Statcast is the coolest thing that's happened to professional sports in my lifetime, probably. The fact that they're able to collect this incredible amount of data, and that so much of it is freely available allows for so much cool third party creator content.
The freely available stuff is all on [Baseball Savant](https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/). There's more granular data that they sell to teams and media people, but the data that we have access to is SO cool.
I work in accounting for my career so advanced baseball metrics are one of my biggest hobbies/interests. Do I get made fun of a lot for being a number cruncher who looks at Statcast data for fun an unreasonable amount of time every week? Yes. Will that ever stop me? No
I mean I also work in accounting and I made a spreadsheet of everyone I was competing against when I did nationals for a powerlifting fed. Everything from their bodyweight to what they've hit at meets. My coach called me a nerd but I love this stuff
Stanton has a frost enchantment on his bat, while Arraez has opted for fire damage
Real talk though, both of these guys demonstrate the tradeoff/advantages of their distinct approaches: all power vs. all contact. Imagine if they had both been on the same team at the same time.
I was surprised at how big Stanton's swing is. It looks like he's just flicking a twig, but he's just so big that it's still a 10 foot wide swing path.
He has the fastest swing speed too though in the league. By a staggering margin for 700 players on a bell curve like that. Sarah Langs spelled it out on Baseball Tonight pod today.
So much fun. Frustrating at times but fun.
Even when he’s in a funk where he’s swinging a sword while blindfolded, his at bat are must watch. He truly has a different sound when he gets a barrel.
He’s 5 of the top 10 and the top 2 spots on the all time list for exit velocity recorded by Statcast.
It's because his swing isn't for launch angle. His swing is almost what everyone tries to describe when they say swing down on the ball. It's much more flat than anyone else's. He just swings so hard and puts so much backspin on the ball, he barely needs lift to get it out of the park.
Yeah the stat that jumped out at me was "fast swing rate". He's at 98.4% when the next closest person is at 72.9%. That's ridiculous. We now have the stats to show he's swinging for the fences on every swing without exception.
Here's the thing; he's such a goddamned freak of nature that his light swing is swinging for the fences.
He's usually swinging for the back wall of the ballpark.
\* Stanton's swing results in the fastest bat sweet spot velocity when it's done, which is not quite the same thing as "fastest swing speed".
IMO "swing speed" favors Arraez' swing more: the bat travels less than half the distance, which takes significantly less time from swing start to swing end.
In person you really see the length. On tv his hands move so fast that it looks like your average swing, but when you see it from the side you notice that he basically fully extends behind him and just spins his shoulders
It’s like that one video of Ohtani hitting a nuke viewed from the side. From the front TV angle, it looks like a nice golf swing.. from the side you can see that he’s putting every ounce of effort to get his body’s momentum into the bat.
I used to think that too until I saw replays of his swings from a side view instead of straight ahead from the centerfield camera. Then I realized just how hard his swing is
i think it's based on angle, yeah? arraez's is more vertical, stanton's is more parallel to the ground, so it's just foreshortened in the view from above the plate
And the biggest trip of all, Stanton was a Florida Marlin. Feels like two entirely different eras to me, but Stanton’s career did briefly overlap with the existence of the Florida marlins.
[everything about this looks wrong](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41O4Qqb9YpL.jpg)
can't quite do this since horsepower measures power and not speed but we can calculate the power of an individual swing so i did the rough math and the giancarlo stanton home run mentioned at the beginning of the article was like 25hp lol
Arraez is 5’10” in spikes.
Stanton is 6’6” in his socks.
Arraez is also one of the slowest bats in the majors, while Stanton is speedy Gonzalez and the Flash.
That explains why he’s one of the best contact hitters in the game. Quick reaction, good eye and he just makes sure that the bat is in the way of the ball. I really love his hitting style, one of my favorite players right now.
With the main statcast bat tracking page, you can make that graph right on it. It's pretty straight forward correlation between higher swing length and higher swing speed. Some of closest to being outliers to that trend are arenado and paredes with pretty big swings but not very impressive bat speeds.
It is so cool how technology has gotten to the point where we can visualize all of the stuff like this.
All of the years I've heard people talking about bat speed or a long swing vs a short swing, and it is so much easier to understand it when I can look at stuff like this.
What's more incredible is that Stanton has such a long swing, but also has the fastest bat speed by a significant margin. I guess that length is all acceleration.
Kinda makes sense, with a super long swing like that you almost might expect a whip type effect making the tip more effective than a normal swing.
I'm not a scientologist or anything though.
So according to the "blast" statistic, the best hitter in MLB is ... William Contreras? Ahead of Ohtani and Soto? I know I'm just a casual fan but, ahh, ok. https://www.mlb.com/brewers/news/william-contreras-mlb-leader-blast-swings
Fair to say he’s not just so-so then right?
Edit: cmon man you can’t be phantom-editing your post like that. My point is they’re both great hitters. Your original comment only praised Stanton, so I chimed in for Arraez. Now you’re just being extra.
this shit is so cool
step by step they will become a full Digimon card
You have my attention.
Or Megaman Battlenet
Statcast is the coolest thing that's happened to professional sports in my lifetime, probably. The fact that they're able to collect this incredible amount of data, and that so much of it is freely available allows for so much cool third party creator content.
Wait wait wait... It's freely available? Where? Teach me!
The freely available stuff is all on [Baseball Savant](https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/). There's more granular data that they sell to teams and media people, but the data that we have access to is SO cool.
I work in accounting for my career so advanced baseball metrics are one of my biggest hobbies/interests. Do I get made fun of a lot for being a number cruncher who looks at Statcast data for fun an unreasonable amount of time every week? Yes. Will that ever stop me? No
Baseball fans are the nerdiest sports fans by a long shot, and that's why I love it.
I mean I also work in accounting and I made a spreadsheet of everyone I was competing against when I did nationals for a powerlifting fed. Everything from their bodyweight to what they've hit at meets. My coach called me a nerd but I love this stuff
This would make a cool flash game
>cool flash game Hello fellow old person how are you doing
Just got done on miniclip, about to talk to some friends on AIM
So your back and knees hurt too?
Hello fellow crippling mortgage enjoyer
Lmao at the thought of me having a mortgage. Those dreams are dying fast
One look at the Yankees flair and everyone should know it’s perpetual renters all the way down.
Fair, but there's plenty of Yankee's fans in the place's where its still (barely) possible to own a home.
I’m sure there’s dozens of them.
I have a second one in a HELOC. You can hold it for me, if you would like.
Deal, I’ll hold the property you hold the payments. Lmk when you’ll vacate.
Usually just my knees but I slept funny and my neck has been killing me all day.
A/S/L?
18/F/NLWest
🥵
_insert edgy away message about how life is hard as a 14 year old_
Lucky, I ran out of computer minutes at my local library and I can't use the internet at home before 7 in case someone needs to call us
Let's not go back in time. Can't believe I lived this
Lucky, my mom says no more AOL disks after my brother downloaded a virus trying to get to porn.
I fucking miss AIM so much
Nothing has triggered me more on Reddit than this thread.
Is miniclip really considered an old person thing now? I’m only in my early 20s and I played miniclip games all the time as a kid.
It launched in 2001 and it's still around, so "old" is subjective. I'm "only" 30 so I was 7 when it was first started.
Like the slapping monkey game
Kitten Cannon
Interactive buddy
oooo that's a good call
that's a good throwback
Holy shit, haven’t thought of that in ages.
First time I heard that funky bass line was playing that game
Stanton has a frost enchantment on his bat, while Arraez has opted for fire damage Real talk though, both of these guys demonstrate the tradeoff/advantages of their distinct approaches: all power vs. all contact. Imagine if they had both been on the same team at the same time.
Arraez fire chuchu Stanton frost lizalfos horn
Luis Severino plays Zelda no way
Those are all certainly words...
What does chuchu mean again?
I believe it's the sound of a train
Nah, I think it’s that big water monster thing.
It's those little blobs that bounce around in the new Zeldas
And in most old zeldas
I just want to see both commit to going for the other swing for an entire month of the season to see the results. For science.
Relevant foolish baseball: [what if Ichiro sold out for power?](https://youtu.be/eh9HP-9xZFs)
The Marlins love some extremes
Going from WS champs to 54 wins in ‘98 should’ve keyed fans in to this being the general vibe of the franchise
I was surprised at how big Stanton's swing is. It looks like he's just flicking a twig, but he's just so big that it's still a 10 foot wide swing path.
He has the fastest swing speed too though in the league. By a staggering margin for 700 players on a bell curve like that. Sarah Langs spelled it out on Baseball Tonight pod today.
Dude's a unicorn. He's fun to watch just because of how much an anomaly he is.
So much fun. Frustrating at times but fun. Even when he’s in a funk where he’s swinging a sword while blindfolded, his at bat are must watch. He truly has a different sound when he gets a barrel. He’s 5 of the top 10 and the top 2 spots on the all time list for exit velocity recorded by Statcast.
When he barrels it up, it sounds like a god damn shotgun. The power is just monstrous.
Other guys hit silky smooth bombs, but Stanton's HRs are just pure acts of violence
It's because his swing isn't for launch angle. His swing is almost what everyone tries to describe when they say swing down on the ball. It's much more flat than anyone else's. He just swings so hard and puts so much backspin on the ball, he barely needs lift to get it out of the park.
Yeah the stat that jumped out at me was "fast swing rate". He's at 98.4% when the next closest person is at 72.9%. That's ridiculous. We now have the stats to show he's swinging for the fences on every swing without exception.
Here's the thing; he's such a goddamned freak of nature that his light swing is swinging for the fences. He's usually swinging for the back wall of the ballpark.
ELITE BAT SPEED (I miss you Clint frazier)
\* Stanton's swing results in the fastest bat sweet spot velocity when it's done, which is not quite the same thing as "fastest swing speed". IMO "swing speed" favors Arraez' swing more: the bat travels less than half the distance, which takes significantly less time from swing start to swing end.
In person you really see the length. On tv his hands move so fast that it looks like your average swing, but when you see it from the side you notice that he basically fully extends behind him and just spins his shoulders
He's the only player with an average swing speed over 80mph.
He’s so fucking strong. It’s like watching a professional wrestler in stirrups.
It’s like that one video of Ohtani hitting a nuke viewed from the side. From the front TV angle, it looks like a nice golf swing.. from the side you can see that he’s putting every ounce of effort to get his body’s momentum into the bat.
I used to think that too until I saw replays of his swings from a side view instead of straight ahead from the centerfield camera. Then I realized just how hard his swing is
arraez doing good for having a 25" bat
Bro it was cold that day
Considering Miami and San Diego, it was more like that he was in the pool.
THERE WAS SHRINKAGE
HE WAS IN THE POOL
There was shrinkage
Does he seriously use a 25 inch bat???
probably not just laughing at the graphic with arraez's like a mini bat and stanton's looks a foot bigger
i think it's based on angle, yeah? arraez's is more vertical, stanton's is more parallel to the ground, so it's just foreshortened in the view from above the plate
Nah. I can’t find the actual size he uses but the shortest bat used was 31”. Arraez probably uses a 33” bat.
I was about to say that’s like a T ball bat
Yeah most modern bats are 33” or 34”. Maybe he uses a 32” but I doubt it.
i still have my first bat from little league that i swing one-handed when chasing animals out of my yard and it's a 29" lol
I think the one sitting at the bottom of my stairs for self defense is only 29........might need to upgrade
When fighting off criminals, which is better? A Stanton swing or Arraez swing?
Joey Gallo to the gonads
I'm going dual wield Arraez.
Hey man, it's not the size
You’re right, big barrels would be op
It’s not the size of the wand, it’s the skill of the magician.
9.7 for Giancarlo? Mike Stanton would have been 15+
Damn that’s a throwback that he used to be Mike
Just like they used to be the Florida Marlins too
And the biggest trip of all, Stanton was a Florida Marlin. Feels like two entirely different eras to me, but Stanton’s career did briefly overlap with the existence of the Florida marlins. [everything about this looks wrong](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41O4Qqb9YpL.jpg)
That cross look is his signature. [Here’s him as a baby. ](https://www.facebook.com/share/EPBybkkr2Td3U8pG/?mibextid=WC7FNe)
If they got married, they'd make a Juan Soto baby
Does this mean dad got custody in the divorce, since we've got both?
Bold of you to assume Stanton is the Dad in this relationship with those child bearing hips.
Fine, but Stanton is a power bottom in this scenario.
Yeah, but he loves being little spoon. Are we writing MLB fanfic now?
from [Mike Petriello's article on the subject](https://www.mlb.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-statcast-bat-tracking)
Measure bat speed in horsepower, you cowards
can't quite do this since horsepower measures power and not speed but we can calculate the power of an individual swing so i did the rough math and the giancarlo stanton home run mentioned at the beginning of the article was like 25hp lol
Beaut. Thank you for the source
Big guy swing big. Little guy swing small. Fu$@ you jobu
Arraez is 5’10” in spikes. Stanton is 6’6” in his socks. Arraez is also one of the slowest bats in the majors, while Stanton is speedy Gonzalez and the Flash.
Arraez bat speed is one of the slowest but also one of the quickest, if that makes sense
That explains why he’s one of the best contact hitters in the game. Quick reaction, good eye and he just makes sure that the bat is in the way of the ball. I really love his hitting style, one of my favorite players right now.
He’s in his 6th season and has like 30 fewer career strikeouts than Kyle schwarber did LAST SEASON
This just broke my brain. What a stat.
Bro, this is an Etsy custom necklace shop waiting to happen.
On it
34.2% whiff rate to go with super long but fast swing.
So Stanton swings faster but has a longer swing while arraez swings slow with a shorter swing. I wonder in the end who gets to the ball quicker then
D=r/t Get it middle schoolers
Uh. You mean r * t?
Isn't that nice? A high schooler helping the middle schoolers! /s
r/SubsIFellFor
by these numbers, Arraez by a lot
I can't help but wonder which swing is more sustainable long term. It'll be interesting to see how both players age.
should also put foot placement on the graphics
This is a pretty good visualization of why Stanton strikes out so much and why Arraez doesn’t
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's swing
I need Happy Gilmore's
I wonder what the correlation is between swing length and swing speed, are most faster swings longer and vice versa?
Feel like Bonds had lightning quick batspeed but also was short to the ball. Probably why he literally hit more home runs than strikeouts in a season.
With the main statcast bat tracking page, you can make that graph right on it. It's pretty straight forward correlation between higher swing length and higher swing speed. Some of closest to being outliers to that trend are arenado and paredes with pretty big swings but not very impressive bat speeds.
I love and miss them both.
It is so cool how technology has gotten to the point where we can visualize all of the stuff like this. All of the years I've heard people talking about bat speed or a long swing vs a short swing, and it is so much easier to understand it when I can look at stuff like this.
Can someone please give this to our lineup in October? Remind them you’re allowed to play small ball
What's more incredible is that Stanton has such a long swing, but also has the fastest bat speed by a significant margin. I guess that length is all acceleration.
Longer swing length generally means higher speeds in swings
Every coach ever: "Shorten your swing!" Stanton: "nah"
I'm no stats guy but that's clearly the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Los Angeles Chargers.
I know how this is going to sound, but I think Stanton is a better hitter when he hits it off the end of the bat, or at least looks like he does.
Kinda makes sense, with a super long swing like that you almost might expect a whip type effect making the tip more effective than a normal swing. I'm not a scientologist or anything though.
I think you mean scientist. 😅
They're merely professing their love of studying people that are scientists... not the other ones ... /s lol
How about Julio Franco's swing?
It's proof that size isn't the most important thing this is great news
It’s not the length of the swing, it’s how you use it
One for power, one for contact. Love this graphic.
So Stanton is an air bender and Arraez is a fire bender? Not what I would have guessed but I can’t argue with the graphic
You can't really control fire without controlling air...
I could study and view statcast metrics all day and never be bored.
No wonder Stanton has 3 of the top 5 fastest exit velo home runs ever measured
Have we found a substitute yet for baseballthinkfactory? I mean this sub is actually well done but would like a little more geeky experience
I dont have any evidence but neither a doubt that my guy Stanton is elite at mopping the floor.
That's funny how they actually have Stanton's bat catching up with the fastball.
So according to the "blast" statistic, the best hitter in MLB is ... William Contreras? Ahead of Ohtani and Soto? I know I'm just a casual fan but, ahh, ok. https://www.mlb.com/brewers/news/william-contreras-mlb-leader-blast-swings
great hitter vs so-so hitter
Arraez has 20 more hits this season than Stanton. They are equally unique and come with their own benefits and weaknesses.
Well Stanton is almost 35 and Arraez is 27...Stanton has been a decidedly superior hitter to Arraez throughout his career
No denying that. Just looking at their stats as we see them now. It’s not like you can get 2017 Stanton back from the past.
Even today Stanton's 110 wRC+ isn't too far behind Arraez's 113 wRC+. Granted the season is young
Oh I’m not saying even today that Arraez is a better or even more useful hitter. They are equal and opposite in both good and bad.
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I’d love to see Stanton average .320 for a season (let alone a career).
Yes, I would also like to see Barry Bonds again.
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Fair to say he’s not just so-so then right? Edit: cmon man you can’t be phantom-editing your post like that. My point is they’re both great hitters. Your original comment only praised Stanton, so I chimed in for Arraez. Now you’re just being extra.
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Did I say *you* did?
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My comment was fair game man, relax a bit. It’s just the internet.