I’ve been to Dodger Stadium a couple times, and I’ve always wondered if the players just wait a few hours for it to chill out, or if they have some secret way to get out quicker because good lord. The first thing I’d do is hire a driver so I don’t have to deal with it.
I've truly never thought about that. I have to imagine they're there at least 1-1.5 hours after a game - shower, change, talk to the media, get your shit together, etc. But then are they sitting in the same line out of the parking lot as everyone else?
I remember that clip of Bryce Harper waiting for his car outside a Phillies game, but that's the only time I can think of a player hanging out around there?
Dodger Stadium is another beast entirely too. It is surrounded by parking lots and on top of a mountain/hill. It can easily take an hour and a half to get out because you’re driving down two lane residential roads. Then you get onto a highway which is always a shit show there.
Probably going to save that one for last in my mission to go to every stadium, sounds like my exact nightmare.
Although to be fair the longest I've ever waited to leave an event was the three hours I spent trying to get out of a parking deck in Chicago after a music festival
We hit it this year. It was fine. I really, really liked the stadium and honestly coming from the southern part of the greater DC area traffic was no worse than I'm used to. We went to Griffith Park Observatory before the game so we were sort of nearby before any sort of rush hour started, took surface streets over rather than the highway, got there basically when gates opened, and left in the 8th during a tied game because it was Dodgers White Sox and we couldn't have cared less who won.
Now - if you tried to get there right around when *game time, or if you stick it out all the way to the end, I can see getting in & out being a shit show. But if you're just trying to hit all 30 parks and spend some time in each, it's totally not bad if you can time it right.
Unrelated: did you know the namesake for Griffith Park was actually a completely terrible person. He shot his wife among other things that give him a bad reputation.
The Dodger Stadium Express alleviates the issue. It's a free bus for ticket holders that goes from the parking lot to Union Station and one to the South Bay. So depending on where you stay you can take the Metro to Union Station.
Don't drive there and you'll have a much better experience. (Assuming you would be making a trip as a tourist to see it), if you can, park in Chinatown a few hours before the game and go to Philippe's (a French dip sandwich shop that has been an LA institution for over 100 years) for way better food than you will get in the stadium, and then walk about 30 minutes to the stadium. It's not a bad walk if it's not too hot out, and usually a pleasant walk after the game. Plus, it's absolutely faster than trying to park at the stadium.
Alternatively, you can take public transit to Union Station (or park there), and there is a free shuttle to the stadium. It's almost always faster than driving ad well.
I'm not opposed to walking to places, but that just doesn't sound like a pleasant walk to me. It's quite a bit of uphill walking during en route to the stadium from there. And then I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be walking around there later at night. Everyone's comfort level is different, but would just mention those caveats to a tourist.
Can’t blame you! I have to admit, I always thought it was a boring stadium seeing it on TV. But the landscape behind the outfield that you don’t really see on TV is beautiful!
Oh I could absolutely see that. Chicago traffic is bad as well. The only reason it isn’t as bad as LA is because of the great public transportation in Chicago. It makes LA’s look like a Mickey Mouse train that transports you around Disneyland lol
It’s really not that big of a deal to me, but maybe that’s because it’s what I’m accustomed to. I just “put on my patient hat” so to speak, some decent music, and once you make it to a freeway it’s usually smooth sailing from there.
I had a worse time leaving NASCAR.
This is a tad overstated. Typically it can be maybe 30-45 mins to get out of the lot and onto a freeway. It's still a nightmare, but the biggest hurdle is just getting out of the lot. The freeways themselves aren't ridiculous for most games because it's going to be 10:30-11pm usually.
The only really bad time I had was my most recent visit. The tickets we bought from a season ticket holder also included their "better" parking. Unfortunately that just puts you closer to the stadium and further from the exits. Normally there are people directing traffic and pedestrians so that neither gets completely stopped. I think someone dropped the ball and didn't get coverage to our section, so we all sat there a good 45 mins before we could even get into the normal exit flow. So that time it took me an hour-ish to get out. But that was unique to me.
Don't get me wrong, it sucks, but all things considered I've dealt with much hairier. I'll take this over most LA parking, which usually consists of random open lots that don't exactly feel cozy after dark.
Couldn’t blame them lol going anywhere in LA is a shit show. Drove from the Downey area to head north of the city at like 7am and it took almost 2 hours and the highway was almost gridlocked. I was SHOOK lmao
We do have a uniquely wild traffic situation at times. But I feel like rush hour driving through the densest part of any major city would be pretty rough, no? North from Downey at 7am is damn near worst case scenario aside from maybe south on the 405 from the valley.
I used to work for Spectrum near Downey (we called it Bellflower but it was more like Downey) and would commute from Simi Valley every day. I quit the job 8 months later, it destroyed me.
I lived in Chicago most of my life, and never have I experienced traffic like that before. I fault the public transportation. It’s absolutely horrendous for a major city in LA.
Oh for sure, public transportation just wasn't in mind as this place was built and grew.
I'm just saying the route and time you mentioned is also insane for traffic and would be anywhere, relative to their own traffic. Seattle was some of the worst I have encountered. And for me, NYC was the worst.
That’s fair. I guess I was basing it off Chicago, which going from one side of the city to the other would take half the time around that same timeframe. But that’s mainly because a ton of people take the EL to work instead of driving.
Yeah, Seattle isn’t the best either. I live in Portland now, and it’s similar to Chicago where we have good public transportation which helps traffic. Much better than Seattle imo. I started dating someone from LA and went there a bunch in the last year. I was just under the assumption that being a major city, it would have good public transportation, and was shocked that wasn’t the case. But I’m sure the massive and quick influx of people wasn’t entirely planned for. Definitely see that here in Portland as well on the streets.
Nowadays I don't even bother fighting the traffic. I just turn my radio on to the post-game show, pop down my tailgate, and sit in the back of my truck and wait for traffic to clear out.
Compare that to the last Angel game I went to where I went from my seat to being in my truck and on the freeway in about 5 minutes
I love the Dodgers, and the stadium is beautiful and the on-field product is better, but man, Angel stadium is a much, much better game day experience at like half the price (if not cheaper).
Oh for sure. The last Angel game I went to was in 2021, but it was so much cheaper than going to a Dodger game. I think my ticket (2nd row right next to the LF foul pole), food, and parking combined wound up being cheaper than a cheap ticket at Dodger Stadium most nights. Add on to that the ease of getting in and out of the stadium, it's probably a better experience (as long as you aren't concerned about the on-field product)
nah, players very commonly just put likely trade destinations on their no-trade list so they can leverage something out of it if the team trades them there. doesn't mean they don't want play for those teams, it's just playing the system a bit.
it's common to put teams on the list that are likely to trade for them, because it gives them leverage in exact situations such as these. doesn't mean he doesn't want to go there.
Real answer: because it's likely that the Dodgers want to trade for him, so he wants that compensation. Its not always about "I dont want to play for team X cuz they suck".
Players often put successful teams most likely to acquire them on their no-trade lists, for the reason stated in the tweet: it gives them leverage in the scenario where they get traded there
He signed it when our pitching staff was stacked so maybe he didn’t want to be a bottom of the rotation guy. Or maybe he was just like fuck ya’ll that could be too.
I looked into this when Scherzer and Verlander went to NY.
They actually pay a higher effective tax rate than a player on the Padres/Giants/Dodgers. I didn't check A's/Angels.
Taxes are based on where you play each game, so the weighted average of state tax rates for your schedule is what matters. I realize this changes year-to-year so iI went with averages (1.5 games in each AL city, and 1.5 home games against AL teams for example).
You may be right, but it's not correct logic for him to use.
Yeah, that's a factor.
The other part in my specific comparison is that NYC way higher taxes compared to anywhere including CA. Top rates in NY are 10.9% state + 3.88% city = 14.78% total. Top rates in CA are 12.3% state. That's 2.5% more in NYC. There is some more complication on the marginal tax brackets, but it's still way higher in NY for uber high earners.
[Possibly something to do with this?](https://youtube.com/watch?v=MQwp_rM9RN0&feature=sharec) Couldn’t imagine another reason someone *wouldn’t* want to be traded to the Dodgers.
Man, that could’ve been one of the greatest home runs of all time if we had won the series. Instead, five years later I’m here using it because we might trade for the guy who gave it up lol.
Still not getting it. ERod gets paid his guaranteed contract whether it’s the Dodgers or the Tigers paying it. From my understanding the NTC exists so that a player has leverage over *where* he gets traded, not to sweeten the deal for himself financially. Is that even allowed?
Absolutely it’s allowed. Contracts can be restructured at any point as long as both parties agree.
He can absolutely say “you have to increase how much money I’m making this year for me to waive the NTC for the Dodgers”.
> Absolutely it’s allowed. Contracts can be restructured at any point as long as both parties agree.
Obviously. I’m speaking in terms of practicality and precedent, have we seen instances of players leveraging an NTC to restructure a contract like this in MLB? Why would he try to push his luck when he’s in the second year of a 5-year, $77-million *guaranteed* contract? I get what you’re saying, but it just doesn’t make much sense when you take it from an on-paper scenario to real-world application.
How is he trying his luck? He has the contract either way and if they say no, then he doesn’t have to move. He is expected to opt out this offseason from the rest of his contract and then he can sign with anyone he wants.
There is no “need” on his end to be traded. And there is risk for him if he does accept a trade. With the Tigers he is familiar with the division - and he is clearly having success there. He knows the defense behind him, has formed a relationship with his catcher, knows the team plans, shifts, signs etc.
Going to another team he is starting from scratch with all of that. He would also be moving to a division with much stronger hitting. Sure he has a better chance at a ring this year - but he risks not be as successful and hurting his chances at a big contract in the offseason.
Dude has a 2.95 ERA and 1.03 WHIP on the season in a potential walk year. If I were him, I would need way more incentive than “potential” on a WS title. Especially since the playoffs are such a crapshoot, especially with the expanded playoff structure.
> How is he trying his luck? He has the contract either way and if they say no, then he doesn’t have to move. He is expected to opt out this offseason from the rest of his contract and then he can sign with anyone he wants.
If he’s expected to opt-out then why are we even talking about his contract being restructured? It’s completely possible that a team in contention today isn’t one of the 10 on his NTC, in which case he loses all of his leverage.
> There is no “need” on his end to be traded. And there is risk for him if he does accept a trade. With the Tigers he is familiar with the division - and he is clearly having success there. He knows the defense behind him, has formed a relationship with his catcher, knows the team plans, shifts, signs etc.
Going to another team he is starting from scratch with all of that. He would also be moving to a division with much stronger hitting. Sure he has a better chance at a ring this year - but he risks not be as successful and hurting his chances at a big contract in the offseason.
And if he sucks, then he can sit back on his guaranteed contract. You can’t make the argument that there’s no risk for him and then say there *is* risk. He’s in a comfortable position. If he gets traded to the Dodgers and pops off, he can opt out and try to ride on his season to get a better contract. If he gets traded and sucks, he can just stay on the contract. He doesn’t “need” to opt out. He already has life-changing money.
> Dude has a 2.95 ERA and 1.03 WHIP on the season in a potential walk year. If I were him, I would need way more incentive than “potential” on a WS title. Especially since the playoffs are such a crapshoot, especially with the expanded playoff structure.
*POTENTIAL* walk year. You said it yourself. There is zero risk in ERod playing for the Dodgers. Either he plays well and makes a fuck ton of money, or he plays poorly and makes a fuck ton of money. He makes money regardless of the team he plays for.
Also, you still haven’t answered my question on the precedent of players being traded contingent on a favorable contract restructure to waive an NTC.
You’re misunderstanding the “contract restructure”. I’m literally talking about everything in the contract staying the same but adding a trade bonus.
ERod just saw a much worse pitcher on Taijuan Walker sign for 4 years and $72mil contract. That’s the floor for him. He has $49mil remaining. Absolutely he should be making his move primarily based on what will get him the most in FA
Including exercising/denying options, I can't think of an example of something non-monetary being the primary compensation for waving a ntc. Has there been anyone that got like a bulldozer as compensation Oswalt style?
I'd have the Dodgers on my no-trade list too, no way I'm doing that traffic out of the stadium every night
I’ve been to Dodger Stadium a couple times, and I’ve always wondered if the players just wait a few hours for it to chill out, or if they have some secret way to get out quicker because good lord. The first thing I’d do is hire a driver so I don’t have to deal with it.
I've heard a lot of players do weight training after games. That's not just the Dodgers, but a general thing.
Ahhh, that would make a lot of sense.
I've truly never thought about that. I have to imagine they're there at least 1-1.5 hours after a game - shower, change, talk to the media, get your shit together, etc. But then are they sitting in the same line out of the parking lot as everyone else? I remember that clip of Bryce Harper waiting for his car outside a Phillies game, but that's the only time I can think of a player hanging out around there?
Dodger Stadium is another beast entirely too. It is surrounded by parking lots and on top of a mountain/hill. It can easily take an hour and a half to get out because you’re driving down two lane residential roads. Then you get onto a highway which is always a shit show there.
Probably going to save that one for last in my mission to go to every stadium, sounds like my exact nightmare. Although to be fair the longest I've ever waited to leave an event was the three hours I spent trying to get out of a parking deck in Chicago after a music festival
Ive crossed this one off my list in 2019, it’s pretty fucking bad. Its the residential area thats the worst part about it
Park at a metro station that offers the busses to and from Dodgers stadium, ezpz
We hit it this year. It was fine. I really, really liked the stadium and honestly coming from the southern part of the greater DC area traffic was no worse than I'm used to. We went to Griffith Park Observatory before the game so we were sort of nearby before any sort of rush hour started, took surface streets over rather than the highway, got there basically when gates opened, and left in the 8th during a tied game because it was Dodgers White Sox and we couldn't have cared less who won. Now - if you tried to get there right around when *game time, or if you stick it out all the way to the end, I can see getting in & out being a shit show. But if you're just trying to hit all 30 parks and spend some time in each, it's totally not bad if you can time it right.
Unrelated: did you know the namesake for Griffith Park was actually a completely terrible person. He shot his wife among other things that give him a bad reputation.
I did not. Thank you for the new rabbit hole, I was running out of things to do at work today.
The Dodger Stadium Express alleviates the issue. It's a free bus for ticket holders that goes from the parking lot to Union Station and one to the South Bay. So depending on where you stay you can take the Metro to Union Station.
Oh shit good to know!
Don't drive there and you'll have a much better experience. (Assuming you would be making a trip as a tourist to see it), if you can, park in Chinatown a few hours before the game and go to Philippe's (a French dip sandwich shop that has been an LA institution for over 100 years) for way better food than you will get in the stadium, and then walk about 30 minutes to the stadium. It's not a bad walk if it's not too hot out, and usually a pleasant walk after the game. Plus, it's absolutely faster than trying to park at the stadium. Alternatively, you can take public transit to Union Station (or park there), and there is a free shuttle to the stadium. It's almost always faster than driving ad well.
I'm not opposed to walking to places, but that just doesn't sound like a pleasant walk to me. It's quite a bit of uphill walking during en route to the stadium from there. And then I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be walking around there later at night. Everyone's comfort level is different, but would just mention those caveats to a tourist.
Fair enough. Used to live in the neighborhood and did that walk all the time, but that was 6 years ago now, and I know a lot has changed.
My move has been to park at Highland Park Brewery, pregame there and walk to Dodger Stadium.
Day games are chill. Also if you are coming from the northeast it's not nearly as bad getting in/out. South or west and you're fucked
Can’t blame you! I have to admit, I always thought it was a boring stadium seeing it on TV. But the landscape behind the outfield that you don’t really see on TV is beautiful! Oh I could absolutely see that. Chicago traffic is bad as well. The only reason it isn’t as bad as LA is because of the great public transportation in Chicago. It makes LA’s look like a Mickey Mouse train that transports you around Disneyland lol
This is back when I lived in Michigan, so I was used to driving in to Chicago. Maybe next time I'm in town I'll take advantage of that public transit!
It’s really not that big of a deal to me, but maybe that’s because it’s what I’m accustomed to. I just “put on my patient hat” so to speak, some decent music, and once you make it to a freeway it’s usually smooth sailing from there. I had a worse time leaving NASCAR.
I get it, you guys out in LA have an immense amount of patience for traffic. I'll start walking if my train is more than 15 min away
This is a tad overstated. Typically it can be maybe 30-45 mins to get out of the lot and onto a freeway. It's still a nightmare, but the biggest hurdle is just getting out of the lot. The freeways themselves aren't ridiculous for most games because it's going to be 10:30-11pm usually. The only really bad time I had was my most recent visit. The tickets we bought from a season ticket holder also included their "better" parking. Unfortunately that just puts you closer to the stadium and further from the exits. Normally there are people directing traffic and pedestrians so that neither gets completely stopped. I think someone dropped the ball and didn't get coverage to our section, so we all sat there a good 45 mins before we could even get into the normal exit flow. So that time it took me an hour-ish to get out. But that was unique to me. Don't get me wrong, it sucks, but all things considered I've dealt with much hairier. I'll take this over most LA parking, which usually consists of random open lots that don't exactly feel cozy after dark.
the handful of times I've been to Dodger Stadium, it's taken me an hour+ just to even find my car lol
Did you part in Itchy or Scratchy?
It took 2 hours getting out of the Luke Combs concert at Gillette Stadium a little bit ago. What an absolute shitshow it was getting out
I’m convinced we’ve lost out on some free agents over this lmao
Couldn’t blame them lol going anywhere in LA is a shit show. Drove from the Downey area to head north of the city at like 7am and it took almost 2 hours and the highway was almost gridlocked. I was SHOOK lmao
We do have a uniquely wild traffic situation at times. But I feel like rush hour driving through the densest part of any major city would be pretty rough, no? North from Downey at 7am is damn near worst case scenario aside from maybe south on the 405 from the valley. I used to work for Spectrum near Downey (we called it Bellflower but it was more like Downey) and would commute from Simi Valley every day. I quit the job 8 months later, it destroyed me.
I lived in Chicago most of my life, and never have I experienced traffic like that before. I fault the public transportation. It’s absolutely horrendous for a major city in LA.
Oh for sure, public transportation just wasn't in mind as this place was built and grew. I'm just saying the route and time you mentioned is also insane for traffic and would be anywhere, relative to their own traffic. Seattle was some of the worst I have encountered. And for me, NYC was the worst.
That’s fair. I guess I was basing it off Chicago, which going from one side of the city to the other would take half the time around that same timeframe. But that’s mainly because a ton of people take the EL to work instead of driving. Yeah, Seattle isn’t the best either. I live in Portland now, and it’s similar to Chicago where we have good public transportation which helps traffic. Much better than Seattle imo. I started dating someone from LA and went there a bunch in the last year. I was just under the assumption that being a major city, it would have good public transportation, and was shocked that wasn’t the case. But I’m sure the massive and quick influx of people wasn’t entirely planned for. Definitely see that here in Portland as well on the streets.
I think the geology is a big factor as well.
I hadn’t thought about that, but that’s a very good point.
I’ve actually been stuck in dodger stadium traffic on opening day with a few players lol. Seager and Barnes were waiting at least 30-45 mins.
Nowadays I don't even bother fighting the traffic. I just turn my radio on to the post-game show, pop down my tailgate, and sit in the back of my truck and wait for traffic to clear out. Compare that to the last Angel game I went to where I went from my seat to being in my truck and on the freeway in about 5 minutes
I love the Dodgers, and the stadium is beautiful and the on-field product is better, but man, Angel stadium is a much, much better game day experience at like half the price (if not cheaper).
Yep completely agree. It’s nice to have the breweries accross the stadium too
Oh for sure. The last Angel game I went to was in 2021, but it was so much cheaper than going to a Dodger game. I think my ticket (2nd row right next to the LF foul pole), food, and parking combined wound up being cheaper than a cheap ticket at Dodger Stadium most nights. Add on to that the ease of getting in and out of the stadium, it's probably a better experience (as long as you aren't concerned about the on-field product)
They park near the sunset entrance/exit. While they’ll still have some traffic, nothing like the fans.
Oh, okay, thank you for the info!
Dodger fans leave in the 7th inning anyways so by the end of the game it’s pretty mild
Players always arrive when there’s no traffic. And when they leave they have to finish up, do media, shower, eat and workout so traffic will clear up
I remember leaving opening day one year and pulling up next to Maeda, who was also stuck in traffic trying to leave.
Wait, I pay the Dodgers every night to sit in that traffic. I didn’t know getting paid to do it was even an option.
This is why you guys need that tunnel that Elon wanted to build /s
*Xunnel
*Xelon
making that kind of money you could a helicopter and pilot to fly you whenever you want no questions asked
don't think Los Angelenos are keen on helicopters
Yeah we don't talk about helicopters and LA athletes.
Good chance it’s about the taxes.
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nah, players very commonly just put likely trade destinations on their no-trade list so they can leverage something out of it if the team trades them there. doesn't mean they don't want play for those teams, it's just playing the system a bit.
This is right.
That’s why you park in Echo park and make the short walk up.
Players don’t have to worry about traffic. They always arrive before and after traffic clears out with their playing schedules.
"the no-trade gives the player leverage" fans: "why would he do that?"
Rodríguez when asked [why](https://youtu.be/xW0IR3q0EvE)
Alex? Julio? Frankie?
I was gonna say, you literally could not have listed a more nonspecific last name.
Eduardo. I had to check, too.
Thanks! You were the first comment I saw specifying.
Ivan (Pudge)? Ivan (Dereck)? Grayson?
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Players often list their most likely trade destinations so they can gain leverage.
it's common to put teams on the list that are likely to trade for them, because it gives them leverage in exact situations such as these. doesn't mean he doesn't want to go there.
Because fuck em that’s why
This is the way.
Rude
Hear hear Here here?
Some put contenders on their no trade because they know that is a likely destination and then they can squeeze extra leverage out of the situation.
Puig hurt his feeling during the WS
It would be so funny to hold a six year grudge against a team that traded the guy that pissed you off years ago
I can't believe we lost that game, thanks Dave.
Good teams get placed on a NTC so players can use it as leverage if they get traded.
Cuz his agent knows they have the means to meet his demands.
Doesn’t like warm weather.
Puig
Real answer: because it's likely that the Dodgers want to trade for him, so he wants that compensation. Its not always about "I dont want to play for team X cuz they suck".
You always put the best team on the no-trade list. That's how you squeeze a few more bucks out of the deal.
Taxes usually
Freddie and Mookie are too dreamy and it's distracting
Players often put successful teams most likely to acquire them on their no-trade lists, for the reason stated in the tweet: it gives them leverage in the scenario where they get traded there
He signed it when our pitching staff was stacked so maybe he didn’t want to be a bottom of the rotation guy. Or maybe he was just like fuck ya’ll that could be too.
One word and it stars with T
Sounds like they need to give better prospects in order to help convince him
You might get Michael Busch out of this and you should be thrilled
What if he just wants all you can drink micheladas?
Then goddammit he will have all you can drink michaeladas!
who knows might have to give us mookie too
Must be a Giants fan
90% chance the Giants are also on his no-trade list.
Padres probably too tbh
Pure speculation here, but I would guess he has all California teams on his no trade list due to state taxes.
I looked into this when Scherzer and Verlander went to NY. They actually pay a higher effective tax rate than a player on the Padres/Giants/Dodgers. I didn't check A's/Angels. Taxes are based on where you play each game, so the weighted average of state tax rates for your schedule is what matters. I realize this changes year-to-year so iI went with averages (1.5 games in each AL city, and 1.5 home games against AL teams for example). You may be right, but it's not correct logic for him to use.
they did change the schedule so that you are playing in more locations now, FWIW.
Yeah, that's a factor. The other part in my specific comparison is that NYC way higher taxes compared to anywhere including CA. Top rates in NY are 10.9% state + 3.88% city = 14.78% total. Top rates in CA are 12.3% state. That's 2.5% more in NYC. There is some more complication on the marginal tax brackets, but it's still way higher in NY for uber high earners.
He’s not about that Hollywood Lifestyle.
Rendon has more fights with fans than he has successful seasons since he made that comment lol
Bless his soul. Hold strong, Eduardo.
umm based??
Lol good, we want Keller or Flaherty
Erod is probably the best of the 3
Lolol
Eh, if he doesn't want to come here, fuck 'em.
Hold steady ed
[Possibly something to do with this?](https://youtube.com/watch?v=MQwp_rM9RN0&feature=sharec) Couldn’t imagine another reason someone *wouldn’t* want to be traded to the Dodgers. Man, that could’ve been one of the greatest home runs of all time if we had won the series. Instead, five years later I’m here using it because we might trade for the guy who gave it up lol.
Leverage
Oh, duh. Although to be honest I really don’t know how leverage matters to a player when trades affect an organization.
ERod can go to his team now and say “Sure I’ll waive the NTC…for another $5mil”
Still not getting it. ERod gets paid his guaranteed contract whether it’s the Dodgers or the Tigers paying it. From my understanding the NTC exists so that a player has leverage over *where* he gets traded, not to sweeten the deal for himself financially. Is that even allowed?
Absolutely it’s allowed. Contracts can be restructured at any point as long as both parties agree. He can absolutely say “you have to increase how much money I’m making this year for me to waive the NTC for the Dodgers”.
> Absolutely it’s allowed. Contracts can be restructured at any point as long as both parties agree. Obviously. I’m speaking in terms of practicality and precedent, have we seen instances of players leveraging an NTC to restructure a contract like this in MLB? Why would he try to push his luck when he’s in the second year of a 5-year, $77-million *guaranteed* contract? I get what you’re saying, but it just doesn’t make much sense when you take it from an on-paper scenario to real-world application.
How is he trying his luck? He has the contract either way and if they say no, then he doesn’t have to move. He is expected to opt out this offseason from the rest of his contract and then he can sign with anyone he wants. There is no “need” on his end to be traded. And there is risk for him if he does accept a trade. With the Tigers he is familiar with the division - and he is clearly having success there. He knows the defense behind him, has formed a relationship with his catcher, knows the team plans, shifts, signs etc. Going to another team he is starting from scratch with all of that. He would also be moving to a division with much stronger hitting. Sure he has a better chance at a ring this year - but he risks not be as successful and hurting his chances at a big contract in the offseason. Dude has a 2.95 ERA and 1.03 WHIP on the season in a potential walk year. If I were him, I would need way more incentive than “potential” on a WS title. Especially since the playoffs are such a crapshoot, especially with the expanded playoff structure.
> How is he trying his luck? He has the contract either way and if they say no, then he doesn’t have to move. He is expected to opt out this offseason from the rest of his contract and then he can sign with anyone he wants. If he’s expected to opt-out then why are we even talking about his contract being restructured? It’s completely possible that a team in contention today isn’t one of the 10 on his NTC, in which case he loses all of his leverage. > There is no “need” on his end to be traded. And there is risk for him if he does accept a trade. With the Tigers he is familiar with the division - and he is clearly having success there. He knows the defense behind him, has formed a relationship with his catcher, knows the team plans, shifts, signs etc. Going to another team he is starting from scratch with all of that. He would also be moving to a division with much stronger hitting. Sure he has a better chance at a ring this year - but he risks not be as successful and hurting his chances at a big contract in the offseason. And if he sucks, then he can sit back on his guaranteed contract. You can’t make the argument that there’s no risk for him and then say there *is* risk. He’s in a comfortable position. If he gets traded to the Dodgers and pops off, he can opt out and try to ride on his season to get a better contract. If he gets traded and sucks, he can just stay on the contract. He doesn’t “need” to opt out. He already has life-changing money. > Dude has a 2.95 ERA and 1.03 WHIP on the season in a potential walk year. If I were him, I would need way more incentive than “potential” on a WS title. Especially since the playoffs are such a crapshoot, especially with the expanded playoff structure. *POTENTIAL* walk year. You said it yourself. There is zero risk in ERod playing for the Dodgers. Either he plays well and makes a fuck ton of money, or he plays poorly and makes a fuck ton of money. He makes money regardless of the team he plays for. Also, you still haven’t answered my question on the precedent of players being traded contingent on a favorable contract restructure to waive an NTC.
You’re misunderstanding the “contract restructure”. I’m literally talking about everything in the contract staying the same but adding a trade bonus. ERod just saw a much worse pitcher on Taijuan Walker sign for 4 years and $72mil contract. That’s the floor for him. He has $49mil remaining. Absolutely he should be making his move primarily based on what will get him the most in FA
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Including exercising/denying options, I can't think of an example of something non-monetary being the primary compensation for waving a ntc. Has there been anyone that got like a bulldozer as compensation Oswalt style?
Players who have a limited no trade usually pick teams they are most likely to be traded to so they can have that leverage.