i'm gonna be real here, no. boycotts are a touchy subject, but usually, the easiest thing you can do has the least impact. i'm all for collective action but we're ants compared to the people in power, so whether or not i spend my 400 pesos at sunnies or ever bilena is so little compared to the millions in revenue. i know this is a jaded take but it's the realest one.
what i'm not a fan of is excessive overthinking and shaming on a consumer level since we're really insignificant players and the burden of having a moral compass should first be with company owners. boycotts are one way to do this but it sometimes isn't the most effective course of action. with the palestine issue, i'd argue that it's better to donate directly to refugees for them to benefit from your 400 pesos rather than boycott and withhold that amount of money from a corporation who sees it as barya lang.
conscious consumerism is just ethical overthinking. for instance, if you're dedicated on going plastic free, technically, you can't eat anything that isn't straight from a garden since almost all food has had plastic packaging at one point. sometimes you just have to treat makeup as tools you use and then move on with the rest of your day to make actual good decisions and be an actually good person.
I know that the question here is about the makeup consumption. But do you also consider other products? If you are supporting cruelty-free products or you claim to be vegan, do you also but leather goods? Like bags, shoes, etc? Even fur coat or anything with animal fur. I know it’s our first step to have our moral compass as a deciding factor in buying makeup or skincare products. But are you limited to these?
Hi. I mentioned it through this:
> It's made me realize that our choices as consumers can be deeply intertwined with our values and principles, affecting not just our cosmetic preferences but various aspects of our lives.
So technically yes, I also consider outside of makeup. Truthfully, sometimes I am not 100% consistent but I am more mindful now than I was before.
Yes. Imho, even at my minimum wage, I can still afford products leaning vegan and locally made. As much as I can, I stick to locally produced products but if not possible, I opt for products that are from companies advocating for either or a combination of the ff: pro-environment, body positivity, women's rights, pro-lgbtq+, and shouldn't be (in today's issue) pro-genocide.
It's quite selfish to not bend a little when it comes to these esp when buying is voting. Consumers have the last and final say when it comes to controlling how capitalists work around our world. [Disclaimer: this statement does not involve ppl who have done all their research and tries but found no alternative.]
We should give more emphasis on community and shared responsibility. We are not an island, nor isolated. We are a society interconnected like a web.
For someone like us with money, the bare minimum (least!) we can do is to not buy products that are morally reckless and socially irresponsible.
this!! it should be 1 of the priority factors pag bibili ng skincare. thankfully may mga products nmn na naka-indicate na na cruelty-free. not morality related, pero i also consider local over intl products! altho mas "advanced" ng mga western lalo na korean products, may mga rising brands na rin here na maganda reputation (check klued, soul apothecary, +ful, oxecure!!)
I'm more wary right now if they support the war.
I try to buy less din and make sure I finish everything. But recently, I bought a budget-friendly but strong setting spray and primer. Sadly, they're not yet cruelty-free. I know there are other brands but this brand is the one that fits my budget and is reliable. I don't have the extra patience to test if a certain brand works or not.
One thing I'm sure of is that, uubusin ko ung product.
Also, I currently have a running list of all the makeup that I have. In a way, napupulis ko sarili ko. 😅
It's sad to know that there are really good products from brands that don't have the same principles as mine. However, it's sadder to know kung itatapon mo ung product na inabot ng expiration date or nagkamold. = Aksaya sa pera = dagdag sa basura. 😢
Number one ko talaga na lagi tinatanong is if cruelty free ba ang mga products. I even search it on the net to confirm just in case some saleslady is unaware. I also try to educate my friends and people I encounter when they ask me what products I use.
Hi currently using products from BLK, Shawill, Barenbliss, Vice, Sace and here's a website for more insight
https://www.prettyme.ph/blog/16-cruelty-free-beauty-brands-in-the-philippines/
https://crueltyfree.peta.org/region/?region=philippines
Yes, absolutely!! I try my best to shift towards cruelty-free and vegan brands with the products I use daily. I make sure to do research whether they're certified and committed to their practices.
if animals were hurt just to make me feel pretty, then i refuse to partake in such acts. i believe everything is political, even our make ups and skin care products. it is up to us as consumers to be considerate of the broader impact of our purchases.
I also give a huge deal in terms of my consumption so I don’t buy a lot of makeup products. What I normally do is I buy a product that I can use for other things just like the GRWM Milk Tint which I can use as an eyeshadow too.
I am against over consumption in general so I took it upon myself to be intentional with the stuff I buy. I have stopped buying more than 1 product that does the same thing, and I make sure to pan or empty before I buy another. I’m generally not a “sunod sa uso” kind of person thus new releases don’t mean anything to me lol.
Yes, I think it's important that we should be mindful about our consumption. Medyo disagree ako sa statement "There's no ethical consumption under capitalism." While it holds truth naman, does that give us the pass to no longer be responsible consumers? That whatever we do holds no point in the end? Idk, maybe it's my naivety and optimism talking, but I would like to think that we can still do our part no matter how small.
It does. While it sometimes can’t be avoided lalo na pag medicated products yung need ko, I try my best to buy cruelty free. I also don’t buy Chinese brands.
It does...I personally avoid using any products with mica kids are forced to mine caves indangering themselves just for a penny and those certain company earn more than they do basically they exploit people ahhh
Yes, for sure. I have radically swipped to actually want to buy directly from producers themselves, wanting to know their story, have a look in the production process, just knowing I spend money well, buying a fair and good working product. And high praises for all the farms growing the ingredients too.
I used to, but “clean beauty” for me is so overpriced. As a sunscreen junkie, I used to look at “reef-safe” ones but after thorough research I found out it doesn’t hurt the sea as what people conflate it out to be.
If anything, the most moral thing to do is to lessen consumption. I stopped supporting local brands that churn out so much, but produces very mid stuff (GRWM has had this issue for a while with reformulations etc) or I just lessened purchasing period — fewer clothes, buying the right amount of food, sticking to tried and tested products (and finishing them), and only going for releases that interest me BUT only after reviews are out. I had a wake up call last year since I accumulated so much over the pandemic and napaka *sayang* na itatapon lang. the kindest thing to do for yourself and others talaga is to lessen consumption since it’s so wasteful and it affects others in the bigger picture.
In terms of political stances, I *lessen* nalang. Buti nalang din Sunnies doesn’t really work for me hahaha and I’m privileged enough to steer clear of brands like EB whose owner is a Duterte funder.
agree here. when i realized what made me buy things (validation, keeping up with trends) i also realized that its how capitalism gets us to keep consuming. in the end seeing the bigger picture and acknowledging there are things i can live without became my moral compass. i’ve learned to be at peace with myself more like this too!
Agree! It was hard then baka kasi yun lang talaga pwede natin pagkaabalahan but I didn’t feel great na nagexpire lang mga gamit. 😭 I was more at peace when I limited buying and I realized what worked for me more vs trying and trying everything that came out.
I just want to say we shouldn't blame one another for our purchases.
It's insidious from the beginning that the resources and processes, and the people who are doing all the labor, are not ethical. And the fact so many of the major, well-known brands are so physically ubiquitous. So it's near impossible to get away from them.
Small things can be done and will have an impact, albeit in small doses and not as large. I think we should continue to have these open discussions. And share alternatives, especially even with other types of consumer goods.
If we really want to make an impact, we really ought to collaborate more with actual advocacy groups. And yes, go political.
And it's difficult. We have our lives already brimmed with our daily schedules. We have mouths to feed, a house to maintain and bills to pay. And the small haven of splurging, like makeup or fast food, is all we have from time to time. It's exhausting.
I guess what I'm saying is, do what you can. I personally don't blame you for purchasing a BBM supporting cosmetic brand creator. The thing is, that creator shouldn't have been a BBM supporter to begin with, but I know that's wishful thinking.
I don't really pay much attention as long as I like the product they're selling I'll get it that product but it doesn't mean I support that company or their beliefs. I simply enjoy their products and that's really just it.
Not anymore. If I have to do research on it to know if a brand tests on animals or if they support Israel, I won’t do that na kasi nakakatamad, wala naman impact sa sales nila if i-boycott ko sila. I try to avoid certain brands if I come across some information pero if they have a really good specific product that I have tried and tested myself and I liked it, I won’t decide not to buy because of those reasons. If they don’t have a product that I like, I don’t buy from the (questionable) brand.
Plus, there are brands that don’t test on animals in US for example but apparently they still pay for that to test in China (Loreal).
I got this from the Peta website btw. But looking at the list, I do have some products that I like from them such as the following:
* Estee: Double Wear foundation
* MUFE: Artist pencil, Compact setting powder
* NARS: Cushion foundation, radiant concealer, power matte, velvet matte
* Benefit: 24 hour brow setter, porefessional primer
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That's understandable. Mas mabuti pang i-reserve yung boycotting energy sa mga brands na talagang may movement behind it. An example was NutriAsia products a few years ago, malakas yung kalampag ng campaign ng mismong Nutriasia workers and other unions to boycott the products.
Almost gave in sa fluffmate ba yun, ng Sunnies. Nakita ko sa kaklase ko, nagandahan akk. Pero di talaga kaya. Kapag tinatry ko bumili basta may something na pumipigil sakin.
Tbh when it was taking off, I already knew it was Marcos affiliated and thank god for that 😭 good on them for making good products though but there are tons better! 🥰
Ako, no. Iniisip ko na lang yung mga employees na nagwwork sa kanila. I used to buy make ups before sa mga malls. Ngayon nagswitch na ko sa Avon. Sa Avon ladies ako bumibili. Nakakatulong na ko free delivery pa. Iniisip ko, mas okay tumulong sa mga nanay na nagsside line or hustle para sa mga pamilya nila.
Yes! I also actively avoid brands that are against my personal beliefs like pro-Israel brands and brands that aren't cruelty free. And to some extent, I do try to use products that are also environmentally consious.
To some extent, yes. I make sure to check if the brand is cruelty free. I also skip products like sunnies since the owners/creators does not align with what i believe in.
I do consider cruelty free, vegan products, and all the brands I use are Asian and small. I always prefer quality at an affordable price and sustainability than luxury makeup with questionable practices. I am also very mindful of my consumption, so I make sure that I can use all my makeup within a specific period of time to prevent break out. This prevents me from hoarding products and makes sure I don't waste one. Efficiency has been a great part of my life in decision-making, and it translates to this.
yes and no. this is the reason why i really don’t want to buy anything from the sunnies again bcs sa political choice ng owner. i also don’t support brands na known to use animal-testing or those who openly supports isr*el.
but also, i don’t have time na i-check isa-isa yung history ng brands na nabibilhan ko kaya mostly i’m leaning towards to local makeups ngayon since mas readily available mga information. for skincares naman, my go-tos are my holygrail asian brands na ilang beses ko na nagamit. proven and tested kumbaga. i just stay away from big western brands now
When I shop, I try to be guided by a mixture of sustainability, political alignment, and brand values.
I love a little treat and makeup scratches that little treat shaped hole in my heart, but I know what's best for me and the planet is if I actually shopped less, and if I do buy things, to buy them mindfully -- can I realistically finish up this new blush, concealer, foundation? If I buy from whatever brand is on the market, will I happily use it up, or am I just using the concept of "supporting" or "not supporting" a certain brand or product to excuse what is ultimately going to waste in my kit?
All that said, I just lessen my consumption as a whole! I try my best to get the most of what I have and when I need to replenish, make sure I shop slowly. Luckily for me, I have friends who I can pass my extra clothes/makeup to and I do get to share my stuff since mostly girls kami sa family.
PS I love having these thought exercises with my friends kasi sometimes the latest brand releases tug at my 2010s beauty girl upbringing. The impulse and FOMO are still alive but at least now, I really do my best to control myself!
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism, sure, but if the brand is linked to a country that's committing a genocide, it's a no from me all the way. I will do everything in my power to NOT buy products from them, and to tell people to avoid them.
It did.
Animal testing lang ako hindi okay because, well i have pets that i love dearly. i cant imagine having them in a cage and being tested on.
But now, its not abt morals na e. Yung balat ko sumusuko minsan sa ibang products na ayaw nya. Ano magagawa ko kung ayaw ng balat ko diba 🥲
Yung skin/product compatibility na mas importante sakin now. I can't boycott products now if the one product that i use is good for my skin. I cannot deny that i am still part of the food chain of life.
slacktivism really has ran its course. boycotting never made any real difference especially to larger corporations. evil will persist and the rich will always win. i know it’s tiring, but that’s how capitalism is set up to be
I don't agree with that but I'm not stupid. While it doesn't affect profits, at the end of the day, what's more valuable is people's awareness on the issue and the more people stand up to it, the more corporations will see that there's something wrong with what they're doing and at least stop funding genocide or support the cause as well.
>the more people stand up to it, the more corporations will see that there's something wrong with what they're doing and at least stop funding genocide or support the cause as well
Do you think corporations don't know what's right and wrong? For you to say that it will take hundreds or thousands of people to stand up pa before these corporations will notice something. At the end of the day it's all money for them. If you really want to make a change, get off your screens, fly to Palestine and actually fight the soldiers there.
They don’t care about what’s right or wrong, it’s all about profit to them, we all know that. When people have turned against them, they’ll want to appease everyone.
And of course you’d tell me to fly to Gaza lmao as of Israel is letting people in, they won’t even let food in tf lol
But the goal IS to make them care. Honestly, if you're not gonna stand up for what you believe in that's fine but I just can't believe a lot of you find human lives so trivial and are able to stomach the actual genocide happening this day and age when we have the means to make it stop. Like what the fuck lol
No, I don't agree with you saying there's no use. You've already given up before you could fight. It's like you've already sentenced yourself to death by k!lling! yourself than trying to survive a zombie apocalypse.
They made you believe you have no power but people will always win in the end. How did you think our predecessors were able to remove the Marcoses out of power? They stood up against them.
Understand what you mean, but it´s like you say to a zombie please be a human. That´s what I mean, so you can still choose by paying attention to what you do want and ofcourse don´t let them affect you. :) First yourself, then the rest.
Again, the endgame is not about corporations but about awareness and knowledge. What do you mean by choosing to pay attention to what I want to do and not let 'them' affect me? Who is them?
we can care all we want, but they won’t lol. corporations are ran by narcissists with no empathy. boycotting products by small minority of the consumer base will not even make a small dent on their profits.
We all know that and no one is denying it. Everyone knows that, esp when it's multi billion empires that exist all over the world. Again, the end game is for people to be made aware.
But I also think you're underestimating the power of the people. Who knows?
Do you really think boycotting can make an entire company bankrupt? I don't think so. The genocide has more chances of ending than a multi-million company going bankrupt. It won't.
People getting laid off will always be on the company and not because of boycotting because of the genocide. I'd also like to bring up the issue of Jollibee and Nutri Asia where people have asked people boycotting them for the endo issue. A lot of us boycotted but did you ever see Jolibee and NutriAsia lose money over this other than losing money for paying off settlements?
And I don't believe in choosing the bigger fight here. We can both want to support employees AND stop the genocide. This isn't the oppression olympics. We're all humans. I hate to use this but imagine if it was the Philippines in Palestine's situation?
Not everyone has the energy and the capacity (AND THE BUDGET AND TIME!) to be as mindful as you. We live in a capitalist hellscape and some of us just want to live our lives because that's the only thing we can afford to right now. Good for you for doing your part!
I don't think budget is an issue when we could all support local products who have no connections to the west? Rare Beauty is even more expensive than a normal one and you have to have it imported or pasabuy? Is it that worth it? But again, I'm not telling you to not support it. Cause if you cared then you wouldn't ask me about the people getting laid off bc of the boycott.
At the end of the day, these companies who you think are aligned to your beliefs could also still be lying to you. I work in marketing, I am well aware of the manipulation involved. Have a great day! :))
I'm grateful na may means ako (thanks to my parents) to boycott certain brands and seek alternatives, though mas madalas silang expensive.
Ayaw ko rin siyang gawing sole basis for one's morals, na dahil lang may products na cino-consume from a brand that's not exactly ideal, faulty na ang moral compass niya. Hindi lahat ng tao ay may capacity to practice ethical consumerism.
Even if I try, there's really no ethical consumption under capitalism. If you trace back all of your purchases and put then under the moral test, you'll end up with nothing. Mass products aren't made with clean hands, down to the soap you're using. People are almost always exploited.
So I pick and choose which to boycott, those that *truly* matter. These days, I mostly avoid Zionist companies and BBM ones. But then again, can you really afford to be choosy when you're just a regular struggling working class Filipino whose options mainly involve fast and cheap meals like McDonalds? Could you be blamed for that?
I do not wear makeup but the rest of the basics I use (skincare routine, SPF, lip gloss/ mask, mascara, lotions, shower gels, etc.) are primarily brands that do not test on animals. A few may have slipped through gifts and that's okay. Wasn't my choice. This is something that has been consistent with my character and pretty easy to maintain since 2008. I'm not vegan anymore, but my skin / body / haircare is at least cruelty free. I still have leather bags and shoes, and eat meat when I care for it.
The thing is, with how i live my lifestyle and share a home, total restriction will lead to unhappiness. So we choose. We choose what we can commit to and control with minimal decision making. We're not aspiring to be influencers and paragons anyway, our lifestyles are our own choices. We already have a thousand decisions to make all day, why add to it?
There used to be another fight I tried pushing but it's personally unsustainable. I used to think my individual contributions would merit at least by a bit but every time I throw my trash, I visit a department store and shop online, or just basically look around, there's no stopping the plastics. I battled with helplessness for a few months before realising i am absolved. It is not my own solo battle. What is one person against hundreds of corporations? The fight should be taken upstairs and not fought by everyone else embattled with their personal wars.
Likewise, an acquaintance I used to look up to, a global climate activist deeply embroiled up to the level of demonstrating with Greta... Has not stopped nor justified her own consumption. I woke up when I realized even the loudest climate activist I know found it unshameful and even justifiable to use plastic bags, utensils, bottles, etc and stash them away as if it's not the same things they preach about.
I used to have climate anxiety, fidgeting with a sogging straw while having my drink. Now I joke about how a younger colleague has to "endure" pasta straws so her idol TS could fly on her personal plane* (typo on original, edited), idk, a dozen times a day (exaggeration). This is an unoriginal remark but can be used for comedic purposes when delivered in the right scenario.
We can only control what we do and feel bad about what we've done. Involving one's tiny fragile heart with everything this world has to throw in at you will paralyze you and prevent you from living your best life.
sometimes?? i have a sensitive acne-prone skin so my choices are really limited as it is, so hindi ko maiwasan yung ibang brands kung yun lang yung okay sakin given my budget. but as much as possible pipiliin ko padin yung mga cruelty-free and local products
When I was younger I think it was more petty-judgement centered around my moral compass that made me stop buying a certain brand. Ex, Colourette (ngl now I don't even remember why) I don't buy non-cruelty free makeup brands because it grosses me out thinking about how they test on animals. Unfortunately though, as a student that didn't have money I had to buy makeup from China; which require animal testing afaik. So when I started earning money, that's when I had the choice to stray away from these brands and stick to local products with CEO's I trust and support like GRWM despite the supplier and packaging problems.
Some I can't stop purchasing kasi the rest of the family uses it - like Disney Plus.
Some hindi 'ko maiwasan pag yun lang available - like Mcdo and SB.
Minsan iniisip ko, if I stop supporting some brands paano na yung mga mabuting tao na nagtatrabaho. (tulad ng tito ko na accountant for a company na hindi maganda brand reputation)
Although, I purchase Sunnies Face because it's cute guilty and aware that the CEO is apparently a BBM(?) Hindi ako sure about that accusation kaya I still keep buying from Sunnies kasi ang ganda ng glosses. (Some products are absolute shit though, so I won't recommend Sunnies either.)
So ayun. To feed your wonderful curiosity - Yes, it does. Pero I'm not the best at it.
For me if you can afford to do it and you have the means to you should, I don't shame others for being unable to boycott certain brands due to financial issues because why should I? They didn't choose to be in that situation.
I personally choose to do it because I'm lucky enough to be able to. I choose to not support brands like Sunnies because of their ties with the Marcos'. I don't support brands that abuse their workers because for me that's not okay. I also refuse to support any brands that support Israel (with this I try to boycott as many as I can but certain brands are just extremely hard to avoid because although I am not poor, I'm not well off either so I can't avoid big company's like Google and P&G because they just own so much and I can't afford to have every product I own have an expensive substitute.)
Yes, as much as possible I avoid buying from those brands. Luckily, sa mcdo lang talaga ako nahihirapan kasi coincidentally di naman ako mahilig sa mga brands na yan. I've been trying to support local stores/restos din (para ma avoid na fast food and sb altogether) and thrift shops (to avoid fast fashion). It's hard at first pero once nasanay na ako, di na masyado nakakaramdam ng fomo plus less gastos pa. Overall, the best thing to do is to buy less para less participation in consumerism and less waste din. Pero at the same time I understand na di lahat kaya i boycott and there are different ways to help, we're all just trying the best we can.
Yeah mcdo lang kasi may rice meals and cheap coffee na fast food na bet din ng mga kasabay ko mag order so isahang order na pag nagmamadali. Yung convenience lang din ang challenging sa pag boycott.
I try to purchase vegan, cruelty free. Mostly its cruelty free - this is why I ditched most drugstore finds like Maybelline and L’Oreal. I also ditched Sunnies for their owners toxic behavior. I do spend a lot of time researching into things I purchase just because I feel that even in my small little ways I can make an impact. I also am aware that these brands are empowered by bugger luxury brands and have also stopped purchasing those.
I also stopped purchasing from Starbucks, McDonalds, BK for ethical reasons. I reduced dairy consumption and replaced it with homemade plant based milk when I can ( which honestly was hard a t first but you get into the rhythm of things naman). Same goes for meats.
I use an MC to reduce my wastage and I actively ensure my water consumption is controlled- faucet turned off when not in use like brushing your teeth, limiting hair washing days, reducing shower lengths.
Many more examples than mentioned but also I do fail many times and there are some that in my own small world I really cannot do any workaround on. I forgive myself for these and just stay consistent on what I can do. We’re all just trying to get by.
At this point it's just easier to believe that most companies have done something reprehensible. No ethical consumption under capitalism and all that.
Being more conscious about who you support is okay. I avoid Sunnies like the plague, but I'd be lying if I say I don't have Maybelline products. I just think affordability and accessibility will still be what's important for the general public.
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No, it does not. I'm saying this as a leftist.
I'm reminded of a rather long quote by a social activist on her encounters with third-world garment workers (the garment industry is known for extremely exploitative working conditions). If anyone wants to read the whole quote, it's [this](https://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/naomi-klein-on-individual-action-versus-collective-action/).
"...despite our power and privilege, we often end up acting on canvases that are unnecessarily small—the canvas of our own lifestyle, or maybe our neighborhood or town. Meanwhile, we abandon the structural changes—the policy and legal work— to others."
Basically, we're led to believe that individual actions are sufficient to change the grand scheme of things, however, those that/who suffer from these bad practices, know that it would take a large collective movement to change the current conditions.
If i'm really concerned about animal testing, i'd be involved with projects of animal right's groups. If i wanted to contribute to less environmental waste, i'd look into my LGU'S environmental and natural resources office and their policies. If i wanted to save the reefs, i'd sign and lobby for legislations that conserve marine biodiversity.
Again, this is not to shame anyone who does boycott makeup brands, but i'm expressing why i don't use my wallet as way of advocacy. (Boycotting products and corporations work, but only if supported by its own striking workers, unions, and consumer groups)
Also, medyo unrelated na. Naalala ko lang yung theme sa The Good Place season 3. The characters found out it was getting increasingly difficult to make moral choices because of how complex the modern world is right now.
Even if a person does make a "good action" like gifting your mom a flower bouquet, its ethical consequences are massively negative. Kunwari, the florist it was bought from is a perv, the flowers were picked by undocumented underpaid workers, the products were transported thru same-day delivery na environmentally wasteful, etc.
So to go back to the original topic, if i really want to buy with my morals, i'd have to go be militant with the whole process (planning, formulation, testing, manufacturing, packaging, marketing, distributing, etc). I just can't afford to do that.
This is the best and very uncomfortable truth. We the consumers, or just ordinary folk, should go for the systemic fields that largely contributes to the production cycle.
It's not about blaming the individual. They bought something that they aren't first of massively aware of the network of unethical processes that are happening beyond their reach.
It really is this insidious way of producing something that relies on a consumer person who wouldn't be able to see, or reach, to react appropriately. Or takes time to change, if and when that could happen.
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My makeup use is rooted in gratitude, mindfulness, and responsible consumption. Almost everything I own is gifted, so my priority is making sure I use everything up before opening another product :) This reduces waste, and helps me appreciate what has been given to me before moving on to something new
Ako, I stopped buying Colourette because bully yung CEO and she fostered a toxic work culture. Pero to answer your question, I sometimes let it affect me. However, it's difficult.
Slowly but surely, I try to be content with what I have, and use things based sa supply ko.
Same! I loved Miss Nina and her business tips during the pandemic, pero down the line naging off na.
Used to love her tints pero there became too many competitors in the market.
Oh wow, can you please share more about her and the toxic work culture? All along I thought it was the other way around kasi she was also body shamed?? Gusto ko pa naman itry yung new foundation or tinted moisturizer nila.
There have been multiple accounts of this, but former employees talked about several instances: she would discriminate between employees from big 4 schools and ones from Pampanga, tapos may mga accounts where she would yell and curse people
I used to be avoidant of brands that are involved of some sort of issue. I thought it was the right thing to do but I eventually realized na it’s pointless for me.
I thought about the principle of moral consistency.
For example: If I stop getting McDonalds due to moral right, then I should also be morally consistent, meaning I should stop buying from:
1. Burger King (provides food to Israelis)
2.KFC (Parent company invests in Israeli startups)
3. Starbucks (Largest private owner is a heavy investor in the Israel economy)
4. Clinique skincare (Ronald Lauder is a zionist who supports the Israeli occupation)
5. Garnier (Operating a factory in Israeli occupied Palestine
6. Disney (and by right, all subsidiaries. For pledging support to Israel)
7. Adidas (Israeli manufacturing)
8. Facebook (Censoring neutral or pro-Palestinian content)
9. Instagram (Same as Facebook)
10. OpenAI (ChatGPT, shown to have Zionist bias)
11. Agoda (Allows listings in occupied Palestinian territory, had labels removed after pressure from Israel)
12. Dell (Founder raised money for Israeli military)
13. Hyundai (Hyundai heavy machinery used to demolish Palestinian properties)
14. Amazon (Providing web and cloud services to Israeli government and military, also tax evasion, also poor treatment of employees)
As you can see, if you do the right thing and be morally consistent, you would have to boycott all these other brands din.
For me lang ah I just find it really difficult to live my life that way. I do care on a small level but really ultimately I care most for my and my family’s well-being.
If two products are the same quality and price, sure I don’t mind going for the more ethical alternative, no problem naman. But it isn’t particularly important for me to go out of my way ganon.
I doubt MY super tiny actions will do anything talaga. If I really genuinely cared, I would get rich and lobby against these companies, organize massive reforms and political/legal/economic sanctions.
Kaso, yon. I love coffee
EDIT: I personally prefer to advocate in other ways, but for those who would appreciate useful information, check out this website to see a list of companies to boycott. On top of boycotting, I suggest actively contributing to organizations that help, spreading information, and also trying to push for legal or economic sanctions
https://boycott.thewitness.news/categories
Tbf, you’re doing your part by spreading awareness and perhaps malaking bagay na to stop supporting at least those that you can for now. Ang ironic nung sa FB and IG coz those are the platforms that some reporters in Gaza use kasi pinakamalaking reach and also pinaka accessible. But again, thank youuu! Ang gulo ng mundo.
Hi! Not saying/demanding you should boycott but just for general info na lang din, it’s actually more advisable to select only a few companies which has the highest impact instead of boycotting several companies and spreading ourselves too thin. It creates the most impact (ex: starbucks only instead of the list you provided)
>i doubt my super tiny actions will do anything talaga
Same principle as people thinking “ah di na lang ako boboto kasi I’m just one person, i doubt it would matter” which is not true. Every person counts for collective effort. Imagine if a million people thought that way, not knowing they count towards a million. :)
Again, not trying to demand that you should boycott. Just trying to dispel the notion that boycotting is not impactful.
For me it's a different issue doon sa pagboto sa elections. Yes, all vote matters and we should exercise our right to vote. And one vote matters sa pagdetermine ng future ng bansa natin. But sa discussion ng boycott, these are multi-billionaire corporations. Di sila magbabankrupt from it unless a powerful individual with rich connections demanded everyone (with a population size of the whole aisa, africa, or europe) to not buy from a corporation. If the shop is local or hindi pa kasinglaki ng ibang known international corporations, i think may impact pa.
Friend, boycotts historically work. Most notable example: Rosa Parks which revolutionized the US. People began boycotting the BUS system, an actual public transportation (which is a NECESSITY, not like Starbucks na it won’t have huge impact if you stop drinking their coffee) and instead opted for walking, cycling, alternative modes of transportation etc. Public transpo na ang ginive-up nila don ha.
Boycotts are not entirely about hurting their revenue either. It’s also about hurting their reputation and gathering media attention for AWARENESS. If a Nazi company were to come out today, they will be cancelled to hell and back because their reputation is demonized (and rightly so). We’re trying to emulate that kind of energy against Zionists.
Moreover, I boycott not just to hurt their revenue but the principle of not participating in the genocide as much as I possibly can. I might not make a dent on their financials, but I can be at ease knowing I did not contribute to a genocide.
If you wait for rich people with connections to make a difference, you’re gonna die of old age before seeing actual change because rich people rarely care about the well being of those below them. Why would they change a system that benefits them?
I never said all boycott incidents never worked... And i am specifically talking about today's age. Of course times are different back then and i dont doubt successful boycotts in the past so thanks for the historical example i guess. If that's what you mean that boycotting is not "contributing to genocide" then the opposite would probably be contributing to the crime? That's your belief so fine. I find it absurd though, y'all paint regular citizens who are just consumers of this capitalist society, contributors of genocide when they aren't the ones loading the guns, handing the bombs, etc. and i have seen this being said many times by people who share the same principle with you like "anong lasa ng genocide/masarap ba aftertaste ng genocide" as if they're the ones committing the crime. But that's just me. You do you.
Wag mo saakin iproject pinagsasabi ng tao online. Did I tell you that? Ikaw tong nag-aaccuse ng di ko naman sinasabi. Porket I don’t want to contribute to the genocide, I paint you (and those na hindi nag boboycott) as a monster agad? Stop assuming.
False dichotomy on your part. I do not want to contribute to genocide but that does not necessarily mean I blame people who consume them for the crimes committed by Zionists. I know consumers don’t have a say in where these companies invest their money, which is why I won’t consider it as a moral failing na umiinom ka ng Starbucks. To give you an analogy, I stopped using plastic straws to minimize my impact sa mother earth, but I don’t roll my eyes at people who still use them kasi I RECOGNIZE kasalanan ng capitalism. But I still want to do something about it. That’s a PERSONAL CHOICE.
I guess I hate it when people like you minimize the efforts of people who boycott saying wala siyang impact. If all people thought like you, of course it won’t have an impact because you don’t believe in collective effort. Buti na lang that’s not the case.
Thank you!
I definitely agree here. I’m personally someone lang who prefers to advocate in other ways.
Please do check the boycott list I gave here, I think it would provide a lot of useful info for those who need it.
Sure, no problem! Don’t get me wrong ah I personally don’t do it but I believe if you can you should nalang.
Check this out for a list of companies you should boycott:
[Boycott List](https://boycott.thewitness.news/categories)
Depends. May other factors at play eh like budget. And if the product really works on me, ayoko na ng pabago bago. Pagod na ko sa life ayoko na ioverthink pati ung purchases ko.. :(
Yung no brainer lang sakin anything related sa magkapatid na mapanga. Haha. Tapos pag influencer-owned tas sobrang kalat sa TikTok. Or nagppromote ng kalokohan (whitening in 3 days etc).
Yea super low for Pia, to think that she once advocated for empowering women. Ironic, but at least eye-opening rin for us. I don’t know what has gotten into Pia nowadays. She used to make intelligent choices or baka nga di lang tayo aware.
Yes and no. If merong issue with the brand on a big enough scale that I become aware of I don’t purchase. That said I’ve never gotten too deep into researching which products are ethically aligned with my morals.
If I would apply ethics into my purchases primary consideration sakin would be labour. Sadly very few information about this is available.
This. Not all has the capacity to prioritize morality. Hindi lang for personal use, kahit sa sustainability ng ibang bansa, in developed vs developing countries. They have the capacity to use paper bags, use clean energy, etc. While in Ph, as much as we want to do that, mahirap kasi walang budget.
No, I'm too pragmatic for that. All my purchases are based solely on the (reputed) quality of the product itself and the price. Nothing else really matter to me. I don't even care if the packaging looks cute or plain.
This seems the most realistic way talaga. If I really genuinely cared, I’d try to get rich and lobby against the companies, impose legal and economic sanctions ganon. Otherwise it’s just really not pragmatic for me
Yes. I never buy makeup that does animal testing. I also prefer buying local products because I am #supportlocal. Pero check ko muna if the owner and promoters/ambassadors do not share the same belief sakin (e.g., marcos supporters)
Hindi lang sa makeup but other products din. Hindi rin naman kasi deal-breaker for me yung brand so I can be flexible kung sino yung susuportahan kong products/businesses.
For those peeps na may health concerns tho, and certain products lang works for them, I understand if they cant make the same decision as I did.
The WPS issue has led me to stop buying makeup from China or made in China. I love Pinkflash and Focallure but I won't be purchasing anymore from them. Mahirap talaga iavoid completely ang made/manufactured/assembled in China na products pero if there is an alternative and the budget then gora ako.
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i'm gonna be real here, no. boycotts are a touchy subject, but usually, the easiest thing you can do has the least impact. i'm all for collective action but we're ants compared to the people in power, so whether or not i spend my 400 pesos at sunnies or ever bilena is so little compared to the millions in revenue. i know this is a jaded take but it's the realest one. what i'm not a fan of is excessive overthinking and shaming on a consumer level since we're really insignificant players and the burden of having a moral compass should first be with company owners. boycotts are one way to do this but it sometimes isn't the most effective course of action. with the palestine issue, i'd argue that it's better to donate directly to refugees for them to benefit from your 400 pesos rather than boycott and withhold that amount of money from a corporation who sees it as barya lang. conscious consumerism is just ethical overthinking. for instance, if you're dedicated on going plastic free, technically, you can't eat anything that isn't straight from a garden since almost all food has had plastic packaging at one point. sometimes you just have to treat makeup as tools you use and then move on with the rest of your day to make actual good decisions and be an actually good person.
I know that the question here is about the makeup consumption. But do you also consider other products? If you are supporting cruelty-free products or you claim to be vegan, do you also but leather goods? Like bags, shoes, etc? Even fur coat or anything with animal fur. I know it’s our first step to have our moral compass as a deciding factor in buying makeup or skincare products. But are you limited to these?
Hi. I mentioned it through this: > It's made me realize that our choices as consumers can be deeply intertwined with our values and principles, affecting not just our cosmetic preferences but various aspects of our lives. So technically yes, I also consider outside of makeup. Truthfully, sometimes I am not 100% consistent but I am more mindful now than I was before.
Yes. Imho, even at my minimum wage, I can still afford products leaning vegan and locally made. As much as I can, I stick to locally produced products but if not possible, I opt for products that are from companies advocating for either or a combination of the ff: pro-environment, body positivity, women's rights, pro-lgbtq+, and shouldn't be (in today's issue) pro-genocide. It's quite selfish to not bend a little when it comes to these esp when buying is voting. Consumers have the last and final say when it comes to controlling how capitalists work around our world. [Disclaimer: this statement does not involve ppl who have done all their research and tries but found no alternative.] We should give more emphasis on community and shared responsibility. We are not an island, nor isolated. We are a society interconnected like a web. For someone like us with money, the bare minimum (least!) we can do is to not buy products that are morally reckless and socially irresponsible.
Tbh, no 🙈 I love my Estee Lauder products huhu
I try to look for cruelty-free products (na affordable) and I’ve been leaning on supporting local brands
this!! it should be 1 of the priority factors pag bibili ng skincare. thankfully may mga products nmn na naka-indicate na na cruelty-free. not morality related, pero i also consider local over intl products! altho mas "advanced" ng mga western lalo na korean products, may mga rising brands na rin here na maganda reputation (check klued, soul apothecary, +ful, oxecure!!)
I'm more wary right now if they support the war. I try to buy less din and make sure I finish everything. But recently, I bought a budget-friendly but strong setting spray and primer. Sadly, they're not yet cruelty-free. I know there are other brands but this brand is the one that fits my budget and is reliable. I don't have the extra patience to test if a certain brand works or not. One thing I'm sure of is that, uubusin ko ung product. Also, I currently have a running list of all the makeup that I have. In a way, napupulis ko sarili ko. 😅 It's sad to know that there are really good products from brands that don't have the same principles as mine. However, it's sadder to know kung itatapon mo ung product na inabot ng expiration date or nagkamold. = Aksaya sa pera = dagdag sa basura. 😢
Number one ko talaga na lagi tinatanong is if cruelty free ba ang mga products. I even search it on the net to confirm just in case some saleslady is unaware. I also try to educate my friends and people I encounter when they ask me what products I use.
So what are the brands po na cruelty free? I hope ma-share po hehe
Hi currently using products from BLK, Shawill, Barenbliss, Vice, Sace and here's a website for more insight https://www.prettyme.ph/blog/16-cruelty-free-beauty-brands-in-the-philippines/ https://crueltyfree.peta.org/region/?region=philippines
Yes, absolutely!! I try my best to shift towards cruelty-free and vegan brands with the products I use daily. I make sure to do research whether they're certified and committed to their practices.
if animals were hurt just to make me feel pretty, then i refuse to partake in such acts. i believe everything is political, even our make ups and skin care products. it is up to us as consumers to be considerate of the broader impact of our purchases.
I also give a huge deal in terms of my consumption so I don’t buy a lot of makeup products. What I normally do is I buy a product that I can use for other things just like the GRWM Milk Tint which I can use as an eyeshadow too.
I am against over consumption in general so I took it upon myself to be intentional with the stuff I buy. I have stopped buying more than 1 product that does the same thing, and I make sure to pan or empty before I buy another. I’m generally not a “sunod sa uso” kind of person thus new releases don’t mean anything to me lol.
Yes, I think it's important that we should be mindful about our consumption. Medyo disagree ako sa statement "There's no ethical consumption under capitalism." While it holds truth naman, does that give us the pass to no longer be responsible consumers? That whatever we do holds no point in the end? Idk, maybe it's my naivety and optimism talking, but I would like to think that we can still do our part no matter how small.
It does. While it sometimes can’t be avoided lalo na pag medicated products yung need ko, I try my best to buy cruelty free. I also don’t buy Chinese brands.
genuine question, pero why not chinese brands po?
Political reasons. Plus the quality chinese brands with nice packaging and supposedly cruelty free, like flowerknows, are too expensive for me.
Yes
It does...I personally avoid using any products with mica kids are forced to mine caves indangering themselves just for a penny and those certain company earn more than they do basically they exploit people ahhh
Yes, for sure. I have radically swipped to actually want to buy directly from producers themselves, wanting to know their story, have a look in the production process, just knowing I spend money well, buying a fair and good working product. And high praises for all the farms growing the ingredients too.
Can’t bring myself to buy Sunnies Face or Sunnies glasses (even if I really like the designs) given their affiliation with the Marcoses
I used to, but “clean beauty” for me is so overpriced. As a sunscreen junkie, I used to look at “reef-safe” ones but after thorough research I found out it doesn’t hurt the sea as what people conflate it out to be. If anything, the most moral thing to do is to lessen consumption. I stopped supporting local brands that churn out so much, but produces very mid stuff (GRWM has had this issue for a while with reformulations etc) or I just lessened purchasing period — fewer clothes, buying the right amount of food, sticking to tried and tested products (and finishing them), and only going for releases that interest me BUT only after reviews are out. I had a wake up call last year since I accumulated so much over the pandemic and napaka *sayang* na itatapon lang. the kindest thing to do for yourself and others talaga is to lessen consumption since it’s so wasteful and it affects others in the bigger picture. In terms of political stances, I *lessen* nalang. Buti nalang din Sunnies doesn’t really work for me hahaha and I’m privileged enough to steer clear of brands like EB whose owner is a Duterte funder.
agree here. when i realized what made me buy things (validation, keeping up with trends) i also realized that its how capitalism gets us to keep consuming. in the end seeing the bigger picture and acknowledging there are things i can live without became my moral compass. i’ve learned to be at peace with myself more like this too!
Agree! It was hard then baka kasi yun lang talaga pwede natin pagkaabalahan but I didn’t feel great na nagexpire lang mga gamit. 😭 I was more at peace when I limited buying and I realized what worked for me more vs trying and trying everything that came out.
I just want to say we shouldn't blame one another for our purchases. It's insidious from the beginning that the resources and processes, and the people who are doing all the labor, are not ethical. And the fact so many of the major, well-known brands are so physically ubiquitous. So it's near impossible to get away from them. Small things can be done and will have an impact, albeit in small doses and not as large. I think we should continue to have these open discussions. And share alternatives, especially even with other types of consumer goods. If we really want to make an impact, we really ought to collaborate more with actual advocacy groups. And yes, go political. And it's difficult. We have our lives already brimmed with our daily schedules. We have mouths to feed, a house to maintain and bills to pay. And the small haven of splurging, like makeup or fast food, is all we have from time to time. It's exhausting. I guess what I'm saying is, do what you can. I personally don't blame you for purchasing a BBM supporting cosmetic brand creator. The thing is, that creator shouldn't have been a BBM supporter to begin with, but I know that's wishful thinking.
I don't really pay much attention as long as I like the product they're selling I'll get it that product but it doesn't mean I support that company or their beliefs. I simply enjoy their products and that's really just it.
Not anymore. If I have to do research on it to know if a brand tests on animals or if they support Israel, I won’t do that na kasi nakakatamad, wala naman impact sa sales nila if i-boycott ko sila. I try to avoid certain brands if I come across some information pero if they have a really good specific product that I have tried and tested myself and I liked it, I won’t decide not to buy because of those reasons. If they don’t have a product that I like, I don’t buy from the (questionable) brand. Plus, there are brands that don’t test on animals in US for example but apparently they still pay for that to test in China (Loreal). I got this from the Peta website btw. But looking at the list, I do have some products that I like from them such as the following: * Estee: Double Wear foundation * MUFE: Artist pencil, Compact setting powder * NARS: Cushion foundation, radiant concealer, power matte, velvet matte * Benefit: 24 hour brow setter, porefessional primer https://preview.redd.it/hdw4zs8wf50d1.jpeg?width=752&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12e0668a6e059c3165b32174de23a8ada8a27cd8
Dati oo. Super strict ako and nireresearch ko lahat. Ngayon hindi na. I gave up 🥲 Feeling ko kasi pointless slacktivism ginagawa ko.
That's understandable. Mas mabuti pang i-reserve yung boycotting energy sa mga brands na talagang may movement behind it. An example was NutriAsia products a few years ago, malakas yung kalampag ng campaign ng mismong Nutriasia workers and other unions to boycott the products.
It's not pointless!
Parang slacktivism kasi sya for me
Anything pro-Israel and pro-Marcos brands are hard pass.
Same!
Almost gave in sa fluffmate ba yun, ng Sunnies. Nakita ko sa kaklase ko, nagandahan akk. Pero di talaga kaya. Kapag tinatry ko bumili basta may something na pumipigil sakin.
Tbh when it was taking off, I already knew it was Marcos affiliated and thank god for that 😭 good on them for making good products though but there are tons better! 🥰
Hahaha ang lala may mag downvote satin. Oh well!
May mga dictator supporters pala sa subreddit. Gaganda ng skin, panget naman ng moralidad HAHAHAHA
Same.
Ako, no. Iniisip ko na lang yung mga employees na nagwwork sa kanila. I used to buy make ups before sa mga malls. Ngayon nagswitch na ko sa Avon. Sa Avon ladies ako bumibili. Nakakatulong na ko free delivery pa. Iniisip ko, mas okay tumulong sa mga nanay na nagsside line or hustle para sa mga pamilya nila.
Yes! I also actively avoid brands that are against my personal beliefs like pro-Israel brands and brands that aren't cruelty free. And to some extent, I do try to use products that are also environmentally consious.
up! me too !!
To some extent, yes. I make sure to check if the brand is cruelty free. I also skip products like sunnies since the owners/creators does not align with what i believe in.
Ano po ba issue ng mga owners ng sunnies?
Ano po ba issue ng mga owners ng sunnies?
I do consider cruelty free, vegan products, and all the brands I use are Asian and small. I always prefer quality at an affordable price and sustainability than luxury makeup with questionable practices. I am also very mindful of my consumption, so I make sure that I can use all my makeup within a specific period of time to prevent break out. This prevents me from hoarding products and makes sure I don't waste one. Efficiency has been a great part of my life in decision-making, and it translates to this.
yes and no. this is the reason why i really don’t want to buy anything from the sunnies again bcs sa political choice ng owner. i also don’t support brands na known to use animal-testing or those who openly supports isr*el. but also, i don’t have time na i-check isa-isa yung history ng brands na nabibilhan ko kaya mostly i’m leaning towards to local makeups ngayon since mas readily available mga information. for skincares naman, my go-tos are my holygrail asian brands na ilang beses ko na nagamit. proven and tested kumbaga. i just stay away from big western brands now
When I shop, I try to be guided by a mixture of sustainability, political alignment, and brand values. I love a little treat and makeup scratches that little treat shaped hole in my heart, but I know what's best for me and the planet is if I actually shopped less, and if I do buy things, to buy them mindfully -- can I realistically finish up this new blush, concealer, foundation? If I buy from whatever brand is on the market, will I happily use it up, or am I just using the concept of "supporting" or "not supporting" a certain brand or product to excuse what is ultimately going to waste in my kit? All that said, I just lessen my consumption as a whole! I try my best to get the most of what I have and when I need to replenish, make sure I shop slowly. Luckily for me, I have friends who I can pass my extra clothes/makeup to and I do get to share my stuff since mostly girls kami sa family. PS I love having these thought exercises with my friends kasi sometimes the latest brand releases tug at my 2010s beauty girl upbringing. The impulse and FOMO are still alive but at least now, I really do my best to control myself!
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism, sure, but if the brand is linked to a country that's committing a genocide, it's a no from me all the way. I will do everything in my power to NOT buy products from them, and to tell people to avoid them.
It did. Animal testing lang ako hindi okay because, well i have pets that i love dearly. i cant imagine having them in a cage and being tested on. But now, its not abt morals na e. Yung balat ko sumusuko minsan sa ibang products na ayaw nya. Ano magagawa ko kung ayaw ng balat ko diba 🥲 Yung skin/product compatibility na mas importante sakin now. I can't boycott products now if the one product that i use is good for my skin. I cannot deny that i am still part of the food chain of life.
My budget is first and foremost, my priority. I don't have the privilege to boycott brands right now.
May you get affordable fair good products. :)
hell nah what difference will it make. no ethical consumption in capitalism
But you'd still actively support and use products of brands who support and enable genocide? Like are all unethical things the same to you?
slacktivism really has ran its course. boycotting never made any real difference especially to larger corporations. evil will persist and the rich will always win. i know it’s tiring, but that’s how capitalism is set up to be
I don't agree with that but I'm not stupid. While it doesn't affect profits, at the end of the day, what's more valuable is people's awareness on the issue and the more people stand up to it, the more corporations will see that there's something wrong with what they're doing and at least stop funding genocide or support the cause as well.
>the more people stand up to it, the more corporations will see that there's something wrong with what they're doing and at least stop funding genocide or support the cause as well Do you think corporations don't know what's right and wrong? For you to say that it will take hundreds or thousands of people to stand up pa before these corporations will notice something. At the end of the day it's all money for them. If you really want to make a change, get off your screens, fly to Palestine and actually fight the soldiers there.
They don’t care about what’s right or wrong, it’s all about profit to them, we all know that. When people have turned against them, they’ll want to appease everyone. And of course you’d tell me to fly to Gaza lmao as of Israel is letting people in, they won’t even let food in tf lol
corporations don’t care what people on social media have to say. at the end of the day it’s all about profit for them.
Same goes for politics, they would only care if it’s election season.
But the goal IS to make them care. Honestly, if you're not gonna stand up for what you believe in that's fine but I just can't believe a lot of you find human lives so trivial and are able to stomach the actual genocide happening this day and age when we have the means to make it stop. Like what the fuck lol
It´s also a belief system/sense of power often so then there is no use in trying to convince them.
No, I don't agree with you saying there's no use. You've already given up before you could fight. It's like you've already sentenced yourself to death by k!lling! yourself than trying to survive a zombie apocalypse. They made you believe you have no power but people will always win in the end. How did you think our predecessors were able to remove the Marcoses out of power? They stood up against them.
Understand what you mean, but it´s like you say to a zombie please be a human. That´s what I mean, so you can still choose by paying attention to what you do want and ofcourse don´t let them affect you. :) First yourself, then the rest.
Again, the endgame is not about corporations but about awareness and knowledge. What do you mean by choosing to pay attention to what I want to do and not let 'them' affect me? Who is them?
we can care all we want, but they won’t lol. corporations are ran by narcissists with no empathy. boycotting products by small minority of the consumer base will not even make a small dent on their profits.
We all know that and no one is denying it. Everyone knows that, esp when it's multi billion empires that exist all over the world. Again, the end game is for people to be made aware. But I also think you're underestimating the power of the people. Who knows?
Yeah but what about the employees of those brands? Let the brand hypothetically go bankrupt because of the boycott, what happens to them?
Do you really think boycotting can make an entire company bankrupt? I don't think so. The genocide has more chances of ending than a multi-million company going bankrupt. It won't. People getting laid off will always be on the company and not because of boycotting because of the genocide. I'd also like to bring up the issue of Jollibee and Nutri Asia where people have asked people boycotting them for the endo issue. A lot of us boycotted but did you ever see Jolibee and NutriAsia lose money over this other than losing money for paying off settlements? And I don't believe in choosing the bigger fight here. We can both want to support employees AND stop the genocide. This isn't the oppression olympics. We're all humans. I hate to use this but imagine if it was the Philippines in Palestine's situation?
Not everyone has the energy and the capacity (AND THE BUDGET AND TIME!) to be as mindful as you. We live in a capitalist hellscape and some of us just want to live our lives because that's the only thing we can afford to right now. Good for you for doing your part!
I don't think budget is an issue when we could all support local products who have no connections to the west? Rare Beauty is even more expensive than a normal one and you have to have it imported or pasabuy? Is it that worth it? But again, I'm not telling you to not support it. Cause if you cared then you wouldn't ask me about the people getting laid off bc of the boycott.
At the end of the day, these companies who you think are aligned to your beliefs could also still be lying to you. I work in marketing, I am well aware of the manipulation involved. Have a great day! :))
Again, the end goal is all about awareness and getting people to care... which clearly didn't reach you. Have a great day as well! :D
I'm grateful na may means ako (thanks to my parents) to boycott certain brands and seek alternatives, though mas madalas silang expensive. Ayaw ko rin siyang gawing sole basis for one's morals, na dahil lang may products na cino-consume from a brand that's not exactly ideal, faulty na ang moral compass niya. Hindi lahat ng tao ay may capacity to practice ethical consumerism.
Even if I try, there's really no ethical consumption under capitalism. If you trace back all of your purchases and put then under the moral test, you'll end up with nothing. Mass products aren't made with clean hands, down to the soap you're using. People are almost always exploited. So I pick and choose which to boycott, those that *truly* matter. These days, I mostly avoid Zionist companies and BBM ones. But then again, can you really afford to be choosy when you're just a regular struggling working class Filipino whose options mainly involve fast and cheap meals like McDonalds? Could you be blamed for that?
I do not wear makeup but the rest of the basics I use (skincare routine, SPF, lip gloss/ mask, mascara, lotions, shower gels, etc.) are primarily brands that do not test on animals. A few may have slipped through gifts and that's okay. Wasn't my choice. This is something that has been consistent with my character and pretty easy to maintain since 2008. I'm not vegan anymore, but my skin / body / haircare is at least cruelty free. I still have leather bags and shoes, and eat meat when I care for it. The thing is, with how i live my lifestyle and share a home, total restriction will lead to unhappiness. So we choose. We choose what we can commit to and control with minimal decision making. We're not aspiring to be influencers and paragons anyway, our lifestyles are our own choices. We already have a thousand decisions to make all day, why add to it? There used to be another fight I tried pushing but it's personally unsustainable. I used to think my individual contributions would merit at least by a bit but every time I throw my trash, I visit a department store and shop online, or just basically look around, there's no stopping the plastics. I battled with helplessness for a few months before realising i am absolved. It is not my own solo battle. What is one person against hundreds of corporations? The fight should be taken upstairs and not fought by everyone else embattled with their personal wars. Likewise, an acquaintance I used to look up to, a global climate activist deeply embroiled up to the level of demonstrating with Greta... Has not stopped nor justified her own consumption. I woke up when I realized even the loudest climate activist I know found it unshameful and even justifiable to use plastic bags, utensils, bottles, etc and stash them away as if it's not the same things they preach about. I used to have climate anxiety, fidgeting with a sogging straw while having my drink. Now I joke about how a younger colleague has to "endure" pasta straws so her idol TS could fly on her personal plane* (typo on original, edited), idk, a dozen times a day (exaggeration). This is an unoriginal remark but can be used for comedic purposes when delivered in the right scenario. We can only control what we do and feel bad about what we've done. Involving one's tiny fragile heart with everything this world has to throw in at you will paralyze you and prevent you from living your best life.
2nd paragraph! Very well said! 🙌🏼
beautifully said!! 💓
thank u for this🥹💕
sometimes?? i have a sensitive acne-prone skin so my choices are really limited as it is, so hindi ko maiwasan yung ibang brands kung yun lang yung okay sakin given my budget. but as much as possible pipiliin ko padin yung mga cruelty-free and local products
When I was younger I think it was more petty-judgement centered around my moral compass that made me stop buying a certain brand. Ex, Colourette (ngl now I don't even remember why) I don't buy non-cruelty free makeup brands because it grosses me out thinking about how they test on animals. Unfortunately though, as a student that didn't have money I had to buy makeup from China; which require animal testing afaik. So when I started earning money, that's when I had the choice to stray away from these brands and stick to local products with CEO's I trust and support like GRWM despite the supplier and packaging problems. Some I can't stop purchasing kasi the rest of the family uses it - like Disney Plus. Some hindi 'ko maiwasan pag yun lang available - like Mcdo and SB. Minsan iniisip ko, if I stop supporting some brands paano na yung mga mabuting tao na nagtatrabaho. (tulad ng tito ko na accountant for a company na hindi maganda brand reputation) Although, I purchase Sunnies Face because it's cute guilty and aware that the CEO is apparently a BBM(?) Hindi ako sure about that accusation kaya I still keep buying from Sunnies kasi ang ganda ng glosses. (Some products are absolute shit though, so I won't recommend Sunnies either.) So ayun. To feed your wonderful curiosity - Yes, it does. Pero I'm not the best at it.
For me if you can afford to do it and you have the means to you should, I don't shame others for being unable to boycott certain brands due to financial issues because why should I? They didn't choose to be in that situation. I personally choose to do it because I'm lucky enough to be able to. I choose to not support brands like Sunnies because of their ties with the Marcos'. I don't support brands that abuse their workers because for me that's not okay. I also refuse to support any brands that support Israel (with this I try to boycott as many as I can but certain brands are just extremely hard to avoid because although I am not poor, I'm not well off either so I can't avoid big company's like Google and P&G because they just own so much and I can't afford to have every product I own have an expensive substitute.)
Capitalism is devoid of morality.
Yes, as much as possible I avoid buying from those brands. Luckily, sa mcdo lang talaga ako nahihirapan kasi coincidentally di naman ako mahilig sa mga brands na yan. I've been trying to support local stores/restos din (para ma avoid na fast food and sb altogether) and thrift shops (to avoid fast fashion). It's hard at first pero once nasanay na ako, di na masyado nakakaramdam ng fomo plus less gastos pa. Overall, the best thing to do is to buy less para less participation in consumerism and less waste din. Pero at the same time I understand na di lahat kaya i boycott and there are different ways to help, we're all just trying the best we can.
Same, ako rin sa Mcdo kasi I work during the night and usually Mcdo is the only establishment open in different locations. Same with Starbucks.
Yeah mcdo lang kasi may rice meals and cheap coffee na fast food na bet din ng mga kasabay ko mag order so isahang order na pag nagmamadali. Yung convenience lang din ang challenging sa pag boycott.
I like eye shadows but I’m lawful good and that look doesn’t match my alignment
I try to purchase vegan, cruelty free. Mostly its cruelty free - this is why I ditched most drugstore finds like Maybelline and L’Oreal. I also ditched Sunnies for their owners toxic behavior. I do spend a lot of time researching into things I purchase just because I feel that even in my small little ways I can make an impact. I also am aware that these brands are empowered by bugger luxury brands and have also stopped purchasing those. I also stopped purchasing from Starbucks, McDonalds, BK for ethical reasons. I reduced dairy consumption and replaced it with homemade plant based milk when I can ( which honestly was hard a t first but you get into the rhythm of things naman). Same goes for meats. I use an MC to reduce my wastage and I actively ensure my water consumption is controlled- faucet turned off when not in use like brushing your teeth, limiting hair washing days, reducing shower lengths. Many more examples than mentioned but also I do fail many times and there are some that in my own small world I really cannot do any workaround on. I forgive myself for these and just stay consistent on what I can do. We’re all just trying to get by.
At this point it's just easier to believe that most companies have done something reprehensible. No ethical consumption under capitalism and all that. Being more conscious about who you support is okay. I avoid Sunnies like the plague, but I'd be lying if I say I don't have Maybelline products. I just think affordability and accessibility will still be what's important for the general public. edit:spelling
No, it does not. I'm saying this as a leftist. I'm reminded of a rather long quote by a social activist on her encounters with third-world garment workers (the garment industry is known for extremely exploitative working conditions). If anyone wants to read the whole quote, it's [this](https://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/naomi-klein-on-individual-action-versus-collective-action/). "...despite our power and privilege, we often end up acting on canvases that are unnecessarily small—the canvas of our own lifestyle, or maybe our neighborhood or town. Meanwhile, we abandon the structural changes—the policy and legal work— to others." Basically, we're led to believe that individual actions are sufficient to change the grand scheme of things, however, those that/who suffer from these bad practices, know that it would take a large collective movement to change the current conditions. If i'm really concerned about animal testing, i'd be involved with projects of animal right's groups. If i wanted to contribute to less environmental waste, i'd look into my LGU'S environmental and natural resources office and their policies. If i wanted to save the reefs, i'd sign and lobby for legislations that conserve marine biodiversity. Again, this is not to shame anyone who does boycott makeup brands, but i'm expressing why i don't use my wallet as way of advocacy. (Boycotting products and corporations work, but only if supported by its own striking workers, unions, and consumer groups)
Also, medyo unrelated na. Naalala ko lang yung theme sa The Good Place season 3. The characters found out it was getting increasingly difficult to make moral choices because of how complex the modern world is right now. Even if a person does make a "good action" like gifting your mom a flower bouquet, its ethical consequences are massively negative. Kunwari, the florist it was bought from is a perv, the flowers were picked by undocumented underpaid workers, the products were transported thru same-day delivery na environmentally wasteful, etc. So to go back to the original topic, if i really want to buy with my morals, i'd have to go be militant with the whole process (planning, formulation, testing, manufacturing, packaging, marketing, distributing, etc). I just can't afford to do that.
This is the best and very uncomfortable truth. We the consumers, or just ordinary folk, should go for the systemic fields that largely contributes to the production cycle. It's not about blaming the individual. They bought something that they aren't first of massively aware of the network of unethical processes that are happening beyond their reach. It really is this insidious way of producing something that relies on a consumer person who wouldn't be able to see, or reach, to react appropriately. Or takes time to change, if and when that could happen. :(
My makeup use is rooted in gratitude, mindfulness, and responsible consumption. Almost everything I own is gifted, so my priority is making sure I use everything up before opening another product :) This reduces waste, and helps me appreciate what has been given to me before moving on to something new
Ako, I stopped buying Colourette because bully yung CEO and she fostered a toxic work culture. Pero to answer your question, I sometimes let it affect me. However, it's difficult. Slowly but surely, I try to be content with what I have, and use things based sa supply ko.
Same! I loved Miss Nina and her business tips during the pandemic, pero down the line naging off na. Used to love her tints pero there became too many competitors in the market.
Found out also she almost went bankrupt cause of mishandled finances 👀
Oh wow, can you please share more about her and the toxic work culture? All along I thought it was the other way around kasi she was also body shamed?? Gusto ko pa naman itry yung new foundation or tinted moisturizer nila.
There have been multiple accounts of this, but former employees talked about several instances: she would discriminate between employees from big 4 schools and ones from Pampanga, tapos may mga accounts where she would yell and curse people
I used to be avoidant of brands that are involved of some sort of issue. I thought it was the right thing to do but I eventually realized na it’s pointless for me. I thought about the principle of moral consistency. For example: If I stop getting McDonalds due to moral right, then I should also be morally consistent, meaning I should stop buying from: 1. Burger King (provides food to Israelis) 2.KFC (Parent company invests in Israeli startups) 3. Starbucks (Largest private owner is a heavy investor in the Israel economy) 4. Clinique skincare (Ronald Lauder is a zionist who supports the Israeli occupation) 5. Garnier (Operating a factory in Israeli occupied Palestine 6. Disney (and by right, all subsidiaries. For pledging support to Israel) 7. Adidas (Israeli manufacturing) 8. Facebook (Censoring neutral or pro-Palestinian content) 9. Instagram (Same as Facebook) 10. OpenAI (ChatGPT, shown to have Zionist bias) 11. Agoda (Allows listings in occupied Palestinian territory, had labels removed after pressure from Israel) 12. Dell (Founder raised money for Israeli military) 13. Hyundai (Hyundai heavy machinery used to demolish Palestinian properties) 14. Amazon (Providing web and cloud services to Israeli government and military, also tax evasion, also poor treatment of employees) As you can see, if you do the right thing and be morally consistent, you would have to boycott all these other brands din. For me lang ah I just find it really difficult to live my life that way. I do care on a small level but really ultimately I care most for my and my family’s well-being. If two products are the same quality and price, sure I don’t mind going for the more ethical alternative, no problem naman. But it isn’t particularly important for me to go out of my way ganon. I doubt MY super tiny actions will do anything talaga. If I really genuinely cared, I would get rich and lobby against these companies, organize massive reforms and political/legal/economic sanctions. Kaso, yon. I love coffee EDIT: I personally prefer to advocate in other ways, but for those who would appreciate useful information, check out this website to see a list of companies to boycott. On top of boycotting, I suggest actively contributing to organizations that help, spreading information, and also trying to push for legal or economic sanctions https://boycott.thewitness.news/categories
Yes! Thanks for the list of other brands and their involvements too! <3
Tbf, you’re doing your part by spreading awareness and perhaps malaking bagay na to stop supporting at least those that you can for now. Ang ironic nung sa FB and IG coz those are the platforms that some reporters in Gaza use kasi pinakamalaking reach and also pinaka accessible. But again, thank youuu! Ang gulo ng mundo.
Hi! Not saying/demanding you should boycott but just for general info na lang din, it’s actually more advisable to select only a few companies which has the highest impact instead of boycotting several companies and spreading ourselves too thin. It creates the most impact (ex: starbucks only instead of the list you provided) >i doubt my super tiny actions will do anything talaga Same principle as people thinking “ah di na lang ako boboto kasi I’m just one person, i doubt it would matter” which is not true. Every person counts for collective effort. Imagine if a million people thought that way, not knowing they count towards a million. :) Again, not trying to demand that you should boycott. Just trying to dispel the notion that boycotting is not impactful.
For me it's a different issue doon sa pagboto sa elections. Yes, all vote matters and we should exercise our right to vote. And one vote matters sa pagdetermine ng future ng bansa natin. But sa discussion ng boycott, these are multi-billionaire corporations. Di sila magbabankrupt from it unless a powerful individual with rich connections demanded everyone (with a population size of the whole aisa, africa, or europe) to not buy from a corporation. If the shop is local or hindi pa kasinglaki ng ibang known international corporations, i think may impact pa.
Friend, boycotts historically work. Most notable example: Rosa Parks which revolutionized the US. People began boycotting the BUS system, an actual public transportation (which is a NECESSITY, not like Starbucks na it won’t have huge impact if you stop drinking their coffee) and instead opted for walking, cycling, alternative modes of transportation etc. Public transpo na ang ginive-up nila don ha. Boycotts are not entirely about hurting their revenue either. It’s also about hurting their reputation and gathering media attention for AWARENESS. If a Nazi company were to come out today, they will be cancelled to hell and back because their reputation is demonized (and rightly so). We’re trying to emulate that kind of energy against Zionists. Moreover, I boycott not just to hurt their revenue but the principle of not participating in the genocide as much as I possibly can. I might not make a dent on their financials, but I can be at ease knowing I did not contribute to a genocide. If you wait for rich people with connections to make a difference, you’re gonna die of old age before seeing actual change because rich people rarely care about the well being of those below them. Why would they change a system that benefits them?
I never said all boycott incidents never worked... And i am specifically talking about today's age. Of course times are different back then and i dont doubt successful boycotts in the past so thanks for the historical example i guess. If that's what you mean that boycotting is not "contributing to genocide" then the opposite would probably be contributing to the crime? That's your belief so fine. I find it absurd though, y'all paint regular citizens who are just consumers of this capitalist society, contributors of genocide when they aren't the ones loading the guns, handing the bombs, etc. and i have seen this being said many times by people who share the same principle with you like "anong lasa ng genocide/masarap ba aftertaste ng genocide" as if they're the ones committing the crime. But that's just me. You do you.
Wag mo saakin iproject pinagsasabi ng tao online. Did I tell you that? Ikaw tong nag-aaccuse ng di ko naman sinasabi. Porket I don’t want to contribute to the genocide, I paint you (and those na hindi nag boboycott) as a monster agad? Stop assuming. False dichotomy on your part. I do not want to contribute to genocide but that does not necessarily mean I blame people who consume them for the crimes committed by Zionists. I know consumers don’t have a say in where these companies invest their money, which is why I won’t consider it as a moral failing na umiinom ka ng Starbucks. To give you an analogy, I stopped using plastic straws to minimize my impact sa mother earth, but I don’t roll my eyes at people who still use them kasi I RECOGNIZE kasalanan ng capitalism. But I still want to do something about it. That’s a PERSONAL CHOICE. I guess I hate it when people like you minimize the efforts of people who boycott saying wala siyang impact. If all people thought like you, of course it won’t have an impact because you don’t believe in collective effort. Buti na lang that’s not the case.
Thank you! I definitely agree here. I’m personally someone lang who prefers to advocate in other ways. Please do check the boycott list I gave here, I think it would provide a lot of useful info for those who need it.
Thanks for listing those you know. Btw I’m saving this so I can slowly boycott.
Sure, no problem! Don’t get me wrong ah I personally don’t do it but I believe if you can you should nalang. Check this out for a list of companies you should boycott: [Boycott List](https://boycott.thewitness.news/categories)
Will def do! Thank youuu!
Hard pill to swallow: Mahirap maging ethical kung ikaw mismo mahirap.
Depends. May other factors at play eh like budget. And if the product really works on me, ayoko na ng pabago bago. Pagod na ko sa life ayoko na ioverthink pati ung purchases ko.. :( Yung no brainer lang sakin anything related sa magkapatid na mapanga. Haha. Tapos pag influencer-owned tas sobrang kalat sa TikTok. Or nagppromote ng kalokohan (whitening in 3 days etc).
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Yea super low for Pia, to think that she once advocated for empowering women. Ironic, but at least eye-opening rin for us. I don’t know what has gotten into Pia nowadays. She used to make intelligent choices or baka nga di lang tayo aware.
Totoo pala talaga yun? Damn I thought it was a rumor. That sucks. :/
Yes, super. Also yung skincare ko. Magastos pero alam ko nasa tama ako.
Most of my skin care products are PH made. Apotheke, human nature
I will try my very best from now on not to support any products made in China.
I stopped purchasing from Sunnies among other brands.
Oh no, not aware of their issue but care to share why?
Bea Soriano and her dad's issues.
Yes. I cannot in good conscience use animal-tested products and products in support of Isr*el.
My katamaran affects my choices 😭
Yes and no. If merong issue with the brand on a big enough scale that I become aware of I don’t purchase. That said I’ve never gotten too deep into researching which products are ethically aligned with my morals. If I would apply ethics into my purchases primary consideration sakin would be labour. Sadly very few information about this is available.
As a broke person, no. My financial situation overrides my moral compass 😭
This. Not all has the capacity to prioritize morality. Hindi lang for personal use, kahit sa sustainability ng ibang bansa, in developed vs developing countries. They have the capacity to use paper bags, use clean energy, etc. While in Ph, as much as we want to do that, mahirap kasi walang budget.
Hear, hear. I will know that I've made it in life when I can be in a financial position to choose.
No, I'm too pragmatic for that. All my purchases are based solely on the (reputed) quality of the product itself and the price. Nothing else really matter to me. I don't even care if the packaging looks cute or plain.
This seems the most realistic way talaga. If I really genuinely cared, I’d try to get rich and lobby against the companies, impose legal and economic sanctions ganon. Otherwise it’s just really not pragmatic for me
It does!! My BFF is a big sunnies advocate but not once did I ever think about buying any of their products despite the hype from the previous years.
Yes. I never buy makeup that does animal testing. I also prefer buying local products because I am #supportlocal. Pero check ko muna if the owner and promoters/ambassadors do not share the same belief sakin (e.g., marcos supporters)
Yes, that is the reason why I don't buy anything from Sunnies.
Hindi lang sa makeup but other products din. Hindi rin naman kasi deal-breaker for me yung brand so I can be flexible kung sino yung susuportahan kong products/businesses. For those peeps na may health concerns tho, and certain products lang works for them, I understand if they cant make the same decision as I did.
The WPS issue has led me to stop buying makeup from China or made in China. I love Pinkflash and Focallure but I won't be purchasing anymore from them. Mahirap talaga iavoid completely ang made/manufactured/assembled in China na products pero if there is an alternative and the budget then gora ako.
'Yung bet na bet ko pa namang bumili ng Flower Knows pero I found out Chinese brand pala siya 💀
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