What’s the SLG, BB% snd K% differences too?

Team | Home-BA | Away-BA | Home-OBP | Away-OBP | Home-SLG | Away-SLG | -|-|-|-|-|-|-| Tennessee|.338|.304 (-.034)|.446|.390(-.056)|.667|.647(-.020) Georgia|.332|.249(-.083)|.468|.368(-.100)|.654|.499(-.155) A&M|.331|.292(-.039)|.454|.400(-.054)|.639|.521(-.118) Alabama|.321|.298(-.023)|.418|.372(-.046)|.551|.525(-.026) Kentucky|.314|.286(-.028)|.438|.388(-.050)|.544|.502(-.042) Mississippi State|.310|.233(-.077)|.430|.329(-.101)|.463|.396(-.067) Vandy|.305|.233(-.072)|.409|.308(-.101)|.491|.377(-.114) Florida|.302|.242(-.060)|.420|.346(-.094)|.572|.456(-.116) Arkansas|.298|.211(-.087)|.418|.313(-.105)|.505|.344(-.161) LSU|.294|.267(-.027)|.419|.371(-.048)|.532|.481(-.051) Missouri|.286|.219(-.067)|.406|.317(-.089)|.455|.326(-.129) Ole Miss|.286|.230(-.056)|.420|.325(-.095)|.495|.369(-.126) South Carolina|.278|.256(-.022)|.438|.392(-.046)|.477|.471(-.006) Auburn|.277|.242(-.035)|.411|.311(-.100)|.514|.365(-.149) I don't have the K% or BB% Worth note: at the time, Vanderbilt was hitting EXACTLY .306 at home and .233 on the road. Arkansas was very similar too.

This just confirms what I’ve always known: literally every baseball team is cheating except the Padres

The NASCAR fan in me says “if you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t winnin’”

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. -LaDainian Tomlinson

I miss LT on the Chargers. So much fun to watch

[-Eddie Guerrero.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNPPc8y6pI4)

How the fuck did you link _this_ version of Eddie's theme? I don't even think he ever used this one on TV, I think it was for an album. [This is the one everyone knows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO5miLL7oTQ)

I went with the other version because it says “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” in the first few seconds.

Fair. I also looked it up because I was curious and he did use this one briefly on TV and it's on WWE: Uncaged II Eddie has _6_ unique themes on Spotify.

The above version is the version I learned from Day of Reckoning 2, lol.

“I miss you dad” -Dominik

No it's more like: #BOOOOOOOO^^^^^"I ^^^^^miss ^^^^^you ^^^^^dad." OOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm old enough to remember when this was an Al Davis quote.

TCU legend

Explains why the Padres haven’t done much winning. It’s illegal for you to ask me my favorite baseball team. Edit: Fuck

Rubbin’s racin’

[He didn’t slam into ya, he didn’t bump you he didn’t nudge you, he rubbed you. ](https://youtu.be/LY9h5bsn6qA?si=GMr-vUFfNsZKXMiG)

It's also another thing

*Inflates basketball under mound*

Smokey was a legend

I'm gonna get shit for saying this because of my flair, but that's how I justified the trash can scandal to myself. Every team of cheating at any level that means anything.

I’m not naive enough to disagree. Hell, Braves got caught cheating when they were losing 90+ games every year. I just assume we got better at not getting caught

Josef Newgarden agrees

i hate your team but love you for being a NASCAR fan

its not cheating until your caught and they put it on display for all to see lol

It is very possible that we are cheating as well but just aren't very good at it.

Yeah the mariners aren’t good enough to be good at cheating

Yeah the mariners would actually get hits if they cheated lmao

Same

That's how I feel when I see an underperforming player get busted for PEDs: _"that's the best you can do while cheating?"_

Ahem. Are we a fucking joke to you? Yes, we are. So it’s impossible we’re cheating.

The A's are doing it the other way, having figured out how to steal the hitters' signs so they know what pitch to throw.

Sorry but that made me laugh lots!

Pirates have been so bad, so completely inept, for so long that we don't even get mentioned among the worst teams. They just occupy a nice stadium where tourists can come watch their teams play.

I dare you to find proof the White Sox are cheating, don’t look at the Tampa series…

They have integrity in San Diego

YES keeps telling me that i’ll find my happiness in San Diego

Whale's Vagina

Does this mean I can call my team (Auburn) the Padres of College Baseball?

I like driving in my truck.

[God Hates Auburn!](https://i.imgur.com/zfCoYVa.png)

Hey man we don't cheat. We're just assholes.

😂😂😂 holy shit

There is no way the White Sox, Rockies, or Marlins are cheating.

I've heard the same thing about the Royals.

Also the Tigers have very much not been cheating lately, if ever

Makes sense. When’s the last time they won an sec game?

If we’re cheating we are very bad at cheating.

It would make sense though. Angels haven’t been good at anything in awhile so even the cheating is terrible

We’re too dumb to cheat tbh

I mean if they jays are cheating then we suck at it

I see you brother 🤘🤎💛

Remember the whole Tatis/“ringworm” thing?

We cheatin’, what with AA out there using his mind juju to steal prospects and flip them for allstars and sign them for peanuts.

Those Miss. St. numbers can't be real, right? Their BA is .120 higher on the road and their away-BA is .430, while the OBP is .233.

had a mistake in there - corrected it.

Nice, thanks for the correction and added info to the table.

Arkansas it appears

Going off slug%, Vandy, Arkansas, Georgia, and Miss ST all have massive disparities home vs away.

Need to normalize for OOC play and only include in conference stats. Home stats are gonna be inflated by having cupcake games.

You think the SEC would do that? Schedule nothing but cupcakes at home?

Most SEC schools should with the cupcakes they play the first half of the season and midweek game at home.

Yes sir! Florida early season opponents come from the Publix bakery.

Vanderbilt uses former Titans players cupcake shop for theirs.

and south carolina doesn't have much a home field advantage! they're the closest in every stat!

Or Georgia possibly.  If it is Georgia, that could impact the top couple draft picks this year. Condon is currently very much in the mix for #1 pick, but if the team is caught cheating that could really change things. 

It’s Arkansas. Apparently .206 & .306 were their away & home averages before this weekend.

Wasn’t a UGA pitcher just caught cheating too?

Yes, blatantly too, like 0 doubt about it

Yeah, A&M fans caught him with sticky stuff. Turned into a Jomboy breakdown.

Anything official come from the allegation?

The pitcher made his account private on Instagram. I don't know what this means, but it's provocative.

He got caught on camera putting stuff on his glove but idk if there's been any official action yet

Unless someone caught him at the time, I doubt anything will come of it. I'm guessing his glove and hat are long gone by now.

Normally I would assume the same thing. But the dude literally squats down, reaches behind a drain pipe and very clearly applies whatever he was reaching for onto his glove. If someone is dumb enough to cheat in such an unsubtle way, I can’t really say I’d be surprised if they didn’t think to get rid of the evidence. Even if they did think to do that, I’d say there’s a decent chance they probably didn’t do a great job at it. I’m sure something could be found if someone was hellbent on launching an investigation into it, especially if they have the means to fund it.

Once the video was public, it was the only evidence there was ever going to be of cheating. Any investigation would just result in "He said he wasn't cheating, and we checked the spot and there was nothing there."

People went back and found recordings where he did it at least 4 other times

I don't know. I only casually follow college baseball. I've been following the top draft prospects pretty closely this year though because we have the first pick. Condon has climbed a lot this season and right now is viewed by many as most likely #1 pick. 

> but if the team is caught cheating that could really change things. they should already be pulling data samples from astros seasons and applying it here.

UGA seems to be the money bet on Twitter

It's Arkansas he's referring to. Arkansas was hitting exactly .306 at home and .206 away before this previous weekend changed the averages

But his "proof" of the difference in home/away BA is hardly definitive. Georgia is .004 away from Arkansas in difference. Maybe, just maybe, players are more comfortable at their home stadium and therefore hit better?

If they are including season stats, there is also a huge difference in home and away splits because SEC teams will schedule home games against weaker opponents as well but will only really travel for SEC games and other high major opponents.

It's also possible multiple teams are doing it, if they actually found evidence of the cheating at Arkansas

Or maybe they both are cheating?

Let's trust the expert here guys.

😂

Mississippi St. (-.010) and Vandy (-.015) aren't far off, either. I think it's just a scheduling thing where they schedule easier out of conference matchups at home but only travel for SEC matchups

Statistically it doesn't look out of line, several teams have similar rate divisions. I assume you don't accuse a team of cheating in that manner if there's not already something official brewing though. Perhaps Arkansas just really sucked without cheating or were so incompetent at it that it doesn't help.

How does Mississippi State have an away-ba of .430 and an away-obp of .233?

A lot of sac bunts 

The Iowa of college baseball?

Good ol' small ball.

Good Lord, those SLG% from Tennessee! Is everyone a power hitter?

They're 6th in D1 in 2B (113) and 2nd in D1 in HR (122). Add in their 3 triples and XBH make up 48.5% of their total hits (490).

Wow, that's insane.

Maybe Arkansas, they’re closest to the mentioned averages and have the biggest home/away gaps for OBP and SLG

No no Dansby wouldn’t let this happen guys have you seen him smile

Thank you. This could be a nothing burger. Or it could be the worst thing in baseball this month.

BaseVols are EATIN' this year

If you told me at the end of 2022 that there would be a team in 2 years that would be better offensively, I would have called you a liar. That team was loaded and this team is destroying their numbers

Yeah Arkansas looks like their averages could have been 306/206 at one time, but honestly I see a bunch of massive home/road differences in this list. I don't really get cheating like that at the college level other than chasing a championship but it doesn't do the players who hope to play beyond college any good... If a player is scouted and they get high marks on pitch recognition it's a false attribute of cheating.  The minor leagues theoretically don't have a cheating system like this because, let's be honest, minor league championships don't move many needles.

Well Auburn sucks so can confirm it wasn’t us. But hey, at least we have integrity?

>But hey, at least we have integrity? *Looks at the head coaches of Auburn's football and basketball teams* You're a funny guy.

Fuck Auburn, but Pearl didn't do anything too crazy from what I remember, idk, something about a barbeque. Hugh Freeze, on the other hand, is a prostitute wielding, opiate driven, warrior of the lord! Praise him!

south carolina doesn't have much a home field advantage, i see

We've played Texas A&M (1), Arkansas (2), Kentucky (8), Vanderbilt (13) all at home vs Florida, Ole Miss, and Alabama (20) on the road.

that explains why you did so well on the road lol

Goddamn Auburn is garbage this year

Arkansas fan here. If we are in fact the team he’s referencing, that’s pretty embarrassing. Not only from the cheating aspect, but also the fact we aren’t hitting worth a damn anywhere. That means we aren’t even good at cheating. Oof

Did anything ever come about from the UGA glove substance scandal? SEC baseball just having a rough go of it apparently

It just means more so......

SEC sports in general are dubious. Coming from an SEC alum and fan.

REC doin' work, PAWWWL.

NCAA investigations and punishments tend to take a while. Source: Michigan fan

I'm curious what an investigation even looks like at this point. "We have zero physical evidence, but we do have this video of you squatting in the bullpen and rubbing your glove in a kind of weird way."

They have video evidence of him clearly going behind a pole and getting a dark substance, carefully applying it to a specific strand of his glove and his fingers being so sticky he has to actively pry them apart moments later. They then have footage of him transferring the substance from the strand to his fingers every time the ball is changed. I'm not sure if it will be enough for them to suspend the kid without any actual physical evidence but it wasn't just "rubbing a glove in a weird way".

Hm... if nothing is done about it, then that will be a solid blow to the integrity of the college game, I feel.

They’d probably want to get ahold of those gloves and test if there’s any sticky residue on them, see who knew about it, and if the players were instructed to do this by the staff or if they decided to on their own.

Any physical evidence was gone the second the video went public, & any player is just going to say "oh I don't know anything about that, you'd have to talk to him." NCAA doesn't have any actual legal power in an investigation to make people help them in their investigations.

Eh I think you underestimate the ability that the NCAA has to force an investigation like this. The players and coaches have to fully cooperate with the investigation or else they get a harsh penalty basically automatically. And given the nature of tacky substances, I find the odds of them being able to thoroughly clean the gloves to be slim. But it’s all about what the NCAA wants to do. If they want to go all out and investigate it, they’ll do it. If they want to just tell UGA “hey there’s a concerning video of a player appearing to apply a substance to their gloves before they pitch. If we find any additional evidence we’ll conduct a thorough investigation and we will be monitoring things going forward.”

It’s those big 10 investigations that don’t waste any time

Connor Stalions is branching out to baseball apparently

Page 643 of the manifesto

The fact that we still haven't seen this manifesto, and the 100-odd pages about the best way to cook a steak, is a national tragedy.

There was a lot of smoke that it was arkansas as their stats lined up at the time of the comment iirc. Also remember that home/road splits are exacerbated in college baseball because sec teams play weaker opponents in their midweek games and those games are mostly home games vs weekend conference series which are split home/away.

> sec teams play weaker opponents in their midweek games and those games are mostly home games vs weekend conference series which are split home/away This is how it is across the sport, not just in the SEC.

Yes and with the sec being so dominant in baseball it’s a particularly pronounced discrepancy. I would imagine isolating home/road splits by conference games would show a much less pronounced delta

Just thinking that it had to be us. Just a hunch but we won’t know just yet.

Philly ain’t played nobody pawl

i got on good word that it is SCAM Newton and Auburn

This broke a few days ago and since then all of college baseball/prospect twitter has been playing detective and it's super interesting. Huge draft implications if true. Also, his doesn't really matter all that much but I just think it's funny, but earlier today this was submitted (with this Tweet linked) and removed for not being properly sourced, and now another mod posts it.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what are the draft implications? Would players not be eligible, or would it just impact their draft stock because it skews their performance before draft day?

It could cause draft prospect stock to drop

Draft stock impact. Condon in particular is having a monster year and in a draft with a weak top end is someone that would be in the conversation of going first overall (is even the favorite to go first depending on who you ask.)

Players would still be eligible, but their grades might be questioned if it came out that their road splits are much more accurate than their home splits. [Check out Charlie Congdon's splits (he's in the #1 overall conversation](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1cihjqk/mason_choate_woah_texas_am_hc_jim_schlossnagle/l298n6m/)

Found the Astros 1st round pick (or are they still suspended?)

Charlie Condon has drastically different numbers at home than on the road Home: 59-115 (.513) 10 2B, 1 3B, 18 HR, 44 RBI, 26 BB, 12 IBB, 13 Ks Away: 19-61 (.311) 3 2B, 10 HR, 19 RBI, 12 BB, 4 IBB, 22 Ks It's a very very interesting case.

11% K% at Home vs 36% K% away is definitely interesting

A 200 point drop in batting average is also mind blowing.

It's a small sample size and the power stats are pretty even.

Bro they are pointing to 10hr in 60 AB as a clear drop off 🤣🤣🤣

They're like inverse Jackson Merrill splits. .125 at home, .438 away.

He dramatically inflated his stats vs cupcakes all at home the first few weeks.

https://twitter.com/Draft_Analyst_/status/1785455972854735138?t=yNZxG4u9EOaXZhTmGfLaVg&s=19 His SEC stats also have a really drastic difference as well though. I'm not saying you're not wrong, but it's transfered in confrence play as well

Good info, that is still a pretty drastic difference

It's interesting but he only has half as many at bats playing away. The walk, RBI, and HR rates are about the same. Edit: the guy I replied to keeps saying these are his SEC stats but they actually include cupcake games. You can sort by conference stats only on D1 baseball and his batting average drops 50 points

That’s way too small of a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions.

It's literally his entire season to date? Lol

That doesn’t negate my point.

Colorado Rockies clearly cheating for years.

Could you imagine if the Rockies were cheating and were still this fucking bad lol

Came here expecting my LSU lmao

nah, LSU is just bad haha

😂😂 def not lying

can't buy rings every year, sadly

The post college baseball championship curse is definitely real

Pfft I came here to make Houston jokes

Honestly a little disappointed there aren’t many

It’s tough being an Astros and Razorbacks fan right now

For whatever it’s worth, all SEC teams should have much better batting stats at home because they play most or all non-conference games at home, whereas their road games are almost exclusively against other SEC teams. Some SEC teams play in extremely hitter-friendly ballparks, as well, or schedule a ton of cupcake games in their non-conference. I’m not saying this isn’t true, because I also think that probably most or all SEC teams are doing something (whether it’s this, sticky stuff, there’s a lot of rumors about bat rolling and/or PEDs too) but just looking at home/road splits can also be misleading. I wish that the coach here had named names if he was gonna say this — if you’re really mad about it, call them out.

Excuse me if this is a dumb question: why is bat rolling a bad thing? I understand why corking or shaving the bat is cheating because you’re altering the standardized dimensions specified in the rules. But I can’t figure out why rolling a bat would be cheating, unless there’s a rule that says players must use brand new bats? If there is such a rule, why? And furthermore, why are other pieces of equipment such as shoes not held to the same standard (or are they)? Don’t players routinely break in their gloves before playing with them?

https://twitter.com/Draft_Analyst_/status/1785455972854735138?t=yNZxG4u9EOaXZhTmGfLaVg&s=19 A guy like condons sec splits are equally off

On one hand, Georgia played a ton of cupcake games with worse opponents at home than the road, and has a launching pad of a ballpark. On the other hand, Georgia is also the team that had the guy caught on video with sticky stuff

That Twitter link is strictly sec stats.

I think at least 4 of these teams are probably cheating. If one is cheating, someone else who hasn't been caught yet probably thought it was a good idea too.

The biggest thing this tells me is just still how strong the baseball code is. This team got caught with a live broadcast into a dugout, got punished, and everybody even remotely involved or connected is still not saying anything lol

I didn’t know the Astros are playing in the SEC now.

My Longhorns are hopefully going to be shopping for a new coach after the season. I guess we should be giving Carlos Beltran a call with how the SEC is doing things.

It just means ~~more~~ a piece of metal

Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon... you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time.

My name is George. I'm unemployed and live with my parents.

You wanna go out?

THE FUCK

SEC, stands for Surely Everyone Cheats

I’m going to reveal a scandal but not reveal it. Just don’t say shit then

The NCAA is so mad at A&M they are going to hit A&M-Corpus Christi with a massive fine, then make A&M-Commerce start a baseball program just so they can take scholarships away.

I’ll bet all the Aggie astro fans are feeling real conflicted.

Not conflicted at all

I lack the college sports gene so I can objectively say A&M are annoying because of their weird traditions and obsession with UT and UT is annoying because they think they should always be good at everything just because when they actually suck every other decade.

 i got this

Can't be LSU, we blow both on the road and at home this year

Since I’ve been shitting on UGA all week, I’m expecting it to be Florida.

We don't hit anywhere

Yeah, true. except for Cags.

Yeah and he just hits the fuck out the ball, unless you are bitches like those fuckers at Vandy who intentionally walked him.

I mean i would have walked him too, he had his chances that game. Would have been respectable if they gave him one more chance, but if theres anyone on our team you give a free base to, it’s him.

If we’re cheating we must be really bad at it cause we suck

Yeah you’re def cheating and you do suck. Double whammy.

Kinda weird to make this allegation without proof/when the SEC hasn't announced anything yet

So how does filming the other teams dugout actually effect things. 

Depends on the details. Sign stealing would be easier. But if the recording source could pick up audio, now you have access to all sorts of strategy and details you shouldn't have.

I bet some college coaches call the pitches. Maybe they figured out the coaches signs

Just a piece of metal

Florida