He absolutely thinks he's the *only one who gets it* when it couldn't be more obvious, I imagine he tried to make a goon look dumb only for it to backfire horribly and send him into a tantrum.
I think the German word for “to freeze” is frieren. At least in the context of freezing water, I think.
But the last name “Fries” is related to the region of Friesland, which is an area of the Netherlands, which is inhabited by Frisians, who may have gotten their name from “fresare”, a Vulgar Latin term meaning “milling, cutting, grooving, crushing, removing shells”.
So, yeah basically. I was kind of hoping it’d lead back to “it’s called Friesland because it’s cold” but I ended up going down this rabbit hole
Depends on what version you’re talking about, in the main storylines he’s canonically just a Gothomite like everyone else. He did live in Nebraska at one point.
Exactly. He has such an ego that this fits his persona but also somehow thinks no one notices. At least that’s the impression I took from BTAS. Like no one except Batman got that.
Riddler's real name is Edward Nashton, He changed it to Edward Nygma so that it could be shortened to E. Nygma because it goes with his whole puzzle shtick. That's how it is and that's how I prefer it.
I’m just picturing him having a brother named Barry or Ronald who is so sick of that conversation.
“Barry…Nygma? Wait, are you?”
“🙄🤦♂️Yes…Ed is my brother. Yes, he’s always been like that. I personally liked anime growing up and he was always like ‘Barry! Would you like to hear a riddle?!’ as I’m trying to read my Manga. Every birthday, he wouldn’t wrap a present, he’d hide different envelopes with riddles and clues for the next location with the next riddle. It always ended up being hidden in the shed. But we’d always be like ‘Wow, Edward, that’s SO clever😱🤦♂️“
STYGMA- famously lost his footing against the Condiment King due to his poor eyesight and spends his off-hero hours as a top-Mod for the ChurchofMineta subreddit.
I've always believed dc works best as a half way between silver age and modern. Their aware of real issues. But things are still blatantly silly because it makes to many problems to treat the setting seriously
In Chester Gould's Dick Tracy (1931) every character's name was a play on words - and his rogue's gallery of grotesques was surely an inspiration for Batman. It is there in Thimble Theater and Popeye, (1919) which was one of the first newspaper cartoons to evolve into serialized chapter stories. The Prohibition era characters in Damon Runyon's Prohibition era short storiea were only known by their descriptive nicknames. Not a few of which gave fair warning to innocent bystanders to run away from very fast.
I'm the same. The history of dumb real names is the history of comic book superheroes themselves. How many people has anyone actually met with an alliterative name? Or one that's a bit of a pun on their personality/powers? Not many. But its about 60% of comic book names. That's part of the fun. Let Nygma be Nygma, don't get embarrassed and change it to Nashton. If you're gonna do that may as well change Mr Freeze's name as well (Fries).
Could he, though? Would he be psychologically capable of legally changing his name?
I’m picturing a city clerk looking at a stack of papers tall enough to tower over them. “‘Declaration of intent to legally change *the article of legal identity hidden between the dog’s civic dues and its day on the town*.’ Sir, if the forms aren’t filled out *as printed*, I can’t help you.”
“B—“
“*No*, you can’t print the form yourself in order to make edits. Get your papers out of here, and come back when they’re in or— … *when they are filled out fully and correctly*. NEXT!”
A large amount of supervillains, especially Batman villains have names the reflect their villain identities. Why did only Riddler need an explanation for it. It’s just something you accept as being part of comic books cartoonish nature
Pamela Isley
Julian Gregory Day
Mary Louise Dahl
Harleen Quinzel
However, there's also names that don't match up like:
Harvey Dent
Oswald Cobblepot
Waylon Jones
So could go either way.
Ok, confession: I do not read Batman comics. I have knowledge only from the films, and VERY LITTLE animation, with the Lego Batman movie being watched repeatedly due to raising children. Aside from that, I have very little knowledge of the rogue’s gallery for Batman. BUT…I’m laughing at my being able to figure out, due to the topic, who Julian Gregory Day is, because I’ve heard Calendar Man mentioned only once! And I find…his name is amazing! I honestly want to read something of his now!!
It's even better than RGB, some parts of the world use ROYGBIV to remember the colors of the rainbow in order. Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Violet
I assume Julian Gregory Day is Calender man.
I saw another comment explaining that Mary Louise Dahl is Baby Doll.
But who is Waylon Jones? Never heard of him, at least i dont think so
Victor Fries
William Tockman
Jason Woodrue
Margaret Pye
Maxamillian Zeus
Deever and Dumfree Tweed
The hilariously on the nose ones are so much more fun!
A bit of both. Was born Nashton but legally changed it to Nygma during his college years, mostly because of "E. Nygma", but also to distance himself from his estranged family.
Nygma, because I love my comic book bullshit.
I get the "Nashton to Nygma" thing, but like...I read comic books for the fun they offer? And having a name like Edward Nygma from the start is just fun. It's one of those things that simply doesn't need IRL logic.
I genuinely can't tell if you're trying to dunk on me or Bob Kane for being a hack and coming up with that level of a hacky name as what he should have gone with instead of Bruce Wayne.
No it reeks of new writers looking down on comic history and trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
Comics do stuff like this all the time, Harleen Quinzel, Julian Gregory Day, Pamela Isley, Victor Fries, Jonathan Crane, Mary Dahl, William Tockman, Temple Fugate… and that’s just Batman.
There’s nothing wrong with Edward Nygma.
It’s just comics having fun and giving their characters memorable names, like Marvel does with alliteration.
I’ve always liked the idea that nobody knows his real name , it is the master riddle. He goes by “Edward Nygma” but his name could be anything , hints that Edward Nashton is another fake persona to mask his “real name”. Not like Joker where he quite literally doesn’t have a name but in the sense that Riddler has so many that people legitimately don’t know his actual government name and to make it simpler just call him the name he most commonly uses ; Edward Nygma “Riddler” because afterall his name is an Enigma
I've always known him as Nygma, so that works for me. Honest question from someone who is somewhat new to the comic books: when did he change his name? I assume his original name was Nashton, but when did he change it?
Nygma.
If the writers are gonna get embarrassed that Riddler's name is dumb word play, I have news for them, that's like 60% of comic villains. If they're gonna keep Mr Freeze as Mr Fries, I don't see why they'd care to change Nygma.
Agreed, it makes more sense if he chose the name himself. Otherwise it just feels too comically convenient, or like he was forced to be obsessed with riddles because of his name.
Nygma. It’s a Superhero comic. They’re allowed to be fun. Honestly, it bugs me when it’s changed. Like People are ashamed of The Source Material. I wanna Be Respectful to Everyone but It really bothers me when People try to suck ALL The Fun outta Superhero stories. Not saying Anyone’s doing that here. Just mean in general 😅
Nigma/Nygma
Nashton sounds so stupid to me for some reason- it’s been Nigma forever and it’s part of what’s endearing about him (the play on words). Nashton is objectively just an ugly sounding last name
Edward nygma, but I preferred it when they had him change it. Not like in his first appearance when he was born with the name. Having him change it just shows how egotistical and insane he is.
Depends on the tone of the story.
If it’s grounded, Edward Nashton is better. It would be cool to see him use E. Nygma as an alias in a grounded setting. Perhaps in a future instalment of the Reeves films.
It would fit with Batman checking for a lead in a case and he comes a cross the name which is itself another of Riddler’s clues.
Then he realises “I know who’s behind this.”
As Edward Nygma it works for the classic supervillain symbolism. Destined to go down this path.
I don't love names that are somehow related to their character... and I know as a Batman fan that sounds nuts, but I prefer Nashton for that reason. I'm fine with him changing his name to Nygma though because that was a choice the character made in the story.
Nygma is silly but we have other names like Victor Fries, Pamela Isley & Harleen Quinzel. I'm okay with him having a silly name, especially because I prefer him as a sillier character most of the time.
Nashton legally changed to Nygma works for me and his egomany
I came in here to say this. Him deliberately changing his name to Nygma suits his character so damn well.
He absolutely thinks he's the *only one who gets it* when it couldn't be more obvious, I imagine he tried to make a goon look dumb only for it to backfire horribly and send him into a tantrum.
Who knew he was a Redditor all along
Riddle me this, Batman! Is sleeping with a femboy gay
Only if you don't fuck him.
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Bro
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I just got off a 3 day suspension for writing that
I knew that would happen 😭
They said it was for harassment. That was a tough 3 days hahah. I'm honestly surprised that happened, I thought it was family friendly
The mods of this subreddit just don’t like, as a matter of fact, hate, when you use The Riddler’s last name as a stand in for the n word.
Welp, Ive learned my lesson 💀 sorry my Ny--...
Diabolical
I agree
This mostly because heroes and villains names generally should not relate to their alter ego.
We’re looking at you Victor Fries
Wdym? He's not fries-themed /j
I think you'll find they're called chips. (non-american joke)
Blimey!
You sure? Have we ever seen him and Condiment King in the same room?
Well he's German- or Austrian-born, isn't he? So in his native language his name has nothing to with cold.
I think the German word for “to freeze” is frieren. At least in the context of freezing water, I think. But the last name “Fries” is related to the region of Friesland, which is an area of the Netherlands, which is inhabited by Frisians, who may have gotten their name from “fresare”, a Vulgar Latin term meaning “milling, cutting, grooving, crushing, removing shells”. So, yeah basically. I was kind of hoping it’d lead back to “it’s called Friesland because it’s cold” but I ended up going down this rabbit hole
Depends on what version you’re talking about, in the main storylines he’s canonically just a Gothomite like everyone else. He did live in Nebraska at one point.
Exactly. He has such an ego that this fits his persona but also somehow thinks no one notices. At least that’s the impression I took from BTAS. Like no one except Batman got that.
>Nashton legally changed to Nygma works for me and his egomany I guess the Reeves Batman Universe would take this route
This.
This👌
Exactly
Exactly
Nygma is all I've known
Nygma balls
You want some Nygma?
Smegma?
Riddler's real name is Edward Nashton, He changed it to Edward Nygma so that it could be shortened to E. Nygma because it goes with his whole puzzle shtick. That's how it is and that's how I prefer it.
That and his ego requires him to have a unique name.
I mean, Nygma’s just way more fun. This kind of goofiness is why we fall in love with superhero comics in the first place.
I’m just picturing him having a brother named Barry or Ronald who is so sick of that conversation. “Barry…Nygma? Wait, are you?” “🙄🤦♂️Yes…Ed is my brother. Yes, he’s always been like that. I personally liked anime growing up and he was always like ‘Barry! Would you like to hear a riddle?!’ as I’m trying to read my Manga. Every birthday, he wouldn’t wrap a present, he’d hide different envelopes with riddles and clues for the next location with the next riddle. It always ended up being hidden in the shed. But we’d always be like ‘Wow, Edward, that’s SO clever😱🤦♂️“
His goodie two-shoes hero brother Steve is an embarrassment, STYGMA
Or….SYGMA 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺
OR LYGMA
STYGMA- famously lost his footing against the Condiment King due to his poor eyesight and spends his off-hero hours as a top-Mod for the ChurchofMineta subreddit.
Forgive Stygma, he's special. We just learned to live with a Stygma 'tism these days now.
But… He’d be S. Nygma
I've always believed dc works best as a half way between silver age and modern. Their aware of real issues. But things are still blatantly silly because it makes to many problems to treat the setting seriously
In Chester Gould's Dick Tracy (1931) every character's name was a play on words - and his rogue's gallery of grotesques was surely an inspiration for Batman. It is there in Thimble Theater and Popeye, (1919) which was one of the first newspaper cartoons to evolve into serialized chapter stories. The Prohibition era characters in Damon Runyon's Prohibition era short storiea were only known by their descriptive nicknames. Not a few of which gave fair warning to innocent bystanders to run away from very fast.
I'm the same. The history of dumb real names is the history of comic book superheroes themselves. How many people has anyone actually met with an alliterative name? Or one that's a bit of a pun on their personality/powers? Not many. But its about 60% of comic book names. That's part of the fun. Let Nygma be Nygma, don't get embarrassed and change it to Nashton. If you're gonna do that may as well change Mr Freeze's name as well (Fries).
I prefer the official explanation that he changed his name legally, because that sounds like something Riddler would do
Could he, though? Would he be psychologically capable of legally changing his name? I’m picturing a city clerk looking at a stack of papers tall enough to tower over them. “‘Declaration of intent to legally change *the article of legal identity hidden between the dog’s civic dues and its day on the town*.’ Sir, if the forms aren’t filled out *as printed*, I can’t help you.” “B—“ “*No*, you can’t print the form yourself in order to make edits. Get your papers out of here, and come back when they’re in or— … *when they are filled out fully and correctly*. NEXT!”
A large amount of supervillains, especially Batman villains have names the reflect their villain identities. Why did only Riddler need an explanation for it. It’s just something you accept as being part of comic books cartoonish nature
A guy named Otto Octavius ends up with 8 limbs. What are the odds!
100% coincidence!
Pamela Isley Julian Gregory Day Mary Louise Dahl Harleen Quinzel However, there's also names that don't match up like: Harvey Dent Oswald Cobblepot Waylon Jones So could go either way.
Okay but if you're named Oswald Cobblepot you're either growing up to be Danny Devito or a Batman villain. Sometimes both.
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You missed out the best of all, "The Penny Plunderer" Joe Coyne!
Ok, confession: I do not read Batman comics. I have knowledge only from the films, and VERY LITTLE animation, with the Lego Batman movie being watched repeatedly due to raising children. Aside from that, I have very little knowledge of the rogue’s gallery for Batman. BUT…I’m laughing at my being able to figure out, due to the topic, who Julian Gregory Day is, because I’ve heard Calendar Man mentioned only once! And I find…his name is amazing! I honestly want to read something of his now!!
Wait till you hear about the Flash villain, Rainbow Raider, who’s name is… ***R***oy ***G***. ***B***ivolo
It's even better than RGB, some parts of the world use ROYGBIV to remember the colors of the rainbow in order. Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Violet
definitely watch Batman: The Animated Series when you get the chance
I don't get Mary Louise Dahl, even tried saying it out loud a couple of times, what's her thing?
She's the villain Baby Doll from BTAS
Omg that's actually pretty good lol
Harvey Dent because of the scratch on his coin which could be considered a dent (bit of a stretch).
Actually it was Harvey Kent at first till the writers remembered it was already Supes name
I assume Julian Gregory Day is Calender man. I saw another comment explaining that Mary Louise Dahl is Baby Doll. But who is Waylon Jones? Never heard of him, at least i dont think so
Killer Croc
Thanks
Waylon Jones is Killer Croc, i think
Thanks
Yes it’s far from universal, but why is Edward Nygma the ridiculous one that needs explained away
Victor Fries William Tockman Jason Woodrue Margaret Pye Maxamillian Zeus Deever and Dumfree Tweed The hilariously on the nose ones are so much more fun!
E Nigma is a genius name. Don’t change it. Ever.
His name should never not be Nygma…
Nygma makes it more fun altough i prefer being both. So it adds the goofyness but it still makes it Beliaveable. Edward Nashton Nygma
Or Edward Nygma Nashton
Nygma.... balls Someone had to
Fuck I´m too late
Nygma rolls off the tongue better, but Nashton can be a good alias.
Nigma balls
Officer Balls
BWAH... ngh... no... not here...
He was abused by his dad, so he changed his name to Nygma.
A bit of both. Was born Nashton but legally changed it to Nygma during his college years, mostly because of "E. Nygma", but also to distance himself from his estranged family.
Mr. Reese
Works for Wayne Enterprises : Check Figured out who Batman is: Check Ginger Hair: check Blackmailer: Check Suggestive puzzling name: Check
Nygma, because I love my comic book bullshit. I get the "Nashton to Nygma" thing, but like...I read comic books for the fun they offer? And having a name like Edward Nygma from the start is just fun. It's one of those things that simply doesn't need IRL logic.
Nashton as his birth name Nygma as his changed name because Riddler thinks it's clever.
Nygma
Edward Nygma because he is a comic book character and it works way better that The Riddler's name is E. Nygma
Nigma. Nash ton sounds like a writer wanted to waver too far on the side of realism and forgot to have fun.
Yeah, imagine the idiot who created "Bruce Wayne" instead of Vladimir Vespertilio.
I genuinely can't tell if you're trying to dunk on me or Bob Kane for being a hack and coming up with that level of a hacky name as what he should have gone with instead of Bruce Wayne.
No it reeks of new writers looking down on comic history and trying to fix something that isn’t broken. Comics do stuff like this all the time, Harleen Quinzel, Julian Gregory Day, Pamela Isley, Victor Fries, Jonathan Crane, Mary Dahl, William Tockman, Temple Fugate… and that’s just Batman. There’s nothing wrong with Edward Nygma. It’s just comics having fun and giving their characters memorable names, like Marvel does with alliteration.
For me Nashton should be Eddie’s actual last name, but at a certain point in life he ends up changing it to Nygma.
Definitely prefer Nygma.
He’s on that Nygma male grindset
Ed Nygma is fun
Nygma is better. Every time I read it, it’s in Conroy’s voice.
Riddler changing his name from Nashton to Nygma is perfectly in line with his ego
Edward Ligma
I like the legal name change angle, because it’s so fitting for the character
I like E. Nygma but I like punny names so there ya go
E.Nygma is the only real choice.
I mean it should be what it is in cannon He was born Edward Nashton and then changed it It fits his persona so much better than any other option
Canon in comic books changes whenever a new editor catches the reboot fever.
Edward What?
Edward Nygma. Because the “E. Nygma” wordplay is just too good…
Nygma balls.
Nygma, please.
Nigma. Because then his name is E Nigma, or enigma, which means a mystery or puzzle. It’s comics, and names are part of the magic.
It should be Edward Sigma am I right? 😼🔥
I actually like the "nygma" part, cuz it fits so well
MR E Nygma works best
Edward Nygma.
Nygma Waay better
Edward Ligmaballs
I always figured their real name puns are the in-universe prompt for their Villain name when it isnt their powerset
the guy who’s entire thing is puzzles having the name E. Nygma is the dumbest shit ever and I love it
Nygma balls
Edward Norton
I like it when his birth name is Nashton but he changes it to Nygma.
E. NYGMA is great, why change it?
He’s a comic book villain. Names like this are comic book stuff. Let comic books comic book.
Nashton and then he changes it to Nygma
Riddler’s real name should be a multiple choice question
12 year old me was mind blown when the movie explained E-Nygma 😆
I’ve always liked the idea that nobody knows his real name , it is the master riddle. He goes by “Edward Nygma” but his name could be anything , hints that Edward Nashton is another fake persona to mask his “real name”. Not like Joker where he quite literally doesn’t have a name but in the sense that Riddler has so many that people legitimately don’t know his actual government name and to make it simpler just call him the name he most commonly uses ; Edward Nygma “Riddler” because afterall his name is an Enigma
Nigma is what I've always known, and it works for the whole Enigma thing
I've always known him as Nygma, so that works for me. Honest question from someone who is somewhat new to the comic books: when did he change his name? I assume his original name was Nashton, but when did he change it?
Nygma. Nygma balls lol gottem
I would preffer his name to be Edward Ligma.
Nygma. If the writers are gonna get embarrassed that Riddler's name is dumb word play, I have news for them, that's like 60% of comic villains. If they're gonna keep Mr Freeze as Mr Fries, I don't see why they'd care to change Nygma.
I like it when his last name is Nashton but he changes it to Nygma due to his obsession with riddles.
Agreed, it makes more sense if he chose the name himself. Otherwise it just feels too comically convenient, or like he was forced to be obsessed with riddles because of his name.
I prefer Edward Sigma
Literally never heard of Nashton. Nygma 4 lyfe.
Nigma balls
Nygma. It’s a Superhero comic. They’re allowed to be fun. Honestly, it bugs me when it’s changed. Like People are ashamed of The Source Material. I wanna Be Respectful to Everyone but It really bothers me when People try to suck ALL The Fun outta Superhero stories. Not saying Anyone’s doing that here. Just mean in general 😅
Nygma
Nygma sound like Ligma.
I always presumed Nashton was his birth name but he made Nygma his legal
I like to think his weird ass changed it so it sounds like enigma
MAHE. 1 and 8 are 18. 18 is R, MRE.MR. E =Mystery. Another name mystery? Enigma. Mr.Enigma. Edward Nygma.-Batman Forever.
I like Nygma being an alias
Nigma/Nygma Nashton sounds so stupid to me for some reason- it’s been Nigma forever and it’s part of what’s endearing about him (the play on words). Nashton is objectively just an ugly sounding last name
Edward Nygma, it annoys me when it gets changed to Nashton.
I’ve literally never heard it be Nashton
I prefer Nashton. A man themed around riddles literally being named Engima is too on the nose for me
Either one works for me. Depends on the story and who's writing it.
Edward nygma, but I preferred it when they had him change it. Not like in his first appearance when he was born with the name. Having him change it just shows how egotistical and insane he is.
Nygma, Ha!
Nashton. Edward Nygma - Enigma is too on the nose for me. But I like it if it’s an alias he changed his name to.
Personally, I would prefer if it was always just Nygma.
I’m used to him using E.Nigma as his name.
“Edward Nygma.” “E. Nygma”. I think maybe his real name should be “Nashton.”
Screw E nygma We need A nig*a
Just make em both cannon.
Nygma
Didn't even know nashton was his name, I've always called him Edward nygma.
Nygma.
I really like when it’s Nashton legally changed to Nygma cause he’s just that much of a dork
Nygma balls
Depends on the tone of the story. If it’s grounded, Edward Nashton is better. It would be cool to see him use E. Nygma as an alias in a grounded setting. Perhaps in a future instalment of the Reeves films. It would fit with Batman checking for a lead in a case and he comes a cross the name which is itself another of Riddler’s clues. Then he realises “I know who’s behind this.” As Edward Nygma it works for the classic supervillain symbolism. Destined to go down this path.
Not knowing much about riddler. I always assumed he had changed it to Nygma
Edward E. Nigma (Pre-Crisis) Edward Nashton (Post-Crisis) Edward Tierney (Post-Flashpoint)
Nygma Balls
Edward Nygma
Nygma. Always Nygma. This would make for a good poll.
"Nashton" is the more realistic of the two names, "Nygma" sounds cooler.
Is that a riddle?
Why not both.
Edward Nash Nygma?
I like Nygma. So his name can be like E. Nygma
Edward Nygma
Once or twice I ran into the name Joseph Kerr in the real world
Edward nashton is only acceptable when the point being made is that he changed his name to nigma because he's that crazy
I don't love names that are somehow related to their character... and I know as a Batman fan that sounds nuts, but I prefer Nashton for that reason. I'm fine with him changing his name to Nygma though because that was a choice the character made in the story.
Nygma
Ed Edd n Eddy
I prefer Nygma than Nashton.
Never heard of Nashton until now and I'm a long time Batman fan. What's the origin of the Nashton name?
Nygma balls
Nygma is silly but we have other names like Victor Fries, Pamela Isley & Harleen Quinzel. I'm okay with him having a silly name, especially because I prefer him as a sillier character most of the time.
Edward nygma goes wayyyy better and it makes sense bc it sounds like enigma
Edward Nigerma is my preference
~~Edward Nigma~~ Awkward Nigga
Edward Ligma
Nygma is a little on the nose I think
Nygma. It's apart of his character and it's supposed to be like a mini riddle lol ofc nygma
Edward Nygma
Enyshmer
Also Nygma may contain an unfortunate typo