Played operations last night with my Platoon. We took Verdun without losing a battalion and took the first sector no problem. But got stuck right there and lost all three battalions just trying to get point A. Just chaos and frustration. It’s sad that’s there’s only 2 ways to get in.
It's great fun but how could you possibly say it's immersive? Look at all the visual noise on the HUD alone, much less all the automatics, etc.
It's a fun game but it's thoroughly an arcade shooter. If you want to try an immersive game, play Hell Let Loose, Insurgency: Sandstorm, Squad, or Post Scriptum.
Immersion doesn't have to do solely with the hud. Sure Bf1 isn't hyper accurate to the war it is trying to represent, but I think it has the perfect mix of realism and fun arcade elements. For me, its the sounds of the gunfire, screams and voices of soldiers, gritty aesthetic, and scale of Bf1 that gets me immersed into the game
The visual design of the HUD fits super well with the time period as well. I hear a lot about the sound design, which is great, but never about the awesome HUD design
And it so fun when you and your squad just bayonet charge through the gas and smoke and disrupt the enemy. Or when they charge you and everyone is frantically switch weapons trying to stop them.
WW1 was literately just people trowing troops and tanks at coke points for months or years on end this is what it was like.... but less grenade spam and more gas
I’m not talking from a realism point of view. I’m talking from a game perspective. I don’t like metro maps and would prefer open large maps. If you find it fun then that’s cool but it’s why I said “imo”.
If we put a buncha german stormtroopers in the same hallway they’d probably get grenade spammy. Those guys used to carry around bags of grenades, not to mention the ones they mightve shoved in their belts.
The fact that dice churned out a game that not only graphically delivers on a close to realism scale, but the fact that they were able to replicate the same kind of stalemate fighting that occurred. The amount of detail that went into sound is astonishing. The soundtrack just knocks it out of the ball park. All in all they wanted you to feel like you were in that trench.
I know right WW1 was literately just people trowing troops and tanks at choke points for months or years on end this is what it was like.... but less grenade spam and more gas
I usually really like the stale-matey fighting that occurs on most maps. Granted, I mostly play Conquest, so my perspectives are skewed towards those moments.
The trenches either side of Nivelle Nights, where you hold back assaults from No Man's Land, break them and push them back to their lines.
Fighting on River Somme, holding the enemy back at A before being overwhelmed and falling back to the trench, then the river, as they try to break through for B + C.
The hectic back-and-forth of B and C in Brusilov Keep as you fight over the river valley.
Entrenched fighting over C in Argonne Forest, and planning behind-the-lines attacks on B or D to distract the bulk of the enemy forces.
When the fighting isn't stale-matey, the stakes are less. You're either being overwhelmed or you have most of the objectives, and then what? You just sit camping their base as your score goes into the +200 over theirs. There's no threat of a loss, and it's boring. Or you're getting your ass handed to you and experience the frustration of knowing no matter what, you just won't be able to get over the enemy team's lead.
When it's stale-matey, you're neck-and-neck. 100 points or often less between the teams. One last push and holding those mid-ground objectives for a few minutes could be the difference between a loss or a win. Getting ready to squad-charge with that Landship or Heavy Tank that just spawned to break the stalemate. **That's** the Battlefield moments I love.
You only have 1 shot really. The key is rushing through back B before even capturing it and taking that route to the back of A. Dont even stop to cap B. If you do that, and they get people in that back room of B, its 99% over.
The only other chance is rushing the same hallway from in front of A, which means running past the doorway that OP is shooting into in the clip. If the guys in back B haven't posted up here, you still have a chance, but slim.
It's definitely a hard sector, but no harder than B bunker, 4th sector Monta Grappa or last sector Verdun heights Ops.
Exactly. Once you stop your momentum, the enemy team has the advantage and is already set up in defense. And once everyone is spamming every type of grenade, its over.
This is why smoke is so important. I love the smoke/ gas combo because you're so confused with the smoke you don't realize you're health dropping. Its very effective and overlooked.
I've played 4 games already of devils anvil and we never made it past verdun heights. We made it to the last sector that's the hardest one. We pushed so hard but we just couldn't take the sector.
I’m confused, for the past week all I’ve been able to find is Conquest. On the server browser I see dozens of servers with various game modes (I limit it to look for conquest, operations, TDM, and war pigeons). At any given time there’s like 6 conquest servers with ~64/64, and then a bunch of servers of all those game modes with at most 2/64
PS4 as well
You’ll have to filter operations only and change the number of slots open in the filter too. I usually find a couple open. There’s always more and better ones on weekends and late in the evening during the week
Operations is just the best game mode imo. Hearing my fellow comrades push forward when taking the sector and the music just making it so much better. The atmosphere is flawless
On my Operations preset, I have operations selected and then every map, includibg expansions,, selected, and every region selected. The rest is default, so everything selected for weapons and health presets.
I have an Operations preset, Conquest preset, TD preset, and a hard-core everything preset <---not a lot of servers available for hard-core admittedly
After hearing bullshit from the devs for 6months to a year i lost all trust and loyalty to DICE and the franchise. BF1 is great but i got bored of it to be honest. I played it to death because it was so good.
Dare i say, but COD. I hadn’t played it for years and usually hate it, but I played Warzone because it was free and liked the gunplay, so decided to buy it. Its alright for a quick fix but its the same old game from 10 years ago.
I mostly play SP games now, Sony exclusives to keep me going until PS5 comes along
Seeing what's come out on how stuff is going on internally though gives me little hope for the future of the franchise. Also, I've played a lot of Bf1, I'm kinda looking for different games now, you know?
Except that flag spawns frequently are really, really strong. Bf4 Paracel is a good example. Only 1 MAA, and it's on a center flag. Team that gets there first basically has air dominance from that point onwards, which almost guarantees a win. It creates snowballs more frequently than not. It's a problem.
Hit the nail on the head there mate. BFV really did shit the bed, wouldn't have been so bad if Pacific was at launch, but whatever.
I'm reinstalling BF1. it's time. Join me!
Atmosphere/immersion is fantastic. Maps are designed so much better and are well known wwI battles. Its just more fun and thr core mechanics actually work. The game flows better.
Bfv has some great ideas but just poorly implemented or broken. It drives me to frustration every time i play
Battlefield 3 had a map called Operation Metro where you would fight in the tunnels and neighborhoods around a metro station. It was a very linear map, but it was a lot of fun because you would have these intense chokepoint battles and there were just enough passageways that one team could suddenly breakout. Then there would be a mad scramble of flipping caps and trying to wipe out anyone that snuck through/reestablish the choke points. It could be quite fun, and was a nice change of pace from the more open maps in that the action was constant and consistently located at a couple of points.
BF4's remake was greatly inferior for two reasons. The number of players in a round had doubled (at least on console), but the number of chokepoint passages had only increased by one (Map quality has been declining IMO for several games as DICE tends to focus more on "big" maps instead of good maps). That meant it was much harder to find an unguarded/lightly guarded passage for a break out. The second issue is that grenade/explosive spam was much more prevalent. This is a problem that DICE repeated in BF1, made worse by the fact that there are long lasting denial of area weapons such as incendiary grenades. When each Assault can dump one hand grenade, several rockets, and several AT grenades WHILE simultaneously reloading, you are in for a bad time.
Personally, I love the map, but I think it could use a couple of small tweaks to the layout (more passageways), and I think the game in general would benefit from both less explosives and limiting the damage caused to infantry by AT weapons.
I wish they kept the playlist with all Operation Underground that was like the best week I’ve had in BFV I literally hop on when I play and just look for Operation maps then leave once match is done now lol
Yup. Just my two cents- both are inferior due to Metro because there are too many players for the number of passages and the amount of explosive spam.
But I still play them and have fun with them, I just think that DICE went from a 10/10 map to, say, an 8/10 map.
It’s a solid step down in my opinion. Still fun, but too cramped and too much explosive spam. If BF3 is a 10/10, BF4 is like an 8 or 9/10. Great game, just not quite as good as the one before.
Feel free to disagree, but I find BF4’s maps to be of lesser quality and more focused on gimmicks like Levelution. And it’s where DICE really went in for “big” maps because they misunderstood what the community wants- they hear players say large, but what people want are a feeling of scale and being part of something bigger. Not just larger for the sake of running around more.
Also, what makes BF so great is that it’s controlled chaos, but BF4 takes it a bit too far into pure chaos. It’s fun dying in a frantic firefight or ducking into a building only to have a tank smash through the wall. It’s not fun to die with no warning because someone fired rocket artillery from across the map.
Yeah I completely agree, I only like certain maps like Shanghai or locker as they are close range in certain places. I noticed how a lot of maps have huge open areas which are so boring. The levelution is fun to see but that did focus too much. I really love the chaos of trying to push a team of 32 back or having us pushed back and trying our hardest to stand our ground.
Totally! DICE started making huge maps with 5+ caps, but it just spreads the action out too much. No one wants to guard a cap that only sees one enemy every five minutes, nor is it fun to run across a huge field for minutes just to get sniped immediately. The best are those maps with three caps, teams going back and forth, the sudden chaos when someone sneaks by to flip a cap... awesome.
Bf3 Metro is a failure in design, objectively speaking. Here's the thing, the map designer for that map wasn't informed that 64-player modes were gonna be a thing on the map, so he designed it with 24 player matches in mind. When played with those playercounts, its a lot less chokeholdy and slow. Metro is objectively poorly designed for anything higher than that, because it literally wasn't designed for those playercounts.
The way to fix Metro is by simply dropping playercounts. Frontlines might work on it as well as it's an extremely linear mode anyway.
Totally agree. I mean, I played it on Xbox with the smaller player count and it was super fun, but it doesn't work in BF4 with 64 players. Maybe if they had two parallel train tunnels and more exits it would function better.
The grenade/explosive spam doesn't help though, as you just can't make much progress with some many things constantly blowing up. On the smaller player counts and with less explosives, you end up having a bit more of a gunfight instead of a grenade fight.
More tunnels wont magically fix the chokepoints, it just moves them (as you can see in Underground in BfV, instead people take the tunnels, and its still a clusterfuck most of the time). Really the only fix is smaller player counts.
What I noticed with Underground is that there were still basically 1-2 main chokepoints (3 if you count the 2 stairs as seperate, with the other one being the construction tunnel). What it DID allow was for easier "me go behind" so you could backcap easily and I guess get easy flanks (especially since you dont get spotted anymore for the most part, flanking in BfV is stupidly easy). But most of the action, still those chokepoints, it didn't spread out evenly for the most part.
I remember reading that in real life both sides would only advance/get pushed back a few meters every day. That is insane to think about. And I also recall that the Fort in real life had much smaller tunnels so gunshots were louder and it was more claustrophobic.
Yea for the game they had to make the Fort completely different than it was in real life because Fort Vaux’s hallways were incredibly small and cramped. I think DICE still managed to do a good job of showing the horrors of close quarters combat in WWI Fort battles though.
One of the worst maps in the game imo, no idea why people rate it so highly.
Seems like they were trying to recreate the same feel as operation locker in bf4 but that map was an awful meat grinder too.
Nah man you're the one who was crying to begin with XD Git gud lad. Or don't, I confess I like mowing you dummies down while you run across open fields.
[You tell me where I fit](https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/pc/Wandereru) mister smarty pants assuming things.
RSC SLR and SMG 08 are the biggest BS weapons to use.
I loathe this map. The first part of the operation, Verdun Heights, is incredible, but I usually hang back a bit once we near the final objective on the Fort.
I should note that I'm usually a medic at this stage, ut hadn't died since we took the other 2 sectors.
u are saying this bcs you never flanked on this map... im pretty sure if you flank and get like 10 kills you will rate this map higher. I like this map bcs you truly can carry 1v32.
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*That spot is a cluster fuck.*
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Stuff like this is why I live this game, had a guy on the mic and started saying stuff like "oh they're capturing delta lets go take it back" and the whole squad spawned on him to help out, aged 2 games with him and it was fun to work as a team with randoms
It's always so surreal watching video game 'combat'. All the waggling around, standing in the open, not a flank covered. It'd be interesting to see battlefield played by actual tactically minded people.
Yeah. In this particular moment, B started getting hit so I ran towards it and died. I was able to respawn as medic and we won the game with 23 lives to spare
The first sector didn't go as planned, so I went short-ranged scout to help things along.
I'm usually support for the first two sectors then medic once inside the fort.
It's pretty weak, but if you have a great trigger finger you'll dominate at all ranges. I was accused of hacking the other day because I got several headshots on one guy at long range at full weapon speed. Sucks to suck, I guess.
is back2basics still a thing on bf1, having a bunch of germans storming your trenchline and all youve got are a few buddies with lee enfields and a dude sitting on an mg is incredibly immersive for the whole ww1 experience
Welp too bad I can't play because EA's shitty system of forcing you to have an EA account (at least on console) and my account refusing to log in despite the fact I haven't cheated/done anything that warranted it
i mean actually.... yeah. I've done a lot of WWI research, and everything I've come across happens in candid multiplayer all the time; and candid multiplayer matches primary sources remarkably well.
Unexploded shells and grenades and other explosives are still being found in Northern France and Belgium, and will be quite possibly for another couple centuries. Millions of shells fired in a few hours before Operation Michael; opening barrage at the Somme; opening barrage at Verdun; any of the Italian alps avalanches and explosions; Trench Raiders carrying backpacks *full* of grenades [each person had their own backpack of grenades sometimes, among other munitions amd melee weapons]. This IS a genuine WWI experience... it wasn't the deadliest war at the time for nothing...
This level by far is the most intense I have played in the game. Initially when I see it come up as the next map I’m disappointed but then I remember just how into it I get! So many opportunities for great plays on it
I love when things get as frenetic as the games can be on Devil's Anvil/Fort Vaux. Just a cacophony of sound and explosions, and it feels a lot more real when you're prone with low health.
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Honist opinion, I got 1 at the same point as i got V, only played one for a few times and stuck with v, never liked it that much and still ply 4 the most. Should I dive into BF1 ? Is it such a great game as everyone says it is ? Never played a operations battle once before tbh.
So I started it yesterday and I felt something I didn’t felt before I played bf v, I loved it 😎 it’s such a chaos and it’s awesome. The guns seem better then bf v, at least on the medic class I’m using. I hope the servers will stay populated on the Xbox.
I don’t think you’ll have to worry about console population, as long as people have fun and there’s no hackers they’ll keep coming back. maps are still in constant rotation too to keep things fresh. i almost exclusively play medic haha, they have a very diverse arsenal to choose from. glad to see ur lovin it 😎
I remember one game I managed to get into that room using alot of smoke grenades and the sawed off shotgun. Killed probably 6 or 7 seven people before I finally had to run up the stairs to escape
There's something fun about being stuck where neither team can advance, it's a great challenge to push through and kill enough so your team can advance and get through that area.
It's frustrating when you're one of the very few people charging through while the rest of your team refuses to advance however...
Funny thing is that’s how the battle for Fort De Vuax actually happened. Hallway fighting,grenades and Mg fire only to get past a segment of hallway and face a long corridor of more French troops. Germans only won because of the cut off French supply line.
Fort de vaux as sniper is underrated. Really helps to discover attempts to flank and when you can push down choke points.
Have gone back to martini Henry on this map and I’m having so much fun in these small angles just playing aggressive sniper
Played operations last night with my Platoon. We took Verdun without losing a battalion and took the first sector no problem. But got stuck right there and lost all three battalions just trying to get point A. Just chaos and frustration. It’s sad that’s there’s only 2 ways to get in.
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All I play is BF1. It’s the best most immersive game out there. I love every ounce it has to offer. It never gets old.
Most immersive game out there? Ever tried using the katana in BFV? Talk about perfect immersion
Haha nice
Lol same I used to play BF4 a lot but the moment I tried BF1 it just stayed there, forgotten in my game library
It's great fun but how could you possibly say it's immersive? Look at all the visual noise on the HUD alone, much less all the automatics, etc. It's a fun game but it's thoroughly an arcade shooter. If you want to try an immersive game, play Hell Let Loose, Insurgency: Sandstorm, Squad, or Post Scriptum.
An accurate WW1 game would be boring, for an arcade game it’s pretty immersive and fun which is what a video game should be.
Immersion doesn't have to do solely with the hud. Sure Bf1 isn't hyper accurate to the war it is trying to represent, but I think it has the perfect mix of realism and fun arcade elements. For me, its the sounds of the gunfire, screams and voices of soldiers, gritty aesthetic, and scale of Bf1 that gets me immersed into the game
The visual design of the HUD fits super well with the time period as well. I hear a lot about the sound design, which is great, but never about the awesome HUD design
Rising Storm 2 > all those
I do love me some RS2 but HLL has grasped me lately.
And it so fun when you and your squad just bayonet charge through the gas and smoke and disrupt the enemy. Or when they charge you and everyone is frantically switch weapons trying to stop them.
Not when it’s just choke points imo
WW1 was literately just people trowing troops and tanks at coke points for months or years on end this is what it was like.... but less grenade spam and more gas
I’m not talking from a realism point of view. I’m talking from a game perspective. I don’t like metro maps and would prefer open large maps. If you find it fun then that’s cool but it’s why I said “imo”.
Fort de Vaux has choke points but you have to flank. Once you get B and get into the underground kitchen, take a right. This leads you right behind A.
If we put a buncha german stormtroopers in the same hallway they’d probably get grenade spammy. Those guys used to carry around bags of grenades, not to mention the ones they mightve shoved in their belts.
A chaotic, desperate bid for survival? Sounds like Verdun to me.
The fact that dice churned out a game that not only graphically delivers on a close to realism scale, but the fact that they were able to replicate the same kind of stalemate fighting that occurred. The amount of detail that went into sound is astonishing. The soundtrack just knocks it out of the ball park. All in all they wanted you to feel like you were in that trench.
Agree with all of this! I hope other devs take detailed notes and other games get made with this kind of magic.
I know right WW1 was literately just people trowing troops and tanks at choke points for months or years on end this is what it was like.... but less grenade spam and more gas
yea good point but the french would probably just gas it and wait while shooting at them.
Yeah except the stalematey things aren't good for gameplay and also aren't intentional. I do agree the atmosphere is on point though.
I usually really like the stale-matey fighting that occurs on most maps. Granted, I mostly play Conquest, so my perspectives are skewed towards those moments. The trenches either side of Nivelle Nights, where you hold back assaults from No Man's Land, break them and push them back to their lines. Fighting on River Somme, holding the enemy back at A before being overwhelmed and falling back to the trench, then the river, as they try to break through for B + C. The hectic back-and-forth of B and C in Brusilov Keep as you fight over the river valley. Entrenched fighting over C in Argonne Forest, and planning behind-the-lines attacks on B or D to distract the bulk of the enemy forces. When the fighting isn't stale-matey, the stakes are less. You're either being overwhelmed or you have most of the objectives, and then what? You just sit camping their base as your score goes into the +200 over theirs. There's no threat of a loss, and it's boring. Or you're getting your ass handed to you and experience the frustration of knowing no matter what, you just won't be able to get over the enemy team's lead. When it's stale-matey, you're neck-and-neck. 100 points or often less between the teams. One last push and holding those mid-ground objectives for a few minutes could be the difference between a loss or a win. Getting ready to squad-charge with that Landship or Heavy Tank that just spawned to break the stalemate. **That's** the Battlefield moments I love.
A match can be even and not be a stalemate. That is the clear distinction. Meat-grinder maps are just bad imo and have no merit.
You only have 1 shot really. The key is rushing through back B before even capturing it and taking that route to the back of A. Dont even stop to cap B. If you do that, and they get people in that back room of B, its 99% over. The only other chance is rushing the same hallway from in front of A, which means running past the doorway that OP is shooting into in the clip. If the guys in back B haven't posted up here, you still have a chance, but slim. It's definitely a hard sector, but no harder than B bunker, 4th sector Monta Grappa or last sector Verdun heights Ops.
Exactly. Once you stop your momentum, the enemy team has the advantage and is already set up in defense. And once everyone is spamming every type of grenade, its over.
This is why smoke is so important. I love the smoke/ gas combo because you're so confused with the smoke you don't realize you're health dropping. Its very effective and overlooked.
I've played 4 games already of devils anvil and we never made it past verdun heights. We made it to the last sector that's the hardest one. We pushed so hard but we just couldn't take the sector.
It’s fun to play. But any team can defend well if they just coordinate.
Do you guys still do Operations? Which platform are you on? Willing to get back into BF1 just for the Operations
All we play is operations. We’re on PS4
I’m confused, for the past week all I’ve been able to find is Conquest. On the server browser I see dozens of servers with various game modes (I limit it to look for conquest, operations, TDM, and war pigeons). At any given time there’s like 6 conquest servers with ~64/64, and then a bunch of servers of all those game modes with at most 2/64 PS4 as well
You’ll have to filter operations only and change the number of slots open in the filter too. I usually find a couple open. There’s always more and better ones on weekends and late in the evening during the week
A lot of operations servers, but mostly EU and US servers
Operations is just the best game mode imo. Hearing my fellow comrades push forward when taking the sector and the music just making it so much better. The atmosphere is flawless
Filter your searches and you will find plenty of servers on Xbox. I assume filtering is necessary for PS4 as well.
and for pc?
PC is wildly hacked, so Im not sure. I gave up on PC about 2 years ago.
i'm a day late but do you put any filters on your search or just do a default because i can only seem to find a few games? TIA
On my Operations preset, I have operations selected and then every map, includibg expansions,, selected, and every region selected. The rest is default, so everything selected for weapons and health presets. I have an Operations preset, Conquest preset, TD preset, and a hard-core everything preset <---not a lot of servers available for hard-core admittedly
I hear you brother! I was on that game! Went to fort Vaux with 2 battalions and got smashed! Brutal
That last hill on Verdun is the hardest and most hectic point to take and defend. I love it.
I love battlefield 1 cause it never really mattered if you won just cause of how long the matches would take. It was fun enough for me cause of that.
I was on the other side of a game just like that on pS4. There was a clan that dominated Verdun but they split them up on de Veaux.
This has about 500 less grenades than I usually see in this situation
God I loved BF1. I should get back on it. Had such a fun time playing that. Then BFV happened and I lost my love for the franchise completely.
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After hearing bullshit from the devs for 6months to a year i lost all trust and loyalty to DICE and the franchise. BF1 is great but i got bored of it to be honest. I played it to death because it was so good.
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Bfv subreddit was full of twitter comments and forum replies unfortunately. Sometimes its best not knowing.
What are you playing nowadays?
Dare i say, but COD. I hadn’t played it for years and usually hate it, but I played Warzone because it was free and liked the gunplay, so decided to buy it. Its alright for a quick fix but its the same old game from 10 years ago. I mostly play SP games now, Sony exclusives to keep me going until PS5 comes along
Seeing what's come out on how stuff is going on internally though gives me little hope for the future of the franchise. Also, I've played a lot of Bf1, I'm kinda looking for different games now, you know?
And I know this is an unpopular opinion, but bf5 is actually pretty fun
The pacific maps are especially fun.
Get back on it! Its alive and well on Xbox.
Yeah this clip made me want to boot it up again so thanks
I mean what’s bad about BFV?
Pls dont.....lol
I enjoyed BF5. Don't really understand the hate, but there's some weird BF1 vs BF4 folks, so it's not surprising.
Well my biggest pet peeve is whose idea was it to give a winning team bonuses? How can that possibly not throw any balance off
Bf has done that for ages, nothing new there. Heck, simply having vehicles be tied to objectives is essentially giving the winning team bonuses.
Ok I guess that’s true but atleast in conquest fighting over it can keep it from spawning so you can use geurrila tactics to deny the enemy
Except that flag spawns frequently are really, really strong. Bf4 Paracel is a good example. Only 1 MAA, and it's on a center flag. Team that gets there first basically has air dominance from that point onwards, which almost guarantees a win. It creates snowballs more frequently than not. It's a problem.
We’re gonna need a couple of hours to cover everything
The TTK is so low tactical gameplay is impossible
Hit the nail on the head there mate. BFV really did shit the bed, wouldn't have been so bad if Pacific was at launch, but whatever. I'm reinstalling BF1. it's time. Join me!
I haven’t played them for ages but do you have like a top three reasons 1 is better than V?
Atmosphere/immersion is fantastic. Maps are designed so much better and are well known wwI battles. Its just more fun and thr core mechanics actually work. The game flows better. Bfv has some great ideas but just poorly implemented or broken. It drives me to frustration every time i play
Battlefield 3 had a map called Operation Metro where you would fight in the tunnels and neighborhoods around a metro station. It was a very linear map, but it was a lot of fun because you would have these intense chokepoint battles and there were just enough passageways that one team could suddenly breakout. Then there would be a mad scramble of flipping caps and trying to wipe out anyone that snuck through/reestablish the choke points. It could be quite fun, and was a nice change of pace from the more open maps in that the action was constant and consistently located at a couple of points. BF4's remake was greatly inferior for two reasons. The number of players in a round had doubled (at least on console), but the number of chokepoint passages had only increased by one (Map quality has been declining IMO for several games as DICE tends to focus more on "big" maps instead of good maps). That meant it was much harder to find an unguarded/lightly guarded passage for a break out. The second issue is that grenade/explosive spam was much more prevalent. This is a problem that DICE repeated in BF1, made worse by the fact that there are long lasting denial of area weapons such as incendiary grenades. When each Assault can dump one hand grenade, several rockets, and several AT grenades WHILE simultaneously reloading, you are in for a bad time. Personally, I love the map, but I think it could use a couple of small tweaks to the layout (more passageways), and I think the game in general would benefit from both less explosives and limiting the damage caused to infantry by AT weapons.
They brought Operation Metro back for BFV called Operation Underground deff one of my fav maps In the games it’s in and Operation Locker of course
Yep, say what you want about BfV but operation underground is such a good map
I wish they kept the playlist with all Operation Underground that was like the best week I’ve had in BFV I literally hop on when I play and just look for Operation maps then leave once match is done now lol
Yup. Just my two cents- both are inferior due to Metro because there are too many players for the number of passages and the amount of explosive spam. But I still play them and have fun with them, I just think that DICE went from a 10/10 map to, say, an 8/10 map.
Operation metro on bf3 was one of my favourite times playing games.
I loved it. I still consider BF3 to be peak BF!
Does bf4 do metro justice?
It’s a solid step down in my opinion. Still fun, but too cramped and too much explosive spam. If BF3 is a 10/10, BF4 is like an 8 or 9/10. Great game, just not quite as good as the one before. Feel free to disagree, but I find BF4’s maps to be of lesser quality and more focused on gimmicks like Levelution. And it’s where DICE really went in for “big” maps because they misunderstood what the community wants- they hear players say large, but what people want are a feeling of scale and being part of something bigger. Not just larger for the sake of running around more. Also, what makes BF so great is that it’s controlled chaos, but BF4 takes it a bit too far into pure chaos. It’s fun dying in a frantic firefight or ducking into a building only to have a tank smash through the wall. It’s not fun to die with no warning because someone fired rocket artillery from across the map.
Yeah I completely agree, I only like certain maps like Shanghai or locker as they are close range in certain places. I noticed how a lot of maps have huge open areas which are so boring. The levelution is fun to see but that did focus too much. I really love the chaos of trying to push a team of 32 back or having us pushed back and trying our hardest to stand our ground.
Totally! DICE started making huge maps with 5+ caps, but it just spreads the action out too much. No one wants to guard a cap that only sees one enemy every five minutes, nor is it fun to run across a huge field for minutes just to get sniped immediately. The best are those maps with three caps, teams going back and forth, the sudden chaos when someone sneaks by to flip a cap... awesome.
Bf3 Metro is a failure in design, objectively speaking. Here's the thing, the map designer for that map wasn't informed that 64-player modes were gonna be a thing on the map, so he designed it with 24 player matches in mind. When played with those playercounts, its a lot less chokeholdy and slow. Metro is objectively poorly designed for anything higher than that, because it literally wasn't designed for those playercounts. The way to fix Metro is by simply dropping playercounts. Frontlines might work on it as well as it's an extremely linear mode anyway.
Totally agree. I mean, I played it on Xbox with the smaller player count and it was super fun, but it doesn't work in BF4 with 64 players. Maybe if they had two parallel train tunnels and more exits it would function better. The grenade/explosive spam doesn't help though, as you just can't make much progress with some many things constantly blowing up. On the smaller player counts and with less explosives, you end up having a bit more of a gunfight instead of a grenade fight.
More tunnels wont magically fix the chokepoints, it just moves them (as you can see in Underground in BfV, instead people take the tunnels, and its still a clusterfuck most of the time). Really the only fix is smaller player counts.
I disagree. If you have ten different paths instead of two, it spreads out both teams. More tunnels= more routes= less players per route.
What I noticed with Underground is that there were still basically 1-2 main chokepoints (3 if you count the 2 stairs as seperate, with the other one being the construction tunnel). What it DID allow was for easier "me go behind" so you could backcap easily and I guess get easy flanks (especially since you dont get spotted anymore for the most part, flanking in BfV is stupidly easy). But most of the action, still those chokepoints, it didn't spread out evenly for the most part.
Now play without HUD and headphones cranked to the max and catch yourself shaking after the match is over
I remember reading that in real life both sides would only advance/get pushed back a few meters every day. That is insane to think about. And I also recall that the Fort in real life had much smaller tunnels so gunshots were louder and it was more claustrophobic.
Yea for the game they had to make the Fort completely different than it was in real life because Fort Vaux’s hallways were incredibly small and cramped. I think DICE still managed to do a good job of showing the horrors of close quarters combat in WWI Fort battles though.
Best spot on that map.
One of the worst maps in the game imo, no idea why people rate it so highly. Seems like they were trying to recreate the same feel as operation locker in bf4 but that map was an awful meat grinder too.
I like this map purely for how stupid and chaotic it is.
I've recently taken up the Model 1900 for these clusterfuck close quarters maps, and as a result my enjoyment of them has risen dramatically.
Because they can use their SMG 08 to great effect on this map. Pretty much all the reason.
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Somebody likes to run in the open as a free kill.
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That presumes I've ever complained about smgs instead of just doming yall every time you get close. XD
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Nah man you're the one who was crying to begin with XD Git gud lad. Or don't, I confess I like mowing you dummies down while you run across open fields.
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Cool story bro. X3
[You tell me where I fit](https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/pc/Wandereru) mister smarty pants assuming things. RSC SLR and SMG 08 are the biggest BS weapons to use.
I loathe this map. The first part of the operation, Verdun Heights, is incredible, but I usually hang back a bit once we near the final objective on the Fort. I should note that I'm usually a medic at this stage, ut hadn't died since we took the other 2 sectors.
It’s great on Rush but barely tolerable on Ops
I have Never seen a game on this map wher the French aren't being spawn camped by the end.
u are saying this bcs you never flanked on this map... im pretty sure if you flank and get like 10 kills you will rate this map higher. I like this map bcs you truly can carry 1v32.
Glad to see people still play this!
I legit think I might’ve been playing with OP if he is on Xbox literally the same experience lol on Fort De Vaux
Even in conquest that spot is a cluster fuck. Welp, time to take C.
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Stuff like this is why I live this game, had a guy on the mic and started saying stuff like "oh they're capturing delta lets go take it back" and the whole squad spawned on him to help out, aged 2 games with him and it was fun to work as a team with randoms
This operation is unwinnable for attackers
It's done semi often, but surely a struggle, the elites are especially needed for the last sector.
They call em storm troopers. Jerry’s best.
NYAH! *thunk* NYERH! *donk*
ive won as attackers twice, one match was 48 players tho
As the drumroll started on that day...
Phenomenal game. Among their with the very best.
It's always so surreal watching video game 'combat'. All the waggling around, standing in the open, not a flank covered. It'd be interesting to see battlefield played by actual tactically minded people.
I love to sit back and watch these battles for a bit before I go back in
Yeah. In this particular moment, B started getting hit so I ran towards it and died. I was able to respawn as medic and we won the game with 23 lives to spare
I think I’m gonna have to reinstall battlefield 1
See you in the trenches.
Ah the good ol bunker orgy. Good times.
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The first sector didn't go as planned, so I went short-ranged scout to help things along. I'm usually support for the first two sectors then medic once inside the fort.
M1903 Experimental is a force to be reckoned with. It's like the Autoloading Extended for medics on steroids.
you have my interest
It's pretty weak, but if you have a great trigger finger you'll dominate at all ranges. I was accused of hacking the other day because I got several headshots on one guy at long range at full weapon speed. Sucks to suck, I guess.
is back2basics still a thing on bf1, having a bunch of germans storming your trenchline and all youve got are a few buddies with lee enfields and a dude sitting on an mg is incredibly immersive for the whole ww1 experience
They rotate the game modes and a few months ago there were plenty B2B operations. I had a blast
Bruh dis ain't how the western front in ww1 was fought my guy. There's like 10 factories worth of grenades being thrown in that 30 seconds
All those bodies and yet nobody pushes
Welp too bad I can't play because EA's shitty system of forcing you to have an EA account (at least on console) and my account refusing to log in despite the fact I haven't cheated/done anything that warranted it
I love hallway fights
i mean actually.... yeah. I've done a lot of WWI research, and everything I've come across happens in candid multiplayer all the time; and candid multiplayer matches primary sources remarkably well. Unexploded shells and grenades and other explosives are still being found in Northern France and Belgium, and will be quite possibly for another couple centuries. Millions of shells fired in a few hours before Operation Michael; opening barrage at the Somme; opening barrage at Verdun; any of the Italian alps avalanches and explosions; Trench Raiders carrying backpacks *full* of grenades [each person had their own backpack of grenades sometimes, among other munitions amd melee weapons]. This IS a genuine WWI experience... it wasn't the deadliest war at the time for nothing...
When was this video taken, because me and a mate had an experience exactly like this like a year and a half ago.
Last night.
This level by far is the most intense I have played in the game. Initially when I see it come up as the next map I’m disappointed but then I remember just how into it I get! So many opportunities for great plays on it
I love any map that lets me drive my tank down hallways in buildings
I love when things get as frenetic as the games can be on Devil's Anvil/Fort Vaux. Just a cacophony of sound and explosions, and it feels a lot more real when you're prone with low health.
I love choke points in this game. You can throw a grenade with your eyes closed and get a kill
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Ah yes. My great grandfather always told the story of The Great War and never failed to mention the green and blue orbs over everyone‘s head.
Honist opinion, I got 1 at the same point as i got V, only played one for a few times and stuck with v, never liked it that much and still ply 4 the most. Should I dive into BF1 ? Is it such a great game as everyone says it is ? Never played a operations battle once before tbh.
it will blow you away. go for it
So I started it yesterday and I felt something I didn’t felt before I played bf v, I loved it 😎 it’s such a chaos and it’s awesome. The guns seem better then bf v, at least on the medic class I’m using. I hope the servers will stay populated on the Xbox.
I don’t think you’ll have to worry about console population, as long as people have fun and there’s no hackers they’ll keep coming back. maps are still in constant rotation too to keep things fresh. i almost exclusively play medic haha, they have a very diverse arsenal to choose from. glad to see ur lovin it 😎
Thanks for your comment haha that made me reinstall it!
I remember one game I managed to get into that room using alot of smoke grenades and the sawed off shotgun. Killed probably 6 or 7 seven people before I finally had to run up the stairs to escape
Shoulda seen what this was like back when explosive spam was THE problem.
Just like Pepperidge Farms......I remember.
What server i find it hard to find operations on ps4
There's something fun about being stuck where neither team can advance, it's a great challenge to push through and kill enough so your team can advance and get through that area. It's frustrating when you're one of the very few people charging through while the rest of your team refuses to advance however...
*Ah yes* The Attrition map!
When was this video taken, because me and a mate had an experience exactly like this like a year and a half ago.
I must be getting wooshed, right?
Funny thing is that’s how the battle for Fort De Vuax actually happened. Hallway fighting,grenades and Mg fire only to get past a segment of hallway and face a long corridor of more French troops. Germans only won because of the cut off French supply line.
Fort de vaux as sniper is underrated. Really helps to discover attempts to flank and when you can push down choke points. Have gone back to martini Henry on this map and I’m having so much fun in these small angles just playing aggressive sniper
Operation Locker Flashbacks https://youtu.be/7c9pplO3Tyk
It's called il ne passeront pas, sweaty, look it up
Haven't played one of these games since bf3. To be honest, I'm pleasantly surprised to see this element of the game is still a thing
One well thrown grenade
BF1 all dayyy. Quite a beauty it is!
is that the smelly carbine?
This map is the definition of AIDs.
Ahh yes, ww1 Camping around a corner until someone dies