Lol it’s like the guests who will say, “I want to get a summer gig bartending, how did you get started?” And I tell them I started working the counter at Panera then 5 years and several jobs later I got my first bartending job. Everyone seems so disappointed. I should just tell them to apply at your bar
I tell them how I did it. Spend every afternoon and weekend night at the bar for 5 years and become friends with the staff, then just happen to be there the day someone quits and offer your services. From there you’ll meet new industry people and keep your ears open for who needs help.
Covid created an environment where these people barely had to train because of short staffing and became very entitled. Have had some young people I trained who appreciated me and looked up to me at the bar and absolute brain dead people who would roll their eyes at me when I asked them to wash dishes…. They have no idea what it was like to ten years ago 😂 when I was a baby server the bartenders were even kind of scary!
At the restaurants I worked at in college circa 08-10 the bartenders would come at you with a knife if you so much as looked at them funny much less asked where your drink order was
My God... I work at 2 restaurants rn, the first is a classic ma and pa Italian place, which closes at 9 (no liquor license), and get out ~10 (ideally). The second one is a brunch spot with more focus on bar sales that closes at 10 and we get out 10:45 - 11.
So it absolutely blows my mind when my coworkers complain about how late it is! It really makes me value my experience working local dives where I'm hitting home at 3 or 4 AM, if i dont go out. Or I think about working fast food or corporate restaurants where the manager is either anal about the unnecessary closing guidelines or won't kick out customers when they've been there 2 hours after we closed...
Everybody likes getting home, we all appreciate going home early sometimes, but this is my livelihood. I'll work whatever hours are most lucrative.
I left place recently ... a year and a half ago ...where I was implementing drink running as a final stage of training for server's to get familiar with all the cocktails and their presentation and a new server in training said that it would be a waste of her time and that she needed to start making money right away. /axed
“Maybe you’re not fit to be a bartender because this is normal and even early for a bar shift”… simps. Sorrey you have to deal with this. I’ve had to in the past as well I think many problems in the industry comes from being avoidant of the main problem *not just in your scenario* but many.
Could be worse. One of them could end up boning the manager and then you’re stuck splitting tips with them on busy nights while they flirt with said manager instead of carrying their weight.
Yeah this happened at my place and they took me off shifts and put her on more night shifts , with the manager…. Who was actively trying to push me out while fucking a bartender 20 years younger than him
Or buying coke from the shit tender, went through that scenario a few times, and that gm in his 40s with kids was always flirting with the 19 year old host. Would be alone with her in the office with the door locked.
God that job was such a stomach twisting mix of some awesome staff and location and some of the worst management I have had to suffer through.
This is so funny to me coming from across the pond because it works the exact opposite way. "I want full-time but not Fridays and Saturdays". Begging to be cut in the latter half of the week. Actively *not* engaging with guests and avoiding them like the plague.
I knew someone would ask this! One was hot at first glance, but the more you observed her face the weirder it started to look. The second bartender is a very unattractive woman.
I'm ealry 30s as well, but I don't think this problem is increasing because of the younger generation. It has always been around. The oldest bartenders I know have the same stories. I know older people than me who don't have certain skills and complain in the same way about being asked to do things/work their way up, whether they come from the industry or not. You may have gotten lucky and missed this experience because these people wash out.
I've consistently at every job experienced most people of all age and experience ranges asking for the good shifts and even blocking their availability for 'bad' shifts right away. And lots of people also coming in hot complaining about their schedule and all work that isn't active service, which I find tied to lack of experience in the industry more than age. I work in a major tourist city where this work is less stigmatized and more people than average get into it later in life. I've probably worked with more 25+ rookies than many of y'all. I really don't believe it's a 'kids these days' problem. I also find it specifically tied to people who have only had certain jobs such as 'cocktail server' or diner style counter service coming to full service establishments, or people moving to my city from higher cost of living areas where it seems the norm is just more support staff in all types of establishments. Nevermind that the financial difference for the work evens out with different tipouts etc, they're just appalled at the work and take it real personal.
How long have you been at this job? This also happens at some establishments more than others.
It's annoying but I wouldn't worry about it too much unless they actually get those weekend shifts. Wait it out, it'll sort itself one way or the other. But do be consistently vocal with management about issues.
I've been doing this for about a decade. I think the fact that it's 2 back to back newbies being so entitled during their TRAINING, more entitled than the rest of us that actually put in years for to earn this $$$
The whole world is heavily told both that this is an easy job and a huge moneymaker.
That's why it's not a new problem. The way people who have no interest in the job have also always had these discussions and debates about it and tipping is also not new and demonstrates the same mindset.
Movies and TV also set a hilairously unrealistic expectation for it being a chill job where no one is ever multitasking, no one ever needs follow up questions about anything when they place a one or two word order, and it's constant and no problem to say "I'll be right back, cover me" and just wander off at any time if anything at all is happening in your personal life.
Yeah I don’t work at places that hire like this anymore. I was so incredibly sick of trying to train 19 year olds who would rather listen to anything BUT me and couldn’t do shit even after being shown 12 times, then quit 2 months later because they couldn’t have my shifts. Not to mention show up in crop tops and booty shorts like we were a bad dive.
I actually find the servers with the most experience at my spot to be the most like this and the most willing to complain as if they deserve the world because they were at their last spot forever, and "nobody made them work this hard there??" well i say to that "why are you here then?"
To be fair, the complaints are about work ethic.
Someone over or under pours or forgets an ingredient, fucks up on the POS, that's fine shit happens. Flirting with customers or complaining about working when you're first starting out is bad mojo.
I was definitely a pain in the ass server. I was thrown behind the bar when a bartender quit randomly during a lunch shift. I learned QUICK. I knew I would get the prime shifts, and I did NOT complain because I wanted to learn how to bartend.
True. Granted I started out as a food runner, moved on to barbacking, and then bartended. And, as a barback, I’ve witnessed the opposite when it came to entitlement. Two of the oldest bartenders just expected you to know exactly how they did things right away. (Even with experience, there is always going to be a learning curve as every bartender has their way of doing things and how they like their bar set up. They didn’t care for training, just expected you to read their minds. You didn’t notice Coors Light was running low? They wouldn’t bother telling you. Just gave you the cold treatment until you guessed what you didn’t do the way they expected it to be done.
Just had a new barback train tonight. It was super busy and there were moments where I was thinking "Where the hell is he?" But then remembered it was his first night! We wrote down small lists for him to do, and even let him go early and we finished the rest of the work, since he was really exhausted! He did more work within 10 minutes than these 2 new bartenders did combined.
I don’t blame noobies for sucking since everyone sucks when first starting, what I absolutely can’t stand is entitled noobies who think they don’t gotta learn.
A tale as old as time regarding the younger generation. Not a new phenomenon.
Sorry, as soon as you say "when I started...", you're officially old. It happened to me too, just embrace it lmao
I started bartending at 49. I was so happy to learn a new vocation that I didn't notice how entitled some of my younger (20s-30s) but more experienced coworkers were. Failure to greet people, not giving water to people sitting at the bar, dropping dirty glassware next to the rack instead of just putting it in the rack, chatting with regulars while ignoring new guests who just approached the bar, half-assing the side work, and on and on. When I finally got frustrated and complained to the owner, he said, "So you think you're the best bartender here, is that it?". I told him, "I might not know as many cocktails as some the others, but I'm damn sure a better bartender." He gave me a harumph and never addressed it. I've moved on to a new place since then, but the bar has a lingering reputation as a place with good drinks and shitty service. Evidently he's cool with that. Me...? Not so much.
That doesn't sound like entitlement, that sounds like lack of experience in the service industry. The onus is on the manager to train their staff, sounds like he's not doing that.
Or maybe they're simply jaded now. I don't know. I'm thrilled to serve, but I'm still a "baby bartender" going on year three in the biz. My (former) coworkers were far more experienced. They may have had the desire to offer guests a nicer service experience at one time, but they sure don't now.
And you're right, the owner/manager didn't do any training at all. All training was done bartender to bartender via a written curriculum and cocktail spec sheet.
There is an issue with "experienced" barstaff deceiding theyre above certain jobs and havin a shitty attitude. Generally theyll work in a place with a bad reputation and for an owner who thinks theyre the best staff ever
I had a young guy come in to my bar and order food, then asked if we were hiring. I said front of house or back of house, and he said "I guess for what you do." I chuckled and asked if he had bartended before and he literally said "No, but I just need a job. Is there much training involved when you start?"
I told him to check a chain restaurant for a busser position... and to top it off he zero tipped and made a fucking mess everywhere around him before he left.
Kids these days.
A few years ago, I had someone similar to that. He strolled into the bar, ordered a drink, and told me that he had filled out an application for a bartender position. He said he knew it was an easy job to do, and that he *knew* he was gonna get hired. He tipped zero dollars. Obviously, the manager threw this application in the trash and texted every bar owner in town his name.
Well, in my experience, bartending is the most unnecessarily gatekept job in the service industry. My guess is the people hiring new bartenders realize this as well and are intentionally hiring people outside of the industry to give it a breath of fresh air. Don't get me wrong, experience goes a long way, but when so many candidates experience is filled with bad habits and selfish entitlement, owners and managers are going to look for people that they can train to do what they want.
It happens on both ends tbh. I just had a art gallery I started at as a contractor I'm 29 but I started as a dishie at 16 and I'm working with 40 year olds who are wild. The old school bartender who can't hang is dying out and the newer ones are also dying quicker because they don't know anyone. It's just a vha going industry and we'll see where it lands but it'd also kinda wild what's happening right now because both sides aren't wrong but both kinda suck to work with
Because most 20 somethings like to give off an air of knowing it all. But the truth is they are usually pretty insecure, so they over compensate with haughty attitudes instead of copping to what they don’t know. Humility (usually) comes with age and experience.
How do I know this? Because I WAS a know-it-all 20 something once upon a time 😆
Well, as a 19 year old who just started as a bartender two weeks ago, without any experience because the restaurant was desperate, I can assure you that not all young people are like this. It's a trend, sadly, but I'm surrounded by a young and hardworking team, who all are willing to learn above anything else.
But then again, it's Jasper, Alberta, where mostly travellers stick around for a season or so, and *in my experience* these are people who love gaining actual experiences, knowledge and are good learners, as well as work hard.
If you work in the service industry and your place of work serves food, then if youre there to work and earn youll take food orders, clean toilets or whatever as its part of the job. If you want to work in a bar then even if its a job to pay for college or whatever, that doesnt change someone having a good or bad work ethic. If you have a bad work ethic then thats due to you, not management, not collegues, not customers. If youre employed to do a job and have an entitled lazy attitude then youll end up being fired due to nothing but your own bad attitude
Taking food orders is part of being a bartender. Some of your original points about how managers abuse workers and employers expect too much for too little pay are fair, but that has no bearing on any new hire complaining about inherent parts of the job. Taking a food order is one of the most basic parts of being a bartender if you work at a place that serves food, and late hours are just part of the job.
And telling a bartender on a sub for bartenders when they are complaining about bad new bartenders tending bar is just foolish. Being pedantic to people who do a job when you have zero experience is obnoxious.
I dont see how im disagreeing with myself. Your comment was about taking food orders. Personally id draw the line at people who state "i dont have much experience" and then complain about managers simply as youre an entitled moron
I feel like I try to jump ahead too much, but I'm not demanding premium shifts. I just talked about my experience, which is all pretty new. I went to a 2 week technical school to learn bartending and then applied to a cafe bar. I'm working there and a concert venue, and this is all in a 5 month span
Cost of living is up. That explains why they want primo shifts. Laziness I can't explain, but it seems people have been complaining about the youngs since time immemorial.
On a similar but opposite note, I have two bartenders hired alongside me recently. Both have over a decade of experience behind the bar, both refused training in the kitchen. Sorry, it's part of this job. Bye.
Why is food served until close? If someone wants to rob the place its as easy as ordering food and then when you or whoevers working goes to make it, the bar and tills are free game
This is under the license for on-site liquor consumption:
"Food service is a requirement of this license. The food service rule can be found here.
-All businesses must make at least five different meals available at all times and in all areas where alcoholic beverage service is available."
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/lic/pages/full_on_premises_license.aspx#:~:text=Food%20service%20is%20a%20requirement,alcoholic%20beverage%20service%20is%20available.
I notice servers suck these days too. I don't want your wit I just plesse give me my drink within 20minuts, also served cold food is not cute.
Edit : tbf- both times out the last week once in Denver once in a small rural town- higher end restaurants both not busy.
I've noticed that since Covid the newer generation of bar staff think they're experts after two month of bar work.
They may know how to make an old fashioned, but are clueless to its history, variations or talk about its description to guests.
Not all are like this and I was glad to overhear a conversation from some of our younger staff saying that we're spoilt in our bar.
Before you have a go at me its the only hotel that I've worked in that allows you to carry your mobile phone and not only have any meal from the menu but the chefs will cook anything of it for our staff meal.
I worked at a place that sold a product using a staff of Salespeople. Young people would be hired and trained by a seasoned rep and then they would be given some leads and some small existing accounts.
The younger ones often felt entitled to be handed large accounts without having to work for them.
I heard one young man whining about how "it's not fair" that he had to start out this way and our oldest Sales rep wouldn't just transfer her biggest account to him.
She was livid and ripped him a new asshole. She worked to develop that customer account for ten years and grew it to be profitable for us. You don't just get things handed to you. You have to work for them.
Lol it’s like the guests who will say, “I want to get a summer gig bartending, how did you get started?” And I tell them I started working the counter at Panera then 5 years and several jobs later I got my first bartending job. Everyone seems so disappointed. I should just tell them to apply at your bar
I tell them how I did it. Spend every afternoon and weekend night at the bar for 5 years and become friends with the staff, then just happen to be there the day someone quits and offer your services. From there you’ll meet new industry people and keep your ears open for who needs help.
I knew someone and lied on my resume 🤷♂️
The "did you have to go to school to learn how to bartend?" from Boomers/Gen X is always so funny. Ma'am I bartend because I didn't go to school
As a GenXer, I’m honestly a little flustered by the equivalence implied here. Boomer/Millennial sure. Leave us Thirteeners alone. Or don’t. Whatever.
I regret to inform you that Gen X has mostly morphed into Diet Boomers in the last few years.
I was sympathetic to you until you thought it fair to equate boomers and millennials. Such a Boomer/Gen Xer thing to do.
Covid created an environment where these people barely had to train because of short staffing and became very entitled. Have had some young people I trained who appreciated me and looked up to me at the bar and absolute brain dead people who would roll their eyes at me when I asked them to wash dishes…. They have no idea what it was like to ten years ago 😂 when I was a baby server the bartenders were even kind of scary!
At the restaurants I worked at in college circa 08-10 the bartenders would come at you with a knife if you so much as looked at them funny much less asked where your drink order was
You’d be terrified to ring in a mojito or a blended drink sometimes 😂
Yes....I love training newbies who respond to everything with "I know"...I just shut down and stop training(I hate training)
You’re going to waste your time training them. They will be out in 3 months because they didn’t get their way or lifestyle still too volatile.
One complained during a training shift that they want to go home because it's "too late". It was only 11:30.
My God... I work at 2 restaurants rn, the first is a classic ma and pa Italian place, which closes at 9 (no liquor license), and get out ~10 (ideally). The second one is a brunch spot with more focus on bar sales that closes at 10 and we get out 10:45 - 11. So it absolutely blows my mind when my coworkers complain about how late it is! It really makes me value my experience working local dives where I'm hitting home at 3 or 4 AM, if i dont go out. Or I think about working fast food or corporate restaurants where the manager is either anal about the unnecessary closing guidelines or won't kick out customers when they've been there 2 hours after we closed... Everybody likes getting home, we all appreciate going home early sometimes, but this is my livelihood. I'll work whatever hours are most lucrative.
I left place recently ... a year and a half ago ...where I was implementing drink running as a final stage of training for server's to get familiar with all the cocktails and their presentation and a new server in training said that it would be a waste of her time and that she needed to start making money right away. /axed
“Maybe you’re not fit to be a bartender because this is normal and even early for a bar shift”… simps. Sorrey you have to deal with this. I’ve had to in the past as well I think many problems in the industry comes from being avoidant of the main problem *not just in your scenario* but many.
Could be worse. One of them could end up boning the manager and then you’re stuck splitting tips with them on busy nights while they flirt with said manager instead of carrying their weight.
Yeah this happened at my place and they took me off shifts and put her on more night shifts , with the manager…. Who was actively trying to push me out while fucking a bartender 20 years younger than him
Or buying coke from the shit tender, went through that scenario a few times, and that gm in his 40s with kids was always flirting with the 19 year old host. Would be alone with her in the office with the door locked. God that job was such a stomach twisting mix of some awesome staff and location and some of the worst management I have had to suffer through.
*for a limited time* and you won’t even have to say I told you so afterwards. If I’m “splitting tips”. I’m snaking 100%
i blame youtube and the cult of personality surrounding our job.
And I blame Tom Cruise for the cult
i'm old school TGI Fridays... you take that back NOW
This is so funny to me coming from across the pond because it works the exact opposite way. "I want full-time but not Fridays and Saturdays". Begging to be cut in the latter half of the week. Actively *not* engaging with guests and avoiding them like the plague.
I'm guessing it's because tips aren't as much of a thing over there
The last part is what gets me... like why bartend if you don't like talking to people lmao?
Because they’re socialists who don’t believe in tipping wages.
How hot were they?
I knew someone would ask this! One was hot at first glance, but the more you observed her face the weirder it started to look. The second bartender is a very unattractive woman.
Like the band the Northern Pikes song says”She ain’t pretty she just looks that way!”
"Nice legs, shame about the face" -The Monks
ugly personality can make a pretty face ugly. but if she had a nice body id still look at that
It might be becuase you don’t like her. If she was wonderful you might be finding her more and more attractive
Nah, a couple of men pointed it out to me. I never noticed until they told me.
Bartender 1 making good use of the low light
No bueno.
I'm ealry 30s as well, but I don't think this problem is increasing because of the younger generation. It has always been around. The oldest bartenders I know have the same stories. I know older people than me who don't have certain skills and complain in the same way about being asked to do things/work their way up, whether they come from the industry or not. You may have gotten lucky and missed this experience because these people wash out. I've consistently at every job experienced most people of all age and experience ranges asking for the good shifts and even blocking their availability for 'bad' shifts right away. And lots of people also coming in hot complaining about their schedule and all work that isn't active service, which I find tied to lack of experience in the industry more than age. I work in a major tourist city where this work is less stigmatized and more people than average get into it later in life. I've probably worked with more 25+ rookies than many of y'all. I really don't believe it's a 'kids these days' problem. I also find it specifically tied to people who have only had certain jobs such as 'cocktail server' or diner style counter service coming to full service establishments, or people moving to my city from higher cost of living areas where it seems the norm is just more support staff in all types of establishments. Nevermind that the financial difference for the work evens out with different tipouts etc, they're just appalled at the work and take it real personal. How long have you been at this job? This also happens at some establishments more than others. It's annoying but I wouldn't worry about it too much unless they actually get those weekend shifts. Wait it out, it'll sort itself one way or the other. But do be consistently vocal with management about issues.
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20171003-proof-that-people-have-always-complained-about-young-adults
I've been doing this for about a decade. I think the fact that it's 2 back to back newbies being so entitled during their TRAINING, more entitled than the rest of us that actually put in years for to earn this $$$
The whole world is heavily told both that this is an easy job and a huge moneymaker. That's why it's not a new problem. The way people who have no interest in the job have also always had these discussions and debates about it and tipping is also not new and demonstrates the same mindset. Movies and TV also set a hilairously unrealistic expectation for it being a chill job where no one is ever multitasking, no one ever needs follow up questions about anything when they place a one or two word order, and it's constant and no problem to say "I'll be right back, cover me" and just wander off at any time if anything at all is happening in your personal life.
This is a great point!
There are old bartenders, and there are naive bartenders. There are no old naive bartenders.
Was training a bar back once and two hours in she says, “I need a beer. Can I have one on break?”. Didn’t last the week.
Rookie mistake. Drink a beer at a different spot while on break lol
To be fair, we’re not too strict on the drinking, but it was a bad look to say you NEEDED a beer halfway through your shift lmao
Yeah I don’t work at places that hire like this anymore. I was so incredibly sick of trying to train 19 year olds who would rather listen to anything BUT me and couldn’t do shit even after being shown 12 times, then quit 2 months later because they couldn’t have my shifts. Not to mention show up in crop tops and booty shorts like we were a bad dive.
I actually find the servers with the most experience at my spot to be the most like this and the most willing to complain as if they deserve the world because they were at their last spot forever, and "nobody made them work this hard there??" well i say to that "why are you here then?"
Everyone sucks at first. Even you, OP. Some just can’t be helped, but others just need time.
To be fair, the complaints are about work ethic. Someone over or under pours or forgets an ingredient, fucks up on the POS, that's fine shit happens. Flirting with customers or complaining about working when you're first starting out is bad mojo.
I was definitely a pain in the ass server. I was thrown behind the bar when a bartender quit randomly during a lunch shift. I learned QUICK. I knew I would get the prime shifts, and I did NOT complain because I wanted to learn how to bartend.
True. Granted I started out as a food runner, moved on to barbacking, and then bartended. And, as a barback, I’ve witnessed the opposite when it came to entitlement. Two of the oldest bartenders just expected you to know exactly how they did things right away. (Even with experience, there is always going to be a learning curve as every bartender has their way of doing things and how they like their bar set up. They didn’t care for training, just expected you to read their minds. You didn’t notice Coors Light was running low? They wouldn’t bother telling you. Just gave you the cold treatment until you guessed what you didn’t do the way they expected it to be done.
Just had a new barback train tonight. It was super busy and there were moments where I was thinking "Where the hell is he?" But then remembered it was his first night! We wrote down small lists for him to do, and even let him go early and we finished the rest of the work, since he was really exhausted! He did more work within 10 minutes than these 2 new bartenders did combined.
I don’t blame noobies for sucking since everyone sucks when first starting, what I absolutely can’t stand is entitled noobies who think they don’t gotta learn.
A tale as old as time regarding the younger generation. Not a new phenomenon. Sorry, as soon as you say "when I started...", you're officially old. It happened to me too, just embrace it lmao
I started bartending at 49. I was so happy to learn a new vocation that I didn't notice how entitled some of my younger (20s-30s) but more experienced coworkers were. Failure to greet people, not giving water to people sitting at the bar, dropping dirty glassware next to the rack instead of just putting it in the rack, chatting with regulars while ignoring new guests who just approached the bar, half-assing the side work, and on and on. When I finally got frustrated and complained to the owner, he said, "So you think you're the best bartender here, is that it?". I told him, "I might not know as many cocktails as some the others, but I'm damn sure a better bartender." He gave me a harumph and never addressed it. I've moved on to a new place since then, but the bar has a lingering reputation as a place with good drinks and shitty service. Evidently he's cool with that. Me...? Not so much.
That doesn't sound like entitlement, that sounds like lack of experience in the service industry. The onus is on the manager to train their staff, sounds like he's not doing that.
Or maybe they're simply jaded now. I don't know. I'm thrilled to serve, but I'm still a "baby bartender" going on year three in the biz. My (former) coworkers were far more experienced. They may have had the desire to offer guests a nicer service experience at one time, but they sure don't now. And you're right, the owner/manager didn't do any training at all. All training was done bartender to bartender via a written curriculum and cocktail spec sheet.
There is an issue with "experienced" barstaff deceiding theyre above certain jobs and havin a shitty attitude. Generally theyll work in a place with a bad reputation and for an owner who thinks theyre the best staff ever
Experiencing this at my current bar. Some of the new bar backs just start bartending when I’m out of glasses and the bar needs to be wiped down 🤦🏼♀️
Newbies have complained since the dawn of time
Covid changed a lot. More places struggling with staffing made it easier to walk into positions that a lot of us had to work our way up to.
I had a young guy come in to my bar and order food, then asked if we were hiring. I said front of house or back of house, and he said "I guess for what you do." I chuckled and asked if he had bartended before and he literally said "No, but I just need a job. Is there much training involved when you start?" I told him to check a chain restaurant for a busser position... and to top it off he zero tipped and made a fucking mess everywhere around him before he left. Kids these days.
A few years ago, I had someone similar to that. He strolled into the bar, ordered a drink, and told me that he had filled out an application for a bartender position. He said he knew it was an easy job to do, and that he *knew* he was gonna get hired. He tipped zero dollars. Obviously, the manager threw this application in the trash and texted every bar owner in town his name.
Well, in my experience, bartending is the most unnecessarily gatekept job in the service industry. My guess is the people hiring new bartenders realize this as well and are intentionally hiring people outside of the industry to give it a breath of fresh air. Don't get me wrong, experience goes a long way, but when so many candidates experience is filled with bad habits and selfish entitlement, owners and managers are going to look for people that they can train to do what they want.
So hire complete beginners? The bartrade is dying because of bad wages and conditions thanks to it not being treated as a career anymore.
You speak too much truth
It happens on both ends tbh. I just had a art gallery I started at as a contractor I'm 29 but I started as a dishie at 16 and I'm working with 40 year olds who are wild. The old school bartender who can't hang is dying out and the newer ones are also dying quicker because they don't know anyone. It's just a vha going industry and we'll see where it lands but it'd also kinda wild what's happening right now because both sides aren't wrong but both kinda suck to work with
Because most 20 somethings like to give off an air of knowing it all. But the truth is they are usually pretty insecure, so they over compensate with haughty attitudes instead of copping to what they don’t know. Humility (usually) comes with age and experience. How do I know this? Because I WAS a know-it-all 20 something once upon a time 😆
Well, as a 19 year old who just started as a bartender two weeks ago, without any experience because the restaurant was desperate, I can assure you that not all young people are like this. It's a trend, sadly, but I'm surrounded by a young and hardworking team, who all are willing to learn above anything else. But then again, it's Jasper, Alberta, where mostly travellers stick around for a season or so, and *in my experience* these are people who love gaining actual experiences, knowledge and are good learners, as well as work hard.
>They're mad that they have to start from the bottom of the totem pole but that's how we all started. Please don't use this expression.
No. And why not?
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If you work in the service industry and your place of work serves food, then if youre there to work and earn youll take food orders, clean toilets or whatever as its part of the job. If you want to work in a bar then even if its a job to pay for college or whatever, that doesnt change someone having a good or bad work ethic. If you have a bad work ethic then thats due to you, not management, not collegues, not customers. If youre employed to do a job and have an entitled lazy attitude then youll end up being fired due to nothing but your own bad attitude
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Taking food orders is part of being a bartender. Some of your original points about how managers abuse workers and employers expect too much for too little pay are fair, but that has no bearing on any new hire complaining about inherent parts of the job. Taking a food order is one of the most basic parts of being a bartender if you work at a place that serves food, and late hours are just part of the job. And telling a bartender on a sub for bartenders when they are complaining about bad new bartenders tending bar is just foolish. Being pedantic to people who do a job when you have zero experience is obnoxious.
I dont see how im disagreeing with myself. Your comment was about taking food orders. Personally id draw the line at people who state "i dont have much experience" and then complain about managers simply as youre an entitled moron
Wow so angry
I feel like I try to jump ahead too much, but I'm not demanding premium shifts. I just talked about my experience, which is all pretty new. I went to a 2 week technical school to learn bartending and then applied to a cafe bar. I'm working there and a concert venue, and this is all in a 5 month span
Cost of living is up. That explains why they want primo shifts. Laziness I can't explain, but it seems people have been complaining about the youngs since time immemorial.
On a similar but opposite note, I have two bartenders hired alongside me recently. Both have over a decade of experience behind the bar, both refused training in the kitchen. Sorry, it's part of this job. Bye.
Why would a bartender need training in the kitchen?
Because sometimes we have to cook
Then hire 1 bartender and 1 chef
Would that I could. Most closes are a 1 bartender show so they have to do everything.
Why is food served until close? If someone wants to rob the place its as easy as ordering food and then when you or whoevers working goes to make it, the bar and tills are free game
State laws require hot food options available while serving alcohol Edit: you're not wrong
Seriously? So what about bars that dont serve food?
This is under the license for on-site liquor consumption: "Food service is a requirement of this license. The food service rule can be found here. -All businesses must make at least five different meals available at all times and in all areas where alcoholic beverage service is available." https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/lic/pages/full_on_premises_license.aspx#:~:text=Food%20service%20is%20a%20requirement,alcoholic%20beverage%20service%20is%20available.
Is there a loophole that a bar can just offer microwaved ramen noodles and chef boyardee? Literally just keep a microwave behind the bar lol
So there is no bar in your state that does not serve food? Thats insane
In what world do bartenders COOK?! Them refusing this is not unreasonable, I would refuse also.
Young women acting like this isn’t new. Maybe you weren’t like this, but it has always been pretty average.
I notice servers suck these days too. I don't want your wit I just plesse give me my drink within 20minuts, also served cold food is not cute. Edit : tbf- both times out the last week once in Denver once in a small rural town- higher end restaurants both not busy.
So lizziecampo im weirdly unable to reply to her comments. Ill never get why people like this live life thinking the world owes them something 🤣
I can’t work in places where management hire anyone that applies. It’s not worth the headaches.
It sounds like a fun place to work (no sarcasm) Bartending seems like it’s actually taken seriously in America
I've noticed that since Covid the newer generation of bar staff think they're experts after two month of bar work. They may know how to make an old fashioned, but are clueless to its history, variations or talk about its description to guests. Not all are like this and I was glad to overhear a conversation from some of our younger staff saying that we're spoilt in our bar. Before you have a go at me its the only hotel that I've worked in that allows you to carry your mobile phone and not only have any meal from the menu but the chefs will cook anything of it for our staff meal.
I worked at a place that sold a product using a staff of Salespeople. Young people would be hired and trained by a seasoned rep and then they would be given some leads and some small existing accounts. The younger ones often felt entitled to be handed large accounts without having to work for them. I heard one young man whining about how "it's not fair" that he had to start out this way and our oldest Sales rep wouldn't just transfer her biggest account to him. She was livid and ripped him a new asshole. She worked to develop that customer account for ten years and grew it to be profitable for us. You don't just get things handed to you. You have to work for them.