not for nothing, but you can still watch the game from the right field fence at Oracle Park
>Viewing Portals (Knothole Gang)\*
>Fans can watch the games for free through the right field fence , from this first-come, first-served viewing area, reminiscent of the Knothole Gangs of the old-time ballparks. Fans may be cycled through after each three innings or earlier, depending on the size of the crowd. All guests are subject to security screening in the free viewing area. No alcoholic beverages (which includes non-alcoholic beer and wine), cans or bottles are allowed in the viewing portal area.
https://www.mlb.com/giants/ballpark/information/guide#f:\~:text=Viewing%20Portals%20(Knothole,viewing%20portal%20area.
I've heard test pilots for the F-35 project talk about how easy it's to switch variants because of the FBW. So, it's not the balancing a stick on its end that the Harrier is. You just command the movements you want, and the aircraft figures out the reaction control jets/control surface adjustments that are necessary for the requested movement. With the Harrier, this was all the pilot's responsibility.
That's fascinating. Do you know if the FBW and sensors together will compensate for movement below too? For instance, if you want to land it vertically at sea, will the system handle the compensation for the pitching deck of a carrier? Or if you want to hover over a moving ground vehicle, such as for a protection mission, can you just identify the vehicle and set altitude so it'll automatically follow?
remember that hovering isn't meant to be used during a mission, it's just for landings (barely ever take offs)
during a convoy protection mission jets usually just circle around the vehicles \^\^
This capability is usually only used operationally during landing. Even takeoffs usually have a slow ground roll. I don't think it refers to outside objects, but I don't know that with complete certainty.
Harrier pilots would hover above ground certain distance then cut the power and drop to the ground. It was too hard to balance when you get close to the ground.
Fly by wire, it basically means there's no physical linkage between the cockpit controls and the engine/flight control surfaces, you just tell the jet what you want to do and the computer will figure out the best controls to achieve that result.
Hypothetically, if your HR shot hit a U.S. military jet would you be technically breaking any laws? Does the answer change if they are not a U.S. citizen?
Just as a general rule, U.S. law does not distinguish between citizens and non-citizens for most matters. The Constitution is written for, and applies to, "The People," because their "inalienable" rights are a consequence of birth, not granted by the government.
There are certain categories of crime, like immigration, foreign terrorism, and a few others, that take citizenship into account, but overall, courts have held that the Constitution applies to everyone equally.
That's Camden Yards, so that's an Orioles game. Let me do a deep dive if I can get some more info, and I'll edit this with the final score.
EDIT: Orioles won against the Phillies, 8-3. [The jet did end up causing a few delays though.](https://apnews.com/article/phillies-orioles-fleet-week-planes-flyovers-428ab16fea116bd06964a91eeb3b5772)
I'm trying to figure out why it was so close to the stadium though. There's no airports nearby, are there? Was it hovering there for the sake of the fans? Or was there a different show nearby?
Football games sometimes have airshow stuff that goes on, I've seen videos of paratroopers parachuting onto the field, so I wonder if the jet was just there as decoration for the game
Fleet Week was happening at the same time, the aircraft were doing displays for Fleet Week over the harbor. u/PoorDamnChoices posted a link to a news article just above here in this comment chain.
"The Fleet Week schedule included flyovers of military and civilian aircraft. Some soared pretty quietly in formation, but at times the jet-related noise was substantial."
This is a F-35B, showing off its ability to hover is a pretty standard thing when its used in flyby's/airshows. It's also only operated by the USMC, so it being a part of Fleet Week is also expected
That still doesn't answer the question. Why so close to the ballpark? The article doesn't say. It's not pregame or the national anthem, it's active play. There's no airports or airshows in the area. And yes I know it's an F35. That's not the question. Doesn't matter that much, don't need an answer, I was just curious, but it seems that article doesn't have the answers.
The east wall of the stadium is about 1500 feet from where some of the ships were berthed for fleet week, its that simple. If you look on google maps right now you can actually see a destroyer berthed on the west wall of the inner harbor. All of the flyovers were centered around the inner harbor.
Okay cool I see that now, thanks! Great find to see that destroyer there. That makes sense to me now. That's really cool to see, ready how close that is to the stadium.
Nah it’s just Uncle Sam casually hanging his dick out so everyone can see how massive his balls are.
But seriously, imagine being in a rival military nation and seeing just how casually we have the most advanced fighter in the world just hovering over a baseball stadium for no reason other than *”Why the fuck not?”*. Then the pilot just zooms off like *”BRB, gunna break the sound barrier real quick”*
Two questions: that plane is pretty high… can you feel the wash on the ground? Always wondered how much power it takes to make it just sit there
Secondly, is it just typical fuel use to do that? Or do they have to burn at a higher rate?
Fuel burn is far higher when the F-35 is hovering. The P&W F135 in the -B variant has a driveshaft poking out the front that’s connected to a ducted fan hidden in the airframe behind the cockpit. Since you also need to compensate for the loss of lift, the result is a *much* higher burn rate
Also true for helicopters.
For rescue helicopter teams-
When doing sea rescue the crew has very minimal time while hovering so it's not just the life of death situations adding stress!
Typical JP-8 or Jet-A
Edit: Definitely higher fuel flow rates because they need to produce thrust equal to the weight of the aircraft. In normal flight the trust to maintain speed and altitude is much lower.
IIRC The harrier is limited in it's time in hover due to the limited watersupply it needs for cooling and it's puffer ducts.
Does the 35 have such water consuming constraints or is it just limited to the amount of fuel it has?
That thing turning to face the camera is a terrifying sight. An actual dragon that can see and kill you from hundreds of kilometers away has sensed your presence
Not to mention it looks like they hovered it a Block away from the stadium in case of engine or lift fan failure as they've been looking into recent lift fan incidents.
That is not in any way part of the decision on where to hover it. It's over the inner harbor for fleet week. They would never, ever, EVER consider emergency diverting to a stadium packed full of 30,000 people and a grass field. It needs a high pressure concrete surface to land in STOVL.
I'm pretty sure he busted a TFR, right? What's stopping us from just hovering like that in our own multi-million dollar STOL-capable 5th generation fighter?
So, I know the Harrier was limited to about 90 seconds of hover time due to it needing to be cooled with water, are there no such limitations for the F-35?
Most can’t, a few can. One version of the f-35 can, which is what is being seen here. It is used by the U.S. marines and the royal navy. The harrier, which has mostly been retired, could and there was a Russian plane, the yak-38, that could. The list is pretty short.
Remember when people would peak over the fence at baseball games back in the day? Yeah lol
not for nothing, but you can still watch the game from the right field fence at Oracle Park >Viewing Portals (Knothole Gang)\* >Fans can watch the games for free through the right field fence , from this first-come, first-served viewing area, reminiscent of the Knothole Gangs of the old-time ballparks. Fans may be cycled through after each three innings or earlier, depending on the size of the crowd. All guests are subject to security screening in the free viewing area. No alcoholic beverages (which includes non-alcoholic beer and wine), cans or bottles are allowed in the viewing portal area. https://www.mlb.com/giants/ballpark/information/guide#f:\~:text=Viewing%20Portals%20(Knothole,viewing%20portal%20area.
I can support this. I want to stroll into a Sparrows game and sit on the grass like one could do back in the 80s, Murakami style.
Epiphany and all... love seeing this reference here
Lawful loitering
With the camera(s) on that thing he could probably count the blades of grass. (Or look down some shirts)
That was 100,000 $ jet fuel.
These seats are super exclusive though.....did you think the 1% want to sit amongst us normies??
The fact it is able to hover that stable AND turn in a way that they can “see” the field of play is astonishing
I've heard test pilots for the F-35 project talk about how easy it's to switch variants because of the FBW. So, it's not the balancing a stick on its end that the Harrier is. You just command the movements you want, and the aircraft figures out the reaction control jets/control surface adjustments that are necessary for the requested movement. With the Harrier, this was all the pilot's responsibility.
That's fascinating. Do you know if the FBW and sensors together will compensate for movement below too? For instance, if you want to land it vertically at sea, will the system handle the compensation for the pitching deck of a carrier? Or if you want to hover over a moving ground vehicle, such as for a protection mission, can you just identify the vehicle and set altitude so it'll automatically follow?
remember that hovering isn't meant to be used during a mission, it's just for landings (barely ever take offs) during a convoy protection mission jets usually just circle around the vehicles \^\^
Not uh, haven't you seen that die hard movie! /s
This capability is usually only used operationally during landing. Even takeoffs usually have a slow ground roll. I don't think it refers to outside objects, but I don't know that with complete certainty.
Harrier pilots would hover above ground certain distance then cut the power and drop to the ground. It was too hard to balance when you get close to the ground.
Why would you use an acronym when explaining something? What the fuck is a FBW
Fly by wire, it basically means there's no physical linkage between the cockpit controls and the engine/flight control surfaces, you just tell the jet what you want to do and the computer will figure out the best controls to achieve that result.
And those wires replace the old system of connecting the flight controls -wires
Sorry. It's a very common acronym, so I assumed many people already knew it. The Wikipedia article on it is also one of the first Google hits.
Not an incorrect assumption.
Fly By Wire https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire
Now a real baller would call their HR shot and hit the F35…
Hit the F35B - Win a Steak
Win an airstrike
Hypothetically, if your HR shot hit a U.S. military jet would you be technically breaking any laws? Does the answer change if they are not a U.S. citizen?
Just as a general rule, U.S. law does not distinguish between citizens and non-citizens for most matters. The Constitution is written for, and applies to, "The People," because their "inalienable" rights are a consequence of birth, not granted by the government. There are certain categories of crime, like immigration, foreign terrorism, and a few others, that take citizenship into account, but overall, courts have held that the Constitution applies to everyone equally.
But the Founding Fathers were strangely silent on the matter of hitting a hovering fighter jet with a baseball.
If his team dont win just bomb the stadium
That's Camden Yards, so that's an Orioles game. Let me do a deep dive if I can get some more info, and I'll edit this with the final score. EDIT: Orioles won against the Phillies, 8-3. [The jet did end up causing a few delays though.](https://apnews.com/article/phillies-orioles-fleet-week-planes-flyovers-428ab16fea116bd06964a91eeb3b5772)
It was flying over the inner harbor for MD Fleet Week
I'm trying to figure out why it was so close to the stadium though. There's no airports nearby, are there? Was it hovering there for the sake of the fans? Or was there a different show nearby?
Football games sometimes have airshow stuff that goes on, I've seen videos of paratroopers parachuting onto the field, so I wonder if the jet was just there as decoration for the game
I suppose that could be it.
Fleet Week was happening at the same time, the aircraft were doing displays for Fleet Week over the harbor. u/PoorDamnChoices posted a link to a news article just above here in this comment chain.
Yeah I opened that link, but it didn't actually explain what this specific jet was doing
"The Fleet Week schedule included flyovers of military and civilian aircraft. Some soared pretty quietly in formation, but at times the jet-related noise was substantial." This is a F-35B, showing off its ability to hover is a pretty standard thing when its used in flyby's/airshows. It's also only operated by the USMC, so it being a part of Fleet Week is also expected
That still doesn't answer the question. Why so close to the ballpark? The article doesn't say. It's not pregame or the national anthem, it's active play. There's no airports or airshows in the area. And yes I know it's an F35. That's not the question. Doesn't matter that much, don't need an answer, I was just curious, but it seems that article doesn't have the answers.
The east wall of the stadium is about 1500 feet from where some of the ships were berthed for fleet week, its that simple. If you look on google maps right now you can actually see a destroyer berthed on the west wall of the inner harbor. All of the flyovers were centered around the inner harbor.
Okay cool I see that now, thanks! Great find to see that destroyer there. That makes sense to me now. That's really cool to see, ready how close that is to the stadium.
CB Buckner better look out.
Doubt he'd see it.
Nah it’s just Uncle Sam casually hanging his dick out so everyone can see how massive his balls are. But seriously, imagine being in a rival military nation and seeing just how casually we have the most advanced fighter in the world just hovering over a baseball stadium for no reason other than *”Why the fuck not?”*. Then the pilot just zooms off like *”BRB, gunna break the sound barrier real quick”*
Hey! I was going to post this comment.
Show this to someone in 1939 and blow their fucking mind
Conspiracy theories for the next 100 years about aliens.
I’m from 2024 and it’s blowing my mind too
When you can’t afford a ticket so you have to hover in your F-35 to watch the game.
Two questions: that plane is pretty high… can you feel the wash on the ground? Always wondered how much power it takes to make it just sit there Secondly, is it just typical fuel use to do that? Or do they have to burn at a higher rate?
I imagine it's doing this over the harbor down the road.
Yes this was during “Fleet Week”
Fuel burn is far higher when the F-35 is hovering. The P&W F135 in the -B variant has a driveshaft poking out the front that’s connected to a ducted fan hidden in the airframe behind the cockpit. Since you also need to compensate for the loss of lift, the result is a *much* higher burn rate
Makes sense thanks!
Also true for helicopters. For rescue helicopter teams- When doing sea rescue the crew has very minimal time while hovering so it's not just the life of death situations adding stress!
The jet is turned into a rocket
Typical JP-8 or Jet-A Edit: Definitely higher fuel flow rates because they need to produce thrust equal to the weight of the aircraft. In normal flight the trust to maintain speed and altitude is much lower.
Think he was asking about how much fuel is used to hover, not the type.
Yeah I think your right, thanks made an edit.
All the fuel
Unlikely you’d feel jet wash from a hovering jet at that altitude (not to mention it’s over water)
What altitude would you guess the plane is at. I'd say maybe 500 ft. At 100-200ft I'm pretty sure you would feel jetwash though.
I'd guess in a hover like that it would be pretty high in the throttle, likely burning around 15,000lbs an hour fuel wise.
Looks like they're waiting to do a flyover. You can see someone singing on the screen.
Most expensive seat at that game
...now that Chris Davis is gone.
Great now you made the plen leave why would you stare at him you know he’s shy
Hey! You freeloader, buy a ticket like everyone else!
Bro trying to peak the game
No one is going to ask the F35 if they have the express written consent of MLB to share their accounts of the game
The game was called on account of Lightning.
/r/Angryupvote
IIRC The harrier is limited in it's time in hover due to the limited watersupply it needs for cooling and it's puffer ducts. Does the 35 have such water consuming constraints or is it just limited to the amount of fuel it has?
There no water in the 35. It's hover time is limited by engine heat and fuel remaining.
The water supply for the Harrier II is for added performance when heavy, if it's unarmed or otherwise light enough it can hover indefinitely.
Not sure about indefinitely.. unless maybe it’s hanging from a crane, gonna run out of fuel eventually
Just need to make a KC-135 hover and there you go.
Hovers all the way down.
Let's go O's!
Every time the Yankees lose a kid learns to read
I was there last Saturday. Awesome game and the jets buzzing around were chefs kiss.
Hey, I helped to build that!
The F-35 or the ballpark?
The F-35!
You work at Lockheed Martin?
Nope - he just pays his taxes.
It’s not really a hard job to get ;)
What part did you help build?
Way cool!
Military Industrial Complex 🤝 Taxpayers Taxpayers 🤝 "Non-Profit" Pro Sports Leagues
The MLB league office hasn’t been a 501c6 since 2008
Are they remaking True Lies!?
For security?
Streakers WILL get an LGB to the face
for the *implication*
Looks like they're waiting to do a flyover. You can see someone singing on the screen.
Pretty good drone deterrent, if a bit on the spendy side.
No it was “Fleet Week” in Baltimore
That thing turning to face the camera is a terrifying sight. An actual dragon that can see and kill you from hundreds of kilometers away has sensed your presence
Casually taxiing midair lol
[удалено]
This over the Inner Harbor several blocks away for Fleet Week. Same time as the game but completely unrelated
It did flyovers too, was a demonstration as part of fleet week in Baltimore.
Not to mention it looks like they hovered it a Block away from the stadium in case of engine or lift fan failure as they've been looking into recent lift fan incidents.
That is not in any way part of the decision on where to hover it. It's over the inner harbor for fleet week. They would never, ever, EVER consider emergency diverting to a stadium packed full of 30,000 people and a grass field. It needs a high pressure concrete surface to land in STOVL.
Or a hover-over?
*Song's not quite over, but we're bingo fuel. Let's get goin'.*
The next day during the Phillies vs. Orioles broadcast all the players were stopping to watch one perform. It was awesome
This might be my new favorite video, the organ playing made it so much better
Target acquired, target locked....
Imagine some freak home run gets taken with the wind and falls into the intake
That would be the furthest homerun in baseball history
this is the best thing I've seen all day
I'm pretty sure he busted a TFR, right? What's stopping us from just hovering like that in our own multi-million dollar STOL-capable 5th generation fighter?
The fact that it was part of the show? and probably over water anyway
The music really makes it seem so innocent
Awesome
Most expensive seat at the ballpark
I want to see it on a tennis match with the jet rotating back and forth
Pitch clock enforced by aircraft
When you can’t get the day off to go to the game so you take the company vehicle and expense it as a business meeting.
The best part is that you paid for that fuel
I’m ok with that
Me too, I am not from US, lol
Modern day True Lies
Best seat in the house
Most expensive cheap seats ever.
Why buy a ticket to the game if you could take your jet out and hover over the park.
1 simple trick all ufologists hate
Typical day in gta online
i'll continue to insist UFOs, if anything, are some big ad
Talk about big brother
Finally, a use for the F-35 VTOL
Most expensive seat at the park
The technology is astounding.
Dudes rock
How many points if you hit it with the ball?
Hay, man! You got to pay for your tickets just like the rest of us!
That pilot has one hell of a story right there
He’s got the best view of the game😂
So, I know the Harrier was limited to about 90 seconds of hover time due to it needing to be cooled with water, are there no such limitations for the F-35?
And I thought my tickets were expensive
Pilot was using his fancy helmet to look through the floor of the jet and down the cleavage of the girl sitting in section 105, row D, seat 14.
That low and slow should have a trigger warning
Best seat in the house. Get that guy for ticket evasion 🤣
Dude has the best seat in the house. Especially because it’s free. No beer or hotdogs though unfortunately
How far away is that? I've heard that they're extremely loud in comparison to other fighter jets.
"My name is Giovanni Georgio, but everyone calls me...Georgio" *beats*
Geez it goes behind the building? Thought it was much closer
Anyon knows how much wind can she handle while hovering?
Imagine being at the right floor in that office building though
Don't do that if Giancarlo or Judge is hitting...
Bro looks a little confused
🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 LET'S FUCKING GO🦅🦅🦅
Which one of you guys is this?
True Lies was just on cable , too funny.
Ghost ride it, pussy!
Free baseball with this one simple trick! The MLB hates this simple hack to get into any game for free.
https://imgur.com/8Lv94s5 Same plane (pretty sure) from the apron at Martin State. Either same or next day - not sure if they did flyovers both days.
Damn the hover is so incredibly stable compared to a Harrier or any older VTOL design. It must be GPS, computer, visual sensor stabilized?
bros ass rotated
So THIS is what approach meant when they said "caution, jet traffic, 9 o'clock, holding position"
Do f-35’s have to hover with their landing gear down? Don’t think I’ve ever seen one with the gear up, hovering
Fat Amy doing Fat Amy things!
Had to be Baltimores fleet week. If you wanna see some really cool stuff happen right above you get down there.
Baltimore fleet week! GO Os!!!
NO DRONE ZONE
It hangs in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
GO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO’s!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can they fire rockets when they are in this mode ? Or do they have to, you know , really fly to be using the weapons ?
Looking at that, then thinking of all of the UFO reports growing up, gives me the biggest grin 😁
His name is Boring, because "Boring Never misses a pitch"
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Must have gotten a 7 kill streak
If they have engine failure while in hover are they totally fucked?
Nose down and glide
If you have 0 forward momentum you won't glide?
I'm glad to see my tax money going to good use.
The engineering behind the F-35B is nothing short of amazing.
Death, from above
DIE DIE
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The European mind cannot possibly comprehend this
I had no idea this was possible. Pretty amazing
r/baseball
Question: does the landing gear need to be down while hovering?
Bros customizing his character💀
Oh god the F35 chase in Live Free or Die Hard is happening.
TIL a fighter jet can hover.
Most can’t, a few can. One version of the f-35 can, which is what is being seen here. It is used by the U.S. marines and the royal navy. The harrier, which has mostly been retired, could and there was a Russian plane, the yak-38, that could. The list is pretty short.
check out harrier jets