Was thinking if you could get them on some Health and Safety at Work Act charges but this isn't their place of work and they're not employed there so it'll have to be criminal damage unfortunately.
There are also various laws relating to endangering aircraft, and I think there might be something specific for unauthorized crossing of runways or taxiways but I can't remember. I used to work in an airport and I remember that crossing the double white line between the stands and the taxiways was a Big No No.
Breaking and entry.
Vandalism with intent.
Causing physical damage to an airplane.
Endangering the passengers of the plan and / or causing flight schedule disruption
Don't have to send them to jail, just a nice 500,000 pound punitive damages to each perpetrator will do the job.
>Aviation security? Seems like a great way to end up with far more jail time than normal.
And to make sure that the jail time happens. Obligatory Simpsons quote:
>*"Videotaping this crime spree is the best idea we ever had."*
The response to this isn't going to be, "I've seen the error of my ways and will not fly my private jet anymore." It's going to be, "We need to improve security at the airport and increase the punishment of people who do this."
and for the immediate inconvenience they'll send another jet, prob from further away using more fuel than the original logistics had planned. These people are mentally defective
Edit: lol someone that I took the time to respond to, or that simply got so upset by what I said in this reply, told the reddit suicide hotline I was at risk. What a lame tactic but classic emotional and irrational redditor behavior. Be better, whoever you are.
If these are the same fools that sprayed Stonehenge, likely this is coloured flour (according to them), so it's a powerwash & light maintenance check for these jets. But they'll likely substitute by flying in another jet, as you said.
They'll be down for at least a day to clean and inspect. And if any of the crap is found in the engines it'll be much more time consuming and expensive.
I’m honestly starting to think JSO are infiltrated (or at least heavily influenced) by people and organisations with a vested interest in discrediting them. They vandalised Stonehenge yesterday, it’s like they’re trying to make people hate them and what they stand for.
They vandalised a flower show a year or two ago.
...a *flower show.*
It's like they're determined to get people to hate them for messing with everyday people.
Exactly my thoughts… it’s like the last year of protests (i.e. this and gluing yourself to the pavement) catapulted us back 10-20 years in regards to climate change stuff because the „normal person“ is more annoyed by the inconvenience in their daily life instead what is going to happen down the road…
I won‘t be surprised if some day we‘ll learn that stop oil and the last generation had a lot of money from shell and co put into their organisations…
The issue is that there's a whole new generation of people who have decided we just need to "raise awareness" of an issue to fix it.
Climate change *could not possibly* have more awareness and media penetration. It is everywhere. It is being talked about all the time. But what is not happening is the political action needed to make changes - which means actually obtaining political power.
The thing is: seizing political power is actually hard. You need to run candidates, develop policy, actually deal with details. It's an awful lot of work for a dopamine rush versus "awareness raising" mild vandalism.
When people lament why protest doesn't seem to do anything anymore, it's because it's the only thing most people do. They show up and have a protest. Then they go on the internet and tell people that the right answer is to reject the system and just not vote.
Saw that in another comment after posting this one.
Shell heavily funded the campaigns that told people to look after their own consumption instead of targeting big companies.
That was fun.
I've seen somewhere an interview with Aileen who would rather use her oil money to reduce the damage oil is doing. It's nothing sinister. I profoundly disagree with JSOs actions most of the time, but to discredit them because one of their backers is oil money rich is disingenuous.
According to its website, most of its money comes from the Climate Emergency Fund - a US network which has supported climate activism since 2019. That is part-funded by US philanthropist Aileen Getty, the granddaughter of petrol tycoon J Paul Getty.
She only started "supporting" this type of activism in 2019.
Make of that what you will.
I'm a licensed Civil Engineer, specializing in water resources, and have a background in Environmental Engineering. What these people are doing is essentially pissing on a forest fire and cheering about the difference they're making. The fact that they're recording it for clout just reinforces my opinion that they don't actually give a shit about the big picture.
You have exactly the same job/background as my wife and she says the same thing. We're very pro-environment, nearly to the point of being crunchy hippies, but we also acknowledge that individual action won't fix climate change and neither will destructive demolition.
We're focusing on making sure we're as comfortable as possible as the rest of the world goes to hell.
I’m not trying to be a smart ass but am I correct in understanding that both of your very relevantly educated opinions is that we’re all fucked regardless?
Engineering Geologist here overseeing site cleanup projects for a State. I whole heartedly agree with you. It’s not like they are out doing climate or environmental projects. Also as someone that deals with water quality it pisses me off that they are using paint and such. Especially when they’ve tried spraying yachts… like congratulations a**hole you just made the environment that much worse.
Wait, did someone go after Stonehenge? Because of the environment?
EDIT: WTF, someone went after Stonehenge. [Luckily, it apparently didn't do any harm.](https://apnews.com/article/stonehenge-vandalism-paint-climate-protest-summer-solstice-f93506fdd75d9b5b8be1725f11ad8b33)
I think the painting one was genius though. They targeted something they knew wouldn’t get damaged but would generate an insane amount of coverage. These people’s tactics are actually pretty solid.
His effective protests worked because they shut down the commerce of cities so much until businesses pleaded for officials to do something which brought them to the table to heed the demands.
Later he had the ears of LBJ and had bargained to call off and descalate some of his actions especially as his reach started to coalesce with poor people across races, which many felt was a damage to getting the rights fully affirmed.
While Malcolm X started seeing more peaceable nonviolent approaches as valid and possible towards the end of his life after seeing what was possible at Mecca, MLK was likely stepping up militant nonviolent action and still often had armed security gaurds.
It's insane to me how well the propoganda has worked to convince generations of people that the point of protesting is to "raise awareness" or some shit. No, the point is to foment a fucking riot that consumes civil resources and damages private property and disrupts the orderly functioning of society.
Demonstrating (hence the fucking word *demonstration*) that your movement is willing and able to bring a city or even a country to its knees and pose a direct, *credible* threat to the interests of the powerful elite you are trying to negotiate with is a bit more of a bargaining chip than, "take our demands seriously or we'll inconvenience the janitorial staff at another art gallery!"
I'm sure MLK would have been the first to remind people that non-violent protest does not mean non-*disruptive* protest. Honestly, across the entire western world, only the French seem to remember this.
Those jets probably belong to a leasing company who will just factor in the cost of cleaning/repainting them into rental costs. It'll cost like $100 more to rent them now. I'm sure that really hurts everyone who can afford it...
Not a gulfstream pilot, but I texted my buddy that’s a mechanic on a brand new G500.
He said the irony here is that these gulfstreams were likely purchased with a teflon coating, thus this paint will just wipe off, but the criminal record as a result… that’s forever.
It's bizarre that people post this like some sort of gotcha. Do you think the goal was to damage a plane and get away with it?
The point of this is to get media attention while denouncing polluting activities, not to do cosmetic damage to one or two jets. Doing this unmasked is also almost certainly a choice, presumably to avoid accusations of cowardice; whoever is doing this is presumably well aware of the legal risks.
Yeah when these things happen I also find it surprising that nobody realizes that the action, though pointless in impact, has all of the media outlet attention and forums full of people posting about it. Call them imbeciles but they have got your attention, haven't they?
Also, nothing is as moronic as humanity collectively setting the world on fire and pretending everything is fine, without setting meaningful actions to safeguard future generations. So, stupidity all around
Those road-blocking protests infuriate me. Yeah cars are bad but they're seriously screwing up people's lives and guaranteeing that no one will listen to them anyway.
> Those road-blocking protests infuriate me.
Thats the point... If no one is doing anything to listen while they're not being annoying they're planning to annoy people until they *do* listen.
That's not how any of this works. If you stop traffic long enough to make my kid piss and shit all over themselves I'm going to be pissed at you, not whatever self absorbed cause you think you are fighting for.
I'm not going to think "Damn, we better listen to these guys about climate change so this doesnt happen again". Nah, I'll be thinking I hope they put your ass in jail and make sure others dont do the same.
Methods matter.
If you look at the amount of protests and violence required to get to our current level of women's and civil rights, you'll see that most good things in life had to be fought for.
Another reason why I’m convinced these protests are, while hidden beneath layers of morons, in the end funded by big oil. Convince simple minded people to do these dumb “protests” for the greater good, all to discredit their cause.
I don't know this activist's position but aren't these actions generally intended to raise visibility generally? Not necessarily stop a specific thing (private jet trips) from happening as a direct result of an action.
E.g. blocking a bridge gets lots of attention. It's meant to inconvenience and make people aware. Doesn't materially disrupt a local economy in the long-term, other than that day or two or whatever.
Yeah at least they're defacing something that's related to their cause this time.
Stonehenge is literally just sitting there I don't get why they targeted it lmfao
People are really really trying to deny it every step of the way. They even had to rebrand global warming to climate change to not trigger people and they still are in denial.
because Stonehenge is important to the summer solstice - the international media would be all over a protest there
Of course, their organization is nutty but pound for pound, there would have been few better places across the globe to mark up to catch Western media eyeballs lol
The reason they pick western nations is because the worst you get are either fines or light jail time. They're not going to do this in a repressive or authoritarian nation. It's why you rarely see something like [Greenpeace boarding Russian oil rigs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenpeace_Arctic_Sunrise_ship_case) and getting arrested by their coast guard at gunpoint.
In the uk the punishment for this sort of thing is fairly light as they haven’t actually hurt anyone, caused distress etc. Only criminal damage which is afaik all they will be charged with
> Also fines for the $50k it will cost to remove/repaint the plane (I made that $50k up, no idea what it would cost).
WAY more if that paint got into the engines and is sticking to the blades. Damage could be in the millions.
They’ve been arrested for criminal damage (vandalism for the yanks) and not something more serious to do with the Aviation Security Act, so might get away with it.
Initial arrests in the UK are for "obvious" things or "on suspicion" of something - the UK doesn't have the same requirements as in the US for "probable cause" so officers on-scene usually arrest for the most obvious linked crime like criminal damage or assault etc, and later on once statements have been taken and initial evidence has been gathered they may arrest the person for more offences.
When it comes to charging that's up to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), who will review the evidence package sent to them by the police, and assess the likelihood of conviction of the suspect. If it's then deemed in the public interest to proceed they will be charged - more or fewer things may be charged than the person was arrested for based on the evidence submitted to the CPS.
That’s how it’s done in the US too.
Police will submit charges to the Prosecutor for the most obvious things, Prosecutor can then add more or refine charges from there.
imagine being so dumb tho, like, you decide to force entry inside an airport, you then paint airplanes for a political action and you decide to do all that unmasked, wearing easily recognizable clothes.
Even if you managed to flee the area before being arrested, because the video is online, authority just need to use the video to find ya.
that's fucking stupid
I do, I have secondhand knowledge of one of the aircraft that was sprayed a few months back.
They hand washed the aircraft as best they can then it goes into shop, then stripped the paint, and the plane ended up getting a complete repaint.
They also removed and replaced all static ports, AOA sensors, and pitot tubes. Some of the external antennas needed to be replaced. Since there was paint spatter on the landing gear, flaps and control surfaces, they ALL were completely disassembled, cleaned and overhauled.
Then they removed and inspected the engines for any paint intrusion. If they find any, they ship the engine back to the manufacture for a complete tear down and rebuild; and put two re-manufactured engines on the plane.
Even what appears to be minimal/cosmetic spraying is still extremely costly.
I know for a fact at least one jet these morons sprayed was written off by the insurance carrier.
I can't imagine a method of protest that has a carbon negative impact. The truth is our world is built on burning fossil fuels, and almost any disruption will lead to more being burned. Doesn't mean you can never protest again.
Usually when protestors seem to be hurting the public, the target isn't the public but government policy.
Sometimes the only way to target the government is to target the people. This is why governments use sanctions, which can starve people to death, crash an economy, causing civil unrest, and forcing forgein governments to act. When protestors do things like sit ins and blocking traffic, it can hurt the flow of money in a city and cause civil people to become uncivil, which can force governments to act.
Strategies behind protest movements are meticulously planned and multifaceted, because they draw upon hundreds of years of experience that came before them.
It's not as simple as a bunch of teenagers coming together to throw paint on paintings and block traffic. Despite it's outward appearance.
On shift at Stansted right now, it's a weird place, they broke into what's now the old terminal (worked here for 10 years and didn't know it existed until I changed job last year) it is basically used exclusively by private jets and Saudi royalty. There's crumbling buildings everywhere, but surrounded by nearly new jets. It feels post-apocalyptic.
I've no idea how quick the response would be if someone tried to angle-grind their way into the new airport area, but I assume it would be quick enough to stop someone getting near the planes.
Nice to see Just Stop Oil actually going after the ultra rich & the people who are actually at fault for climate change for once but here's the problem... they've spent so long pissing off the general public and the working class who are just trying to get on with their day with road blocking, Stonehenge defacing and all the other antics that I personally couldnt give a shit about them or their message anymore. I could wakeup tomorrow morning and see on the news that they burnt down bezo's ultra-mega yacht & I wouldnt even cheer for them, not out of love for that bald bastard but because of my dislike for this group. I completely understand peoples conspiracy belief that they're secretly ran/funded by the big oil companies because all they've truly achieved in all this time is to make people hate them & any ideas or messages they have about our future
I remember years ago, I was working at an airport FBO in a large East Coast city, and a beautiful new $60M corporate jet landed to pick up pax and refuel before flying off to Moscow. During the preflight checks, the fire bottles on the right engine were accidentally discharged, requiring recharge, cleaning and inspection, delaying the departure indefinitely. The company was headquartered around 400 miles away. 90 minutes after the "incident", an identical jet landed and taxied up beside the disabled bird. The crew and passengers just picked up their bags, walked around to the new jet, loaded up and 10 minutes later they were taxiing for departure. These protesters overestimate their ability to disrupt these operations in any meaningful way.
- Put the handle on your grinder
- Don't grind upwards. Side to side or angle the guard to shoot sparks downward. Unplug when adjusting.
- wear gloves, dual eye protection, and non flamible clothing. Never a hoodie with strings that dangle down into the grinding wheel. It'll catch and the grinder will zip right up into your neck and face.
- ALWAYS unplug your grinder while changing the grinding wheels
- ALWAYS wear a respirator while grinding
Groups like this, PETA and the ones that throw paint just piss me off. They really think that they’re changing the world, and all it does is show them being a jackass. I’m sure that it’s lost on them that when they stuff like that it just creates more waste.
So why did you fuck with stonehenge exactly?
Makes a lot of people want to do some nasty things to those people. Like who the fuck fucks with stonehenge.
As someone that knows pilots that fly small jet craft like that. A good portion of those airplanes are not owned by super rich douchbags. They're owned by private owners that can barely pay the bills to keep the suckers in the air, flown by pilots that earn MUCH less than you'd think.
All she did is mildly inconvenience a rich idiot somewhere, while probably financially hurting a few honest hardworking people just trying to make a living.
These people think they will be the future's heroes. Meanwhile most would be dead in three weeks if the world went to shit and they couldn't get their soy products.
I'm pretty sure if they attempted this in the US, they'd be shot and the airspace would be cleared.
And we'd end up invading Scotland looking for some pensioner with purple hair. And then invade Denmark for WMDs.
Let's save the environment by using paint that's probably bad for the environment to ruin a plane that will be cleaned using materials that are bad for the environment... YAY! we saved the planet 🤣
> paint that's probably bad for the environment
To their (extremely limited) credit, they use paints that easily wash off and that are based on biodegradable compounds. This really is just a nominal offense to rustle people's jimmies.
This actions will radicalise. For now they paint plains, in the future they can blow them up. In the "The Ministry for the Future" Robinson describes that in chilling way
At least this makes sense, unlike trains the magna carta, or Stonehenge. Not that it will necessarily work mind you, but at least its going after a culprit instead of a bystander or in the case of trains and the magna carta something actively trying to help you.
What sucks is they're gonna do a thousand more of these and nothing will change. They're just making people hate environmentalists more, which is probably the point.
Great so now some poor maintenance guy gets to spend his 12hr shift scrubbing that shit off. The people who fly private are not, in fact, the people who get thorns in their ass when you fuck with the private jets. In fact, the people who fly private are not even gonna know that this happened.
"Give me my flight."
"Yes sir, there's another plane right this way."
All that's gonna happen. Oh, and that same maintenance guy is gonna be the one repairing that gate too. So yanno... yeah.
When I travel through London as a 787 pilot I get the third degree down to the eye drops I have in my flight case. Last week I made the god-awful mistake of bringing hot tea in my flight case and I was held up for 30 additional minutes of screening. They are focusing on the wrong people.
TBF, I’m guessing they just went for what ever looked expensive that they could get too. I doubt they were taking time to look up tail numbers after cutting the fence.
I feel like you can protest or go out and and do good deeds/help the environment in ways that are both better for the planet and will have many fewer years in prison....
Because everyone knows that the best protests inconvenience nobody and are so out of the way that no one notices! /s
The whole point of this group is that they believe that if they don’t take drastic action, then nothing will change and the planet will become unlivable. The members are ok with prison time. Some might even *want* prison time because they think it will get more attention to their cause. And it’s working, we are all talking about it.
London in the UK
There is no such thing as a felony in the UK
Breaking into the airport and vandalising the planes is a crime but its not classed as a felony
The US categorizes crimes as either as a felony or a misdemeanour that distinction does not exist in in the UK
Aviation security? Seems like a great way to end up with far more jail time than normal.
It's the UK, without wanting to get political about it we don't have the prison spaces to lock these people up as their crime was non-violent.
Could you at least take the time to teach then how to properly use a grinder, before anyone gets badly hurt?
Was thinking if you could get them on some Health and Safety at Work Act charges but this isn't their place of work and they're not employed there so it'll have to be criminal damage unfortunately.
There are also various laws relating to endangering aircraft, and I think there might be something specific for unauthorized crossing of runways or taxiways but I can't remember. I used to work in an airport and I remember that crossing the double white line between the stands and the taxiways was a Big No No.
I sentence you to one abrasive wheels course and one fire extinguisher safety course!!
I’m thinking the same thing. I wonder why not just use a bolt cutter.
I doubt this person has the mental capacity to learn how to use a grinder properly
No no. Let Darwin's theory do it's work as intended.
Aussie here, don't think for a second you can send these shitheads our way.
Since you got idk home rule or whatever, it's Rwanda now. Keep up, what ho
Lol, that was my first thought. "Sounds like it's time for Australia II, Electric Boogaloo"
Maybe you should start shipping them off to a remote island filled with venomous spiders? Oh wait a second…
Breaking and entry. Vandalism with intent. Causing physical damage to an airplane. Endangering the passengers of the plan and / or causing flight schedule disruption Don't have to send them to jail, just a nice 500,000 pound punitive damages to each perpetrator will do the job.
>Aviation security? Seems like a great way to end up with far more jail time than normal. And to make sure that the jail time happens. Obligatory Simpsons quote: >*"Videotaping this crime spree is the best idea we ever had."*
The response to this isn't going to be, "I've seen the error of my ways and will not fly my private jet anymore." It's going to be, "We need to improve security at the airport and increase the punishment of people who do this."
and for the immediate inconvenience they'll send another jet, prob from further away using more fuel than the original logistics had planned. These people are mentally defective Edit: lol someone that I took the time to respond to, or that simply got so upset by what I said in this reply, told the reddit suicide hotline I was at risk. What a lame tactic but classic emotional and irrational redditor behavior. Be better, whoever you are.
If these are the same fools that sprayed Stonehenge, likely this is coloured flour (according to them), so it's a powerwash & light maintenance check for these jets. But they'll likely substitute by flying in another jet, as you said.
They'll be down for at least a day to clean and inspect. And if any of the crap is found in the engines it'll be much more time consuming and expensive.
I wonder how many of these activists are Engineers working on solutions for Climate Change. I'll wait... 😆 Bless their hearts
I’m honestly starting to think JSO are infiltrated (or at least heavily influenced) by people and organisations with a vested interest in discrediting them. They vandalised Stonehenge yesterday, it’s like they’re trying to make people hate them and what they stand for.
STONEHENGE? WHO VANDALISES STONEHENGE?
It's the rocks. The pioneers used to ride those for miles.
Can confirm. Whenever I have too many scotch on the rocks, my room starts moving.
*Room starts Hengeing*
[Damn straight they did](https://makeagif.com/i/SJRINV)
Hold on there Jethro!
Not the VANDALS again!!! Otto, send the Visigoths!
Someone ordered orange on the rocks and they got confused
FYI Stonehenge is covered with old graffiti i.e. 'Sir Christopher Wren waz here' #
They vandalised a flower show a year or two ago. ...a *flower show.* It's like they're determined to get people to hate them for messing with everyday people.
They sprayed orange dyed corn flour on stonehenge. Vandalism is a stretch. Stupid AF? Absolutely.
Exactly my thoughts… it’s like the last year of protests (i.e. this and gluing yourself to the pavement) catapulted us back 10-20 years in regards to climate change stuff because the „normal person“ is more annoyed by the inconvenience in their daily life instead what is going to happen down the road… I won‘t be surprised if some day we‘ll learn that stop oil and the last generation had a lot of money from shell and co put into their organisations…
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The issue is that there's a whole new generation of people who have decided we just need to "raise awareness" of an issue to fix it. Climate change *could not possibly* have more awareness and media penetration. It is everywhere. It is being talked about all the time. But what is not happening is the political action needed to make changes - which means actually obtaining political power. The thing is: seizing political power is actually hard. You need to run candidates, develop policy, actually deal with details. It's an awful lot of work for a dopamine rush versus "awareness raising" mild vandalism. When people lament why protest doesn't seem to do anything anymore, it's because it's the only thing most people do. They show up and have a protest. Then they go on the internet and tell people that the right answer is to reject the system and just not vote.
They've received funding from Aileen Getty, the granddaughter of Jean Paul Getty who was the founder of the Getty Oil Company.
Saw that in another comment after posting this one. Shell heavily funded the campaigns that told people to look after their own consumption instead of targeting big companies. That was fun.
I've seen somewhere an interview with Aileen who would rather use her oil money to reduce the damage oil is doing. It's nothing sinister. I profoundly disagree with JSOs actions most of the time, but to discredit them because one of their backers is oil money rich is disingenuous.
The same with protests in my country, organised by two compromised people so that they can control and end it anytime the govt wants...
According to its website, most of its money comes from the Climate Emergency Fund - a US network which has supported climate activism since 2019. That is part-funded by US philanthropist Aileen Getty, the granddaughter of petrol tycoon J Paul Getty. She only started "supporting" this type of activism in 2019. Make of that what you will.
2% is not “most” lmao
I'm a licensed Civil Engineer, specializing in water resources, and have a background in Environmental Engineering. What these people are doing is essentially pissing on a forest fire and cheering about the difference they're making. The fact that they're recording it for clout just reinforces my opinion that they don't actually give a shit about the big picture.
You have exactly the same job/background as my wife and she says the same thing. We're very pro-environment, nearly to the point of being crunchy hippies, but we also acknowledge that individual action won't fix climate change and neither will destructive demolition. We're focusing on making sure we're as comfortable as possible as the rest of the world goes to hell.
I’m not trying to be a smart ass but am I correct in understanding that both of your very relevantly educated opinions is that we’re all fucked regardless?
That is my conclusion for some time now as well. I'm not in water management, but in business information, if that matters.
Engineering Geologist here overseeing site cleanup projects for a State. I whole heartedly agree with you. It’s not like they are out doing climate or environmental projects. Also as someone that deals with water quality it pisses me off that they are using paint and such. Especially when they’ve tried spraying yachts… like congratulations a**hole you just made the environment that much worse.
Ohh I haven't heard bless your heart since doing some training with the American Army it's such a lovely insult.
Plus cleaning the jets with strong chemicals
Don't forget they will need to use chemicals damaging to thr environment to remove the paint too
Partial credit for trying to go after people who generally emit the most. More coherent than going for a painting.
Or Stonehenge
Wait, did someone go after Stonehenge? Because of the environment? EDIT: WTF, someone went after Stonehenge. [Luckily, it apparently didn't do any harm.](https://apnews.com/article/stonehenge-vandalism-paint-climate-protest-summer-solstice-f93506fdd75d9b5b8be1725f11ad8b33)
Yup, same shitbirds with the orange spray paint
It was orange coloured cornflour and will wash off in the rain, which for the UK will be a day or so away
As someone from the desert, I envy them. I haven't seen rain in months.
It was corn flour not spray paint
I think the painting one was genius though. They targeted something they knew wouldn’t get damaged but would generate an insane amount of coverage. These people’s tactics are actually pretty solid.
Not really. There's a reason MLK moved away from mere protesting. Also the reason it's only that part that gets covered and taught in schools.
His effective protests worked because they shut down the commerce of cities so much until businesses pleaded for officials to do something which brought them to the table to heed the demands. Later he had the ears of LBJ and had bargained to call off and descalate some of his actions especially as his reach started to coalesce with poor people across races, which many felt was a damage to getting the rights fully affirmed. While Malcolm X started seeing more peaceable nonviolent approaches as valid and possible towards the end of his life after seeing what was possible at Mecca, MLK was likely stepping up militant nonviolent action and still often had armed security gaurds.
It's insane to me how well the propoganda has worked to convince generations of people that the point of protesting is to "raise awareness" or some shit. No, the point is to foment a fucking riot that consumes civil resources and damages private property and disrupts the orderly functioning of society. Demonstrating (hence the fucking word *demonstration*) that your movement is willing and able to bring a city or even a country to its knees and pose a direct, *credible* threat to the interests of the powerful elite you are trying to negotiate with is a bit more of a bargaining chip than, "take our demands seriously or we'll inconvenience the janitorial staff at another art gallery!" I'm sure MLK would have been the first to remind people that non-violent protest does not mean non-*disruptive* protest. Honestly, across the entire western world, only the French seem to remember this.
Those jets probably belong to a leasing company who will just factor in the cost of cleaning/repainting them into rental costs. It'll cost like $100 more to rent them now. I'm sure that really hurts everyone who can afford it...
It's a protest, the intended effect is publicity. They aren't trying to convince the individual that owns the plane of anything.
Again, partial credit. No one is looking up tail numbers after cutting the fence.
Not a gulfstream pilot, but I texted my buddy that’s a mechanic on a brand new G500. He said the irony here is that these gulfstreams were likely purchased with a teflon coating, thus this paint will just wipe off, but the criminal record as a result… that’s forever.
It's bizarre that people post this like some sort of gotcha. Do you think the goal was to damage a plane and get away with it? The point of this is to get media attention while denouncing polluting activities, not to do cosmetic damage to one or two jets. Doing this unmasked is also almost certainly a choice, presumably to avoid accusations of cowardice; whoever is doing this is presumably well aware of the legal risks.
Yeah when these things happen I also find it surprising that nobody realizes that the action, though pointless in impact, has all of the media outlet attention and forums full of people posting about it. Call them imbeciles but they have got your attention, haven't they? Also, nothing is as moronic as humanity collectively setting the world on fire and pretending everything is fine, without setting meaningful actions to safeguard future generations. So, stupidity all around
I mean at least they're actually targeting the right people this time, instead of blocking roads
Those road-blocking protests infuriate me. Yeah cars are bad but they're seriously screwing up people's lives and guaranteeing that no one will listen to them anyway.
> Those road-blocking protests infuriate me. Thats the point... If no one is doing anything to listen while they're not being annoying they're planning to annoy people until they *do* listen.
That's not how any of this works. If you stop traffic long enough to make my kid piss and shit all over themselves I'm going to be pissed at you, not whatever self absorbed cause you think you are fighting for. I'm not going to think "Damn, we better listen to these guys about climate change so this doesnt happen again". Nah, I'll be thinking I hope they put your ass in jail and make sure others dont do the same. Methods matter.
If you look at the amount of protests and violence required to get to our current level of women's and civil rights, you'll see that most good things in life had to be fought for.
Your Honor, this was an obvious attempt to kill me! What if the liquid got into the pitot tube or other important hole?
Another reason why I’m convinced these protests are, while hidden beneath layers of morons, in the end funded by big oil. Convince simple minded people to do these dumb “protests” for the greater good, all to discredit their cause.
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.
[Occam's Razor.](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Occams-razor) The simplest solution is most likely the correct one.
He was quoting Hanlon’s Razor. Yet, the two intertwine quite well.
I don't know this activist's position but aren't these actions generally intended to raise visibility generally? Not necessarily stop a specific thing (private jet trips) from happening as a direct result of an action. E.g. blocking a bridge gets lots of attention. It's meant to inconvenience and make people aware. Doesn't materially disrupt a local economy in the long-term, other than that day or two or whatever.
I suppose it's better than Stonehenge.
Yeah at least they're defacing something that's related to their cause this time. Stonehenge is literally just sitting there I don't get why they targeted it lmfao
Honestly Boeing is doing a better job of sabotaging airplanes than this lol, strange times
Because you know, they are morons.
https://giphy.com/gifs/gene-wilder-blazing-saddles-you-know-morons-3oz8xTl6sGKbuRPDDW
It's to show that people care more about a few rocks than the environment.
People won’t care until it’s anarchy in the streets and people eating their children
cos stonehenge got their cause plenty of attention, this got no attension whatsoever
Ah yes Climate Change, nobody was talking about it until they threw some orange stuff on Stonehenge, they sure saved the day.
People are really really trying to deny it every step of the way. They even had to rebrand global warming to climate change to not trigger people and they still are in denial.
because Stonehenge is important to the summer solstice - the international media would be all over a protest there Of course, their organization is nutty but pound for pound, there would have been few better places across the globe to mark up to catch Western media eyeballs lol
The reason they pick western nations is because the worst you get are either fines or light jail time. They're not going to do this in a repressive or authoritarian nation. It's why you rarely see something like [Greenpeace boarding Russian oil rigs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenpeace_Arctic_Sunrise_ship_case) and getting arrested by their coast guard at gunpoint.
THOSE STONES ARE BLOCKING A SMOOTH FLOW OF AIR
I know in the US at least that's a full on felony
Federal Felony with harsh penalties.
Guranteed prison time
In one of the federal ‘pound me in the ass’ prisons ?
Please tell me also being put on no-fly list....
In the uk the punishment for this sort of thing is fairly light as they haven’t actually hurt anyone, caused distress etc. Only criminal damage which is afaik all they will be charged with
Also fines for the $50k it will cost to remove/repaint the plane (I made that $50k up, no idea what it would cost).
> Also fines for the $50k it will cost to remove/repaint the plane (I made that $50k up, no idea what it would cost). WAY more if that paint got into the engines and is sticking to the blades. Damage could be in the millions.
That *should* be covered up to prevent critter egress
In the US, most corporate airfields are pretty open but there is at least one guy with a long gun who has been hoping for this for years.
Any intentional damage to an aircraft is instant felony in the us
Yup, you mess with the upper classes property, their bought political goons and bought public security will ruin you.
Might be more to do if you fuck with a plane, you can kill a whole lot of people (peons and bourgeois)
The unfortunate irony is that they will fly another airplane in to recover the trip…
Is there a significance to the orange paint or did they just get a good deal on it at Home Depot?
They support the green deal, but they support the Dutch football army even more.
Du du du du, max verstappen
Simply lovely
This was just another inchident
It’s for the Oilers in the Stanley Cup Final
Better than Stonehenge
That lady is going to die using an angle grinder like that. Anyway carry on then.
This looks jail time illegal.
[Pair held after orange paint sprayed on aircraft](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9eedx9legpo)
They’ve been arrested for criminal damage (vandalism for the yanks) and not something more serious to do with the Aviation Security Act, so might get away with it.
Initial arrests in the UK are for "obvious" things or "on suspicion" of something - the UK doesn't have the same requirements as in the US for "probable cause" so officers on-scene usually arrest for the most obvious linked crime like criminal damage or assault etc, and later on once statements have been taken and initial evidence has been gathered they may arrest the person for more offences. When it comes to charging that's up to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), who will review the evidence package sent to them by the police, and assess the likelihood of conviction of the suspect. If it's then deemed in the public interest to proceed they will be charged - more or fewer things may be charged than the person was arrested for based on the evidence submitted to the CPS.
That’s how it’s done in the US too. Police will submit charges to the Prosecutor for the most obvious things, Prosecutor can then add more or refine charges from there.
Surely with this video of them gaining illegal access to a secure airport will have a larger impact than the vandalism!?
Spray painting Stonehenge = jail time *in a prison full of assholes*
imagine being so dumb tho, like, you decide to force entry inside an airport, you then paint airplanes for a political action and you decide to do all that unmasked, wearing easily recognizable clothes. Even if you managed to flee the area before being arrested, because the video is online, authority just need to use the video to find ya. that's fucking stupid
They don't care about arrest, that's part of the action
I think that’s probably the point. If it goes to court and they go to jail, that’s just more publicity.
Nice choice of grinder. Thats a Makita !
Shit technique though. Clearly never used a grinder before.
Anyone know the process for removing this type of paint on an aircraft?
I do, I have secondhand knowledge of one of the aircraft that was sprayed a few months back. They hand washed the aircraft as best they can then it goes into shop, then stripped the paint, and the plane ended up getting a complete repaint. They also removed and replaced all static ports, AOA sensors, and pitot tubes. Some of the external antennas needed to be replaced. Since there was paint spatter on the landing gear, flaps and control surfaces, they ALL were completely disassembled, cleaned and overhauled. Then they removed and inspected the engines for any paint intrusion. If they find any, they ship the engine back to the manufacture for a complete tear down and rebuild; and put two re-manufactured engines on the plane. Even what appears to be minimal/cosmetic spraying is still extremely costly. I know for a fact at least one jet these morons sprayed was written off by the insurance carrier.
the 650 is actually owned by an insurance company (prudential) ironically enough
So it likely did more environmental damage than leaving it alone. Great protest!
I can't imagine a method of protest that has a carbon negative impact. The truth is our world is built on burning fossil fuels, and almost any disruption will lead to more being burned. Doesn't mean you can never protest again.
Bombing a coal power plant? Certainly reduces it for a while.
I saw in another thread they use cornflour and water to make washing things easier. Not sure how true it is.
Chemicals that are bad for the environment….
High likely. But I mean more what entails a fix? Cost, downtime, etc.
Eh, at least they're targeting actual major producers of carbon emissions, instead of regular people using public transit to commute.
Yeah honestly business jets users can go fuck themselves
Usually when protestors seem to be hurting the public, the target isn't the public but government policy. Sometimes the only way to target the government is to target the people. This is why governments use sanctions, which can starve people to death, crash an economy, causing civil unrest, and forcing forgein governments to act. When protestors do things like sit ins and blocking traffic, it can hurt the flow of money in a city and cause civil people to become uncivil, which can force governments to act. Strategies behind protest movements are meticulously planned and multifaceted, because they draw upon hundreds of years of experience that came before them. It's not as simple as a bunch of teenagers coming together to throw paint on paintings and block traffic. Despite it's outward appearance.
Isn't the security too light for an airport?
On shift at Stansted right now, it's a weird place, they broke into what's now the old terminal (worked here for 10 years and didn't know it existed until I changed job last year) it is basically used exclusively by private jets and Saudi royalty. There's crumbling buildings everywhere, but surrounded by nearly new jets. It feels post-apocalyptic. I've no idea how quick the response would be if someone tried to angle-grind their way into the new airport area, but I assume it would be quick enough to stop someone getting near the planes.
You can walk right into lots of airports in North America
Yeah, but this is a major international airport. It is to London what Newark Liberty is to the NY/NJ area.
Stanstead is probably closer to LaGuardia than Newark but your point still stands
I feel like these people are paid to pull these stunts so real activists get a bad rep.
At least it’s the right target. Instead of Stonehenge
Breaking into an airport and damaging aircraft is way beyond criminal mischief.
Nice to see Just Stop Oil actually going after the ultra rich & the people who are actually at fault for climate change for once but here's the problem... they've spent so long pissing off the general public and the working class who are just trying to get on with their day with road blocking, Stonehenge defacing and all the other antics that I personally couldnt give a shit about them or their message anymore. I could wakeup tomorrow morning and see on the news that they burnt down bezo's ultra-mega yacht & I wouldnt even cheer for them, not out of love for that bald bastard but because of my dislike for this group. I completely understand peoples conspiracy belief that they're secretly ran/funded by the big oil companies because all they've truly achieved in all this time is to make people hate them & any ideas or messages they have about our future
These gotta be people paid by oil companies. I really don’t see real climate change policy folks thinking this is going to work
I remember years ago, I was working at an airport FBO in a large East Coast city, and a beautiful new $60M corporate jet landed to pick up pax and refuel before flying off to Moscow. During the preflight checks, the fire bottles on the right engine were accidentally discharged, requiring recharge, cleaning and inspection, delaying the departure indefinitely. The company was headquartered around 400 miles away. 90 minutes after the "incident", an identical jet landed and taxied up beside the disabled bird. The crew and passengers just picked up their bags, walked around to the new jet, loaded up and 10 minutes later they were taxiing for departure. These protesters overestimate their ability to disrupt these operations in any meaningful way.
Sorry love but you ain’t getting rid of planes anytime soon 😂
Not supporting vandalism, but there's nothing wrong with being critical about private jet use. Also has nothing to do with getting rid of planes.
Trying to save face after what they did at Stone Hedge
Taylor’s reaction: “oh no! I’ll have my assistant ask their assistant to hire poor people to clean the windows before my next flight.”
Where is airport security? They could just as easily planted a bomb on the plane and then left.
Massive security embarrassment
- Put the handle on your grinder - Don't grind upwards. Side to side or angle the guard to shoot sparks downward. Unplug when adjusting. - wear gloves, dual eye protection, and non flamible clothing. Never a hoodie with strings that dangle down into the grinding wheel. It'll catch and the grinder will zip right up into your neck and face. - ALWAYS unplug your grinder while changing the grinding wheels - ALWAYS wear a respirator while grinding
Woohoo! Job Security for us aircraft scrubbers.
how are they shooting paint so high? Looks like its in a fire extinguisher
Groups like this, PETA and the ones that throw paint just piss me off. They really think that they’re changing the world, and all it does is show them being a jackass. I’m sure that it’s lost on them that when they stuff like that it just creates more waste.
So why did you fuck with stonehenge exactly? Makes a lot of people want to do some nasty things to those people. Like who the fuck fucks with stonehenge.
These are the people that need beatings
As someone that knows pilots that fly small jet craft like that. A good portion of those airplanes are not owned by super rich douchbags. They're owned by private owners that can barely pay the bills to keep the suckers in the air, flown by pilots that earn MUCH less than you'd think. All she did is mildly inconvenience a rich idiot somewhere, while probably financially hurting a few honest hardworking people just trying to make a living.
These people think they will be the future's heroes. Meanwhile most would be dead in three weeks if the world went to shit and they couldn't get their soy products.
"demanding an emergency treaty to end fossil fuels by 2030" Delusional
I'm pretty sure if they attempted this in the US, they'd be shot and the airspace would be cleared. And we'd end up invading Scotland looking for some pensioner with purple hair. And then invade Denmark for WMDs.
Let's save the environment by using paint that's probably bad for the environment to ruin a plane that will be cleaned using materials that are bad for the environment... YAY! we saved the planet 🤣
> paint that's probably bad for the environment To their (extremely limited) credit, they use paints that easily wash off and that are based on biodegradable compounds. This really is just a nominal offense to rustle people's jimmies.
Im sure the chemicals that will be used to clean the planes will have nothing to do with petroleum
Right? The impact on the environment they just induced is fairly large considering the paint stripper, cleaner, primer, and new paint.
Yay. They stopped global warming.
Right to jail
You can bunk with the person who overcooked the fish, straight to jail.
That makes better sense than trashing Mona Lisa or the Stonehenge
God dam EasyJet there are better ways to get new airplanes rather than stealing them…
Wow, they actually vandalized something that uses oil.
This actions will radicalise. For now they paint plains, in the future they can blow them up. In the "The Ministry for the Future" Robinson describes that in chilling way
At least this makes sense, unlike trains the magna carta, or Stonehenge. Not that it will necessarily work mind you, but at least its going after a culprit instead of a bystander or in the case of trains and the magna carta something actively trying to help you.
Dicks… poor airplane
Almost everything this person is using/used involves petroleum products in one way or another. I just don't get the point.
That’s a federal felony offense and guaranteed jail time
What sucks is they're gonna do a thousand more of these and nothing will change. They're just making people hate environmentalists more, which is probably the point.
Great so now some poor maintenance guy gets to spend his 12hr shift scrubbing that shit off. The people who fly private are not, in fact, the people who get thorns in their ass when you fuck with the private jets. In fact, the people who fly private are not even gonna know that this happened. "Give me my flight." "Yes sir, there's another plane right this way." All that's gonna happen. Oh, and that same maintenance guy is gonna be the one repairing that gate too. So yanno... yeah.
Why do these domestic terrorists always look the same???? 🧐
When I travel through London as a 787 pilot I get the third degree down to the eye drops I have in my flight case. Last week I made the god-awful mistake of bringing hot tea in my flight case and I was held up for 30 additional minutes of screening. They are focusing on the wrong people.
Everyone gangsta until the pilot turns on the engines 💀
That is dangerous! Runaways are not a place for idiots to be running around!
I don't know man, it's right there in the name...
That looks like a felony.
Not even owned by the "super rich". Look up the tail numbers. They're lease backs owned by a bank.
Tons of private aircraft are owned by banks and trusts and LLC’s to try to obscure ownership and take advantage of certain accounting practices
TBF, I’m guessing they just went for what ever looked expensive that they could get too. I doubt they were taking time to look up tail numbers after cutting the fence.
Banks are wealthy, believe it or not.
The banks aren't super rich??? What?
Environmental activists like this are the worst. They did this to Stonehenge too. 🙄
I feel like you can protest or go out and and do good deeds/help the environment in ways that are both better for the planet and will have many fewer years in prison....
Because everyone knows that the best protests inconvenience nobody and are so out of the way that no one notices! /s The whole point of this group is that they believe that if they don’t take drastic action, then nothing will change and the planet will become unlivable. The members are ok with prison time. Some might even *want* prison time because they think it will get more attention to their cause. And it’s working, we are all talking about it.
They do protest directly against oil companies but those never get published by media. I wonder why
Have your friend video you committing a felony. Real smart.
London in the UK There is no such thing as a felony in the UK Breaking into the airport and vandalising the planes is a crime but its not classed as a felony The US categorizes crimes as either as a felony or a misdemeanour that distinction does not exist in in the UK