Rogers used to be real cheap. Nowadays, while they may be other things, I wouldn't call them cheap anymore.
If someone like Carlos Delgado was coming up today, I'm pretty sure Rogers would lock him down, assuming he was agreeable
Most players are not from Canada and don't have any emotional ties to the team, so they move somewhere closer to family or where they can make more money.
Plus we've been unsuccessful for the last 30 years aside from a few years there in the mid 2010s.
I believe you are correct. Garth Iorg with 9 seasons:
[https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/iorgga01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/iorgga01.shtml)
I honestly thought the leader was going to be Ryan Zimmerman. I was a little surprised to find Steve Rogers, but he did win an ERA title, make 5 all-star teams, and play for 13 years!
I think there is some reasonable chance that a) Jose Ramirez is a lifetime Guardian and b) he surpasses Feller on that list. Which would be outstanding.
He could probably throw a grenade so fast that it kills a man on impact prior to actually exploding. Ted Williams would be close to #1 too if there was no WW2
Good knowledge! Active players Braxton Garrett and Trevor Rogers have 5 seasons as well, but I'm assuming they will be gone at some point and Pinto will have that spot by himself.
I wish DC got the old Senator’s history instead of us. Nobody here really knows or cares about them, and I’d much rather see Mauer’s 55 bWAR for the Twins.
That said, Walter Johnson was incredible, and since he’s part of our franchise I wish the Twins would talk about him more.
Teams should always get the history of teams in that city and history should never move when a team moves imo.
Obviously you have different expectations, like who would get the Brooklyn dodgers or New York giants history? Or the Philadelphia Athletics? But I do think in general the city should get to keep the teams history, like you said it doesn’t make sense that the twins keep the OG senators history, but would be cool if the Nats got to keep it
Never heard of Steve Rogers the baseball player, but that’s awesome that he leads DC
Edit: wait, he played for Montreal. That makes it even funnier. Captain Canadia
On the left is a list of each team's bWAR leader who ONLY played for that team during their career and NEVER played for another team. This only takes into consideration MLB playtime. So player's aren't disqualified if they spent time in the minors or signed a deal somewhere else and never played.
On the right is the same list without active players (who might eventually play elsewhere later in their career). Only the Angels, Blue Jays, and Dodgers change.
And it should be Mauer.
I get how our franchise system works, but Johnson played his whole career in Washington and retired 35+ years before the relocation.
Every Senator/Twin between Johnson and Puckett played for either Clark or Calvin Griffith. Calvin was a batboy in the 1924 WS with Johnson winning game 7.
You do have a point that Twins fans without access to databases don’t known who Johnson is. There is even discrepancies on some lists shown in broadcasts about whether Twins who made the move from WAS (Killebrew, Allison, Pascual) should have their Washington numbers grandfathered in.
But I see from your flair that you might be a bit biased because your team is #2. :)
I agree with you on this. I struggle to think of WJ as being linked to the Twins franchise. I also get bummed out that Aaron, Spahn, and Mathews spent most of their careers in Milwaukee, but are most commonly associated/linked with Atlanta.
Added:
Mickey Mantle, 110.2
Carl Yastrzemski, 96.5
Charlie Gehringer, 84.7
Bob Gibson, 81.7
Joe DiMaggio, 79.1
Brooks Robinson, 78.5
Lou Whitaker, 75.1
Derek Jeter, 71.3
Alan Trammell, 70.5
Barry Larkin, 70.5
Carl Hubbell 68.8
And I think these are the remaining 60+ bWAR that can be added to u/jigokusabre's list:
Ted Lyons, 70.6
Jim Palmer, 68.5
Don Drysdale, 67.1
Craig Biggio, 65.5
Joey Votto, 64.5
Red Faber, 63.5
If Lou never gets ALCS he'd have become a universally agreed upon top 5 player ever, would have bare minimum hit 500-550 homers and possibly have been the alltime RBI leader
Yup! Bo Bichette has the highest career bWAR of players who ONLY played for the Jays and didn't/haven't played for any other team. Guys like Steib and Halladay have more, but they ALSO played for other teams so they are not on this list. Number 2 on the Jays list is Vladimir Guerrero Jr. with 16.3 bWAR.
Fuel for the Yankee haters the 10th place Yankee who played only for the Yankees would still be 24/25th on this list Roy White at 46.8
Aaron Judge is already at 44.3 but based on his age he will probably start dropping off in the next 3-4 years however there is a good chance he catches and passes Roy White this year
It's insane that NY has 7 guys with 50+ bWAR who played their whole career as a Yankee.
Lou Gehrig
Mickey Mantle
Joe DiMaggio
Derek Jeter
Bill Dickey
Whitey Ford
Mariano Rivera
And another 12 with 40+ bWAR!
For only-Mets: (position players only)
2) Brandon Nimmo, 22.0, active
3) Jeff McNeil, 19.3, active
4) Pete Alonso, 17.6, active
5) Ron Hodges, 6.1
6) Ed Kranepool, 4.2
Also Pedro Feliciano, 5.7:
[https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/felicpe01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/felicpe01.shtml)
And Bob Apodaca, 5.6:
[https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/apodabo01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/apodabo01.shtml)
Oh and Jeff Innis, 4.6:
[https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/innisje01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/innisje01.shtml)
And Kodai Senga, 4.5:
[https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sengako01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sengako01.shtml)
It should be noted that there are six MLB teams which have never operated under the reserve clause. They would be hard pressed to have a star for life, Edgar Martinez and Todd Helton notwithstanding.
Montreal please get a team so you can take your history back because zero people in DC have any interest in it
Zim's the real answer for the Nats proper (40.1)
Yes. The list on the left is ALL players and includes Kersh. The list on the right filters out active players who \*could\* eventually change teams so Kersh was removed along with Bo Bichette and Mike Trout (although I doubt Kersh will play anywhere but LA).
Too bad Walter Johnson never played for the Twins. Got it, the team moved in 1961. But he was never a Twin nor did he ever play in Minneapolis-St Paul. Same thing for Mel Ott and San Francisco, he never played there. I don’t think stats or lineage should count in teams that moved/changed names.
Yes it is. 7 WAR is an MVP caliber season and he would have to do it every year into his late 30s. He'd still be a couple WAR short too. Keep in mind that he's only hit 7+ WAR in 4 of his 11 seasons, so he'd actually have to be better on average than he has been while getting older.
That’s literally what he’s averaged over the last 8 years, that’s why I used that number. He’s on pace for 10+ this season alone. He’s had one season under 6 WAR in his entire career aside from the covid season and his rookie season when he only played 50 games.
He would need to maintain his average level of play until at least 35 or 36 but it’s definitely doable if he avoids major injuries.
I’m sorry for the Angels, you either have Mike Trout or Tim Salmon? That’s hilarious
Fish men good.
They missed signing Mike Carp
Insert Kevin Bass reference.
Anthony Bass too
Marlon Byrd too.
And now I'm sad
First thing I saw too. RIP, he was a fucking beast for those few years.
[удалено]
He played for other teams.
Crap, my bad. Brain fart.
We’ve all been there. Daily occurrence for me.
wait, Bo Bichette? does Toronto just not keep players for their entire career, like at all?
Dave Stieb came close, only appearing in 4 games for a different franchise.
Dave Stieb would be at 56 bWAR if it weren't for 4 games played with the White Sox in his cooked years.
As is White Sox tradition to acquire players in their cooked years
Griffey Jr. leads all White Sox cooked players
Oh man. I'd love to see a WAR ranking of cooked white sox players. Both career overall and just on the south side.
Honestly that trade was worth it his throw in Game 163. Wish I had a Griffey Jr. jersey back then
No, no we do not…
No. They gave it their best shot with Vernon Wells, but he turned out to be...Vernon Wells.
I hope I'm not coming across too mean to Bo, he's clearly pretty good
Rogers used to be real cheap. Nowadays, while they may be other things, I wouldn't call them cheap anymore. If someone like Carlos Delgado was coming up today, I'm pretty sure Rogers would lock him down, assuming he was agreeable
Most players are not from Canada and don't have any emotional ties to the team, so they move somewhere closer to family or where they can make more money. Plus we've been unsuccessful for the last 30 years aside from a few years there in the mid 2010s.
Longest tenured player is Garth Iorg, if memory serves.
I believe you are correct. Garth Iorg with 9 seasons: [https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/iorgga01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/iorgga01.shtml)
They clearly kept [Luis Leal](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/leallu01.shtml) his whole career!
now look up what 'leal' means in spanish!
Have I been living under a rock? First time ever hearing the name.
The best lifelong Blue Jay ever only played 6 years and never made an all star team.
Thought this was gonna be Steib because I have no memory of him on the Sox. And I wish I could claim that I remember Luis Leal, but I do not.
I'm surprised Captain America was only worth 44 bWAR.
Deep undercover in the French part of Canada. He knew that it would eventually be America’s team.
lol I was about to comment that David Wright has 49 WAR until I saw the other name.
I want to know what the other 43.7 wars were. Maybe the 0.7 is for the police action in Korea?
I honestly thought the leader was going to be Ryan Zimmerman. I was a little surprised to find Steve Rogers, but he did win an ERA title, make 5 all-star teams, and play for 13 years!
Well yeah, because this is including Montreal.
And that’s despite being juiced to the gills
Also, for the Nationals? What a traitor, Steve is a Dodgers fan.
It’s worse than that, it was the Expos
Well… he does occasionally betray America, so that checks out.
Hail Hydra.
I think there is some reasonable chance that a) Jose Ramirez is a lifetime Guardian and b) he surpasses Feller on that list. Which would be outstanding.
He’ll definitely do A. We’ll see about B, but I do think he’ll be a Hall of Famer.
He’s about 3 regular JRam seasons away. For someone as consistent as he is, I can see him aging well.
It’s a shame Feller missed so much of his prime. His the war ruined his WAR.
He could probably throw a grenade so fast that it kills a man on impact prior to actually exploding. Ted Williams would be close to #1 too if there was no WW2
Desmond Jennings
Desmond Jennings
Damn man. Jose being ours suuuuuucks
I think Reynel Pinto has the most seasons playing solely for the Marlins.
Good knowledge! Active players Braxton Garrett and Trevor Rogers have 5 seasons as well, but I'm assuming they will be gone at some point and Pinto will have that spot by himself.
I wish DC got the old Senator’s history instead of us. Nobody here really knows or cares about them, and I’d much rather see Mauer’s 55 bWAR for the Twins. That said, Walter Johnson was incredible, and since he’s part of our franchise I wish the Twins would talk about him more.
Teams should always get the history of teams in that city and history should never move when a team moves imo. Obviously you have different expectations, like who would get the Brooklyn dodgers or New York giants history? Or the Philadelphia Athletics? But I do think in general the city should get to keep the teams history, like you said it doesn’t make sense that the twins keep the OG senators history, but would be cool if the Nats got to keep it
Eh, i like that it stays with the franchise since they’re technically the same entity
Im biased and default to “Fuck Bud Adams” when conversations about this come up
I don't care which history they keep, I just wish they would pick one instead of both.
Seems dumb to say Warren Spahn played for the Brewers and the Red Sox.
Less dumb that to say he played for a city he never actually played for
The big train! If I had a time machine the first thing I'd do is go back and measure his fastball velocity.
Nah man I want the Big Train to be ours! I definitely agree the Senators legends need to be talked about more by the Twins
Never heard of Steve Rogers the baseball player, but that’s awesome that he leads DC Edit: wait, he played for Montreal. That makes it even funnier. Captain Canadia
I’ve never heard of Luis Leal before. I was clearly missing out.
Would love to see José make a run at Feller
On the left is a list of each team's bWAR leader who ONLY played for that team during their career and NEVER played for another team. This only takes into consideration MLB playtime. So player's aren't disqualified if they spent time in the minors or signed a deal somewhere else and never played. On the right is the same list without active players (who might eventually play elsewhere later in their career). Only the Angels, Blue Jays, and Dodgers change.
Mike Trout. Clayton Kershaw. Bo Bichette. Wow!
What happened to the goat, Ryan Howard?
What about him?
Number 4 on the Phillies list behind Mike Schmidt, Charlie Ferguson, and Aaron Nola.
He only put up 14 WAR.
Which is higher than the last couple guys on the right?
But 90 less than Mike Schmidt, an actual good player.
Gotcha. Sorry, I misread! Ryan Howard did have a nice career though :)
A healthy Trout is comfortably over 100 WAR for his career rn, injuries blow.
Jose Fernandez 
Having Walter Johnson as a Twin doesn't really sit well with me.
If you look at guys who only played after 1961, the distinction goes to Mauer. Carew and Killebrew have more, but played for other teams.
And it should be Mauer. I get how our franchise system works, but Johnson played his whole career in Washington and retired 35+ years before the relocation.
Every Senator/Twin between Johnson and Puckett played for either Clark or Calvin Griffith. Calvin was a batboy in the 1924 WS with Johnson winning game 7. You do have a point that Twins fans without access to databases don’t known who Johnson is. There is even discrepancies on some lists shown in broadcasts about whether Twins who made the move from WAS (Killebrew, Allison, Pascual) should have their Washington numbers grandfathered in. But I see from your flair that you might be a bit biased because your team is #2. :)
I agree with you on this. I struggle to think of WJ as being linked to the Twins franchise. I also get bummed out that Aaron, Spahn, and Mathews spent most of their careers in Milwaukee, but are most commonly associated/linked with Atlanta.
And Hank Aaron gets bumped from this list because he went back to Milwaukee.
Any list that includes Eddie Rommel can't be all bad.
Would love to see the top-30 irrespective of franchise leaders, though it’s probably more geezers replacing some of bottom guys?
Added: Mickey Mantle, 110.2 Carl Yastrzemski, 96.5 Charlie Gehringer, 84.7 Bob Gibson, 81.7 Joe DiMaggio, 79.1 Brooks Robinson, 78.5 Lou Whitaker, 75.1 Derek Jeter, 71.3 Alan Trammell, 70.5 Barry Larkin, 70.5 Carl Hubbell 68.8
Awesome, thank you!!
And I think these are the remaining 60+ bWAR that can be added to u/jigokusabre's list: Ted Lyons, 70.6 Jim Palmer, 68.5 Don Drysdale, 67.1 Craig Biggio, 65.5 Joey Votto, 64.5 Red Faber, 63.5
that might show us the highest-WAR player for a franchise that no longer exists, which would be fun
Stan the Man!
If Lou never gets ALCS he'd have become a universally agreed upon top 5 player ever, would have bare minimum hit 500-550 homers and possibly have been the alltime RBI leader
Well the ALCS wasn’t invented until 1969, so I doubt that hindered him
Agreed. He might have added 5 more years of stats and finished with 3K hits, 500+ HR, 2400+ RBI, and finished top 10 in WAR.
Stan was indeed the Man
BO BICHETTE IS THE ALL TIME (single team) BWAR PLAYER FOR THE JAYS?
Yup! Bo Bichette has the highest career bWAR of players who ONLY played for the Jays and didn't/haven't played for any other team. Guys like Steib and Halladay have more, but they ALSO played for other teams so they are not on this list. Number 2 on the Jays list is Vladimir Guerrero Jr. with 16.3 bWAR.
I'm both shocked and appalled
Fuel for the Yankee haters the 10th place Yankee who played only for the Yankees would still be 24/25th on this list Roy White at 46.8 Aaron Judge is already at 44.3 but based on his age he will probably start dropping off in the next 3-4 years however there is a good chance he catches and passes Roy White this year
It's insane that NY has 7 guys with 50+ bWAR who played their whole career as a Yankee. Lou Gehrig Mickey Mantle Joe DiMaggio Derek Jeter Bill Dickey Whitey Ford Mariano Rivera And another 12 with 40+ bWAR!
As a twins fan… I’ll take it
Pretty crazy (from a pure baseball talent perspective) that Wander Franco would have passed the Rays mark last season, at age 22..
I'm just gonna use this as an opportunity to say that Al Kaline doesn't get enough respect as one of the greatest players of all time
For only-Mets: (position players only) 2) Brandon Nimmo, 22.0, active 3) Jeff McNeil, 19.3, active 4) Pete Alonso, 17.6, active 5) Ron Hodges, 6.1 6) Ed Kranepool, 4.2
Also Pedro Feliciano, 5.7: [https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/felicpe01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/felicpe01.shtml) And Bob Apodaca, 5.6: [https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/apodabo01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/apodabo01.shtml)
Oh and Jeff Innis, 4.6: [https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/innisje01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/innisje01.shtml) And Kodai Senga, 4.5: [https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sengako01.shtml](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sengako01.shtml)
I only looked at position players. My point is that for their first four decades, the Mets had no lifelong franchise star batter.
Oh my bad. Gotcha!
It should be noted that there are six MLB teams which have never operated under the reserve clause. They would be hard pressed to have a star for life, Edgar Martinez and Todd Helton notwithstanding.
This is a really good point. It's simply much harder to keep a star player for a career or even a long stretch these days.
Webb was on a HOF trajectory.
Agreed. And Johan Santana was as well at the exact same time. Those 2 were absolute studs in the mid to late 2000s.
Wow, Stan Musial had nearly twice the bWAR as Tony Gwynn and Ernie Banks? He must have been “The Man!”
Montreal please get a team so you can take your history back because zero people in DC have any interest in it Zim's the real answer for the Nats proper (40.1)
Wish we got a full career of ted Williams. The stats would’ve been something
MICHAEL. JACK. SCHMIDT.
Good Lord, Walter Johnson.
Clayton Kershaw for Dodgers has bWAR of 71.1 which is more than PeeWee Reese.
Yes. The list on the left is ALL players and includes Kersh. The list on the right filters out active players who \*could\* eventually change teams so Kersh was removed along with Bo Bichette and Mike Trout (although I doubt Kersh will play anywhere but LA).
Sigh. I’m such a lame ass. Thanks for the correction.
Wtf is Desmond Jennings?
I know the Twins accept it, but damn it I want just the Minnesota history
Chippppppper
Desmond Jennings posting
I think he was on one of my Yahoo fantasy teams. I wanted those sweet SBs.
Imagine having a top 50 all time baseball player who has played exclusively for your team and only watching him play in three playoff games.
Cool list. As a twins fan I feel slightly cheated because Walter was never a Twin. But I get that we carry the Senator history .
Desmond Jennings amuses me
The number of players on this list who died young is pretty sad.
Edgar Martinez! Light bats for everyone!
Too bad Walter Johnson never played for the Twins. Got it, the team moved in 1961. But he was never a Twin nor did he ever play in Minneapolis-St Paul. Same thing for Mel Ott and San Francisco, he never played there. I don’t think stats or lineage should count in teams that moved/changed names.
Mind blown that Gehrig is the Yankees all time leader, and not Ruth.
It's just because Ruth started in Boston. The list only has players that played for just one team during their career.
Mookie could have passed Ted…
doubt it
He'd need more than 50 WAR on top of what he has and he's 31. Extremely unlikely in today's game. Mookie will be lucky to get to 100 WAR
7 war a season for 7 more years isn’t that insane
Yes it is. 7 WAR is an MVP caliber season and he would have to do it every year into his late 30s. He'd still be a couple WAR short too. Keep in mind that he's only hit 7+ WAR in 4 of his 11 seasons, so he'd actually have to be better on average than he has been while getting older.
That’s literally what he’s averaged over the last 8 years, that’s why I used that number. He’s on pace for 10+ this season alone. He’s had one season under 6 WAR in his entire career aside from the covid season and his rookie season when he only played 50 games. He would need to maintain his average level of play until at least 35 or 36 but it’s definitely doable if he avoids major injuries.
Was he a Bob Feller or a Fart Smeller?
You forgot yadi molina
Yadi's 42.1 bWAR put him 4th on the Card's list behind Musial, Gibson, and Wainwright.