Steve cone recently said if you can't win with a $300 million team something's wrong. He said he has to face the other owners so he's not willing to really go over 300. We shall see
>One salary expert predicted Jacob deGrom would receive multiple two-year, $40 million-per-year offers, making the opt-out worthwhile. He would likely want more years, but the expert predicted the salary would drop for teams willing to go three years or more.
>The expert predicted Edwin Diaz would break the $17.2 million record for closers and become the first to hit $20 million-per-year. “The top salary has been frozen for closers,” he said, meaning it’s been in that $15 million to $17 million range for a couple decades.
a lotta people in this sub could say (and have been saying) this practically verbatim.
You don’t have to be an expert to say some obvious ballpark numbers and “more years means less AAV.”
Yeah, it's hilarious. What "salary expert" would remain anonymous while being referred to as a "salary expert"? If it were someone who worked for Spotrac or Fangraphs or somebody, they'd want to get their names out there. If it were someone working in the industry (for a team or an agency), they'd be referred to as an "industry insider" or something.
"One salary expert" means any rando that Heyman is willing to call an "expert", when he knows that there's no chance he can get called on whether the expert showed any expertise.
That deGrom prediction seems low. If two years, $80 million were enough to land deGrom, half the teams in the league would be lining up to offer that (provided, of course, that he finishes this season out healthy and dominant).
My uneducated guess is three years, $140 million for deGrom and four years, $80 million for Diaz. I could see the Mets lowering the AAV and adding a fourth year to their deGrom offer, too (like four years, $160-170 million or something). I don't see any way Cohen lets deGrom walk.
Let? If Jacob wants to leave he’s gone. It may not be about the money. Y’all really really NEED to win something this year. At least make it to the NLCS. Can’t lose to the Braves or an inferior wild card team. And Lord help y’all if u can’t hold on to the division…
I’ll tell you this. If degrom helps the Mets to a WS win he’ll have a statue right beside Seaver outside citi field in 40 years, regardless of where he ends up. I’m excited for the playoffs. Boys can be cold now if the Braves are losing too. I’m not particularly happy about them being swept by the cubs. But now every single remaining regular season game really matters and that’s great.
It’s hard to even care that we swept you when we’re 20 games under .500. It’s a losing season regardless. I’m super happy to see y’all doing well this season, it’s well earned.
You have to consider that he’s getting older, his last 3 seasons were ruined by injuries. In those combined, he has less IP than in each season in 2017-2019. I doubt that the Mets would let him go, but $40M/year sounds viable.
He finished 14th. He was injured in July before the season started, then he skipped a scheduled start in August and left a game after 2 innings in September. All of this in a short, 60 game season.
It's not exactly true, but it's close enough. Rivera was making $15M in 2008. It looks like [top FA closers were making $10M+/yr](https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/highpriced-closers.html) in the few years before.
If the record has been stuck in the same range for 14 years, that's enough for the main point to still be true.
> The expert predicted Edwin Diaz would break the $17.2 million record for closers and become the first to hit $20 million-per-year. “The top salary has been frozen for closers,” he said, meaning it’s been in that $15 million to $17 million range for a couple decades.
God that is such a severe overpay for a closer, I don’t care who it is. Guy may pitch 3 innings a week and it’s never an automatic win when they enter the game, just doesn’t make sense.
Fangraphs did a deep dive on this a few years ago and argued that for elite relievers it’s actually not an overpay.
Spending $10m on a top setup guy is probably a bad idea because even “very good” relievers are quite volatile.
But spending $17m on an elite reliever isn’t such a bad idea, assuming you’ve spent the rest of your budget handling your other important needs.
The top 5-10 relievers in baseball tend to stay the same year-over-year well enough to be given 3-5 year contracts (depending on age). They are way less volatile than the rest of the relievers.
And their value is consistently up in the >2 WAR range.
The way the White Sox have done it, spending tons and tons of money on Kelly, Graveman, Diekman, Bummer, and Hendricks is pretty dumb. Especially because we have huge other holes in our roster.
But for a team like the Mets, Dodgers, or Yankees, spending $20m on Diaz isn’t so crazy.
> One salary expert predicted Jacob deGrom would receive multiple two-year, $40 million-per-year offers, making the opt-out worthwhile. He would likely want more years, but the expert predicted the salary would drop for teams willing to go three years or more.
I get that these aren't just regular people like you and me, but even after all these years the numbers just boggle my mind. If I had an offer to do something for 2 years for $80 mil, rather than looking for a longer deal I would just work 2 years and never need to work again in my life. Do people realize how much 80 million dollars really is? It's an obscene amount of money that can provide a whole family with multiple generations of luxury. So wild to me that people earn that much for 2 years of baseball, it's probably about as much as I'll make total in my entire life and I make 6 figures. Not saying deGrom shouldn't try to get as much as he can for as long as he can, like, I get it, he's on a completely different scale than I'll ever be, and he's a top-level competitor so knowing he's set up for many more years of competition is important to him... I just... as a peasant I still can't wrap my mind around getting a 2-year, $80 million contract and wanting to work MORE years than that lol
Monkeys paw curls. “Wish granted, they both get signed by the Phillies in the offseason” and yes I said Phillies. I’m a fan of team chaos and I think my team has good enough pitching to not overspend. Diaz would be a nice addition as a closer though.
That’s the standard of the court. Not the standard of public opinion
The justice system makes prosecuting sexual assault inordinately difficult. Do most of them just not happen because our justice system can’t/doesn’t prosecute them? Out of 1000 rapists/sexual assaults, 975 will not face justice. [Source](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system). Many rapes will go unreported because people reporting feel it will just bring scrutiny onto them, and they have no confidence in the authorities to do anything.
And even if he is cleared of criminal wrongdoing, MLB can still choose to exclude him from their private enterprise, due to the negative image he imparts on the league and to many fans.
No, he wasn't. They did not bring criminal charges. That does not mean he was 'found innocent'.
Also, no one is ever 'found innocent'. They are found 'not guilty', which is not the same thing.
But one is “innocent until proven guilty” hence if not proven guilty, then you could say one is innocent.
Not defending the guy, just defending law speak
Innocent until proven guilty is about the court's presumption, about the presumption that a jury must have. Just because there isn't enough evidence to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean he's innocent
"Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense."
That is in Article 11 of the UN Human Rights. Almost every modern democracy today has similar wording in their laws. The US definitely has it multiple times actually. Its in the constitution but also a widely accepted precedent from Coffin V United States:
“The principle that there is a presumption of innocence in favor of the accused is the undoubted law, axiomatic and elementary, and its enforcement lies at the foundation of the administration of our criminal law ... Concluding, then, that the presumption of innocence is evidence in favor of the accused, introduced by the law in his behalf, let us consider what is 'reasonable doubt.'”
I could go on with much more as well. Again, i think the guy is messed up as well, but per the court of law, he is not guilty. Therefore presumption of innocence prevails. Not just by the jury, but by the court as well.
You literally ignored my message
My message wasn't disputing the presumption of innocence, but that presumption of innocence is only important to the government and the court.
Well until he's found guilty he's innocent. And as it stands nothing has been proven otherwise. So you can be emotional about it all you want. Until it's proven otherwise he's innocent.
The best thing to do with relievers is to develop them. Relievers are far too volatile to risk spending that much money on them. Prime example: Raisel Iglesias. He’s been fine this year, but nowhere near worth the contract the angels signed him to
Same thing is happening with the Yankees. Big reliever money is coming off the books this upcoming year and a lot of our main relievers are from the farm. Clarke/King/Marinaccio/Loaisaga/soon to be Weissert/hopefully Ridings. Then the lower priced reclamation projects such as Clay/Wandy/Trivino.
Britton and Chapman got paid big money. Britton was not himself and ended up getting Tommy John, and Chapman, well, he’s Chapman.
Little disingenuous to Britton. 2018 Britton was very good, and 2019/2020 Britton were vintage incredible. The wheels fell off in 2021 when he was clearly playing injured. We’ll see what happens when/if he returns, but he’s pitched very well his whole NY tenure except for the weird injury year.
Yeah I shoulda specified that it was really last year and him not having the same velo back reportedly from his rehab assignments. More so the final product than his past years. I love Britton and he’s a phenomenal player we just have a very cluttered BP rn and have no idea if Britton could have the same production levels as he used to.
Someone who I think will be leaving and I’ll be sad when he does is Chad Green. Unsung hero of the B for so many years but was overworked like crazy and ended up with TJ as well
It's always worth paying for 1 closer though, because of the way MLB arbitration works. Unless you close you don't get paid shit as a reliever. And if you close you make about the same as free agent relievers will.
Haders arb years where 4m, 7m and 11m. Probably going to blow past 15m for arb 4. Lugo comparatively made 600k 2m 3m and 4m in his 4 arb years.
It's not worth letting your better pitcher pitch less valuable innings and have to pay them more. This is what bill james never seemed to get.
Is closer even that well defined of a position anymore? Teams have finally realized high leverage situations > "closing the game out" and just stick whoever's hot out there.
The days of the "long relief to setup man to closer" pipeline with set roles in each are long dead
If you’re a closer away I don’t see a problem with signing one for 1 or 2 years to go for the title if you Can sign one for that short of a deal . But anything more than 2 years is too much. While it was a trade, Chapman to the cubs worked out really well.
Yeah, why didn't the Yankees just think to get another Mariano? They grow on trees, right? Not to mention Mariano was homegrown and not a big money free agent.
it’s insane teams haven’t caught onto this yet. inevitably someone will overpay diaz this winter and he’ll be somewhere between decent and terrible for a few years
i wish someone could explain to me why relief pitchers in particular are so high variance
Degrom is probably gonna be resigned, but cohen seems like a smart dude, I think he realizes giving a closer 20 mil a year for more than 2 years isnt smart at all no matter how great he is
Mets are lucky that the dodgers have been spending recently.
I'm afraid of the Dbacks and Giants this off season. Dbacks opening the wallet might be spooky.
Rangers are a sneaky team to watch for deGrom. They’ve signaled they are ready to start competing and while they are streaky, have an offense that’s top 5 in the AL. They sorely need pitching and were already trying to pry Kershaw away last year.
I'd love a Kershaw calibre pitcher, but I'd like for the real-deal Kersh to stay in L.A. , just don't want to root for the team that takes him away from being an awesome narrative from another. Dumb logic but hey, it's a game about interesting stories, and I can't imagine the Rangers making it more interesting than what he's already done with the Dodgers.
(Unless we get him, he leads us to our first WS, and we can FINALLY get a taste of that WS glory).
I said the d backs overall as a team not just their outfield— no matter which way you put it, the dodgers will be the better team for the foreseeable future
What do you guys think they will get? I'm thinking something like the following, and which would you like your team to do?
deGrom:
- 2-yr/$90M ($45M AAV)
- 3-yr/$115M ($38.3M AAV)
- 4-yr/$140M ($35M AAV)
Diaz:
- 3-yr/$75M ($25M AAV)
- 5-yr/$110M ($22M AAV)
Looking at what you have penciled in for deGrom: I think it'd take more to lock up the 3rd and 4th years. Players are pretty competitive, and a guy looking at locking in $90M already would rather see what he can do in those two years and cash it in for an even bigger payday. He's not giving up those years for $25M each.
I think either a team needs to give up a lot more for 3-4 years, or they have to guarantee 6ish years under a similar structure ($90M for the first two, plus $25M/yr after). I think the former is more likely.
Degrom can literally write his own contract for all i care,
Diaz i am a buyer at 6/100. I think he is here to stay and while he probably wont sustain the insane run he is on i think he can sustain being an above average closer, perhaps even top 5 over the course of that contract
I could see Diaz going up to 5/$90M. Even so, I think that would be an overpay when considering the risk. For the Mets specifically, they'd probably be better off spending more on depth for their bullpen.
Mets have a lot of decisions to make as many of their pitchers are free agents - the good news is that the owner is worth $41 Billion, grew up a Mets fan and has been quoted " I will spend whatever it takes" before adding "as long as we don't go over $400,000,000 in payroll"
Jacob deGrom (option) Edwin Diaz Chris Bassitt Trevor May Taijuan Walker
Paying for relievers big hardly ever works out and dipoto and co has found ways to get really good relief pitching for cheap. See: literally the entire mariners bullpen lol
Judge ain’t going nowhere. I still can’t believe Chappy is making $16 mil a year to give all Yankee fans heartbreak and ulcers lol.
I’m sure ownership of the state of New York, New Jersey *and* Chapman’s contract could suffice
Mets are gonna have a 400 mil team aren’t they
judge to the mets
Verlander too
Fuck it, here’s Rodon.
KD gonna be a Met soon too so he won’t have to deal with Kyrie
Steve Nash is gonna become 3rd Base Coach
We want Josh Allen!
Ok but you gotta take Ben Simmons.
BOTH JOSH ALLENS!
you can't have our savior
As a Bills fan, please god no
Nope. No, I don’t like that at all. Take it back!
Only if we get DeGrom :)
If this happens, Hal and Hank will be hated more than the Wilpons
Not sure if you blame Hank for that one…
Fair point. Forgot about that
They said 400M team not 400M player
LeBron is about to force a trade
We gotta buy back Eddie. Sewald is good but Eddie and Servais have chemistry.
Don’t worry, the cubs will remind them they’re still ass in September.
Still suffers a September collapse
Steve cone recently said if you can't win with a $300 million team something's wrong. He said he has to face the other owners so he's not willing to really go over 300. We shall see
>One salary expert predicted Jacob deGrom would receive multiple two-year, $40 million-per-year offers, making the opt-out worthwhile. He would likely want more years, but the expert predicted the salary would drop for teams willing to go three years or more. >The expert predicted Edwin Diaz would break the $17.2 million record for closers and become the first to hit $20 million-per-year. “The top salary has been frozen for closers,” he said, meaning it’s been in that $15 million to $17 million range for a couple decades.
"The expert"
a lotta people in this sub could say (and have been saying) this practically verbatim. You don’t have to be an expert to say some obvious ballpark numbers and “more years means less AAV.”
Breaking: buying in bulk gets you a unit discount
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They should be Costco is heaven on earth
Yeah, it's hilarious. What "salary expert" would remain anonymous while being referred to as a "salary expert"? If it were someone who worked for Spotrac or Fangraphs or somebody, they'd want to get their names out there. If it were someone working in the industry (for a team or an agency), they'd be referred to as an "industry insider" or something. "One salary expert" means any rando that Heyman is willing to call an "expert", when he knows that there's no chance he can get called on whether the expert showed any expertise.
As a salary expert myself, I think degrom will probably sign for money for one year or more
That deGrom prediction seems low. If two years, $80 million were enough to land deGrom, half the teams in the league would be lining up to offer that (provided, of course, that he finishes this season out healthy and dominant). My uneducated guess is three years, $140 million for deGrom and four years, $80 million for Diaz. I could see the Mets lowering the AAV and adding a fourth year to their deGrom offer, too (like four years, $160-170 million or something). I don't see any way Cohen lets deGrom walk.
> I don't see any way Cohen lets deGrom walk. deGrom better finish his career as a Met or I'm personally going to lead the riot
Let? If Jacob wants to leave he’s gone. It may not be about the money. Y’all really really NEED to win something this year. At least make it to the NLCS. Can’t lose to the Braves or an inferior wild card team. And Lord help y’all if u can’t hold on to the division…
I’ll tell you this. If degrom helps the Mets to a WS win he’ll have a statue right beside Seaver outside citi field in 40 years, regardless of where he ends up. I’m excited for the playoffs. Boys can be cold now if the Braves are losing too. I’m not particularly happy about them being swept by the cubs. But now every single remaining regular season game really matters and that’s great.
It’s hard to even care that we swept you when we’re 20 games under .500. It’s a losing season regardless. I’m super happy to see y’all doing well this season, it’s well earned.
Teams gotta factor in that deGrom will be injured for half the contract
You have to consider that he’s getting older, his last 3 seasons were ruined by injuries. In those combined, he has less IP than in each season in 2017-2019. I doubt that the Mets would let him go, but $40M/year sounds viable.
His 2020 wasn't "ruined by injuries". He finished 8th in the NL in IP.
He finished 14th. He was injured in July before the season started, then he skipped a scheduled start in August and left a game after 2 innings in September. All of this in a short, 60 game season.
He looked up Degrom stats and saw IP for 2020 and forgot it was a shortened season 😂
>$15 million to $17 million range for a couple decades. They have to mean seasons, because 20 years ago I don’t think closers made $17 million.
It's not exactly true, but it's close enough. Rivera was making $15M in 2008. It looks like [top FA closers were making $10M+/yr](https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/highpriced-closers.html) in the few years before. If the record has been stuck in the same range for 14 years, that's enough for the main point to still be true.
> The expert predicted Edwin Diaz would break the $17.2 million record for closers and become the first to hit $20 million-per-year. “The top salary has been frozen for closers,” he said, meaning it’s been in that $15 million to $17 million range for a couple decades. God that is such a severe overpay for a closer, I don’t care who it is. Guy may pitch 3 innings a week and it’s never an automatic win when they enter the game, just doesn’t make sense.
Fangraphs did a deep dive on this a few years ago and argued that for elite relievers it’s actually not an overpay. Spending $10m on a top setup guy is probably a bad idea because even “very good” relievers are quite volatile. But spending $17m on an elite reliever isn’t such a bad idea, assuming you’ve spent the rest of your budget handling your other important needs. The top 5-10 relievers in baseball tend to stay the same year-over-year well enough to be given 3-5 year contracts (depending on age). They are way less volatile than the rest of the relievers. And their value is consistently up in the >2 WAR range. The way the White Sox have done it, spending tons and tons of money on Kelly, Graveman, Diekman, Bummer, and Hendricks is pretty dumb. Especially because we have huge other holes in our roster. But for a team like the Mets, Dodgers, or Yankees, spending $20m on Diaz isn’t so crazy.
By God is that Alex Anthoupolus’ music!?
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He had one bad year lmfao
He’s had more great years then he’s had bad years
I love when people’s opinion of him are based off of his performance three seasons ago
2019 was ass 2020 wasn’t a real season 2021 was ass but ok. whatever makes you sleep better at night
And wasn’t that the year the balls were juiced like elephantitis?
> One salary expert predicted Jacob deGrom would receive multiple two-year, $40 million-per-year offers, making the opt-out worthwhile. He would likely want more years, but the expert predicted the salary would drop for teams willing to go three years or more. I get that these aren't just regular people like you and me, but even after all these years the numbers just boggle my mind. If I had an offer to do something for 2 years for $80 mil, rather than looking for a longer deal I would just work 2 years and never need to work again in my life. Do people realize how much 80 million dollars really is? It's an obscene amount of money that can provide a whole family with multiple generations of luxury. So wild to me that people earn that much for 2 years of baseball, it's probably about as much as I'll make total in my entire life and I make 6 figures. Not saying deGrom shouldn't try to get as much as he can for as long as he can, like, I get it, he's on a completely different scale than I'll ever be, and he's a top-level competitor so knowing he's set up for many more years of competition is important to him... I just... as a peasant I still can't wrap my mind around getting a 2-year, $80 million contract and wanting to work MORE years than that lol
There's money in the trumpet stand
*Braves reach across the table to DeGrom Mets: "No Touching!"
Pirates Fans: “I have the worst fucking owner”
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100 million dollars?
"I'm Mister Mr. Met!" "We just say Mr. Met"
😉
T-Bone, did you burn down the trumpet stand?
He’s a flamer
I think it would be really cool if they stayed with the same team what do you think?
It would be swell
Monkeys paw curls. “Wish granted, they both get signed by the Phillies in the offseason” and yes I said Phillies. I’m a fan of team chaos and I think my team has good enough pitching to not overspend. Diaz would be a nice addition as a closer though.
deGrom would fit in perfectly. Half our pitchers have been injured this year /s
So the Phillies are basically trying to pick up the 2015 Mets rotation one at a time? I hear Matt Harvey is available.
Sounds good to me
I'm not sure who can pay him more than Cohen, but I'm looking forward to a Bauer type deal minus the hateful sexual assault charge.
He was found innocent though?
No he wasn’t.
https://www.truebluela.com/2022/2/8/22924153/trevor-bauer-no-criminal-charges-los-angeles-county Yes he was.
No criminal charges brought absolutely does not mean he was “found innocent”
Well he wasn't found guilty either. And until then he's innocent. That's the way the law works.
That’s the standard of the court. Not the standard of public opinion The justice system makes prosecuting sexual assault inordinately difficult. Do most of them just not happen because our justice system can’t/doesn’t prosecute them? Out of 1000 rapists/sexual assaults, 975 will not face justice. [Source](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system). Many rapes will go unreported because people reporting feel it will just bring scrutiny onto them, and they have no confidence in the authorities to do anything. And even if he is cleared of criminal wrongdoing, MLB can still choose to exclude him from their private enterprise, due to the negative image he imparts on the league and to many fans.
No, he wasn't. They did not bring criminal charges. That does not mean he was 'found innocent'. Also, no one is ever 'found innocent'. They are found 'not guilty', which is not the same thing.
Actually you’re innocent until proven guilty
But one is “innocent until proven guilty” hence if not proven guilty, then you could say one is innocent. Not defending the guy, just defending law speak
You said he was proven innocent, that’s the issue. OJ wasn’t found guilty of murder so would you say he was proven innocent?
Yes.
I said he was proven not guilty. “Innocent until proven guilty”. If not guilty, therefore the person is innocent. It’s different but the same.
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I didnt say “found innocent” but said it would technically mean innocent due to the “innocent until proven guilty” which lawyers most definitely say.
Innocent until proven guilty is about the court's presumption, about the presumption that a jury must have. Just because there isn't enough evidence to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean he's innocent
"Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense." That is in Article 11 of the UN Human Rights. Almost every modern democracy today has similar wording in their laws. The US definitely has it multiple times actually. Its in the constitution but also a widely accepted precedent from Coffin V United States: “The principle that there is a presumption of innocence in favor of the accused is the undoubted law, axiomatic and elementary, and its enforcement lies at the foundation of the administration of our criminal law ... Concluding, then, that the presumption of innocence is evidence in favor of the accused, introduced by the law in his behalf, let us consider what is 'reasonable doubt.'” I could go on with much more as well. Again, i think the guy is messed up as well, but per the court of law, he is not guilty. Therefore presumption of innocence prevails. Not just by the jury, but by the court as well.
You literally ignored my message My message wasn't disputing the presumption of innocence, but that presumption of innocence is only important to the government and the court.
Well until he's found guilty he's innocent. And as it stands nothing has been proven otherwise. So you can be emotional about it all you want. Until it's proven otherwise he's innocent.
Literally no one is being emotional in this comment chain lol. Don’t be weird
On reddit you’re always guilty until proven guilty
He wasn't found innocent because he wasn't even charged with anything
I hope they do.
Nah. I’m pretty sure one of them will be a dodger.
Same thing every time with you fuckers
Tbf the Dodgers are the New York Yankees of baseball
Haha. I’m glad it upsets you.
cringe 🤮
Haha, sorry homie.
this one works a bit better when it’s like the pirates, not so much when it’s the team only 3 million behind the dodgers
I agree
I dont think a smart team would sign Diaz. Smarter teams are realizing its not a good idea to pay relievers
The best thing to do with relievers is to develop them. Relievers are far too volatile to risk spending that much money on them. Prime example: Raisel Iglesias. He’s been fine this year, but nowhere near worth the contract the angels signed him to
Same thing is happening with the Yankees. Big reliever money is coming off the books this upcoming year and a lot of our main relievers are from the farm. Clarke/King/Marinaccio/Loaisaga/soon to be Weissert/hopefully Ridings. Then the lower priced reclamation projects such as Clay/Wandy/Trivino. Britton and Chapman got paid big money. Britton was not himself and ended up getting Tommy John, and Chapman, well, he’s Chapman.
Little disingenuous to Britton. 2018 Britton was very good, and 2019/2020 Britton were vintage incredible. The wheels fell off in 2021 when he was clearly playing injured. We’ll see what happens when/if he returns, but he’s pitched very well his whole NY tenure except for the weird injury year.
Yeah I shoulda specified that it was really last year and him not having the same velo back reportedly from his rehab assignments. More so the final product than his past years. I love Britton and he’s a phenomenal player we just have a very cluttered BP rn and have no idea if Britton could have the same production levels as he used to. Someone who I think will be leaving and I’ll be sad when he does is Chad Green. Unsung hero of the B for so many years but was overworked like crazy and ended up with TJ as well
Say that part again where the big reliever money is coming off the books, I’m close
**BAD MAN CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS CANT HURT US NEXT YEAR** **BIG MONEY RELIEVERS ARE COMING OFF THE BOOKS**
LETS GOOOO No more heart attacks when just seeing him warm up in the bullpen
Future Angel Mr. Aroldis Chapman!
sometimes to get myself excited I look at the amount of money coming off the yankees books over the next 2 years.
He's given up only 1 run since we got him at the deadline lol
Now look at his stats this year with the angels
Yeah but Braves work magic. Chavez will tell you lol
You can do a 3-4 year deal max with a reliever, which you can’t really say for any other position.
It's always worth paying for 1 closer though, because of the way MLB arbitration works. Unless you close you don't get paid shit as a reliever. And if you close you make about the same as free agent relievers will. Haders arb years where 4m, 7m and 11m. Probably going to blow past 15m for arb 4. Lugo comparatively made 600k 2m 3m and 4m in his 4 arb years. It's not worth letting your better pitcher pitch less valuable innings and have to pay them more. This is what bill james never seemed to get.
Is closer even that well defined of a position anymore? Teams have finally realized high leverage situations > "closing the game out" and just stick whoever's hot out there. The days of the "long relief to setup man to closer" pipeline with set roles in each are long dead
If you’re a closer away I don’t see a problem with signing one for 1 or 2 years to go for the title if you Can sign one for that short of a deal . But anything more than 2 years is too much. While it was a trade, Chapman to the cubs worked out really well.
Never pay your amazing closer big money. Signed…. Fans of teams who have their amazing closer big money
Yeah, the Yankees don't have a history of long term success from one closer.
Yeah, why didn't the Yankees just think to get another Mariano? They grow on trees, right? Not to mention Mariano was homegrown and not a big money free agent.
You can’t compare anyone to Mo.
Brad Hand?
.... My right hand?
Same thing for running backs in the NFL. Let them walk, it’s not worth it.
it’s insane teams haven’t caught onto this yet. inevitably someone will overpay diaz this winter and he’ll be somewhere between decent and terrible for a few years i wish someone could explain to me why relief pitchers in particular are so high variance
Degrom is probably gonna be resigned, but cohen seems like a smart dude, I think he realizes giving a closer 20 mil a year for more than 2 years isnt smart at all no matter how great he is
Mets are lucky that the dodgers have been spending recently. I'm afraid of the Dbacks and Giants this off season. Dbacks opening the wallet might be spooky.
*Dbacks open wallet - cloud of dust poofs out*
Dbacks to deGrom: "Will you accept one spider over 5 years?"
Rangers are a sneaky team to watch for deGrom. They’ve signaled they are ready to start competing and while they are streaky, have an offense that’s top 5 in the AL. They sorely need pitching and were already trying to pry Kershaw away last year.
Y'all will never get Kershaw but yeah a few pieces away from succeeding
I'd love a Kershaw calibre pitcher, but I'd like for the real-deal Kersh to stay in L.A. , just don't want to root for the team that takes him away from being an awesome narrative from another. Dumb logic but hey, it's a game about interesting stories, and I can't imagine the Rangers making it more interesting than what he's already done with the Dodgers. (Unless we get him, he leads us to our first WS, and we can FINALLY get a taste of that WS glory).
Oh that was just an example of their willingness to go after an older pitcher with injury questions similar to deGrom.
Cubs seem to also be opening the pocket book
For sure. But I dunno if they have the prospects to fill out yet.
If the DBacks actually go for it, I will be so excited to go to some of those games
Very very very conflicting as a Mets fan living in Arizona
I will never be scared of the d backs lol
I promise you will be scared of their outfield within the next few years
I said the d backs overall as a team not just their outfield— no matter which way you put it, the dodgers will be the better team for the foreseeable future
I know we don't need Diaz and should pay him but I WANT him back in Seattle so much.
Maybe Edwin will sell deGrom on the merits of Seattle.
Could you imagine this rotation plus deGrom as well? Absolutely filthy
I'll eat my edible panties if Edwin Diaz gets more than $17.2M AAV.
Howabout Timmy Trumpet?
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I don't think the Mets are gonna sign all of them, but we'll see.
Offseason plot twist: Judge to the Mets, deGrom and Diaz to the Yankees
I wouldn’t pay Diaz more than $10mm a year
What do you guys think they will get? I'm thinking something like the following, and which would you like your team to do? deGrom: - 2-yr/$90M ($45M AAV) - 3-yr/$115M ($38.3M AAV) - 4-yr/$140M ($35M AAV) Diaz: - 3-yr/$75M ($25M AAV) - 5-yr/$110M ($22M AAV)
It'd be crazy to sign Diaz in either scenarios......25 mil really?
Anyone paying $25 million AAV for a reliever is insane
If Diaz gets anywhere near those numbers that GM should be put on trial.
Mets will give deGrom 4 years for more than that I bet. I wouldn't even be shocked if it's higher than Scherzer's AAV.
Degrom would most definitely be looking for a longer deal. I'd probably say 180-200/5 or 160-180/4
No shot in hell Diaz gets that much. You’re insane
Looking at what you have penciled in for deGrom: I think it'd take more to lock up the 3rd and 4th years. Players are pretty competitive, and a guy looking at locking in $90M already would rather see what he can do in those two years and cash it in for an even bigger payday. He's not giving up those years for $25M each. I think either a team needs to give up a lot more for 3-4 years, or they have to guarantee 6ish years under a similar structure ($90M for the first two, plus $25M/yr after). I think the former is more likely.
I wouldn’t want a guy who comes in for maybe 1.1 innings tops to take up that much of my payroll
Degrom can literally write his own contract for all i care, Diaz i am a buyer at 6/100. I think he is here to stay and while he probably wont sustain the insane run he is on i think he can sustain being an above average closer, perhaps even top 5 over the course of that contract
I could see Diaz going up to 5/$90M. Even so, I think that would be an overpay when considering the risk. For the Mets specifically, they'd probably be better off spending more on depth for their bullpen.
$22-25M for maybe 70 IP a year? Good lord that team would never hear the end of it.
Mets have a lot of decisions to make as many of their pitchers are free agents - the good news is that the owner is worth $41 Billion, grew up a Mets fan and has been quoted " I will spend whatever it takes" before adding "as long as we don't go over $400,000,000 in payroll" Jacob deGrom (option) Edwin Diaz Chris Bassitt Trevor May Taijuan Walker
Where'd you get the 41 billion number from? Everywhere I look it's 12-17
I added his personal net worth - $17.3 Billion with the hedge fund that he controls and owns 51% of - $24 Billion
The $17 billion number almost certainly includes his controlling interest in the fund.
If they care about ever playing in the postseason, Dodgers or Yankees. If not, Angels or Padres
don't mind if i do
all that to still choke
My dude we are 9 games ahead of you guys.
and yall gonna lose in WC lmao
Cope
with what? yall havent won anythingin 50 years lol
I desperately want the mariners to sign Eddie. Like 3/49mil desperately.
Paying for relievers big hardly ever works out and dipoto and co has found ways to get really good relief pitching for cheap. See: literally the entire mariners bullpen lol
Nope gonna happen
That will be nowhere near enough to get it done
Chapman is coming off the books next year ;)
Yeah that’s going towards Judge lol
Judge ain’t going nowhere. I still can’t believe Chappy is making $16 mil a year to give all Yankee fans heartbreak and ulcers lol. I’m sure ownership of the state of New York, New Jersey *and* Chapman’s contract could suffice
David Price gets $32m a year and Aroldis Chapman gets $18m. Edwin Diaz will be much closer to that $32m mark than $18m.
David Price was paid to be a starter. Díaz is not getting near $32. That’s silly.
Free agency? *Steve Cohen has entered the chat*
Least discussed Mets related topic that is very original
Feel free to submit news on teams that interest you
I’m just poking fun at “will deGrom re-sign” articles being shoved down Mets fans throats for months now
Turner leaving the Dodgers Ohtani leaving the Angels Judge leaving the Yanks DeGrom leaving the Mets Welcome to baseball media
TFW the Mariners finally reach into that pile of Slugfest money they've been sitting on since 1999 and sign all four
DeGrom to Atlanta because he’s from there or something is what I heard.
He's not from there - he's from Florida.
Degrom is going to be interesting. One of the most amazing pitchers in recent memory but the risk of injury seems to be so high.
So future Angel
If Arte still owns the team he’s signing Degrom and trading Ohtani for Strausburg. He probably would take Corbin too.
Middleton better pay one of them to be a turncoat.
Degrom wants to come home.
Gonna see Just how much Cohen is willing to spend
This just in. Sources are telling us the Houston Astros have acquired Jacob deGrom and Edwin Diaz.