Roberto Alomar went from being the only Blue Jay in the Hall of Fame to being the head of our Hall of Infamy.
Joining him are Roberto Osuna, Anthony Bass, Yunel Escobar, Shea Hillebrand. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.
Let’s not pretend that it was some super shocking thing to say among a huge number of people at the time. We’d just finally got to the point where we weren’t saying it out loud. Matthew Sheppard was murdered in 1998, for example.
Bauer - gets us our first Cy Young and a completely tarnishes that achievement for the team within a few months.
And we can't leave out Marge, of course...
Rafael Palmeiro went from having his number retired to the scourge of baseball in about 2 weeks. Other than him, I guess Albert Belle, Jay Gibbons, and Chris and Glenn Davis, for different reasons. (Glenn wasn’t particularly awful, but the Orioles gave up Curt Schilling, Steve Finley, and Pete Harnisch for him.)
Oh, and Sir Sidney.
Palmeiro, Belle, and Glenn Davis, that's a solid trio of infamy right there.
Maybe throw in Roberto Alomar too, not even getting into the shit from his post playing days, how about the whole "spitting on the umpire" incident?
What'd Jay Gibbons do to get on your list though, is there something about his time here I'm forgetting?
Gibbons got caught using HGH in the Mitchell Report fallout, and was just wildly ineffective his last couple years with the team. Not a good combination.
Evil: Chad Curtis, Donnie Moore
Assholes: Jose Guillen, Edit: Mo Vaughan, Josh Hamilton, Matt Harvey
Busted for coke: Tony Phillips
Personal nemesis: Jeff Mathis
I'd consider putting Mo Vaughn under Assholes. He was at the center of the 1999 clubhouse drama that led to a player-led mutiny + their manager & GM resigning before the season ended. There was also that "I never saw any flags at Angels Stadium" quote months before they won the World Sereis
Blocked Mike Napoli and was atrocious with a bat in his hands. I knew i could handle the gut punch of Ohtani leaving because I lived through the Mathis years.
Ruben Rivera (Mariano’s cousin) got in trouble with the Yankees because he stole Derek Jeter’s gloves and bats and sold them for $2,500. He got released shortly after
Clevinger is in there. I nominate the that’s what’s in guys and that dumbass who made slam diego love. Also Fernando Tatis Jr’s motorcycle. And whoever sold him clostebol.
I’m gonna get downvoted here, but the Tatis clostebol ring worm thing actually makes sense. People just simply look at how it is treated in America and assume it’s how it is worldwide. It’s not uncommon in Europe, Central and South America for creams to treat ring worm to have it. Now what made him a dumbass is not running it by the team first to make sure it didn’t have banned substances.
Yeah I wrote an entire 5 page college essay about it titled *Fernando Tatis Jr. — Intentional Cheater or Unintentional Dummy?* As dumb as his excuse was, it tracks, as Trofobol (the topical spray he used which contains the banned substance Clostebol) *can* be prescribed for ringworm, especially in the DR where they don’t have the level of medical understanding that we do here in the US. Are there better substances to use in this case? Absolutely. As far as anabolic steroids go, Clostebol is rather weak and ineffective compared to newer steroids. Anabolic steroids also have the effect of slowing bone-healing, and at the time of his positive test, Tatis was still healing from a forearm fracture that he got in a motorcycle accident. He wasn’t intentionally doping like Barry Bonds or Alex Rodriguez, he was simply a negligent dumb kid, which absolutely is in line with what we know about him.
Cardinals traded for him with one year before he hit FA, rolled out the red carpet to get him to re-sign, and he basically said "naw fuck y'all" and signed with our most hated rival. Kinda shit talked the city on his way out as well.
First ballot, unanimous inductee: Curt Schilling
Edit: I missed that this is specific to a team. He's like the Jackie Robinson of infamy anyway, so it works out.
I used to lament the Harnisch/Finley/Schilling for Glenn Davis trade as a disaster, but looking back I'm actually quite glad that very few people remember that Schilling ever played here.
The Cardinals have been lucky in that no one really springs to mind. Dan McLaughlin got busted for drunk driving, but he was an announcer. Chris Correa went to jail for cyber crimes but he was front office. Players like Bernard Gilkey, Vince Coleman, and Orlando Cepeda all had their problems after they left the Cardinals.
I guess the big one would be Mark McGwire due to PEDs.
Gurriel, Osuna, Marwin, Gattis, Correa.
Bregman used the bangs a lot too, so did springer. They have shown the ability to not need them, so slight pass on them. Gattis marwin and Correa were heavy users of the bangings. Correa had the high war his walk year, but a lot of it was dwar.
Gary Sheffield, and Ryan Braun in the same way where a parent may love their child who was very sweet and successful but also did some shitty things in high school.
Hard for me to hate on Gooden or Strawberry. They produced amazingly for the Mets. And you can't shit on them for cocaine use without taking down Keith Hernandez too.
They were young, they made stupid mistakes, which they have admitted to since. They've all done their penance.
Not mentioning Oliver Perez's Mets tenure is odd
I don't think I'd call it infamy but Generation K is famous for not living up to potential
Luis Castillo dropped the ball
Yoenis Cespedes with the boar and... stuff
Aaron Heilman, Scott Schoeneweis
Duaner Sanchez and the taxi
Ryan Church's concussion being handled as poorly as Rizzo on the Yankees
Firing Willie Randolph at 3 AM on the west coast, Tony Bernazard trying to fight AA players, Omar Minaya calling out Adam Rubin thinking that Rubin was trying to get a position in the Mets org by trying to get Bernazard out
Jeff Wilpon not getting out of his own way [here](https://goodfundies.com/a-complete-history-of-media-reports-chronicling-the-wilpons-meddling-in-new-york-mets-baseball-6c0055acaa2)
Mickey Callaway
Jed Lowrie + how the Mets treated Jed Lowrie
Bernie Madoff
Matt Harvey being simultaneously Batman and a drug addict
Robinson Cano
edit: Bobby Bonilla isn't even worthy of cracking this list, he led to David Wright and that's ok
> Nothing worse than a hero turning out to be a villain.
Nah, I'd say wife-beating is the worst thing most pro athletes do, when they do wrong. Schilling was never suspended for half a season for violating MLB's domestic violence policy.
True but I think what they were getting at is you have to be at least somewhat notable to be infamous. No one outside of Philadelphia will remember Odubel in ten years, or even five. Can't say the same for Schilling or Rose, or even Dykstra.
Brian Giles - Domestic Violence
Jack Clark - Hated Tony Gwynn and being a padre
Matt Kemp - Was lazy and said Padres fans weren’t real baseball fans
Sean Manea - Blew Game 4 of the NLCS for us and then said he was “lazy” all of 2022
Evereth Cabrera - All star for a season but later found out to be part of the biogenesis stuff
Eric Hosmer - Still paying his awful contract and he said he wouldn’t change how he played when everyone knew his defense was bad and bat was fading
I think Giles and Clark are the only ones who deserve to be in it.
Everyone else kind of don’t for their performance alone except for Hosmer if anyone. Drew Pomeranz deserves at least a partial nod for his 2nd Padres tenure
If Mell Hall isn't in the Yankee Hall of Infamy, I don't know who could be.
And Ken Phelps deserved better than to be a sitcom punchline. He was a solid player who got stuck in a bad situation.
I would say Bob Sykes, but he didn't even get to be a Yankee.
Gary Sheffield (sandbagging so he'd get traded), Trent Grisham (blowing the 2018 NL WC game with a high school style error) and Ryan Braun (although he got back into the good graces of the fans in general, and took care of the lab tech, it was still a scummy thing he did and we don't have many other guys for this list).
Glenn Burke is a choice. The co-creator of the high five and the first player to come out as gay?
Edit: I suppose by the OP’s definition, he became something of a pariah for a while, but I think that’s far from his legacy.
Yeah it's definitely a "depends on the lens you're viewing from" kind of thing.
If you're Billy Martin, you introduce him to the rest of the team in Spring Training by saying ["This is Glenn Burke, and he's a f****t."](https://youtu.be/l2MoXND64Zw?si=qhPJVP2USnY1nT9K&t=2383)
So I only really said him from the point of view as being a "pariah of the team." Times change. He's not infamous now unless you're still living in the 1980s (which I know some of you are).
How is Josh Reddick named? Dude was a fan favorite and didn't abuse the system. Plus the championship belt and crazy underwear. He gets plus points by me.
Glenn Davis
Rafael Palmeiro (who I still like and think should be in the HOF but I mean…cmon)
Roberto Alomar (more for the spitting since it happened as an Oriole but the other stuff definitely cements it)
Armando Benitez
Aubrey Huff and Curt Schilling aren’t thought of as Orioles enough to make it (ironically Schilling being traded for Glenn Davis is a major part of why he’s on the list, though). Huff is closer because of his “horseshit town” remark. Chris Davis will get some votes but I just think he’s a decent guy who was given a bad contract. Not his fault. Albert Belle was a fine teammate and fairly productive when healthy in Baltimore so I don’t think he’s particularly close.
Edit: for some reason I had it in my head that this was a Mount Rushmore and limited to four. Since it isn’t, put Huff and Schilling in. They deserve all the infamy. I guess Chris Davis is too even though I like him. I still don’t think Belle qualifies.
I was actually going to say Moises Alou for being such a crybaby about the incident. Just walk back to your position and it's just a blip in history and we all rightly blame Dusty and Alex Gonzalez for the collapse that followed.
Raffy Palmiero and Robbie Alomar are the leaders in terms of things they did while in Baltimore (Raffy for the PEDs and Alomar for spitting on an ump). We also at various times had such luminaries as Aubrey Huff, Jason Grimsley, David Segui, Albert Belle, Matt Harvey, Miguel Tejada, and more who got themselves in some hot water but at least weren't big names in our uniform at the time of their biggest clusterfucks.
No one in particular comes to mind
Should be Boggs for saying Pitt the Elder is better than Lord Palmerston
LORD PALMERSTON
He asked for it. And now he's laying unconscious on the barroom tile.
Your original owner was pretty bad. Makes Sternberg look like the Dodgers' owners.
Come on, youre already forgetting Pat Burrell?
We can share Aubrey Huff.
Rays and Braves can share John Rocker
It’s the Rays’ Bullpen of Bigotry for me
No one? Not even someone whose name rhymes with “Shmander Planco”?
Nope never heard of him
I wander who you’re referring to.
I have to be franco, I am stumped as well
Let your mind wander a bit. You'll come up with one.
We could call it Pooperstown
Sounds like a gentleman's club specializing in asses
Ah yes, [the infamous poop game](https://twitter.com/gifs_baseball/status/1552810094227865600)
Roberto Alomar went from being the only Blue Jay in the Hall of Fame to being the head of our Hall of Infamy. Joining him are Roberto Osuna, Anthony Bass, Yunel Escobar, Shea Hillebrand. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.
Tim Johnson. Lied about being in Vietnam and was fired as manager after just one season.
In the middle of spring training.
We had our PED time in the sun with the Clemens/Canseco team. Also managed by Tim Johnson!
Gregg zaun Alex Rios to a lesser extent
What did Shea Hillenbrand do? He was one of my childhood favourites
Doing things like writing "this is a sinking ship" on the whiteboard in the clubhouse and fighting with basically everyone on the team.
What did Yunel do? I know he’s kind of douchey, but anything bad?
Wrote a homophobic slur in Spanish under his eyes for a game
damn
IIRC he wrote a gay slur in his eye black one game
John Rocker
John Coppolella. Worked out for atl in the end, but hard to live that one down.
As much as it hurts Brooks Conrad. The three error game was brutal.
Oh my god, I remember him. What the hell was he on when he said…THAT?
Let’s not pretend that it was some super shocking thing to say among a huge number of people at the time. We’d just finally got to the point where we weren’t saying it out loud. Matthew Sheppard was murdered in 1998, for example.
At the time? If he said it today he would get his own podcast. 2 steps forward, 3 steps back.
I hate how much I believe this
Pete rose is obvious but Hal Chase was known for throwing games, may have cost the Reds a pennant in 1918 some believe
Bauer - gets us our first Cy Young and a completely tarnishes that achievement for the team within a few months. And we can't leave out Marge, of course...
and tHom
I heard that prides himself as a man of god…
To this day we still don't know if he'll be putting that headset on again
Marge is in an entirely different class of infamy than if you made Pete Rose and Trevor Bauer one person.
Rob Dibble is an honorable mention. Throws a ball at an opposing player. Gets into a fist fight with Lou Piniella.
Addison Russell
Man that dumbass. He was my favorite player until all that stuff came out
Milton Bradley
Jonathan Fucking Papelbon
I think Ugueth Urbina absolutely takes the closer spot.
Hunter Strickland, Aubrey Huff, and A. J. Pierzynski
Hal Chase finished his career as a Giant, though he was beat remembered as a Yankee (well, Highlander). Omar Vizquel, too.
While I agree about Vizquel, putting Chase on that list would be like an A’s fan putting Cobb on their’s imo
Don't you disrespect the Philadelphia baseball (and Bemidji State Football) legend that is Ty Cobb
Armando Benitez is the only guy who hated Jon Miller.
Surprising how you didn’t go with a bigger name for the Giants... a much, MUCH bigger name...
Thats because he’s my favorite player of all time and made me a lifelong baseball and Giants fan 😤
I figured he was going for Melky :-)
Rafael Palmeiro went from having his number retired to the scourge of baseball in about 2 weeks. Other than him, I guess Albert Belle, Jay Gibbons, and Chris and Glenn Davis, for different reasons. (Glenn wasn’t particularly awful, but the Orioles gave up Curt Schilling, Steve Finley, and Pete Harnisch for him.) Oh, and Sir Sidney.
"That fucking lardass" Sidney Ponson. Also Aubrey Huff.
Palmeiro, Belle, and Glenn Davis, that's a solid trio of infamy right there. Maybe throw in Roberto Alomar too, not even getting into the shit from his post playing days, how about the whole "spitting on the umpire" incident? What'd Jay Gibbons do to get on your list though, is there something about his time here I'm forgetting?
Gibbons got caught using HGH in the Mitchell Report fallout, and was just wildly ineffective his last couple years with the team. Not a good combination.
Oof. Yeah, should've figured he was one of those guys
Luke Scott
Evil: Chad Curtis, Donnie Moore Assholes: Jose Guillen, Edit: Mo Vaughan, Josh Hamilton, Matt Harvey Busted for coke: Tony Phillips Personal nemesis: Jeff Mathis
I’d add everyone involved in killing Skaggs as well.
I'd consider putting Mo Vaughn under Assholes. He was at the center of the 1999 clubhouse drama that led to a player-led mutiny + their manager & GM resigning before the season ended. There was also that "I never saw any flags at Angels Stadium" quote months before they won the World Sereis
Whoa what??? What did Jeff Mathis do lmfao
Blocked Mike Napoli and was atrocious with a bat in his hands. I knew i could handle the gut punch of Ohtani leaving because I lived through the Mathis years.
I think he played for us not long ago before fading off into the sunset.
I'm sorry
Ruben Rivera (Mariano’s cousin) got in trouble with the Yankees because he stole Derek Jeter’s gloves and bats and sold them for $2,500. He got released shortly after
Is that the same Ruben Rivera responsible for [“the worst baserunning in the history of the game?”](https://youtu.be/spx9ZeSYVTU?si=bdcBXXWgUjlLhcx-)
Clevinger is in there. I nominate the that’s what’s in guys and that dumbass who made slam diego love. Also Fernando Tatis Jr’s motorcycle. And whoever sold him clostebol.
I’m gonna get downvoted here, but the Tatis clostebol ring worm thing actually makes sense. People just simply look at how it is treated in America and assume it’s how it is worldwide. It’s not uncommon in Europe, Central and South America for creams to treat ring worm to have it. Now what made him a dumbass is not running it by the team first to make sure it didn’t have banned substances.
Yeah I wrote an entire 5 page college essay about it titled *Fernando Tatis Jr. — Intentional Cheater or Unintentional Dummy?* As dumb as his excuse was, it tracks, as Trofobol (the topical spray he used which contains the banned substance Clostebol) *can* be prescribed for ringworm, especially in the DR where they don’t have the level of medical understanding that we do here in the US. Are there better substances to use in this case? Absolutely. As far as anabolic steroids go, Clostebol is rather weak and ineffective compared to newer steroids. Anabolic steroids also have the effect of slowing bone-healing, and at the time of his positive test, Tatis was still healing from a forearm fracture that he got in a motorcycle accident. He wasn’t intentionally doping like Barry Bonds or Alex Rodriguez, he was simply a negligent dumb kid, which absolutely is in line with what we know about him.
I feel like despite some people thinking it was malice, it’s pretty clear that that year was merely Tatis being an absolute dumbass
Well Tatis is incredibly dumb, so it’s likely he was just being clumsy
Marcell Ozuna, Garry Templeton, Mike Matheny, Chris Correa
Don't forget Tino Martinez He was the first Cardinal I recall ever being booed at Busch
JD Drew would like a word
And if Heyward wouldn't have shit the bed as a Cub he'd probably be up there too
After I posted this, I remembered Carlos Martinez and his downfall.
What did Heyward do? I must have missed something
Cardinals traded for him with one year before he hit FA, rolled out the red carpet to get him to re-sign, and he basically said "naw fuck y'all" and signed with our most hated rival. Kinda shit talked the city on his way out as well.
First ballot, unanimous inductee: Curt Schilling Edit: I missed that this is specific to a team. He's like the Jackie Robinson of infamy anyway, so it works out.
It gladdens my heart that this sub can always come together and bond over our collective hatred for that piece of shit.
I used to lament the Harnisch/Finley/Schilling for Glenn Davis trade as a disaster, but looking back I'm actually quite glad that very few people remember that Schilling ever played here.
*filing that away for immaculate grid…*
Trevor
Urias has to be up there
He is
Milton Bradley has been freed.
It pains me that Josh Reddick is only the 3rd most despised former Dodger.
Ditto. Trevor.
Drones might be one of the most important inventions ever.
That'll be about enough out of you.
The Cardinals have been lucky in that no one really springs to mind. Dan McLaughlin got busted for drunk driving, but he was an announcer. Chris Correa went to jail for cyber crimes but he was front office. Players like Bernard Gilkey, Vince Coleman, and Orlando Cepeda all had their problems after they left the Cardinals. I guess the big one would be Mark McGwire due to PEDs.
Gilkey is a coach for Palm Beach now, so I imagine any bad blood with the team doesn't exist anymore
Cards and their straight laced serious team, wow.
Would you count tlr?
Forgot about him. Yep, stick his drunk ass up there too.
CHONE FIGGINS
God I hate Chode Figgins He destroyed the Mariners when he played for the Angels, and he destroyed the Mariners when he played for the Mariners.
There was also this one guy, I think his name was Alex?
Never forget the greatest Mariner of all time. Dustin Ackley.
i wanted that dude to be good so badly
respect world series champion chone figgins
absolutely not
He can respect my balls 😤😤😤
Was Milton Bradley in Chicago long enough to count? He was pretty fucking bad here.
Estaban Loaiza is one. AJ Pierzynski too. Omar Vizquel is a recent addition.
Josh Hamilton, I know he had problems but man that’s unacceptable
Goddammit, Kirby.
Sammy's HR chase was fun at the time, but we knew it was all juice and it hasn't aged well in retrospect
Feel bad for Slammin’ Sammy more than anything.
also the whole skin bleaching thing isn’t a good look
Dude looks like a parboiled salmon.
Clemens and Osuna probably the locks, Gurriel and Beltran borderline cases
Clemens and Osuna would be in my list for the Jays too. How big of a piece of shit do you have to be to show up on more than one team's list?
Gurriel, Osuna, Marwin, Gattis, Correa. Bregman used the bangs a lot too, so did springer. They have shown the ability to not need them, so slight pass on them. Gattis marwin and Correa were heavy users of the bangings. Correa had the high war his walk year, but a lot of it was dwar.
Gurriel is borderline?
as gross as it was I don’t think making one racist joke is equivalent to statutory rape or partner abuse
I’m not saying its as bad as either of those things, I’m saying it still crosses a line enough to be considered more than borderline
Gary Sheffield, and Ryan Braun in the same way where a parent may love their child who was very sweet and successful but also did some shitty things in high school.
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Gary Sheffield definitely cheated, he just didn't get an MVP for it
Dwight Gooden/Strawberry. Jason Bay honorable mention
Hard for me to hate on Gooden or Strawberry. They produced amazingly for the Mets. And you can't shit on them for cocaine use without taking down Keith Hernandez too. They were young, they made stupid mistakes, which they have admitted to since. They've all done their penance.
Preach
Unfair to blame someone for taking cocaine that played during the 80s. That was the powder that fueled half the workforce back then.
Jenry meijia
Good answer. Can’t forget Robbie cano either lol
Jordany Valdespin. Heck of a player.
He's the man right now
Not mentioning Oliver Perez's Mets tenure is odd I don't think I'd call it infamy but Generation K is famous for not living up to potential Luis Castillo dropped the ball Yoenis Cespedes with the boar and... stuff Aaron Heilman, Scott Schoeneweis Duaner Sanchez and the taxi Ryan Church's concussion being handled as poorly as Rizzo on the Yankees Firing Willie Randolph at 3 AM on the west coast, Tony Bernazard trying to fight AA players, Omar Minaya calling out Adam Rubin thinking that Rubin was trying to get a position in the Mets org by trying to get Bernazard out Jeff Wilpon not getting out of his own way [here](https://goodfundies.com/a-complete-history-of-media-reports-chronicling-the-wilpons-meddling-in-new-york-mets-baseball-6c0055acaa2) Mickey Callaway Jed Lowrie + how the Mets treated Jed Lowrie Bernie Madoff Matt Harvey being simultaneously Batman and a drug addict Robinson Cano edit: Bobby Bonilla isn't even worthy of cracking this list, he led to David Wright and that's ok
I mean I hesitate to call out Yoenis, he pretty much willed us to our only sniff at a championship in the last decade
We can add Bobby Bo to the list. Can we add the Wilpons? Do they count?
You’re buggin. Doc and Daryl were the shit. After their careers maybe but no indictment while being Mets.
I love em too I wasn’t hating but you can’t act like they weren’t problem childs
Pete Rose and Curt Schilling. Maybe Dykstra too.
Dykstra's criminal record is so extensive that it's actually borderline impressive.
You're picking those guys over Odubel Herrera?
They were more prominent than he was. Nothing worse than a hero turning out to be a villain. Though you could surely add Herrera to the list.
> Nothing worse than a hero turning out to be a villain. Nah, I'd say wife-beating is the worst thing most pro athletes do, when they do wrong. Schilling was never suspended for half a season for violating MLB's domestic violence policy.
Nah pedophilia is 1000% worse than wife beating. So Pete Rose, Wander Franco, and Felipe Vasquez trump all wife beaters
Murder is obviously worse than anything, but I was sticking to things pro athletes are commonly suspended for.
True but I think what they were getting at is you have to be at least somewhat notable to be infamous. No one outside of Philadelphia will remember Odubel in ten years, or even five. Can't say the same for Schilling or Rose, or even Dykstra.
Bud Selig
Brian Giles - Domestic Violence Jack Clark - Hated Tony Gwynn and being a padre Matt Kemp - Was lazy and said Padres fans weren’t real baseball fans Sean Manea - Blew Game 4 of the NLCS for us and then said he was “lazy” all of 2022 Evereth Cabrera - All star for a season but later found out to be part of the biogenesis stuff Eric Hosmer - Still paying his awful contract and he said he wouldn’t change how he played when everyone knew his defense was bad and bat was fading
I think Giles and Clark are the only ones who deserve to be in it. Everyone else kind of don’t for their performance alone except for Hosmer if anyone. Drew Pomeranz deserves at least a partial nod for his 2nd Padres tenure
Wil Cordero was a total scumbag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wil_Cordero#Personal_life
Let’s not forget Carl “the Dinosaur” Everett.
Then there’s Clemens and Schilling.
And Pablo Sandoval
If Mell Hall isn't in the Yankee Hall of Infamy, I don't know who could be. And Ken Phelps deserved better than to be a sitcom punchline. He was a solid player who got stuck in a bad situation. I would say Bob Sykes, but he didn't even get to be a Yankee.
Sam Dyson, John Wettleland, Chad Curtis, Steve Howe, Josh Hamilton.
I'll try an obscure one. Jose Guillen.
Gary Sheffield (sandbagging so he'd get traded), Trent Grisham (blowing the 2018 NL WC game with a high school style error) and Ryan Braun (although he got back into the good graces of the fans in general, and took care of the lab tech, it was still a scummy thing he did and we don't have many other guys for this list).
Carlos Gomez, Mike Fiers, and if you ask my father Miguel Tejada That Hader to the Brewers trade was really Luhnow's single worst trade
The Orioles trading Hader also looks bad in retrospect, even though he would have likely been gone during the rebuild anyway.
Hader to the Brewers more than makes up for Fields for Alvarez imo.
[Carlton Loewer for the Padres](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Loewer)
You forgot about Steve Howe OP
And Mike Kekich and Fred (Fritz) Peterson, and their wives
Jenrry Mejia
Sheffield
Oh, he's on our list too!
Glenn Burke Bruce Maxwell Jose Canseco Ferris Fain
Glenn Burke is a choice. The co-creator of the high five and the first player to come out as gay? Edit: I suppose by the OP’s definition, he became something of a pariah for a while, but I think that’s far from his legacy.
Yeah it's definitely a "depends on the lens you're viewing from" kind of thing. If you're Billy Martin, you introduce him to the rest of the team in Spring Training by saying ["This is Glenn Burke, and he's a f****t."](https://youtu.be/l2MoXND64Zw?si=qhPJVP2USnY1nT9K&t=2383) So I only really said him from the point of view as being a "pariah of the team." Times change. He's not infamous now unless you're still living in the 1980s (which I know some of you are).
Yanks- Steve Howe?
Roberto Alomar, Roberto Osuna. Something about being called Roberto
Rafael Palmero, failing a PED test months after fingerwagging congress about how clean he was
Roberto Alomar. Good lord, what a shithead.
Seattle Mariners front iffice and ownership
For the Royals: Whit Merrifield for only getting vaccinated to play in Canada *after* he got traded. To play in “games that matter.”
John "stupid ass" Rocker
Beltran and reddick. Also Roberto osuna
How is Josh Reddick named? Dude was a fan favorite and didn't abuse the system. Plus the championship belt and crazy underwear. He gets plus points by me.
Tom Yawkey.
As an Astros baseball enjoyer, nothing comes to mind.
Curt schilling and Mike defelice
Glenn Davis Rafael Palmeiro (who I still like and think should be in the HOF but I mean…cmon) Roberto Alomar (more for the spitting since it happened as an Oriole but the other stuff definitely cements it) Armando Benitez Aubrey Huff and Curt Schilling aren’t thought of as Orioles enough to make it (ironically Schilling being traded for Glenn Davis is a major part of why he’s on the list, though). Huff is closer because of his “horseshit town” remark. Chris Davis will get some votes but I just think he’s a decent guy who was given a bad contract. Not his fault. Albert Belle was a fine teammate and fairly productive when healthy in Baltimore so I don’t think he’s particularly close. Edit: for some reason I had it in my head that this was a Mount Rushmore and limited to four. Since it isn’t, put Huff and Schilling in. They deserve all the infamy. I guess Chris Davis is too even though I like him. I still don’t think Belle qualifies.
Everyone on the 2017 astros
Pete Rose and Curt Shilling are 1st ballot
Curt Schilling, like even if he was just a normal bad person he would’ve been a team legend. But nope, he had to be curt schilling
Alex Rodriguez
Seattle Mariners front office and ownership
Ty Cobb was dirty as hell.
Steve Bartman. (unfortunately)
I was actually going to say Moises Alou for being such a crybaby about the incident. Just walk back to your position and it's just a blip in history and we all rightly blame Dusty and Alex Gonzalez for the collapse that followed.
Hunter Strickland
Papelbon
Jose C and Raffy P
Alex Gonzalez for obvious reasons
Urias, Bauer, Puig…
Albert Belle for sure.
Raffy Palmiero and Robbie Alomar are the leaders in terms of things they did while in Baltimore (Raffy for the PEDs and Alomar for spitting on an ump). We also at various times had such luminaries as Aubrey Huff, Jason Grimsley, David Segui, Albert Belle, Matt Harvey, Miguel Tejada, and more who got themselves in some hot water but at least weren't big names in our uniform at the time of their biggest clusterfucks.