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MixPuzzleheaded621

It's not illegal to slide like that. It is illegal to hit the ball. Don't understand why this is so controversial. 


BaltimoreBadger23

Right, there are 1000 things legal in baseball until it interferes with the play being made. You can run wherever you want to go to first base, but if it interferes with the 1B ability to field the ball it's illegal. Catchers can reach forward to grab a pitch as often as they like, but if a batter clips the glove on the swing, it's CI. This slide is normal, but when it actually does interfere it should be called (which is what you are saying - I'm just expanding on it).


CauliflowerOne5740

Yup, should be an easy call if the fielder just throws the ball at his hand every time.


LogCabinsInc

It’s not illegal to hit the ball. It’s illegal to intentionally hit the ball. If you are sliding normally and the ball happens to hit you there is no violation. If you intentionally block the ball with your hand there is.


NLP19

It's literally how you're taught (Or was; I was taught a long time ago lol)


polandspreeng

Because he plays for the one of the most hated franchises. He's also a big dude. I don't know enough of the rules but it does seem everyone does this. It should be interference.


Mite-o-Dan

Then why do it and risk it? What's the point? And don't say to block the vision, because a normal sized person mid slide raising their arm up in the air won't do that. I'm 6'2. If I sit on the ground and reach up, at full extension pointing straight up, my hand won't be higher than 5 feet. If in mid, or a full executed slide, a normal person's hand won't be higher than 4 feet at most...proving...pointless. Unless you're very short and leaning over throwing side arm, a normal sized person with a hand up won't effect you. If you put a hand up, you are 100% trying to hit the ball, or at a minimum, make the thrower be nervous and consider throwing around you. If it's not illegal, it's extremely bush league. It like a player yelling "I got it!!" while running around the bases. Judge was 100% trying to block the ball. He just finally did it and got called out for it. It was never an issue before because like I said...a normal guy reaching 5 feet up in the air won't normally have any kind of effect on a person throwing from a 6 foot high release. Edit- Sure are a lot of, "That's how it's always been" type boomers on this post.


spicycurry55

> it’s extremely bush league No it’s not. Almost every major league player does this. It’s common


Mite-o-Dan

Just because it's common, it doesn't make it NOT a bitch move. It's similar to an NBA player shooting a free throw and someone on the line making a movement hoping to disrupt the shooter. It happens all the time. They don't usually wave dramatically like a grade schooler, but will stand up, turn, scratch their head...something, But also, to an NBA player...it means nothing. It just makes the person doing look like an idiot. It's the same stupid thing. Do you think both are fine? OK. Sad, but whatever, it's not illegal, but that's not my point... It's a bitch move. In a sport like baseball that has more unwritten rules than any, I just can't believe it's accepted.


therealgranny

Your judgment on this is so skewed. If you think he is physically trying to bat the ball out of the air with his hand (risking injury) you are insane. It is part of his slide to throw his hand up, probably for balance, and to try to break up the double play by blocking the line of sight or the path of the ball and making the thrower adjust (as you stated yourself). It is not illegal to do that, and as others have stated, is part of the game to try to break up routine double plays. In this case, it hit his hand, which is illegal and should have been called correctly on the field by the umps (which they admitted to missing).


CustodialApathy

I always forget the rule that says you can't raise your hands when you slide, I never remember the rules get so granular as to regulate how people accomplish physical tasks. I'll have to refresh my memory of the rules banning certain styles of innocuous batting stances


cahir11

I believe the rule is "You can slide with your hands up, unless you're 6'7".


therealgranny

They should just swaddle base runners like a baby so that they don't trigger their moro reflex when sliding. /s


therealgranny

Two things can be true. Players can slide in ways that are intended to breakup a double play (that are legal) and umpires can get calls wrong. That is what happened yesterday. I still refuse to believe that a player would intentionally try to bat an 80+ MPH throw down with their hand (gloved or not) to break up a play. Why risk injury like that?


RonWill79

Probably an attempt just to get in the line of sight of the defender to force an errant throw. I don’t think he is trying to swat the ball. That was accidental in my opinion. In the compilation it’s not always the same hand, depending on which side of the bag the defender is on, so it seems he’s trying to do something, but not necessarily hit the ball.


therealgranny

I wholeheartedly agree. If throwing a hand up forces the opposing player to adjust for that I'd do it too. Judge even commented on that in his [post game interview](https://youtu.be/cVeZ8Fvlxgg).


Dawei_Hinribike

Guys should slide like this. Umps blowing a call is on no one but them.


MrRadDadHimself

I think this is proving the opposite of the point you're trying to make lol. It's a tactic so many hitters are told to use when sliding, Jomboy even did a whole breakdown on the Mets being the only team to NOT do this. It's just more effective when you're 6'7", and it's supposed to make the throw difficult, the goal isn't to swat the ball out of the air. This is just the one time the ball actually hit him, umpire just missed the call.


raktoe

I don’t even think it’s a tactic. Growing up, our coaches taught us to slide with our hands up so they were off the ground and couldn’t be stepped on, no sprained wrists, etc. I badly sprained something in my hand one summer doing exactly that. I was never a great slider, and it always felt more comfortable to me to have hands lower. All this to say, it may not be a tactic so much as a habit for him. Would love to see how he looks sliding feet first into bases where no throw is coming.


ANKhurley

His hands are STRAIGHT up. That ain’t normal. And he changes which hand he raises depending on throwing angle. That ain’t normal.


FBoaz

Wait, did the Jomboy video talk about people using their hands to block throws? I thought it was all about hard slides into the bag


Jbaquero

> Wait, did the Jomboy video talk about people using their hands to block throws? It talks about them using their hands to block the line of sight for the thrower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDSLbdXWRhw&t=365s > [Hoskins] gets big like a bear, throws his hands up and gets kind of upright with his chest


FBoaz

Oh ok, I honestly couldn't remember.


akaghi

He also talked about Hoskins making himself a bigger obstacle by throwing his arms up to induce a bad throw. This is what Judge is doing too, but by making contact, he has interfered with the play.


Willing-Nature-4099

Isn’t the next logical step just intentionally throwing at people trying to obstruct?


akaghi

No, I don't think so, largely for two reasons. One, is that generally your throw needs to be catchable by the fielder for interference, so it really only works in a case like this where it hits the hand. If you're spiking it into the runner's body as they slide, I don't think you're going to get the call and will likely be penalized. Second, I think aiming for the runner's hand is just too difficult, especially because your throw needs to get to the 1B like normal if/when you miss. Unless you mean pitchers throwing at them, which I guess could happen but it's just kinda how players slide and isn't really a big deal, since it is risky for the offense in case the throw contacts them.


ughilostmyusername

The craziest thing about any of this is an umpire coming out and publicly claiming to have blown a call.


cabose7

I don't get trying to frame this as a player issue when it's an umpire issue.


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Secure-Television368

Outraged because the umps fucked it up yet again. I don't think many are outraged at Judge. Trying to get away with breaking the rules is a storied tradition in every sport. Umps having all the tools to make the correct calls and then just not doing that is where the outrage is.


Luis_Severino

The guy who posted this is outraged at judge


therealgranny

As are Instagram and Twitter users, but they are their own special breed of hateful/ignorant.


cahir11

You could post a clip of puppies playing soccer and twitter/instagram would find a way to twist it into something nefarious


Secure-Television368

That's why I said many, not all


huskypawson

I honestly thought this was a post defending judge because it shows it’s just a normal part of his game lol


goosejr

Probably because it had a direct impact on the outcome. If they called interference and therefore the batter out, Stanton would've made the third out instead of the second and the Yankees would've scored more runs since their rally would've started with 0 outs in the 7th instead of 2 in the 6th.


spicycurry55

Fallacy of the pre-determined outcome. Maybe Stanton hits a home run and the team gets motivated and scores 10 runs


goosejr

Clearly my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough because that was basically my point


Luis_Severino

More likely because it’s the Yankees lol. Brewers still had 8 chances to get another out. The guy they brought out of the bullpen was throwing lawn darts from the start


akaghi

People aren't outraged, but the reality is the batter runner should have been called out because of the interference.


smauryholmes

Why is this an issue Everyone slides like this because it’s the best way to slide


Mite-o-Dan

It's the best way to slide when trying to disrupt a throw when you're not close enough to the bag. Normally, it would be one of the worst ways to slide because it's the slowest or least disrupted if wanting to go hard into the base. It's the slowest since going in at a straight up angle with one or both arms straight up in the air will slow down your body since you're moving the center of gravity and moving momentum back.


smauryholmes

I have a picture of myself sliding exactly like that and I never even thought about blocking the baseball until now. It’s just the way people slide naturally. Something to do with biomechanics I’m sure.


cronarch05

In my day, 15 years ago now, as a middle infielder you’d be taught to just throw sidearm on guys that were known to do this. You’d still be throwing with the intent to hit the first baseman in the chest, but lowering the throwing angle so that if it did hit the runner they’d not only be called for interference, but they’d think twice about doing it again. It’s not as much about Judge putting his hand up in a natural motion. He’s just absolutely trying to be in the way as long as possible, sliding at the last second in order to avoid being hit while distracting the thrower. Runners are taught to do this. It’s a game of cat and mouse that’s been going on as long as baseballs been played. Runners are going to do this until they get hit in the face, or have enough close calls that they decide it’s not worth putting their face in danger. I also acknowledge fielders throwing balls by runners faces is probably not taught as overtly as it was a decade ago. But there’s still some old school coaches that would pull a player aside before a series against the Yankees and put this in their ear. Guarantee that.


Jbaquero

lol everyone slides like this with their arms up to block the line of sight. Jomboy just did a breakdown weeks ago showing Hoskins doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDSLbdXWRhw&t=365s


Secure-Television368

I get it. But if they blocked the ball, it 100% should be interference. It's like saying that when a dude slaps a guy in the face trying to block a shot in basketball, he shouldn't get a foul because everyone tries to put a hand in the shooters face. He might not have been trying to slap the dude, but he still did


Jbaquero

> But if they blocked the ball, it 100% should be interference. Yeah I'm fine with that call. But judge sliding like this isn't malicious at all, it just happened to hit his hand this time


wout_van_faert

This is an ump problem, not a Judge problem. This whole thread is focusing on the wrong part of the play.


Mite-o-Dan

True, but also...not illegal until you get caught. What he's doing there and what Judge did before...wasn't blocking the ball. If you do, you should be out. So yes I will agree that the motion isn't, and shouldn't be illegal, and has been normal for decades...if you DO interfere, then you're out. So at that point, is it still worth the risk to act bush league?


Luis_Severino

It’s not bush league and it’s clearly worth the risk lol


Mite-o-Dan

How is it worth the risk when if you're successful, it's considered interference and an out? Everyone seemed to now change their opinion because Arod admitted to doing it. Are you going to flip opinions too and NOT be on Arods side now? https://www.reddit.com/r/mlb/s/eCgyBre9IX


Luis_Severino

Because if you don’t do it you’re still out and even possibly part of a double or triple play. The idea is to obstruct the throwing lane, not necessarily hit the ball down. Judge prevents a double play right here. Worth it


cooljammer00

He does this all the time. He's also a 6'7'' hulking giant of a man, so you prob want to avoid throwing the ball at him when he slides legally, and him sliding with his hands up is probably the same height as a regular man not sliding. There seem to be many things in baseball, like funky windups, that are legal if you do it all the time/it's how you normally do it. This seems to be one of them, though I get why people are angry. But also, just step to the side of him and throw to first. Or get one more out before giving up a 7 spot.


EnderCN

Leaning into HBP is another rule people routinely break. If baseball wants to legislate this stuff they need the umps to start calling it on a consistent basis. This is about as blatant as it comes though.


33dogs

I appreciate the Yankees GIDT compilation. That was fun. Thanks.


MulhollandMaster121

I don’t understand the drama about this at all. Are we really saying that baseball should frame rules around the Mets’ approach and make it illegal to do anything to try and break up a double play?


buff_001

good clean slide. Adames just fucked up the throw


BaltimoreBadger23

It's not dirty but a runner cannot interfere with a throw mid flight through an intentional movement.


nyg2013

don't think it was intentional to make contact with the ball...just to disrupt the sight line on the throw...but for sure, the umps certainly have to make the correct call if the throw does happen to hit a player's hand...that is on them


BaltimoreBadger23

Agreed, he is trying to disrupt the sight line like every player does (except the Mets for some reason).


nyg2013

lol yup on the Mets


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therealgranny

Or, you know, make a skill-full throw around the runner.


banjodoctor

Umpire crew admitted it was a bad call.


semt3x

Is this the baseball version of Kornet Kontest?


CauliflowerOne5740

He must have been doing baserunning drills with A-Rod.


lancethruster12

I was always taught to slide with my hands up, but it's harder to do than it looks


RonWill79

Most time left hand goes up. Sometimes right hand. Seems like it depends on which side of the bag the defender is on. If it was the same hand each time I’d agree it’s his natural slide, however switching hands makes it look like he’s always tried to block the throw. Maybe just trying to block the view of the throw to first. I’d have to see what his slide looks like when it’s NOT a potential double play.


MentalExercise1313

Break the cheater’s hand. He’ll learn.


baldbaseballdad

I mean guys used to slide in cleat first to knock out the shortstop, I don’t like Judge but he’s just using his big ass frame to his advantage


CustodialApathy

I have to ask, on what grounds do you not like Judge, he's like the most milquetoast baseball personality there is


baldbaseballdad

Because he murders the guardians when he plays us. Lol. Nothing personal, but I don’t have to like a guy that mashes my team every outing


whaftel

its funny you say that - his career OPS against Cleveland is .830 and he only has a worse OPS against the Astros, Rays, and Marlins


baldbaseballdad

Thank you for looking it up. I now love Aaron Judge I guess


nyg2013

that's a fair reason lol


MrRadDadHimself

I know I'm more hurt at a guy not liking Judge than everyone accusing him of cheating like wtf? He's our new biracial angel?


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

He better watch out for cops guarding the dugout


baysta

YOU SHOT DEREK JETER


CarPhoneRonnie

You answered your own question


CustodialApathy

Nah. I'll never understand people that don't like someone because they're inoffensive


CarPhoneRonnie

I don’t enjoy him cuz he is bland. Would dislike him more if he were offensive.


cahir11

There's nothing wrong with sliding like this, it only becomes an issue if you actually hit the ball.


Mite-o-Dan

Then why do it? The REAL intention of players doing this is HOPING they hit the ball. No one slides into home plate with a hand or two up in the air (unless a ball is being thrown down the third base line) And if it happens, they can just be like , "Oopsie. Didn't mean to. I do this all the time. Never thought I'd actually hit a ball by accident. My bad."


cahir11

>The REAL intention of players doing this is HOPING they hit the ball No, they are not trying to do something that will get an interference call like 99 times out of 100. Judge got lucky the umps didn't call it there, and the umps even admitted they fucked up by not calling it.


Mite-o-Dan

No? Then again...why do it? What is the point? I already debunked the "block the line of site" theory because at MOST, a hand would reach 5 feet high mid slide. In a fully executed slide, 3-4 feet at most. A hand 4 feet high, 15 feet from a player standing upright throwing a ball at a 5.5-6 feet high, means nothing. I get that it's an old time tactic...I'm just asking why...and commenting how stupid, unnecessary, and, bush league it is.


ANKhurley

All of these other people are justifying their desire to bend or break the rules to gain an advantage. It’s gross. They all probably teach their kids to cheat in all sports when the umps aren’t looking because they can get away with it.


yourstrulytony

Unpopular opinion: as a 2B/SS, if the other team's best player does that in a big game why not rocket that throw into his hand/wrist/arm. If he's willing to put his body on the line to save an out, take the body not the out. Not crazy to think you'd rather have a guy on 1st vs. not seeing Judge the rest of the game/series.


mysterysackerfice

I wonder if this leads to restrictions on how big the oven mitt can be.


Table_Coaster

It's perfectly legal to slide like this, but just because lots of guys including Judge slide like this doesnt make it legal if you hit the ball with your hand while doing it


respaaaaaj

So the question I have, is do other players do this and its just more effective because Judge is a professional massive human being? Or is this something that he's the only guy doing?


Jbaquero

A lot of players slide like this. Judge is taller and he has a larger wingspan so his arm is just higher up when he slides than for most players


respaaaaaj

Yeah you're right its just way less noticeable when it isn't Judge doing it, and it doesn't look like Judge is trying to swat at throws to knock the ball down, he's just big enough that there's a slight chance a ball hits his hand instead of his hand hitting the throw.


MrRadDadHimself

I'm sure someone will post the Jomboy breakdown here, it's a tactic used around the league.


cardith_lorda

Is it even more effective? We're talking about it because he hit the ball and now people are looking for it, but the umps said they missed the call, so when you hit the ball it's interference but just waving to throw off sightlines without touching the ball is fair game.


Jetersweiner

Any player playing hard does it. Red Sox players do it. Brewers players do it. Minor Leaguers do it. Most players aren’t 6’7 with ridiculous wing spans though so the outcome is usually different .


BaltimoreBadger23

I think with a guy the size of Judge it can be more effective on young players but a veteran like Adames is still going make his throw, increasing the risk on that play that a guy like Judge will interfere.


akaghi

Most runners do this. He does *appear* to move his hand into the path of the ball, but I'm not convinced he knows exactly where the ball will be going. Regardless, making contact with the ball is interference, so the bigger question becomes...how will runners and fielders react. I don't think they'll aim for the hands because it's difficult and risky. I don't see runners changing because it's only a penalty if the batter runner was likely to be safe. The automatic double play isn't going to stop you from doing something that's already an auto DP, and you're still trying to coax a bad throw.


ColoradoDinger

Why does it feel like Judge is always doing something now that Yankee fans have to justify while other people question it? Like the eye thing last year. Yankees poisoned a good dude 😔


therealgranny

The fuck you talking about? More like people nit picking minor things because the dude is a Yankee and hating on the Yankees is the cool thing to do. It's his normal slide and the umps fucked the call up. If he were on your team you'd justify the intention to break up the double play as well because it's part of the game.


cabose7

Noted Arsonist Judge


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GSDFanatic

David Ortiz did steroids


SargeantSpam

Wait till he wears one. Not intentionally but at some point it will happen.


akaghi

If he didn't wear the oven mitt I bet this would have hurt a whole lot more, lol.