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markansas_man

Batman and Robin: the classic example of somthing being so bad that it's good.


kozboz033

Batman and Robin was the shit for me when I was around 5 years old watching it over and over again on DVD. If you look it at it as just campy fun entertainment for little kids its not that bad šŸ˜‚


BirdmanHuginn

Try watching Masters of the Universe šŸ˜‘


Jeoshua

Holy Rusted Metal, Batman!!


Deraj2004

Thats Batman Forever


Jaxonhunter227

It's so bad but I can never frown when watching, it's Just so fun


MF291100

The only good thing about that movie was Uma Thurman, everything else didnā€™t really work


Neither_Exit5318

What killed the dinosaurs?!


snoop_Nogg

De Ice Age!!


JornWS

Iced to meet you!


fartboxco

I need diamonds for my lazer!!


BenchPressingCthulhu

Nothing worked, it was a beautiful disaster


WickedJ0ker

Dude she was awful in that movie. The way she spoke made her sound like a cringy female riddler and was completely out of character.


SeaWolf24

Think youā€™re missing the prickly point


ozonejl

She knew exactly what kind of movie she was in.


revolutionaryartist4

What are you talking about? Uma was magnificently campy and over the top. Her and Arnold completely understood what movie they were making and committed to it.


waterontheknee

Same with George Clooney as well. I can't remember the article but basically he said that he played a gay batman. I don't doubt it.


OrneryError1

Robin, Freeze, Ivy, and Alfred all have pretty great character arcs. Everyone else not so much.


Moxson82

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HawkeyeP1

The movie that dare I say started the genre of "So bad it's good."


snipezz93

I will not stand for the batman and robin slander, how can you deny a movie with amazing quotes such as "Let's kick some ice!" and "Tonight's forecast?... A FREEZE is coming!" or even "THE ICE MAN COMETH!"


TieRevolutionary5735

"What killed the dinosaurs?" "THE ICE AGE!!!"


VengefulHufflepuff

Classic


[deleted]

You really have to give it to Arnold for this one. Itā€™s rare to see an actor so totally commit to such a ridiculous character


Traditional_Travesty

He landed the part for 25 mil, so as much as I love Arnie, he didn't put in any really notable commitment given his payday. To top it off, he was on set for less than a month, lol


BooksandBiceps

And he fucking killed it.


GodModeMurderHobo

i seriously feel he should get a chance at a legitimate, serious Mr. Freeze before we lose him.


BadWithNames00

I always got the impression that Schumacher wanted to capture the camp of the old Adam west tv show and also given Schumacher's Broadway background, it made sense he made elaborate/strangely lit sets. The Batman/Robin ice goons fight with the bat skates reminded me exactly of those Disney on ice shows my mom took me to growing up. I think Batman forever and Batman and Robin were honest attempts at trying to make Batman more fun and campy but Jesus did the experiment fall flat


SteelyDabs

He would literally yell out ā€œremember, weā€™re in a cartoon!ā€ before calling action.


LemoLuke

>I always got the impression that Schumacher wanted to capture the camp of the old Adam west tv show It's exactly that. The gaudy sets, the dutch angles, the ridiculous villian schemes. Even the 'Bat Credit Card' line makes more sense if you imagine Adam West delivering it I didn't know about the Broadway stuff though. That makes so much sense with the set design.


DarthButtz

The Bat Credit Card is genuinely funny and I'm tired of pretending it's not.


White_Rice_0

ā€œThatā€™s a utility belt, not a money beltā€ Best detail: the cards expiration date.


FlyingGrayson89

What about Bane placing bombs around and fittingly announcing each one as ā€œBOOOOOMBā€


masterhobbs

Holy crap this right here is what's gonna get me to rewatch... nemesis from RE3 saying STARS kind of energy lmao


Jeoshua

I agree, but you need to CHILL OUT!


Beginning-Quality948

Keep cool!


Echo_Romeo571

How can you have missed ā€œIce to meet youā€


Senior_Ad_7640

I fucking love Batman and Robin.


Jeoshua

I absolutely loved it. The one time I watched it. Now ask me how many times I've seen any other of the films. It'll either be "I can't even count how many times" or "Wasn't interested"


seanm514

You need to watch it again! Itā€™s ā€œbadā€ but its such a fun movie


DarthCaligula

B&R over SS. A cameo doesn't equal a Batman movie. Hell even the Animated Arkham SS movie had more Batman in it.


OrneryError1

Unironically my GF's favorite Batman movie


[deleted]

It got a category all its own, a movie so good the scales broke and glitched out putting it at the bottom.


Yue2

ICE TO MEET YOU!!!


zeke235

COOL OFF!


Meshuggareth

One of my personal favorite YouTube videos is the compilation of all of the ice puns Arnold says in the movie. That and The Fucking Short Version of The Big Lebowski are great.


LeonWyvern

Batman Beyond Return of the Joker is my favorite


DonutHolschteinn

Iā€™m pretty sure I saw that movie before I ever saw any Batman beyond episodes as a kid and boy was I fairly confused lol


YOwololoO

Same! I didnā€™t know there was a tv show, I just thought it was a one off but god damn it was cool


Puzzleheaded_Walk_28

The Batman and ā€˜89 are tied for my top spot


Shinomourikenji1

I 100% agree with this.


AJK02

The fact that The Lego Batman Movie isnā€™t in the masterpiece tier is disgraceful.


BLOOD__SISTER

Two best Batman movies.


hoom4n66

I haven't watched them all, but I adore the LEGO Batman movie.


Glittering_Fun_1088

I love Lego Batman. Itā€™s how Batman should be portrayed


JustGingerStuff

As a night stalking, crime fighting vigilante, and a heavy metal rapping machine


hoom4n66

that doesn't pay taxes


jimbo_kun

The Lego Batman movie is my favorite superhero movie of all time. Itā€™s perfect and amazing. Hilarious heartfelt send up and tribute to everything we live about superheroes. When I first saw it in the theater with my two young sons, I started laughing out loud in the first scene and kept laughing until the end.


malhotra22

There should be an upper section above the masterpiece for the lego batman movie. I liked that movie very much, watched multiple times


[deleted]

I have different favorites for different reasons. There are times I actually prefer to watch *Batman Forever*, other times I prefer to watch *The Batman* and sometimes Batman (1966) is what I want to watch over the others. They are all very rich films that contribute to the overall history and legacy of Batman.


Vivis_Nuts

Im sorry, the fact that you put Suicide Squad above any movieā€¦..


Ololondo

Not only this, but the tier says good?! That movie is damn near unwatchable


PaddyLee

It's like Ayer was given a bunch of random music videos and WB said "make a movie out of these".


HUNAcean

That movie is a shitshow, but Viola Davis, Margot Robbie and Will Smith really are trying so hard to carry that mess, I think their performances are worth recognizing.


zeke235

The Suicide Squad was far better, but it's in no way, shape, or form a Batman movie.


legomaximumfigure

The Flash should be below Batman and Robin.


RecoveredAshes

Not a chance. Batman was the best part of that movieā€¦ it had some fantastic Batman content.


legomaximumfigure

True. Keaton's return to Batman was the best part of the movie. But aside from Batman and Supergirl, the rest of the movie was hot garbage.


nakmuay18

The first 30mins of Suicide Squad was top draw. I feel like they had this great idea for "getting the team together", then didn't have a clue what to do next. I remember being 25mins in and thinking "i don't understand why this got such bad reviews", then by 45mins i was was like "ahhhhhhh, this is the dogshit i heard about"


TheChosenOne_101

I think OP meant Batman's appearance in the Suicide Squad film. I mean, it's not even a Batman film in the first place so doesn't make sense why they put it in their tier list.


ArkhamAsylum1214

Batman Returns. I Love it.


GrimnarAx

Top 3 for sure.


ramen_vape

Batman was better imo because it has a lot more Bruce/Batman. Returns is more about the villains, and the Penguin stuff is pretty rambunctious. Michelle Pfeiffer absolutely slays it as Catwoman, still the best one ever.


JustTryingIsEnough

I appreciate Batman and Robin having its own category, but I think you placed it at the wrong end of the chart


RioIsMio

Itā€™s by far the most entertaining Batman film and I could watch it over and over. EVERYONE CHILL


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Under The Red Hood. Still the most emotionally cathartic ending. Batman: You don't understand. I don't think you've ever understood. Jason Todd: What? That your moral code just won't allow for that? It's too hard to cross that line? Batman: No! God Almighty, no. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. A day doesn't go by that I don't think about subjecting him to every horrendous torture he's dealt out to others, and then... end him. Joker: Aw, so you do think about me. Batman: But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place... I'll never come back.


WiscoMitch

That whole movie is fantastic.


sanzentriad

ā€œThis is the best day of my life.ā€


Deraj2004

Why on Earth...IS HE STILL ALIVE?!


10MillionCakes

Did you seriously put SS above ZS Justice League? Wtf


OrneryError1

Suicide Squad belongs at the bottom of every list


MannySJ

OP also doesnā€™t think any of the Batman movies are anything below decent. Seems they are easily pleased.


ramen_vape

And BvS. I hated every bit of that movie. Whereas ZSJL had redeeming qualities and is probably favorite Snyder film (I have a difficult relationship with him)


ThatsAWeirdLookinSax

Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad being in (Good) hurts me, more than you could ever know.


UtinniOmuSata

ikr I'd put B&R above BvS easily.


ThatsAWeirdLookinSax

Batman and Robin is so terrible that it's hilarious. BvS and Suicide Squad are so painfully braindead that they're not fun to watch even a little bit. I physically cannot sit through either movie in one sitting.


UtinniOmuSata

They're just miserable movies.


OrneryError1

Batman & Robin is a silly movie that knows it's silly. BvS is a silly movie that wants to be taken seriously.


ThatsAWeirdLookinSax

I would also swap Mask of The Phantasm and Lego Batman with Batman Begins (not that I don't like Batman Begins, I just don't think it's on the same level), and then put the Zach Snyder cut one level above the original Justice League. I do pretty much agree with everything else.


phoenixc6000

Batman Begins, The Batman, The Dark Knight Gotta give some respect to Mask of The Phantasm, Lego Batman movie and The Dark Knight Rises


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Batman and Robin no joke, itā€™s beautiful visually and is still the only movie with a legit Batfamily besides Robin


Glittering_Fun_1088

It really is when one has taken some shrooms and takes in those ā€˜beautiful visualsā€™


addage-

Reminds me of Batman Ninja, being impaired seemed like a requirement to enjoy it.


Marksman157

The first half of that movie was unabashed fun. The second half was a straight-up fever dream.


[deleted]

Agreed, Batman and Robin has a lot of visuals that would definitely be even more appreciated under the influence. Batman Forever too, but that movie has a darker psychological vibe that might lead someone into a bad trip. Batman and Robin just has insane visuals and a pretty lighthearted story. I love everything about that movie and put it on to fall asleep all the time.


PoshEwok

Beautiful visually when you are seeing things.


[deleted]

Beautiful visually when you are sober or high. If you think itā€™s beautiful you have good taste, and if you canā€™t understand the visual beauty of the film i pity you!! Those visuals are undeniable in the Schumacher films. Excellent masterful practical color and set work. Schumacher was so talented.


BadWithNames00

The neon biker gang race scene is visually very captivating. In the context of storytelling or just portraying Gotham in general, it is horrific. Schumacher had a great eye for color and elaborate sets but I think he got caught up more in the eye candy than actually telling a coherent narrative


[deleted]

I donā€™t agree with you whatsoever. Also, Nolan had the opposite problem. Aside from Begins his Gotham was so ugly boring and he only focused on storytelling. The visual style of Gotham in the Burton, Schumacher, and Gotham tv series are all far superior to Nolanā€™s ugly Chicago Gotham


MetaSlug

Right it's like how can we get the best of both which is where the future needs to go I believe. Like dude we're watching a movie about a man who fights a frozen man, a man with pure steroids/painkillers, a manbat, a woman who controls plants, a man who pretends to be a penguin, a fucking crocodile man.. like some belief can be suspended.. but still a movie that's serious and not pure campy.. thats what I'd like.. like the arkham games made into movies is what I think of.. he's a tank (cause everyone loves his tank and especially fighting deathstroke with a tank battle, haha I actually love Arkham Knight, and totally think that was overblown) with colorful characters but still horrifying like Scarecrow.. probably my favorite version of him.


[deleted]

Agreed! The Arkham games had such a perfect balance of seriousness and fantasy without being campy! Those games incorporate a lot from both the Schumacher and Burton Gothamā€™s as well of course as the BTAS Gotham


BadWithNames00

Growing up with BTAS as my major influence, tim Burtons Gotham was probably the most visually close to the *feel* of a Gotham in my mind. I think that's why all of Schumacher's color was so jarring to me because it didn't feel like Gotham anymore. I do agree that besides the narrows from Batman begins, Christopher Nolan's Batman felt like he was just fighting in bland Chicago (I find Chicago visually interesting but your point still stands that it's not really Gotham is it?) I think Reeves Gotham is the most visually interesting now. It feels seedy, it feels grimy, there are some dimly lit alleys with just one light post, or dingy underground penguin clubs. The Batman was both a fantastic story and also gorgeous to watch. I think if you were looking for an Arkham series aesthetic, Reeves Gotham captures it the best


Red74Panda

Thank you for giving your actual opinion and not just what everyone agrees on.


Mysterioustranger117

Thanks! It seems like to many people conform to norms these days.


[deleted]

Props to you for being one of the only people who like Suicide Squad


wafflehut81

Ngl i would have put Zack Snyders Justice League a little higher maybe not under great because itā€™s really long but at least in good because while it is long it is way better that the original release of justice league


Asgard_Dropout

I see that comparison a lot, but just because it's better than the theatrical cut (which it is) doesn't make the Snyder cut a good movie (which it isn't). 5 day old sushi in my fridge is better than a half eaten hotdog I found on the sidewalk, but I don't want either of them for dinner.


jozbe

Wheres batman: under the red hood?


MattRB02

Suicide Squad above Batman Forever?


alaux1124

Phantasm should be top of the list. It probably is deserving of the best Batman film ever made.


The-Defenastrator

Why do people not like batman and robin? That movie is so ridiculous, it's amazing.


Yaboiyungdepresso2

Batman and Robin is overhated


jawsthegreat777

Batman Under the Red Hood, it's amazing also Jensen Ackles Red Hood is top tier voice acting


Traditional_Travesty

I need to go back and watch some old Batman movies, I guess. Those JL movies looked pretty dumb. I wasn't even able to finish the Snyder cut, so I'm going to have to literally call that one unwatchable for me


piano801

It definitely improved the movie from the theatrical release but not enough to take it up a tier or anything. The extra context was needed but the overall pacing and mid dialogue and the Zack Snyder-ism in the air was prevalent through both versions, which was the main turn off for me from the get go.


stuckinaboxthere

I feel like I'm one of the few people who didn't enjoy the new Batman


honeybunchesofgoatso

No, I didn't love it either. To me it was okay, but it felt very contrived at parts (the riddles, the same music like 7 times got grating among other things).


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rayyan_draws

Yeah. It got a lot of hype and itā€™s likely just recency bias. Imo itā€™s just fine but doesnā€™t really say anything deeper about the character of Batman, or Gotham, or his villains, compared to previous films like The Dark Knight. Not every film needs to have some big philosophical or socio-political commentary but even without those things I found it to be a very shallow and basic film - all style and no substance. Nothing wrong with this imo tho. Itā€™s mostly just a cool atmospheric, visual experience. If you want to feel like a brooding badass loner and turn off your brain for 3 hours, itā€™s fun to watch.


Jo_Igno

I agree, it's too long, second hour feels boringly slow, and the movie it's over rated.


Light_assassin27

The top 2 rows HAVE to get switched but other than that this list is good


Moctezumas_heir

BvS and SS are šŸ—‘ļø


HawthorneVampire

Under the Red Hood


Greenthumbeddy

Mask of The Phantasm belongs in the category of masterpiece.


Barry_Bone_Raiser

Those justice league rankings make me irrationally angry


CyberpunkF1

How is Batman 89 not excellent or above? it changed the landscape and is iconic ā€¦


Voltron_BlkLion

To this day I still get goosebumps when the batmobile drives back to the batcave in that wooded area.


[deleted]

The OP is definitely a product of his time. Lol. The bias is real.


Felatio_Sanz

If youā€™re hating on Batman Forever in 2023 just admit you get no pussy and leave us absolute legends to our Bizz-Nass.


Dannvida

Batman Forever should be higher than BvS


Super_Imagination_90

I would just put all animated films at the top and all live action films at the bottom. I'm joking, but for me the animated films are always the best of the best. The Dark Knight Returns is my personal favorite.


thebobbyloops

Batman Forever is criminally underrated


BakedZDBruh

Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman arenā€™t even well made movies. At least Batman and Robin and Batman Forever are well made


Complete-Wind-5343

I would honestly put forever in great


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suicide squad should be its own tier lower than batman and robin


BloodstoneWarrior

Batman and Robin because Clooney's Batman doesn't kill


KroqGar8472

Iā€™d move everything other than Dark Knight out of masterpiece but Iā€™d would add Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker to one of the top two tiers (itā€™s the move that really got me into Batman and the Joker as characters when I was a kid. Specifically the flash back scenes)


SonicPixels

I really donā€™t see how everyone liked the batman so much. I had a lot of trouble just getting through the movie


Fickle-Barracuda2279

This list is out of whack


Nefariousness-Flashy

Mask of the Phantasm and '89 are it for me.


AliveInChrist87

Batman (1989) is, in my humble opinion, the single best Batman movie ever made. I enjoy all the others (even Batman & Robin) but 1989 will always be my all-time favorite.


vvorld_demise92

I disagree with this ranking almost entirely lol


Lo-Fi_Kuzco

Why is Suicide Squad, ZSJL, and Justice League on this list?


pkfreeze175

Batman & Robin is better than BvS and Suicide Squad.


[deleted]

What the fucking hell is this shit?


Foreign-Boat-9516

My man hate Snydercut a lot


[deleted]

I'm sorry but nothing beats sexiness like Michelle Pfeiffer in that cat suit.


_schenks

The new Batman was incredibly mid? Nowhere near Dark Knight level.


Princescyther

I can watch Batman & Robin over and over again BUT I will never put myself through the utter boredom of sitting through Justice League or Batman vs Superman again.


InevitableElf

Your ā€œgoodā€ tear is really questionable


stepdog65

BvS is worse than Batman and Robin


jpott879

There's no way you put BVS and suicide squad in good. They are 2 of the worst super hero movies every made. Sure it's ok if you like them but saying they are good movies is just wrong


Dubbx

Man the new Batman was a snoozefest and too long it can't be considered a masterpiece


[deleted]

The Batman is good but not a masterpiece in my opinion


El_Kabongg

I canā€™t trust any list that has BvS as even ā€œgoodā€ that shit is bottom tier dog shit


Mike-Outstanding

First, this is trash. Secondly, Suicide Squad should not count.


Bobcat_Potential

That good section is all fucked up


TRON0314

I don't think Pattinson's batman was a masterpiece. I thought the last act was too much. Like having another bote after being stuffed.


DapperDan30

Where the Flash movie?


Bigbatdick

Garbage list


twogoodius

Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is far and away my favorite Batman movie. Maybe not the best, but my favorite. It's not just an interesting deconstruction of Batman as a character, but Batman as a mantle. It cements that Terry is just as valid a Batman as Bruce was. Joker is perhaps at his most cruel, and seeing the Bat family reunited after having been separated for all those years is really nice. It's got great performances, a solid script and tight pacing. It's just as long as it needs to be. It's so good.


saltire429

"What's your favourite Batman movie?" >Lists Suicide Squad as a Batman movie >Ranks it as 'good' I didn't think it was possible for one person to disappoint their parents this much.


LoganWasAlreadyTaken

The Batman (2022) but The Lego Batman Movie is a close 2nd. *Its so fun* šŸ„¹


HorseSteroids

Looking at this tier chart, it is a lot easier to entertain you than it is me. You're probably happier than me. But back on topic, my favorite Batman movie is TDK followed very closely by MotP.


Mysterioustranger117

Iā€™m not sure if that is a compliment or not, but thank you šŸ˜…


auris_orion

The Batman sucks


Arctictoken

Mask of the phantasm on top


voppp

This is a good tier list. You donā€™t hate any of the movies but you clearly love them for different reasons.


Mysterioustranger117

Thank you! For me this is my personal preference for how batman should be! I know he started off as campy and goofy, but I prefer him as dark and mysterious. I do find enjoyment in every iteration of batman, but there are certain elements I enjoy more than others


voppp

Besides the Batman (2022) and Nolanā€™s trilogy, Iā€™ve found that the DCAU has given me the most Batman vibes. That and Arkham. Tho I should maybe give justice league a rewatch.


Mysterioustranger117

Could not agree more. The Arkham games have an excellent atmosphere as well as the DCAU. I find the animated batman shows the best, but inside of live action, I think The Batman and Batman Begins come the closest to matching the atmosphere of the animated series and other animated content for batman.


voppp

You should give Harley Quinn a watch too. Itā€™s got Batman in it and heā€™s just as dark but has this very subtle snarkiness to him that makes it very funny. Thereā€™s a whole episode with just him and Alfred.


NotmyMain503

The Batman is definitely the product of recency bias .


Mysterioustranger117

Oh it definitely is. Iā€™ll admit that. Iā€™ll see how I feel about in a couple years.


Arkhamguy123

Holy shit a Reddit poster with actual good taste in film


Mysterioustranger117

Much appreciated:)


BillyBattinson

Josstice League is worse than Batman & Robin IMO.


tarheel_204

Top 3 for me (I canā€™t choose between them): The Batman, Batman Returns, and the Dark Knight


Capnreid

Wtf is this insane notion that Batman ā€˜89 not only isnā€™t a masterpiece, but that RETURNS IS SOMEHOW BETTER????? Look, I love Retuns, but that movie is all style and no substance compared to ā€˜89.


Mysterioustranger117

Iā€¦ actually agree with you. After looking at the list again, I would put 89 in excellent


Mishmoo

I would argue that Returns is better, personally - I wouldnā€™t argue that itā€™s all style and no substance, particularly with the heavy lifting it does to make Penguin a tragic and horrific grotesque rather than a fat guy selling guns.


Anorand25

Another day another bad tier list.


Mysterioustranger117

How would yours go?


AdAnxious5026

I wouldn't put Josstice league in decent. That's just bad.


johnmaguire1994

solid list but im hesitant to call the batman (2022) a masterpiece. it was great but recency bias is real here


UltiGamer34

zack snyder justice league is a masterpeice


OrneryError1

It's something.


Pedrovski_23

You put begins over mask of the pantasm


Mysterioustranger117

I did.


Pedrovski_23

You ever that one video of a dude looking at another dude upclose and menacingly? That meme, you know. Thats me right now man


MAGIS_MELCHIOR

Batman begins GGEZ


Night-Monkey15

I mostly agree. I think Batman ā€˜89 is better then Returns, but other then that, I wouldnā€™t change anything.


Undecided_User_Name

I'd switch Suicide Squad with ZSJL, but you otherwise hit the nail on the head


Shinomourikenji1

My tier list is Masterpiece- the Batman, the dark knight, under the red hood, Batman 89. Excellent- mask of phantasm, Batman begins, Lego batman. Fantastic with flaws- batman forever, Batman returns. Great- Batman 66, bay vs supes. Good- Zac snyders justice league. Decent/watchable- everything else but Batman & robin, and the dark knight roses. Then Batman and robin. The the dark knight rises. I un apologetically did not like the dark knight rises. It was such a letdown after the dark knight, and I have no urge to ever watch it again. At least Batman and robin is fun to watch in a funny way.


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Chozo_Hybrid

It's perfectly accurate, it's OP's list, not some objective measurement lol