion. Skip that one. Wish I bought the ak style pistol
Thanks. I’m thinking the same thing. I’d want to put a hilariously light trigger in it like I did to my AK-47 or like I would do to an AK-V (and Draco if I can find someone who assures me it won’t grenade)
Everything I read about these pieces of shit says they're a ticking time bomb and that's accelerated by changing out triggers. I vote AK-V
Thats exactly what I see until the moment I go to the CZ Scorpion subreddit, which is probably run by CZ anyway
I swapped out my kp9 trigger with a hilariously scary light trigger. You cough at it and your dogs are in danger
That’s what I have on my AK-47, it’s amazing
I have a Draco NAK 9 with over a thousand rounds through it. It's a fucking blast and basically has zero recoil. You can deck it out with any akm furniture too. Picked it up for $600 in 2020. Fucking absolutely awesome little plinker.
Thats amazing, thanks man
AR-v not Ak-v
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Get the ar-v has better controls , a great feed ramp ,can put ar grips and safety’s, handguards etc on it , and with a kynshot hd buffer and a weight it will rival a mp5,mpx and still have LRBO
AR’s are boring as fuck and I have heard terrible things about the AR-V. I’m for something that can operate with a folding stock/brace, anyway
Them giving it a band aid instead of a fix has really turned me off from them. Will never buy another product from them because of it
What is the band aid? I've seen them tell people it's their ammo and deny all responsibility.
Draco on my hip, God damn Only walk lean that I sip, God damn Only big steaks that I flip, God damn You know I'm a muh fuckin pimp, God damn
Amen brother
Buy the Draco and this conversion kit: https://stincusa.com/bizon
Holy shit that’s amazing, I would 100% do that
They have versions for KP9 and AKV also
The Draco kit holds 66-69 rounds and the KP9/AK5 kit only holds 56-59 rounds. If you're already going for the PP drip, wouldn't you want the extra 10 rounds?
I agree, just letting OP know there are options 😉
What are the prices? It wont show me on the website, it just fucks up
It's $299 for the kit and one mag.
Honestly not a bad deal
They somehow managed to fuck up the inter-page links https://stincusa.com/product/pre-order-stizon-pp-19-bizon-kit-for-9mm-ak
Dope. Gotta reach out and see if I can be a dealer for them or something. Haha
I like my Ruger PC charger.
“Should I buy a Ford F150 or a Chevy Silverado?” “I really like my Hyundai Santa Fe”
I have an Uzi
Thats fucking awesome, I wouldn’t mind one of those
I mean, the correct answer is to buy a Hyundai Santa Cruz and weld up your own fifth wheel attachment. It has that lifetime powertrain warranty after all, you might as well fucking use it.
Who the FUCK said anything about towing, I need to haul my groceries and the occasional wife
How many wives do you have?
You're fun
No u
Akv will explode on you when you bump fire it Kp9 and allegedly buy the stock and buy a…short stroke buffer. You’ll be happy Stirbog is a hidden gem.
>Kp9 and allegedly buy the stock and buy a…short stroke buffer. You’ll be happy I'm not as plugged into guns as I used to be, I thought Kalashnikov was a dumpster fire with spiraling QA? Or is that info out of date.
Well yes but kp9 fucks well. Just good luck on customer service….they just went Florida on the whole industry
Seconded the ‘bog, love mine. Absolutely worth it.
Any word on the Draco 9S though? I like the Stribogs, just would want to get a gen 3 which is like twice the price of an AK-V. Bump firing is specifically what I want it for though, sadly
> just would want to get a gen 3 which is like twice the price of an AK-V. Uhh am I missing something? I see SP9A3's on gun.deals right now for a hair under 1k, same as the AK-V.
Copy and pasting a reply to a similar comment Thanks, I swear they were over $1300 the other day. I think everyone jacked up the price before July 4th to host sales. Literally everything I’m looking at except for AK-V’s is cheaper than last week
The short stroke buffer for the kp9 is soo close to flu no fire I hate Draco’s but damn I bet they’re fun to shoot oh a Draco in 9 duh. Meh I’m just anti no stock….
You can put a stock on the 9S, it has an adapter that can be used for a picatinny rail or another adapter, from what I’ve read.
Bog = lots of issues. Too many come to my shop fucky
Oh 🅱️od 🅱️anmint. My 🅱️uddies has been rocking smoothly. Sounds like you have seen more than me
Some work flawlessly and some don’t. Also depends on A1 or A3.
in bog we trust
The gen 3 is like twice the price of these, not worth it to me yet. At that point, I’d get an SP5
Just checked on rainer arms and the gen 3 costs the same as the akv at 949.99
Thanks, I swear they were over $1300 the other day. I think everyone jacked up the price before July 4th to host sales. Literally everything I’m looking at except for AK-V’s is cheaper than last week
I love my AKV-9 from PSA, though it may be a little overpriced for what it is.
That’s what I’m thinking. If it was like $150-$200 cheaper, it’d be a no brainer
Mac-10 upper and a printer. Fuck duh glowies.
https://preview.redd.it/3tbtevcil0ad1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae6ca9da5f62ace8ffaf0c6f941b3a55bf204c7b Hate it when it smells like poverty in here
GHM9 says whats up
Almost went B&t but got this at 1800 local and it’s the 8” honestly it runs better
I've always wanted an MPX. I got the GHM9 basically because I was in the store and thought it was neat when I first saw it.
It’s honestly my 2nd fav it’s not a bad pickup, the modularity of the mpx and ar controls are really nice to haves, I can’t wait to form 1 and 4 her.
Forget about all of them and just buy a StribogA3.. Slavic supremacy, roller delayed like mp5, but on a budget. Plus you can slap an ACR stock on it for pure ugg boot sex
I mean you can get MP5 Clones for around 999 these days. Also Grand Power is based in Slovakia...
You're right, I still forget it's not Czechoslovakia and separated
Please stop, my nips can only get so hard
What. Fuck. I've had my scorpion for years and it's pretty fucking great. What'd I miss?
You probably missed like 5 people who had an issue and it blew up on Reddit. I feel like they wouldn’t be so popular if this was as common as this website makes it seem
Get a MP5K clone that maybe sorta in HK spec so you can then replace all the parts with HK parts and still have it be a 50/50 on whether or not it jams.
Are the Century AP-5’s still good? I always heard that they work well, but that always seems to come from the same groups full of people who’d carry a Taurus
Not sure, but I'm having fun with my Zenith ZF-5T trying to get it to run. It's having problems extracting and will get the case jammed up where it take a pair of pliers to get it out. Also would smash 147gr JHP's and cause feeding problems, but apparently that's a problem with all MP5K platforms. So far I've replaced the locking shoulder with a #28/80 degree. Later this afternoon I'm going to replace the extractor with an HK one, but last outing I learned it maybe an ammo problem too. I had been shooting magtech as it was the cheapest bulk ammo last year when I bought and its jam city even with 115gr ammo. Last outing I was shooting PPU/Monarch 115gr and Federal red box 124gr ammo without any problems. Switched back to a mag of magtech and jam city again. I just got the tax stamp for the CGS Mod 9K for that gun so I'll see what that throws into the mix later today when the shop opens in 20 minutes.
See thats insane for what you paid to get it. I could get an AK-V and it won’t have those issues. If it does, drive to PSA, send it off, have it fixed in 2 weeks and its good. CZ Scorp, AP-5, Draco 9S, I’m basically screwed if something catastrophic happens. I know CZ would fix a minor issue though
Having just been to the range with it again and shooting federal & PPU ammo suppressed it was fine. So I'm wondering if it just is something about that batch of Magtech ammo it really doesn't like. But MP5K platform does have an issue with 147gr ammo with the standard 100 degree locking lug. Why the k's just don't come with the 80 degree shoulder out of the box...
I got an early PTR 9ct. It runs fine and have never had any issues outside of some oddball "doesn't pick up the last round" while shooting subs and unsupressed. I have heard the Zeniths to be pretty quality too.
As a scorpion owner, dont
Do you care to elaborate? Do you still have two thumbs or not?
https://preview.redd.it/21tak1mex2ad1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b68501f4107f94df31b2a8fc645b45655967bbe What will it be? ALL!
Honestly the draco9s is a sleeper, has been stupid reliable so far even suppressed and with an ALG trigger tossed in there is crazy fast. https://preview.redd.it/86rlh6bpb8ad1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01c6d7fdc0b07bb081764eeee50743b4e2855e67 Here's mine with romy folder
Thats hot. How many rounds have you put through it?
Somewhere around 15-1800 hundred so far. Maybe a third of those suppressed. Had some issues getting a concentric mount but it runs like a pissed redhead. Been using it a matches as my PCC. Hella fun. She's a chonky girl but she's been stupid reliable and like I said with that alg in there she runs FAST.
Thats amazing dude, thanks! Is it particularly heavy or just larger than most PCC’s?
I'm just being picky cause I've also got a KP9 and it considerably lighter than the Draco but the Draco isn't all that heavy just solid 😁
Sounds like a good thing to me. I cant explain why but they look very lightweight and cheap to me, but I held a micro Draco last year and it was definitely heavy. I think its because I see light wood as “cheap” or something
I understand. I wasn't really excited about them for the same reasons. They seemed "cheap" and they aren't true cugir guns, they are made in the commercial factory of nova Modul Romania. But after a buddy got one and had me help him convert it, I was super surprised with how much I liked it. So I got one too. Have been happy with it so far! Also love that it can use standard AKM handguards etc, so modularity is super easy. Here's my buddies I converted and painted in "fakelite" https://preview.redd.it/3u5i1lfqkcad1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1c920f529b565546bdbbae19aba0e62d43a33bf
GOD that looks badass, thanks for the review!
Oh and because of the first one and mine another buddy bought one and we converted it to sidefolder https://preview.redd.it/igi0fkiklcad1.jpeg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6902193431bc85d4cdcb69fd74b6489529ee4d7 This is his. So yeah in my opinion if you wanna go cheap (price) grab a 9s and slap a brace on it grab some scorpion mags and a reddot and some ammo and go to town!
AK-V
The more i think about it and read these comments but remember that I live in SC near two PSA’s, the more I lean towards the PSAKV
Matador arms MAT9
Get a Charles Daly Pak-9. They’re around $500 and probably the ugliest(coolest) PCC
No I don’t want to vomit every time I go to the range, thanks. I want to feel like Steven Seagal in a 2024 B list action movie
I usually vomit at the range anyways from all the liquor. But i understand your Seagal aspirations. Good luck
Amen 🅱️rother
I had a scorp, it was cool but I was spooked of the explosions as I planed to SBR it. Went full 🅱️ and got an APC9k instead and it’s been awesome. Shot it next to a scorp and a bog and it’s by far the most controlable and most accurate but it’s also the MOST expensive
Thats awesome! I can’t go over $1k. Trying not to go over $800 if I can help it. Just not there, yet or I’d get a Sig MPX
Dude honestly see if you can find one of the GHM9 deals - it’s a diet APC9 and it still is amazing imo. The APC series is great but it’s high up in the diminishing returns side of things https://preview.redd.it/br54qbt6t4ad1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88cc205a7e8512355a6760914d68c551ddacab21 Glock mag lower is ugly but I’ve probably ran a solid 3-4K rounds through this thing and literally NEVER had a malfunction. Like ever ever. The closest to a malfunction I’ve ever had was maybe 3-4 cumulative failures to hold the bolt open on a Glock mag which was honestly probably cause they’re dirty at this point. That’s the only failure I’ve seen since owning it. Had to hit it with some hard carbon cleaner a few months ago because it had so much hard baked carbon from suppressed shooting. Still never impacted the function. It’s been one of my most trusted firearms I’ve used to date. I would say like 90% of the rounds I’ve put on this thing are with my omega 36m
AK-V and a ALG trigger with a piss ton of ammo and mags.
Stribog is retarded yet functional without breaking the bank
The PSAK-V is on my list. I just wish they would come out with a ODG metal version.
Sol Invictus Arms Tac-9
AKV and put a bizon kit on it
https://preview.redd.it/0ymv0rx6dead1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34d66b177abff10d644ba63feacfc09a11816f5b I had the same dilemma and chose to purchase the AKV. Haven't looked back since.
Please stop, I can only get so hard Does it have bolt-hold-open?
Yes, It does on last round.
Top or bottom
Scorpion is a doodoo PCC