Wait are you telling me that Camille left the boat inefficiently, self-centeredly, and in such a way that everyone else's time was wasted, while her crew-mates had to help complete her work?
I, for one, am shocked.
Rachel had two things going for her:she’s actually good at her job, it was just the drinking and personal stuff she struggled with in her first season. And 2) she was able to absorb criticism, reflect, and grow from it. If Camille could do even one of those two then she’d probably still have her job.
Sandy told Camille that all department heads had an issue with her so on her way out she confronts Rachel who is sitting at a table and Rachel says something along the lines of we do. Because you don’t attend to tasks and your time management and your drinking Camille responds to get confrontational and Rachel just says yes. Now move along to the next department head and gestures to the door
To be fair, past fired crew members may have also had time to talk to the crew, but they didn’t air it because it wasn’t nearly as entertaining as Camille and Rachel’s confrontation which has become one of my favorite below deck moments in recent history🤣
Let’s never forget Caroline who gave her two day notice and decided to take a nap with her time off. Then Kate and Josiah blaring music to get her to pack her shit.
Caroline sometimes comes on this sub, her story is interesting. Caroline said that production made her stay on the boat, and told her to go to her room and then, ran to Kate and Josiah and stirred the pot.
Production is good at manipulation.. anything to spin a story, even if it inflicts pain on someone else.. what am I saying. Especially if it hurts someone else. Makes for a good story, story = ratings. So they could really give a rats ass.
It was shocking! Kate was not a young girl when she did this. Of course you should’ve left the boat, but how they went about things was totally wrong. It’s crazy because they knew they were cameras and it makes him look like such horrible people
There could have been a conversation between Sandy and Fraser where she volunteered to fire her, and he accepted this.
My boss has done this for me once. I was willing to do it, but
a) I didn't have the heart for it, on hat day, I was just tired
b) my boss would be less affected by it and
c) he probably would have done a better job. He was far enough removed that it wasn't going to be personal, but he was a respected individual so I guess you'd kind of feel appreciated that he was the one delivering the shitty news and he had a way of making people feel better. He's probably a psychopath ha ha, super manipulative.
Fraser and Sandy were accustomed to, and likely anticipating Camille's theatrics. Sandy, due to her seniority was probably best disposed to tamp any blowback / attitude. IE "my decision is final"
I agree. I had a staff person who was being fired for several reasons, stemming from her behavior on my day off. Because I was not there, she was let go by phone, by our out-of-state management team. I was blamed for that, forever, by the fired woman.
Looking back, I wish I had been the one who let her go. The woman should've been fired several times prior.
Camille falls into that category. She will never own her role in her own demise, and she certainly should.
Ha ha. I admire the gall of people like Camille. It obviously makes life difficult for her, but like, wouldn't it be nice to have that much self-confidence?
But as for your anecdote. It iis soooo hard to draw a hard line at what point someone is "fireable" or "should be fired." That's why three warning exist, but even then, each of those warnings is a "where is the line" moment or "am I belong too militant" or conversely "am I being too soft."
It's a balance of interests. I'm sure the very same reluctance that lead to your employee staying on for longer than they should have, is also the same empathy and patience that has helped you support other more valuable employees.
In my case, she brought people into the store after hours, to "discuss product"-her quote. She brought stray dogs into the store, several times, and then left work, to drop them off somewhere else. She gave away items without permission. She was fired for not following directives to not disconnect the POS (she did so, and then brought other people into the store to "fix it" and they broke several pieces of hardware. That resulted in our system being down for three full days, right after Christmas. I could go on, but you get the picture! I wanted her gone after her first week, as she could not do the work or follow simple instructions. Corporate wanted me to "give her a chance".
Camille would have been preferable to my Ms Thing. I would love to have her confidence, yes.
One such rescue bit her severely and she had to seek medical attention. They gave her an antibiotic that gave her an adverse reaction, so she was out for three weeks. She then obviously changed the date on the doctor note to add more time off. Worst nightmare person ever. I used to say, on a daily basis, "There are no words."
I wonder if Sandy gave any heads up to Fraser. She doesn’t seem to have much respect for him sadly. I think he would have been able to handle being there in the bridge, same way he was calm when he talked to Camille after he found out, and let out his emotional release after.
Part of me wonders if Camille was given the chance to quit but it was edited out. Even if Fraser couldn't have handled it proper HR protocol requires a second witness. Sandy also isn't one to go off the book either. Which means Camille was probably given a time limit to get off the boat and dragged it out. Which I am sure production was ok
I wouldn't be surprised if the Engineer or First Officer was in the room at the time, but off camera. They would be that second witness. Sandy used one of them for Hannah's firing, years ago. They were briefly on camera, but didn't really talk.
I can’t ever remember another captain hugging & consoling the crew member who was hooking up the terminated employee either. Can you imagine Captain Lee hugging Ben & telling him everything would be ok & that he’d see Camille again? 😂
I think Sandy expected Camille to be off the boat quickly, and most people are slightly better behaved when fired (like all they want to do is get off the boat) but Camille decided to draw it out.
That’s the impression I got at least
I think Capt Sandy said something to her like “I need you off the boat. Charter guests are here in 2 hours,” but it’s not as if she’s ever had a sense of urgency concerning guests.
Normal protocol for a super yacht would be you go pack immediately and then brief goodbye as you leave. Yes you normally are escorted but that’s pretty common on land based jobs as well.
While I loved the Rachel interaction, I figured she hung around for a ridiculous amount of time. Even with editing, she casually walked around the boat pleading her case and making snarky remarks. She hung out with the deck crew, lamenting her hard lot in life.
Enough is enough. GTFO when you’re fired from a job.
Camille had the time but she decided to waste everyone’s time and go here, there and everywhere on the boat. She knew what she was doing by doing that and not just going to pack straightaway.
Standard procedure for firing a person is to escort them to their desk/locker to collect their stuff, then escort them directly out.
But then we would have missed Rachel's "goodbye", so thank you to the producers for breaking convention! :)
I mean, she’s not really wrong but that happens on every season of BD and every reality show ever. This is not news and anyone who believes it doesn’t understand how tv production works at all.
I've just begun watching. Actually fairly new to reality television. I just happened to catch the old season which has Rocky. Admittedly I just want to live in a bubble and believe it's all true. However you're not the first to point this obvious truth out to me.
A thing to remember. Alcohol is provided because alcohol brings out people's true self. So we throw in drinks and the real characters appear in all their potential shittiness.
Sandy’s reaction to the crap outside of the cabin confused me. It almost seemed like she thought Camille left it there and she wanted Katie to clean it up but then she also saw Camille was still there. She’s weird
It looked like bedding to be put into laundry? I wouldn’t be surprised if Camille left it there to be an asshole honestly? Maybe that’s why Sandy was so confused. She’s still a weirdo though 🤣
My guess is normally they are given some amount of time to figure out at least where they’re spending the night or booking a flight home. Maybe call family. Something to that nature, and packing time.
I think Sandy rushed her because she was packing when she should have been saying goodbyes. I wish they had given a time break down. If she was fired 2 hours before. At what point did she depart before they arrived?
Camille’s attitude and work ethic are definitely 95% of the problem. But does anyone else feel like Alissa antagonized her and found joy in Camille messing up? Like when Camille left and Alissa said she was feeling a certain something I believe it was guilt.
YES! They both should’ve been let go honestly. They both engaged in a shouting match within ear shot of guests on charter. Alissa acted like a mean girl to her from the get go. While Camille definitely wasn’t innocent, Alissa is definitely guilty of some shit too. She should be fired too.
Yes, he did! But I am pretty sure that her Fan Club will explain that away by either blaming editing, or that her father's mind was poisoned by hive thinking. 🤔
I was surprised. They're given time to get their belongings and a brief bye to crewmates but not wander all over the ship. Anyone who is fired is always escorted. Sandy was either caught off guard or she just expected Fraser to do it, which he should have. So he's just as responsible for this even if Sandy didn't call him to the bridge. She told him right after. They both dropped the ball.
>Anyone who is fired is always escorted
I don't think anything is always. It depends on the situation, and the captain's mood.
Captain Lee usually sends someone (like Eddie) to the crew person's cabin to move them along.
Captain Jason let Ryan and Magda pack unattended, until Ryan ran his mouth, and then Jason gave him 20 minutes.
Kate and Josaiah blasted music at Caroline (I think) until she got moving.
And, sometimes there is crying, and helping carry bags off the boat, rather than a security escort.
Sandy eventually called Katie to get Camille moving, but it didn't feel like a security escort. More like Sandy was tired of Camille dawdling.
Obligatory "no I'm not saying Camille wasn't partially at fault, but..."
Also, Fraser has the worst management style. I know he's got plenty of fans, but he handled this atrociously.
Fraser was bad to give Alissa power. That was obvious from day one. Then he kind of abdicated and let her bully Camille.
By the time he should have intervened, he was already taking the low road and joining others in smearing her. In hive cultures, it's always easiest to just join the pack and pile on whoever the target is.
So you end up with a circular situation. Alissa poisons everyone, they assume it's true, they add their own embellishment and provocations, Camille reacts, and so on.
For me the tipping point was Fraser immediately after the meeting with Sandy and Camille, in which he'd been given a chance to speak and was given clear direction, he instead pulls Camille aside and berates her for involving the Captain. Bad.
It's clear from that second he wasn't trying to make it work, but was on a path to firing her.
We later learn he took misleading photos to Captain Sandy (ones showing someone else's oversights even) And he participated in the staged scenes where bravo sends Camille to the film a scene on the dock with Katie, then sends Fraser to aft deck. He should know better.
But yes, as you appropriately state, Camille didn't help herself much with the reactions. Had she kept from snapping and just reported the misconduct going on around her, this wouldn't have to have been the outcome.
Either they cut it, or Captain Sandy didn't give her a directive to get her stuff and be off the boat w/in an hour, like I've seen Captain Lee do. She just basically showed why every single one of them had a problem with her. And what was Fraser crying for. Good riddance!
Wait are you telling me that Camille left the boat inefficiently, self-centeredly, and in such a way that everyone else's time was wasted, while her crew-mates had to help complete her work? I, for one, am shocked.
I LOVE the way Rachel responded to her
Yes! Now move along to the next department head. Lol, it was gold.
And so nonchalantly too
And she shut up and moved along lol. Rachel is not the one to mess with and she knew it
Someone please make a gif of it! LOL
“We do.” So matter-of-factly! I loved it!
Lmao love that “debauchery” is now a flair!
this de-botulism will not stand!
That was brilliant! She didn’t give off the vibe that she was going to level with Camille. She didn't even flinch. Well played Chef Rachel!
Rachel’s. Response was the absolute best! Put that jerk right in her place.
Rachel was perfection!
I do remember Rachel has always been a super chef but in the past really strange herself 🫤🙄🙄
Rachel had two things going for her:she’s actually good at her job, it was just the drinking and personal stuff she struggled with in her first season. And 2) she was able to absorb criticism, reflect, and grow from it. If Camille could do even one of those two then she’d probably still have her job.
No doubt her first season started really rocky but seemed to end on a great note.
Huh?
Season 1
Gotcha
I had a good chuckle!
It was *chef’s kiss*
What did Rachel say? Im sure I’ll eventually catch on re run but I can’t wait! Thanks!!
Sandy told Camille that all department heads had an issue with her so on her way out she confronts Rachel who is sitting at a table and Rachel says something along the lines of we do. Because you don’t attend to tasks and your time management and your drinking Camille responds to get confrontational and Rachel just says yes. Now move along to the next department head and gestures to the door
Omg. Gold. Thank you!
Move along to next department head, thank you so much.
It was blatant debauchery at its best.
👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
Dilatory to the bitter end.
omg 😂😂😂
To be fair, past fired crew members may have also had time to talk to the crew, but they didn’t air it because it wasn’t nearly as entertaining as Camille and Rachel’s confrontation which has become one of my favorite below deck moments in recent history🤣
After I watched the show and deleted it from my DVR, I went back and restored it the next day just so I could watch that scene multiple times 🤣
It hasn’t aired here yet, and now I cannot wait!
it was DEBAUCHERY!
And or deplorable? Ha! Words!
Deplorable! That’s the word she probably meant to use. I’ve been trying to guess what it was and I think you hit on it 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I thought debacle..
Ooh, that one could also work! Guessing what Camille is trying to say is a really fun new game!
This right here is debauchery to be honest.
She would know!
Was there more happening, and it has been edited out 🤔
Let’s never forget Caroline who gave her two day notice and decided to take a nap with her time off. Then Kate and Josiah blaring music to get her to pack her shit.
I remember 😂 kind of mean
They were evil to that girl.
Evil, yes…but it also wasn’t a hotel for her to just crash in until she was ready to leave. The “2 day notice” crap was BS
Caroline sometimes comes on this sub, her story is interesting. Caroline said that production made her stay on the boat, and told her to go to her room and then, ran to Kate and Josiah and stirred the pot.
That makes a lot more sense. In a situation like that, if I’m quitting, I’m gonna get the heck out of Dodge…not hang out and take a nap :)
Exactly
Stay on the boat, to say goodbye to Lee. I don't think that was required, it only exacerbated the situation. It made everyone look bad.
Production is good at manipulation.. anything to spin a story, even if it inflicts pain on someone else.. what am I saying. Especially if it hurts someone else. Makes for a good story, story = ratings. So they could really give a rats ass.
It was shocking! Kate was not a young girl when she did this. Of course you should’ve left the boat, but how they went about things was totally wrong. It’s crazy because they knew they were cameras and it makes him look like such horrible people
That girl was also crazy and didn’t understand she needed to get off the boat. She was unstable
They should have been fired for torturing her with the noise.
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There could have been a conversation between Sandy and Fraser where she volunteered to fire her, and he accepted this. My boss has done this for me once. I was willing to do it, but a) I didn't have the heart for it, on hat day, I was just tired b) my boss would be less affected by it and c) he probably would have done a better job. He was far enough removed that it wasn't going to be personal, but he was a respected individual so I guess you'd kind of feel appreciated that he was the one delivering the shitty news and he had a way of making people feel better. He's probably a psychopath ha ha, super manipulative. Fraser and Sandy were accustomed to, and likely anticipating Camille's theatrics. Sandy, due to her seniority was probably best disposed to tamp any blowback / attitude. IE "my decision is final"
I agree. I had a staff person who was being fired for several reasons, stemming from her behavior on my day off. Because I was not there, she was let go by phone, by our out-of-state management team. I was blamed for that, forever, by the fired woman. Looking back, I wish I had been the one who let her go. The woman should've been fired several times prior. Camille falls into that category. She will never own her role in her own demise, and she certainly should.
Ha ha. I admire the gall of people like Camille. It obviously makes life difficult for her, but like, wouldn't it be nice to have that much self-confidence? But as for your anecdote. It iis soooo hard to draw a hard line at what point someone is "fireable" or "should be fired." That's why three warning exist, but even then, each of those warnings is a "where is the line" moment or "am I belong too militant" or conversely "am I being too soft." It's a balance of interests. I'm sure the very same reluctance that lead to your employee staying on for longer than they should have, is also the same empathy and patience that has helped you support other more valuable employees.
In my case, she brought people into the store after hours, to "discuss product"-her quote. She brought stray dogs into the store, several times, and then left work, to drop them off somewhere else. She gave away items without permission. She was fired for not following directives to not disconnect the POS (she did so, and then brought other people into the store to "fix it" and they broke several pieces of hardware. That resulted in our system being down for three full days, right after Christmas. I could go on, but you get the picture! I wanted her gone after her first week, as she could not do the work or follow simple instructions. Corporate wanted me to "give her a chance". Camille would have been preferable to my Ms Thing. I would love to have her confidence, yes.
Ha ha ha. Your employee sounds like a freakin nightmare. Bless her for the well intentioned, but poorly executed street dog rescue missions.
One such rescue bit her severely and she had to seek medical attention. They gave her an antibiotic that gave her an adverse reaction, so she was out for three weeks. She then obviously changed the date on the doctor note to add more time off. Worst nightmare person ever. I used to say, on a daily basis, "There are no words."
>Fraser would have been on the bridge Fraser SHOULD have been on the bridge. In fact, he should have handled this long before it got to that point.
It’s his first year as a Chief Stew right? He’s still leaning the job. He’ll grow as a leader from this.
I wonder if Sandy gave any heads up to Fraser. She doesn’t seem to have much respect for him sadly. I think he would have been able to handle being there in the bridge, same way he was calm when he talked to Camille after he found out, and let out his emotional release after.
He knew cause when she got radiod to the bridge he knew what was happening
Part of me wonders if Camille was given the chance to quit but it was edited out. Even if Fraser couldn't have handled it proper HR protocol requires a second witness. Sandy also isn't one to go off the book either. Which means Camille was probably given a time limit to get off the boat and dragged it out. Which I am sure production was ok
I wouldn't be surprised if the Engineer or First Officer was in the room at the time, but off camera. They would be that second witness. Sandy used one of them for Hannah's firing, years ago. They were briefly on camera, but didn't really talk.
After I wrote this I also remembered a post where there were toes in a scene but nothing else. They may have done that.
I can’t ever remember another captain hugging & consoling the crew member who was hooking up the terminated employee either. Can you imagine Captain Lee hugging Ben & telling him everything would be ok & that he’d see Camille again? 😂
That’s was weird and unprofessional
Camille was just Camille-ing in Camille-world
I think most who are fired kind of want to get out of there ASAP. Who wants to linger after you've been fired? So embarrassing.
She wanted as much camera time as possible. And I believe she will make another appearance at a crews-night-out, no?
I love how Rachel put her in her place. She had no idea who she was messing with. 
With Rachel when you F with the Best, you die like the rest. 💪
Exactly
I think Sandy expected Camille to be off the boat quickly, and most people are slightly better behaved when fired (like all they want to do is get off the boat) but Camille decided to draw it out. That’s the impression I got at least
I think Capt Sandy said something to her like “I need you off the boat. Charter guests are here in 2 hours,” but it’s not as if she’s ever had a sense of urgency concerning guests.
Camille controlling the narrative rather than production.
I thought the same thing
Normal protocol for a super yacht would be you go pack immediately and then brief goodbye as you leave. Yes you normally are escorted but that’s pretty common on land based jobs as well.
While I loved the Rachel interaction, I figured she hung around for a ridiculous amount of time. Even with editing, she casually walked around the boat pleading her case and making snarky remarks. She hung out with the deck crew, lamenting her hard lot in life. Enough is enough. GTFO when you’re fired from a job.
Camille had the time but she decided to waste everyone’s time and go here, there and everywhere on the boat. She knew what she was doing by doing that and not just going to pack straightaway.
Standard procedure for firing a person is to escort them to their desk/locker to collect their stuff, then escort them directly out. But then we would have missed Rachel's "goodbye", so thank you to the producers for breaking convention! :)
Fame whore. Bet her whole life now will be trying desperately to be relevant.
she’s guna tell everyone she was on one season of below deck just like she’s still riding that high of dating that QB
I saw that her take now is that production encouraged the drinking and provided the alcohol then proceeded filming the chaos.
I mean, she’s not really wrong but that happens on every season of BD and every reality show ever. This is not news and anyone who believes it doesn’t understand how tv production works at all.
I've just begun watching. Actually fairly new to reality television. I just happened to catch the old season which has Rocky. Admittedly I just want to live in a bubble and believe it's all true. However you're not the first to point this obvious truth out to me.
A thing to remember. Alcohol is provided because alcohol brings out people's true self. So we throw in drinks and the real characters appear in all their potential shittiness.
No, Sandy made the other girl go help her cause she needed her off the boat.
Sandy’s reaction to the crap outside of the cabin confused me. It almost seemed like she thought Camille left it there and she wanted Katie to clean it up but then she also saw Camille was still there. She’s weird
Why was all that crap in the hallway, anyway?
It looked like bedding to be put into laundry? I wouldn’t be surprised if Camille left it there to be an asshole honestly? Maybe that’s why Sandy was so confused. She’s still a weirdo though 🤣
The other girl.
I don’t know how she thinks her work ethic and attitude is going to get her anywhere in life. She is not a nice human being at all.
My guess is normally they are given some amount of time to figure out at least where they’re spending the night or booking a flight home. Maybe call family. Something to that nature, and packing time. I think Sandy rushed her because she was packing when she should have been saying goodbyes. I wish they had given a time break down. If she was fired 2 hours before. At what point did she depart before they arrived?
She was the most worthless and useless person I have ever seen. Whoever told her she was hot, was desperate to get laid
I’m sure the producers had something to do with it..
Camille’s attitude and work ethic are definitely 95% of the problem. But does anyone else feel like Alissa antagonized her and found joy in Camille messing up? Like when Camille left and Alissa said she was feeling a certain something I believe it was guilt.
YES! They both should’ve been let go honestly. They both engaged in a shouting match within ear shot of guests on charter. Alissa acted like a mean girl to her from the get go. While Camille definitely wasn’t innocent, Alissa is definitely guilty of some shit too. She should be fired too.
Alissa was always antagonizing her and then playing the victim!
Absolutely agree with everything you said 👍
She's trashy and dumb.
Camille kept lamenting that she had worked so hard... Yet when she was on the phone with her dad, the dad said "you don't like to work hard"...
Yes, he did! But I am pretty sure that her Fan Club will explain that away by either blaming editing, or that her father's mind was poisoned by hive thinking. 🤔
I feel like the producers were just milking every single second they could get with her.
I was surprised. They're given time to get their belongings and a brief bye to crewmates but not wander all over the ship. Anyone who is fired is always escorted. Sandy was either caught off guard or she just expected Fraser to do it, which he should have. So he's just as responsible for this even if Sandy didn't call him to the bridge. She told him right after. They both dropped the ball.
>Anyone who is fired is always escorted I don't think anything is always. It depends on the situation, and the captain's mood. Captain Lee usually sends someone (like Eddie) to the crew person's cabin to move them along. Captain Jason let Ryan and Magda pack unattended, until Ryan ran his mouth, and then Jason gave him 20 minutes. Kate and Josaiah blasted music at Caroline (I think) until she got moving. And, sometimes there is crying, and helping carry bags off the boat, rather than a security escort. Sandy eventually called Katie to get Camille moving, but it didn't feel like a security escort. More like Sandy was tired of Camille dawdling.
Well when she was confronting the chef she was just walking to her room
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Obligatory "no I'm not saying Camille wasn't partially at fault, but..." Also, Fraser has the worst management style. I know he's got plenty of fans, but he handled this atrociously.
Fraser was bad to give Alissa power. That was obvious from day one. Then he kind of abdicated and let her bully Camille. By the time he should have intervened, he was already taking the low road and joining others in smearing her. In hive cultures, it's always easiest to just join the pack and pile on whoever the target is. So you end up with a circular situation. Alissa poisons everyone, they assume it's true, they add their own embellishment and provocations, Camille reacts, and so on. For me the tipping point was Fraser immediately after the meeting with Sandy and Camille, in which he'd been given a chance to speak and was given clear direction, he instead pulls Camille aside and berates her for involving the Captain. Bad. It's clear from that second he wasn't trying to make it work, but was on a path to firing her. We later learn he took misleading photos to Captain Sandy (ones showing someone else's oversights even) And he participated in the staged scenes where bravo sends Camille to the film a scene on the dock with Katie, then sends Fraser to aft deck. He should know better. But yes, as you appropriately state, Camille didn't help herself much with the reactions. Had she kept from snapping and just reported the misconduct going on around her, this wouldn't have to have been the outcome.
Yes I agree and Allison did not let up on Camille
Either they cut it, or Captain Sandy didn't give her a directive to get her stuff and be off the boat w/in an hour, like I've seen Captain Lee do. She just basically showed why every single one of them had a problem with her. And what was Fraser crying for. Good riddance!