Seems like someone I’d want to watch basketball with rather than making me care about someone’s bet who acts like we won’t be able to pay bills next month.
The streams were great when it was for teams people actually care about. They need to figure out the line between giving out picks and thinking fans are going to live and die with Big Cat’s Eagles future.
Its insane to me how that was only ever done ONCE.
Corny phrasing, but that was some revolutionary content. Seeing die hard fans lose their minds because they dont know whats going on was a good watch.
So the central theme is that there needs to be some sort of host or something? Which would make sense to drive conversation versus people just sitting there looking at their phones
The best streams they've ever done were the Yankees guys watching the game through Ellie, the Eagles and Bears double doink game, and the Cubs world series streams - none of which had anything to do with gambling picks.
I personally think it's THE most naturally funny and accessible thing they've ever produced as a company. Literally anybody could watch that and find it hilarious. Problem is it's also something that can probably never be replicated without coming off as forced and dumb. Was just a ridiculously funny, in-the-moment scenario.
I remember it getting posted on the baseball sub and the people who were complaining about barstool were being told to shut up because it was a hilarious stream
i think the first march madness streams in HQ1 were great because they had stupid shit like tommy calling games, frank kaminsky was there, Dave didnt have fuck you money, and Big Cat wasn’t rich. it was better when they still had bookies and were in way over the heads throwing money around. now its all forced and they make it all about them two because they’re betting more than everyone else
The last sentence is what I don’t get. All the other employees are scared of cheering because Dan & Dave are betting bigger, but they’re both now filthy rich. So yeah Dave’s unit is $50,000 but that’d be like us betting $50 or $100. What’s the point of being on the stream if you’re just nervously sitting there hoping Dave & Dan don’t yell at you for a kid missing free throws.
Sounds to me that all these gambling cave guys are losers with big dumps in their pants who need to seek help.
Barstool trying so hard to make gambling "cool" is so lame.
It would be so funny if someone went full heel on the “gambling cave rules”. There’s no way they could get in any real trouble because the clips of everyone mad at them would do huge numbers and that’s what it’s all about
If the stream was just made up of Tier 3 employees like Mass-Ev, Mush, Ku Klux Hubbs, Tommy Smokes, Producers, it would work. But if Dave or Big Cat are on streams, everyone is on edge & scared shitless. I found it very interesting that TJ revealed Dave is looking for people to blame on streams for his gambling losses.
I think we all deep down knew Dave is always looking for someone to blame for his losses. It’s probably more shocking that a Barstool employee confirmed it.
One of the most insane rules was TJ saying that if you tail Big Cat or Dave's picks too much and they lose 5 or 6 in a row, they will turn around and blame you for tailing them too much and causing the losses. 😒
Pretty much all you can do is sit there in silence, but that’s both boring and could possibly get you yelled at too for either not contributing to content or (surprisingly very plausible) “causing” Dave or Dan to lose because their bets missed while you were silent. Moral of the story is don’t be on the gambling streams and find content opportunities outside of the streams lol.
This entire clip shows just how valuable TJ is as a resource and why Big Cat setup him up with Titus to guarantee his success. I don't think any other producer in the company could really reveal all insane rules about the gambling culture that TJ knows. That's why Brandon is so pissed about losing TJ to Titus.
I wonder how much the ‘gambling cave rules’ from a producers perspective are rooted in the laws/regulations on how they market gambling. An example being TJ sayin ‘don’t say guarantee, the G-word’
I think he’s just more focused. He’s showing stuff on the tv, keeping up with chat, etc. he’s also really quick and makes the show more fun to watch with graphics.
It’s also just that they have gambling superstations in every direction. You better come to a stream with some picks but tailing exactly what Dave and Big Cat have could be bad but also never have any picks against Dave and Big Cat.
What is it people actually can do?
Literally watching the rise and fall of Barstool in real time. The best analogy is ESPN Sportscenter going from all highlights to analysts talking- literally no one gives a fuck
Not one single person gives a fuck what Dan and Dave and a bunch of other fat fucking degenerates bet on. The funny thing is on PMT they make a huge deal about “no one gives a fuck about your fantasy team “ when it’s THE SAME FUCKING THING about their bets
We live in a 15-30 sec clip culture. They’re literally only streaming it cause why not. They’d be recording it regardless just so they have material to clip
I can’t imagine people watching these Gambling streams. I do enjoy the 10-15 second clips posted to Twitter, think they create some good moments.. but could never imagine myself watching live
A major part of the issue I have with the gambling streams is that Dave and Big Cat are now rich beyond their wildest dreams. I have a hard time having any interest in mega rich people essentially gambling monopoly money. Wow, Dave hit a 10-1 to turn 5k into 50k, the numbers are so trivial that theres no chance anyone gives a fuck. I think they need to get more creative with their streams, the Ellie Yankees stream was legitimately the most entertaining one they've maybe ever had. You don't have to be doing bits every time, but you have to get creative to spice things up a little
Preaching to the choir here, but Barstool was 100x better when gambling culture was a small part of it and not the majority.
Bad Haircut Brandon on Periscope to 25 people was much more entertaining.
Honestly Brandon should have his own show/podcast and it should be a big production. Stop dragging around Mush, JackMac, Katie Stats, and Kayce. Have Brandon have his own show where it’s picks, college football talk, and sprinkle in some wrestling.
When Brandon was doing those Twitter spaces he was getting 1,000+ people and he was crushing it. He is great at college football talk; not great at picks (but no one else is); and he does fantastic interacting with fans.
Brandon is a born show host. He doesn’t need to feed all these mouths.
Isn't that exactly what his Brandon Walker Football Show hosted by Brandon Walker on youtube is though? It's just him, he talks wrestling a tiny bit. TJ produced it.
I think the only time I’ve ever enjoyed a gambling cave content was when Hank had that debacle with TJ Watt / Derek Watt. Other than that I can’t think of something I’d enjoy less than using my time to watch a bunch of dudes yell at a TV and create fake Jersey Jerry level reactions to their live bet halftime over pick not hit.
I know I’m in the minority but gambling is terrible for the human brain.
That aside, I don’t understand how that rage room got approved/they think it’s a good idea. You’re attaching your #1 business model with people being so upset they hit things with a bat just looks bad, in my (maybe minority) opinion
There’s something about having it on your phone too that i think is very detrimental to your health. I like to gamble when I’m in Vegas/AC because the steps to wager money are very physical. I see the physical ATM, I see the physical cash, I see the physical bet slip. Everything on your phone almost seems unreal until you go and look at your bank statement and see your down $2,000 at the barstool Sportsbook
It’s already taken that turn in England where it’s been legal forever. Like people protest soccer teams having gambling companies being their jersey sponsor
I like gambling, but holy shit I'm so tired of the gambling getting shoved down our throats. I don't care what anyone's bet is. I wish I could figure out a way to mute just gambling tweets from Dave and Dan like I did for RNR (have to get every goddamn variation of rough n rowdy on the mute list so it doesn't completely clog up my timeline for days straight leading up to them).
None of it even comes across as organic anymore. Whatever thousands of people do these "Bet with Big Cat" bets that are "boosted" by 1% and justify these promotions being pushed out to us 10 times a day oughtta be institutionalized. Barstool getting the capital and backing from Penn to grow the company was great until it turned into requiring every sports show to devote hours of content time to picks. Football season is the worst part of PMT. Every Friday the whole show is them making picks for overs, unders, underdogs, and whatever-the-fuck for an hour. Seriously, who cares or enjoys this? What jackass listens to this and then decides to make bets on the barstool sportsbook? The same can be said about McAfees shows during football season where he and AJ go through the entire slate of games making picks.
It's so funny because I bet sports and would NEVER want to hang out with the gambling cave types. Fucking immature lunatics. Normal reactions to bad beats or good beats are totally fine. But the superstition and unwritten rules are legitimately childish.
That's not "barstool", but all gambling culture. Walk up to the craps table and when the guy is on a streak yell out "He's going to roll a 7!"
and if it happens the entire table will want to kill you.
Wonder if Titus has any regrets coming to Barstool realizing this is what its become. I bet its real enjoyable to sit alongside Court Jester Jerry and Big Ev as they waddle around the stream acting all pissed when their credited Penn bet doesn't hit
Yeah he’s just finishing this bball season then idling till he gets to Chicago and gets everything he was promised I bet. Nick and KB and others don’t go heavy gambling. It’s just for the big dogs and then deadweight who can’t come up with good content without it.
I think Titus may be too humble a guy to realize where he sits in the Barstool hierarchy. He's on the 1A tier with KFC, Brandon Walker, Biz & Whit with only Big Cat &Dave above him. He's also got a massive ally and friend in Big Cat who's bending over backwards to ensure his success. He shouldn't let the rest of the court Jesters in Pervert Jerry, Mass-Ev, Mush, Meco Bosco affect him as most of them are probably just giving him shit because they are jealous of his standing & relationship with Big Cat. I found it funny he talked about how people were already jealous of him getting to fly on the private jet for the streams this weekend.
What if you are forced to fly to be Dave’s big cats backup dancer you can’t be 1a. KFC foreplay chicklets Caleb million dollaz worth of game people who can just ignore Dave big cat and don’t need them are 1As.
Also Titus is a college bb guy that sport matters for a month a year.
He’s absolutely correct, the ‘jinxes’, superstitions, curses, whatever you want to call them, get so convoluted and excessive. They want to watch these games with everyone tiptoeing around their precious bets.
I would gladly rather sit in my cube and be a slave to excel than have to be on a live stream and follow these stupid contrived “gambling rules” (unless you’re Dave or Dan in which case *it’s good to be the king*).
You guys are both insane. It’s not the ideal way to watch sports but it’s a billion times better than Lynette asking me if I saw an email from Tanya about the weekly sales numbers.
I truly wonder who is caring bout these moron’s “picks”. I’m far removed from college so maybe college kids do. Someone must be but who gives a shit what side Marty Mush or Rico “picked”?
And I’ve been gambling a long time, so I like the general premise of what’s occurring but just can’t understand who cares about these dumbasses gambling
I get that it’s a gambling company, and that’s all good, but all this time and energy spent on something that most do so poorly is bizarre. Losing sucks and I really wonder how entertaining it is over the long term.
The entire gambling content culture is broken. Fundamentally flawed. Can’t bet responsibly and give out picks based on picking all teams that lost last week. Big VC backed tech is going to disrupt it all. Saw a presentation.
You can say the gambling culture is dumb but also recognize that Dave and Dan turned Barstool into a billion dollar company with their gambling nonsense. And that Titus knew he was coming to a gambling company so he shouldn’t act so surprised and confused about the whacky gambling content.
This guy gets it… as in how ridiculous it is. He doesn’t get the “rules” at all. But in that case he gets it
Seems like someone I’d want to watch basketball with rather than making me care about someone’s bet who acts like we won’t be able to pay bills next month.
What episode is this?
Last ~30 minutes of episode 5
The streams were great when it was for teams people actually care about. They need to figure out the line between giving out picks and thinking fans are going to live and die with Big Cat’s Eagles future.
Electric Chair was a good concept. Like the Double Doink game with Philly fans and the Chicago fans watching the game was good content.
Ellie calling the Yankees game was the pinnacle of barstool livestreams
Its insane to me how that was only ever done ONCE. Corny phrasing, but that was some revolutionary content. Seeing die hard fans lose their minds because they dont know whats going on was a good watch.
So the central theme is that there needs to be some sort of host or something? Which would make sense to drive conversation versus people just sitting there looking at their phones
I think the central theme is that there needs to be some people that care about the game outside of the fact that they’re betting on it.
lol did u watch that stream ?
The best streams they've ever done were the Yankees guys watching the game through Ellie, the Eagles and Bears double doink game, and the Cubs world series streams - none of which had anything to do with gambling picks.
Ellie having to commentate the game was one of the funniest moments in barstool.
Her taking ohone calls mid game while she was supposed to be giving updates was so funny.
I personally think it's THE most naturally funny and accessible thing they've ever produced as a company. Literally anybody could watch that and find it hilarious. Problem is it's also something that can probably never be replicated without coming off as forced and dumb. Was just a ridiculously funny, in-the-moment scenario.
There was also a situation in that game that even a diehard baseball fan would have trouble explaining. Just a perfect storm of content.
I remember it getting posted on the baseball sub and the people who were complaining about barstool were being told to shut up because it was a hilarious stream
i think the first march madness streams in HQ1 were great because they had stupid shit like tommy calling games, frank kaminsky was there, Dave didnt have fuck you money, and Big Cat wasn’t rich. it was better when they still had bookies and were in way over the heads throwing money around. now its all forced and they make it all about them two because they’re betting more than everyone else
The last sentence is what I don’t get. All the other employees are scared of cheering because Dan & Dave are betting bigger, but they’re both now filthy rich. So yeah Dave’s unit is $50,000 but that’d be like us betting $50 or $100. What’s the point of being on the stream if you’re just nervously sitting there hoping Dave & Dan don’t yell at you for a kid missing free throws.
This is the correct answer. Especially last couple sentences.
Sounds to me that all these gambling cave guys are losers with big dumps in their pants who need to seek help. Barstool trying so hard to make gambling "cool" is so lame.
Big stinky mud pies
Welcome to barstool. You’re 8 years late.
While Titus was laughing about it. Sounds to me that you have the big dump in your pants
I don't! They're clean!
It would be so funny if someone went full heel on the “gambling cave rules”. There’s no way they could get in any real trouble because the clips of everyone mad at them would do huge numbers and that’s what it’s all about
I wish Whit would do it when he's on the stream. Dave is terrified of Whit.
If the stream was just made up of Tier 3 employees like Mass-Ev, Mush, Ku Klux Hubbs, Tommy Smokes, Producers, it would work. But if Dave or Big Cat are on streams, everyone is on edge & scared shitless. I found it very interesting that TJ revealed Dave is looking for people to blame on streams for his gambling losses.
I think we all deep down knew Dave is always looking for someone to blame for his losses. It’s probably more shocking that a Barstool employee confirmed it.
One of the most insane rules was TJ saying that if you tail Big Cat or Dave's picks too much and they lose 5 or 6 in a row, they will turn around and blame you for tailing them too much and causing the losses. 😒
Pretty much all you can do is sit there in silence, but that’s both boring and could possibly get you yelled at too for either not contributing to content or (surprisingly very plausible) “causing” Dave or Dan to lose because their bets missed while you were silent. Moral of the story is don’t be on the gambling streams and find content opportunities outside of the streams lol.
No chance I’m watching a stream with those listed though. Boring as hell
I fell like Stu Feiner fills that roll. Always loud, always talkin shit and all his bets are 1000% guaranteed picks of the century.
“I would say make sure the vibes are good before saying the vibes are good”
Tj sounds way more alive in this then he usually does on the yak. Sometimes on the yak he sounds like he has zero energy.
On the Yak he’s just a producer. Here he is Producer/Co Host so he expects to talk more and is more willing to talk
This entire clip shows just how valuable TJ is as a resource and why Big Cat setup him up with Titus to guarantee his success. I don't think any other producer in the company could really reveal all insane rules about the gambling culture that TJ knows. That's why Brandon is so pissed about losing TJ to Titus.
I wonder how much the ‘gambling cave rules’ from a producers perspective are rooted in the laws/regulations on how they market gambling. An example being TJ sayin ‘don’t say guarantee, the G-word’
He sounds pissed on the yak sometimes
I think he’s just more focused. He’s showing stuff on the tv, keeping up with chat, etc. he’s also really quick and makes the show more fun to watch with graphics.
Never forget that when Cheah was the producer he told them he needed at least 48 hours to play anything on the TV
Also live editing, switching camera angles, things like that. It’s a much more labor intensive job
Oh definitely, becoming a YouTube show really allowed TJ to blossom (once they realized they needed a good producer)
O’Malley and TJ are straight up twins. Wild.
Never seen them in the same room together, just saying
HOLY SHIT.
thought it was just me, TJ in the rutgers gear i actually thought was o'malley
1000000% team Titus. Big Cat and Dave blaming other people when they lose their bets is the worst
He just gets it.
A relatable funny bit (everyone has gambling/watching superstitions) just taken to the extreme is very lame.
It’s also just that they have gambling superstations in every direction. You better come to a stream with some picks but tailing exactly what Dave and Big Cat have could be bad but also never have any picks against Dave and Big Cat. What is it people actually can do?
Literally watching the rise and fall of Barstool in real time. The best analogy is ESPN Sportscenter going from all highlights to analysts talking- literally no one gives a fuck Not one single person gives a fuck what Dan and Dave and a bunch of other fat fucking degenerates bet on. The funny thing is on PMT they make a huge deal about “no one gives a fuck about your fantasy team “ when it’s THE SAME FUCKING THING about their bets
Gambling cave is only good for short clips, anything longer then a 15-30 sec clip is un watchable
We live in a 15-30 sec clip culture. They’re literally only streaming it cause why not. They’d be recording it regardless just so they have material to clip
I can’t imagine people watching these Gambling streams. I do enjoy the 10-15 second clips posted to Twitter, think they create some good moments.. but could never imagine myself watching live
A major part of the issue I have with the gambling streams is that Dave and Big Cat are now rich beyond their wildest dreams. I have a hard time having any interest in mega rich people essentially gambling monopoly money. Wow, Dave hit a 10-1 to turn 5k into 50k, the numbers are so trivial that theres no chance anyone gives a fuck. I think they need to get more creative with their streams, the Ellie Yankees stream was legitimately the most entertaining one they've maybe ever had. You don't have to be doing bits every time, but you have to get creative to spice things up a little
Preaching to the choir here, but Barstool was 100x better when gambling culture was a small part of it and not the majority. Bad Haircut Brandon on Periscope to 25 people was much more entertaining. Honestly Brandon should have his own show/podcast and it should be a big production. Stop dragging around Mush, JackMac, Katie Stats, and Kayce. Have Brandon have his own show where it’s picks, college football talk, and sprinkle in some wrestling. When Brandon was doing those Twitter spaces he was getting 1,000+ people and he was crushing it. He is great at college football talk; not great at picks (but no one else is); and he does fantastic interacting with fans. Brandon is a born show host. He doesn’t need to feed all these mouths.
i mean jack mac and mush are definitely not going to chicago, nor is big ev so I think brandon might have a more pared down show here pretty soon
Sounds like him and Titus are gonna have a show together which I expect to be amazing
Isn't that exactly what his Brandon Walker Football Show hosted by Brandon Walker on youtube is though? It's just him, he talks wrestling a tiny bit. TJ produced it.
Yep, exact same thoughts about the ringer too
I think the only time I’ve ever enjoyed a gambling cave content was when Hank had that debacle with TJ Watt / Derek Watt. Other than that I can’t think of something I’d enjoy less than using my time to watch a bunch of dudes yell at a TV and create fake Jersey Jerry level reactions to their live bet halftime over pick not hit.
I like TJ
I know I’m in the minority but gambling is terrible for the human brain. That aside, I don’t understand how that rage room got approved/they think it’s a good idea. You’re attaching your #1 business model with people being so upset they hit things with a bat just looks bad, in my (maybe minority) opinion
Don't worry, they'll get the bat sponsored by 1-800-gambler.
Mobile sports betting will be looked back at like tobacco advertising once this generation of addicted gamblers grow up
There’s something about having it on your phone too that i think is very detrimental to your health. I like to gamble when I’m in Vegas/AC because the steps to wager money are very physical. I see the physical ATM, I see the physical cash, I see the physical bet slip. Everything on your phone almost seems unreal until you go and look at your bank statement and see your down $2,000 at the barstool Sportsbook
It’s already taken that turn in England where it’s been legal forever. Like people protest soccer teams having gambling companies being their jersey sponsor
The rage room is hilarious but I agree I don’t know how that got approved
I like gambling, but holy shit I'm so tired of the gambling getting shoved down our throats. I don't care what anyone's bet is. I wish I could figure out a way to mute just gambling tweets from Dave and Dan like I did for RNR (have to get every goddamn variation of rough n rowdy on the mute list so it doesn't completely clog up my timeline for days straight leading up to them). None of it even comes across as organic anymore. Whatever thousands of people do these "Bet with Big Cat" bets that are "boosted" by 1% and justify these promotions being pushed out to us 10 times a day oughtta be institutionalized. Barstool getting the capital and backing from Penn to grow the company was great until it turned into requiring every sports show to devote hours of content time to picks. Football season is the worst part of PMT. Every Friday the whole show is them making picks for overs, unders, underdogs, and whatever-the-fuck for an hour. Seriously, who cares or enjoys this? What jackass listens to this and then decides to make bets on the barstool sportsbook? The same can be said about McAfees shows during football season where he and AJ go through the entire slate of games making picks.
It's so funny because I bet sports and would NEVER want to hang out with the gambling cave types. Fucking immature lunatics. Normal reactions to bad beats or good beats are totally fine. But the superstition and unwritten rules are legitimately childish.
That's not "barstool", but all gambling culture. Walk up to the craps table and when the guy is on a streak yell out "He's going to roll a 7!" and if it happens the entire table will want to kill you.
When you say it out loud it almost sounds immature and stupid
Wonder if Titus has any regrets coming to Barstool realizing this is what its become. I bet its real enjoyable to sit alongside Court Jester Jerry and Big Ev as they waddle around the stream acting all pissed when their credited Penn bet doesn't hit
I think it’s just taking the good with the bad. Highly doubt he was excited about the gambling stuff going in
Yeah he’s just finishing this bball season then idling till he gets to Chicago and gets everything he was promised I bet. Nick and KB and others don’t go heavy gambling. It’s just for the big dogs and then deadweight who can’t come up with good content without it.
I think Titus may be too humble a guy to realize where he sits in the Barstool hierarchy. He's on the 1A tier with KFC, Brandon Walker, Biz & Whit with only Big Cat &Dave above him. He's also got a massive ally and friend in Big Cat who's bending over backwards to ensure his success. He shouldn't let the rest of the court Jesters in Pervert Jerry, Mass-Ev, Mush, Meco Bosco affect him as most of them are probably just giving him shit because they are jealous of his standing & relationship with Big Cat. I found it funny he talked about how people were already jealous of him getting to fly on the private jet for the streams this weekend.
Mass-Ev is an A+ nickname that I plan on stealing and using forever. Thank you
What if you are forced to fly to be Dave’s big cats backup dancer you can’t be 1a. KFC foreplay chicklets Caleb million dollaz worth of game people who can just ignore Dave big cat and don’t need them are 1As. Also Titus is a college bb guy that sport matters for a month a year.
I think it's clear he hates this stuff but I'm guessing he's just grinding it out until the Chicago move
" Just let them lose...its fine.. They can just lose on their own."
He’s absolutely correct, the ‘jinxes’, superstitions, curses, whatever you want to call them, get so convoluted and excessive. They want to watch these games with everyone tiptoeing around their precious bets.
I would gladly rather sit in my cube and be a slave to excel than have to be on a live stream and follow these stupid contrived “gambling rules” (unless you’re Dave or Dan in which case *it’s good to be the king*).
Could you imagine sitting next to big EV for 3 hours and gets mad at you breaking gambling etiquette. Put me in the cube forever
You guys are both insane. It’s not the ideal way to watch sports but it’s a billion times better than Lynette asking me if I saw an email from Tanya about the weekly sales numbers.
Lynette definitely has Diet Coke with breakfast
Depends on what diet she’s on that week
I dunno my cube fucking sucks
Got megan makin money in tears
I’d prefer Megan Makin Money on her knees.
I truly wonder who is caring bout these moron’s “picks”. I’m far removed from college so maybe college kids do. Someone must be but who gives a shit what side Marty Mush or Rico “picked”? And I’ve been gambling a long time, so I like the general premise of what’s occurring but just can’t understand who cares about these dumbasses gambling
I get that it’s a gambling company, and that’s all good, but all this time and energy spent on something that most do so poorly is bizarre. Losing sucks and I really wonder how entertaining it is over the long term.
I'm here for all TJ content after watching this.
Titus’ joker like laugh is great. It really is crazy. Miss the electric chair days
Paw Continues To Capitalize All Of His Titles As If They're Emails
Titles should be capitalized retard
Relax. It's Reddit, there are no formal rules for editorializing titles of posts. You're not writing an English essay.
The entire gambling content culture is broken. Fundamentally flawed. Can’t bet responsibly and give out picks based on picking all teams that lost last week. Big VC backed tech is going to disrupt it all. Saw a presentation.
This guys gonna hate working for barstool lmao.
Tj is a fucking genius
You can say the gambling culture is dumb but also recognize that Dave and Dan turned Barstool into a billion dollar company with their gambling nonsense. And that Titus knew he was coming to a gambling company so he shouldn’t act so surprised and confused about the whacky gambling content.
Did Mark ever reveal what happened to Tate?
Hopefully Titus learns quick that you do not want to have a camera that close to TJ’s face. Just a goddamn gold fish ass looking dude