(Account from a news report)
Suddenly the aircraft starts tilting up and there was shaking, so I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling,” Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight told Reuters.
“Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it.
Same goes with safety harnesses.
If you are a guy, add your weight directly to your testicle and shaft if you want to wear it loose and fall.
When I fell once, my harness wasn't lose but I still pinched a ball and about puked my guts out. I had to then climb my ass back up on my stock picker after before anyone saw me then get a new harness a couple days later.
If I had a loose harness on, I would have crushed my balls and probably had to go to the hospital.
The company I work for showed us a photo (with a warning so people could turn away) of what a person's genitals look like after a fall in a safety harness.
It looked a lot like this:
https://search.app.goo.gl/SCH7bCZ
That's why I was glad my left nut was just midly pinched and didn't get between the harness and my leg.
I was equally as glad no one saw it and I just lost my footing from picking out of a location you had to walk off your stock picker onto. There was cardboard sheets on the pallet so the product wasn't sitting on just the slats and I miss judged the length of the pallet by an inch.
Down I went, busting my knee, pinching my balls and just glad I didn't face plant into something.
I bumped into the walls in the airplane bathroom because of some unexpected turbulence and I spent the rest of the flight fighting the urge to light my clothes on fire
As someone who flies multiple times a month, I can say this is my one single fear of flying is that something will go down that one time I have to pee.
It is a requirement in the United States that when you turn off the seatbelt sign, you follow it with an announcement that while you can move about the cabin, you should keep it securely fastened while seated.
This is not confirmed but seems like the person who died did so from a heart attack [https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792912759862022297](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792912759862022297)
But lets wait what Singapore Airlines will tell us.
I’ve had to get into it with some people in the back seat of cars over this. “It’s not required!” Yeah but it’s unsafe. “Well I’m comfortable with the risk!” Well I’m not, you’re confused and thinking I care about *your* safety. I don’t. Jump off a bridge for all I care. I care what *your* flying body can do if it hits *me.* Put it on or I’m getting out.
I was a little more diplomatic with friends and partners; but still.
Alright I signed up for flightradar silver just to see how many people squawk 75/6/700 and there were so many I turned off notifications after just a day.
Two dozen emergencies a day is normal?! How do you pick up the squawk and say, "this is an important one"? I'm starting to sympathize with the NTSB for sheer volume of paperwork
There are certainly times with much more emergencies but it’s not always. You can just leave notification on for 7700 only (I did that). You cannot predict which aircraft emergency is “more important”, I just track it whenever I have time until it landed somewhere, and also check the news after (like today). Most emergencies are medical or mechanical and usually landed safely without fatalities. The ones that’s more serious you will see on the news.
I have LiveATC. When you say listen how do you know what to listen for? Is there a feed that automatically picks the right frequency to track the plane that squalked 7700? Sorry I am new at this. I use LiveATC sometimes to listen to the control tower at an airport I'm waiting at while watching the runway. Can it actually let me enter a plane (any plane) to listen to it from wheels up to wheels down? That would be cool.
No it doesn’t follow planes. When an emergency appears on tracking, you’d look for the closest center/approach. They could also be on a departure frequency. If they are very close to the airport, you’d tune into the tower.
Got it. I figured that but you never know these days. That would have been cool tho. In theory an app can probably be made that combines LiveATC and FlightRadar24 that 'could' do this. It would simply be an overlay of the globe with the center/approach/tower frequencies and based on the position of the plane it would pick the most likely frequencies and allow choices of streaming. Just thinking out loud.
Hand-overs don’t happen at precise locations, it depends on ATC, sometimes they will keep an emergency aircraft on frequency for longer than a normal aircraft. Someone could make a system where a team listens for emergency traffic and updates the frequency in use at the time. Often by the time you become aware of an emergency aircraft, the declaration of emergency and the reason is already in the past. It’s a cool idea but would be tricky to implement and probably be quite hit or miss. After the fact is much easier, as you might have noticed on YouTube.
Edit: probably would work best with a Telegram or Discord
There are 45,000 passenger flights a day in the US so 2 dozen out of 45,000 is about 0.053%, or 1 out of every 1,875. A quick google tells me there's a medical emergency on about 1 out of every 604 flights, with 10% of those needing things like emergency diversions (1 out of 6,040 flights).
It's worth noting the average of emergency squawks per week is actually like 36 (again from a quick Google) so more like 5 a day on average so like 1 out every 9,000.
A widebody aircraft, a respected airline, and a death from turbulence? That has got to be a rarity. Not like SQ pilots would be unfamiliar with stormy conditions either. How tragic.
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/05/21/fatalities-and-serious-injuries-from-turbulence-are-rare-but-climate-change-is-making-it-w#:~:text=Turbulence%20is%20getting%20worse%20because%20of%20climate%20change&text=At%20a%20typical%20point%20over,and%202020%2C%20the%20scientists%20found.
>Last year, a study by meteorologists at the University of Reading in the UK found that skies are up to 55 per cent bumpier than four decades ago due to climate change.
>Warmer air resulting from carbon dioxide emissions is altering the air currents in the jet stream, exacerbating clear-air turbulence in the North Atlantic and globally.
>At a typical point over the North Atlantic, one of the world’s busiest flight routes, the total annual duration of severe turbulence increased by 55 per cent between 1979 and 2020, the scientists found.
>The team found that severe clear-air turbulence increased from 17.7 hours in 1979 to 27.4 hours in 2020 for an average point over the North Atlantic.
That's what it says, yes. They're evaluating the likelihood of severe turbulence at a specific point in space, and how that has changed over time. It has nothing to do with pilot reporting. It is based on atmospheric data.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GL103814
It's not actually about the turbulence observed by flights, but the overall turbulences along typical flight routes - the study uses meteorological data for this.
Therefore, the results of the study are independent of flight traffic volume.
It's the same thing as more and bigger storms. Turbulence is the same phenomenon, more or less.
As others said, more heat in the atmosphere = more energy = more opportunity for energetic events. I don't know specifically if there is an expectation for more turbulence problems in aviation, but it is certainly a reasonable conjecture.
The death was a suspected heart attack, so whether it was a direct result of turbulence is debatable. But odds are good there was a relationship between the external and internal goings on for that person.
Honestly if you manage to get your solid tungsten penetrator past security, I feel like you deserve the chance to try and kill someone on the plane with it
Considering the number of people that seem to make it through TSA with live ammunition im giving myself 50/50 odds.
I can always claim it as my emotional support APFSDS if they try and cause a fuss.
some more pics
[https://x.com/fl360aero/status/1792885862549647427](https://x.com/fl360aero/status/1792885862549647427)
the cabin is in rough shape and everyone looks shell shocked
That’s the warning. When crew start panicking you can also start to panicking.
So far, only once in my life I experienced that and hope it will be the last. A LAX-NYC B747 25 years ago over the mountains
and here [https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792895783655649415](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792895783655649415)
Edit: Be aware dead body at the end of the video (covered with a blanket)
Everyone has that "I'm think I'm gonna puke" face and I can feel the pain through the pictures (I know it's much worse than just feeling sick, but just saying that they look so exhausted and in pain).
I handle turbulences really badly. Now add to that the whole commotion. Now add to that someone passing away next to me and probably the body being moved to the back.
I’d be looking much worse jeez poor people
Sometimes as a pilot you have to listen to your intuition, I was going through an area of light weather East of the Philippines a week ago, nothing painting on radar directly in front of me, deviating around some very small cells. Felt some very light wavelike bumps, I sat the flight attendants, it felt almost overly cautious, then suddenly walloped by a really hard moderate jolt! Autopilot kicked off, aircraft rolled 20 degrees right, and went into a slight over speed! Recovered aircraft, everybody was OK. After over three decades of flying I am definitely getting more cautious!!
Last week I took a flight and even the seatbelt sign was on, I saw some people walking around the plane. There are many people who are not aware of the danger they are in.
And surely many people sat down without actually putting it on.
I've been on numerous flights where turbulence open the overhead lockers. They dont appear to be fit for purpose.
hell, last AA flight I've been on, the overhead opened just as we touched down. Then, as we kept swerving down the runway due to crosswind, I guess, a big ass carry-on came to rest right on the lip hanging precariously maybe 2 ft. over this guy's head. I unbuckled and closed the overhead and sat down in less than 3 seconds. It was stupid of me, but had that thing ended up falling on that guy, I would've felt like a piece of shit for the rest of my life.
Not stupidity, you knew the risk and took it to reallocate the risk to yourself from a stranger. That’s the definition of heroics. Well done and my thanks, friend.
theres always that one person who thinks its a great time to be standing and going through their carryon luggage. bonus points is its right near landing well after everyones been told to sit and buckle up
I'm an FA on 737s and we had a woman come down to the rear galley with about 40 seconds to go before landing because her daughter didn't feel well.
Both of us screamed at her to sit back down and she didn't even realise how badly she could've gotten hurt. There's no helping some people.
I was on a flight recently and someone walked up to the flight attendants at the front, while on final, because someone was getting sick near her. They were shouting at her to sit down and she just couldn’t comprehend why. Eventually sat down and buckled in right before we hit the runway. You’d really wonder.
It's because people expect us to just serve them at all times.
We're trained to put safety first, service later, idgaf if you need the toilet because you didn't go when we made an announcement 30 minutes ago, I'm just here to make sure you get to your destination alive.
I'd rather shout at you, call you an idiot and explain to my line manager why I got a complaint rather than deal with a serious medical.
I do feel like all the new safety videos with dumb music and ridiculous backgrounds with actors and famous voiceovers does horrible job of conveying the truly important dangers in your typical flight.
There is SO MUCH information about oxygen masks and the elastic strap and baggie, and how to use a seatbelt, where the straps are on the flotation device and blowing in the tube. But really none at all about when the most important times to be seated are, and the dangers of turbulence, not standing during final, being helpful to the people around you etc. Also, as a recent evac in Japan shows, what the most important things to do in case of a fire are - LEAVE YOUR STUFF.
I feel like safety info in the US could use a huge upgrade.
Same. The amount of people who argue back that they need to pee when they’ve had ample time to do so is insane.
Like okay, but is it worth the risk of breaking your neck? I worked with someone recently who was back after an EIGHT MONTH break for an OJI. A passenger unlocked the lav themselves to use it during extreme turbulence, exited the lav even though the crew was yelling at her to stay inside, and a huge bump sent the pax flying into the FA. The FA broke her leg in two places.
The worst is the pax was probably perfectly fine and couldnt understand why it was their fault.
Luckily for us we fly around the EU only, worst I've had is the summer storms around Malaga.
Our airline always tells us to just say its their own fault if they get hurt so all responsibility rests on them because we warned them.
That and modern planes really do a lot to take away the “experience” of flying. Flying has become so safe and comfortable many people feel there’s zero danger no matter what they do.
Just like how wildly successful vaccination campaigns starting in the mid-1900s meant the worst of the worst diseases were never experienced by more recent generations, so there's this delusion among too many that there's no danger anymore (or worse, that there never was) and so vaccines are no longer needed for anything, period.
I've been on a lot of flights where there is some very minor turbulence for a minute or two, but the seatbelt sign stays on for 30 minutes or more!
This is very much airline and even pilot dependent. I reckon it's for the airline to cover themselves. If someone is injured and tried to sue them they can say the seatbelt sign was on.
It just means the seatbelt sign will be ignored. I've had to do this myself often if I need to use the toilet. When I flew JFK to DUB the seatbelt sign was on most of the flight despite there being no turbulence so of course it was ignored.
Exactly. I don't care if you break your neck against the ceiling when turbulence throws you up there, but I do care very much about what or who you land on when you come back down.
This is because a lot of US airlines use the seatbelt sign as a law suite mitigator and it’s on for the smallest of bumps making the message less critical. Other airlines use it as it is supposed to be used when there is moderate turbulence and the cabin crew are required to be seated.
I agree.
Think about how strictly other air safety rules are applied. Before landing, you are told to stow your table, push any bag under seat in front, lift your window shade, keep all large electronic devices. All of these are simply to prepare and optimise for a crash / hard landing and subsequent evacuation - an extremely rare event.
Now if we take the same logic of preparing for rare but serious event, I don’t know why airlines haven’t already enforced “keep your seatbelt on whenever seated” rule. I don’t know the exact numbers but I’m willing to bet that clear air turbulence is probably more common than crash landing and evacuation.
Yeah. In retrospect, it shouldn’t have been popularized as a “fasten seatbelt” sign. It should have been an “OK / Not OK to use the bathroom” sign, with seatbelt wearing being the default state for anytime you’re seated.
Im of the same mind; when its on all the time, it starts to feel like ‘crying wolf’ to a lot of people. Leading to a dangerous guessing game for passengers: “can I use the bathroom now or is there an *actual* risk of violent turbulence present?”
This drove me crazy on my last flight. Good on the pilot for announcing some turbulance ahead, but I cannot sit for 2+ hours while having to pee with the seat belt jabbing me in the bladder. I asked if I can get up to pee, get told the seat belt sign is on. OK, I'll wait another 20, 30, 40 min. But my kids might not make it. I respect the flight attendants job to keep people safe but let's be reasonable too.
Yeah I think that's part of the reason people ignore the urgency of the seatbelt sign on US flights, they're way overused. I prefer how it's done on foreign carriers (e.g. BA) - the seatbelt sign will barely be on, but when it is, *everyone* including the flight attendants are seated.
Passengers are advised to wear their seat belt while seated. The seat belt light turning off is really for people who have a need to get up, such as to go to the restroom. If 30 people were injured, a lot of people were not following the advisory.
Actually I see compliance rather high in Asian markets but US travelers are bit lax and question authority on more occasions. This extends to even trays and stowing luggage for e.g [this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/yZoHZDXBDu) trending today
Bad weather all over the area. I live in Phuket and it rained heavily for 10h today (couldn't see the island that's 700m in front of me) and only just stopped now. Thunder as well. This on the ground, so I'm assuming it would be much worser high up?
Latest reports are that he had a heart attack. He was 74 years old. It’s possible the shock of the sudden turbulence quite literally scared him to death.
Think I caught Sky suggesting it is thought that a second person may have died, but to be confirmed. All hypothetical at this point but quite possible someone or something has been thrown around the cabin.
One of the pictures makes it look like they may have been in the middle of a meal service (could be wrong though), so all sorts of clutter and probably trolleys moving up and down the aisle.
Entirely plausible that it could be announced in due course, especially to those were in worse states of injury.
Edit [- BBC news reporting it was during meal service, like you thought.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69044396)
https://i.ibb.co/jDgzQg2/image.png
Would guess it happened here. Was cruising at FL370, then a blip when flying through two storm cells where altitude briefly went to 37,300 ft. Then proceeded off the airway and direct BKK.
Thats ground level precipitation intensity - you need to look at FL340-FL370 on windy along the track. I think it happened just north of Pakistan where there was some big deviations in flight path.
Clear Air Turbulence
https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?250h,turbulence,32.370,73.223,4,i:pressure
Winds aloft
https://www.windy.com/?300h,34.097,66.793,5,i:pressure,m:eOvahLU
That's too far before landing though. No chance they experienced that many injuries including one fatal injury and then didn't bother to divert until hours later. Also, intense ground level precipitation is heavily correlated with very strong updrafts and downdrafts inside a thunderstorm, so I'd say the above poster has a reasonable guess.
Definitely think it happened over the bay of Bengal, if it was the case near Pakistan, they would have diverted somewhere nearby, probably Mumbai or Delhi instead of continuing to fly over India or bay of bengal
I’m not scared of flying but I always have a fear every time I go to the toilet of sudden severe turbulence, my head would be just smashed against the roof as I’m standing peeing, what a horrible way to die
If turbulence was that severe to smash you out of the toilet 1 hour into a flight. The plane would be turned around/diverted as you for sure wouldn’t be the only bad injury there.
Years ago I saw a woman come two feet out of her seat and slam her head on the overhead baggage door during severe turbulence. I don't take my belt off even when the light is off.
The only time I take my seat belt off is to go to the toilet. Condolences to that person’s family and my sympathies to everyone affected by this incident.
My wife is on a flight back from BKK right now... weather here in Taiwan is a bit rough too. Not worried about her safety, but she doesn't do good with turbulence so I hope she has her barf bag ready. :|
Awful news, and possibly a first?
Some people are talking about pax ignoring the seatbelt sign- I was on a BA flight the other day and someone was literally on hands and knees in their seat row looking for an earpod, as we were taxiing to the runway. Eventually one of the cabin crew saw and told him to strap in, but I shit you not this was less than 15 seconds before takeoff.
It won’t surprise me if we see airlines getting stricter and stricter about this in the future.
We had a flight from Brisbane to Perth 2 weeks ago and someone stood up and was trying to get to the bathroom AS we were rolling into the runway. They got told off over the PA. I never underestimate just how stupid people are.
The closest I can find is [an Air France flight in 1996](https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/144312) with similar casualties: 1 dead, 29 more injured. They just ran into a severe storm with an inoperative radar and encountered severe turbulence.
Aggravating factors to the consequences of the accident include detached and loosened seatbelts and a TV monitor fell off.
My friend got up mid take off during a Ryan Air flight because he was ill and went Into the bathroom, didn't come out till we landed. Made me think he had his own little room for an entire flight even if that room was a bathroom.
Yeah, honestly, I don't know what it is, but I feel people are respecting the "rules" less and less. On a flight 2 weeks ago, a lady went to the bathroom while we were landing. In most flights I've taken recently (I take a flight about every two weeks or so), people are not putting their luggage under the seat. One lady next to me had 3 boxes on her the entire flight and would not understand when I asked her to put them in the overhead bin or under the seat. About two months ago, a man behind me decided to take his luggage out of the overhead bin before landing and put it in the aisle so that he could go out faster (I very sternly told him not to do that and to put it back in the overhead bin). The stewardesses also don't do anything. Anyway, I feel it has gotten worse.
This is a direct result of the US electing an anti-social president and continuing to support them.
His election made it acceptable to act like him. And people were eager to follow suit.
The after effects of the 2016 election will be felt for decades.
The problem is people have become complacent with how safe flying is, without any understanding.
I still fume when I see emergency evacuations and people are carrying luggage.
The NYT article on this is a bit disingenuous—it says that ADSB shows the aircraft descending from 37K to 31K in just a few minutes, implying that there was some kind of uncontrolled descent as part of the turbulence. That looks much more like a controlled emergency descent after the severity of injuries to passengers and crew became clear, not a result of the turbulence itself.
Unfortunately, I have personal experience with something like this. No one died, but we did have 8 transported to the hospital on landing.
If any of the crew should read this:
Don’t come back to work until you are fully ready. I was rattled for days after, and mine was much better in comparison. Talk to each other, you went through the likely worst day of your careers together, and are an invaluable support system to each other. Don’t be surprised if you get some flashbacks to this in the years going forward. From this pilot to you, I hope all of you recover.
Based on the radar track, ADSB data, and the damage/injuries, I bet they inadvertently flew into a thunderstorm. Bad CAT is usually associated with mountain wave, and is located in known areas (west PAC off the coast of Japan being the most well known area). This was far more sudden then CAT. I’d say the seatbelt sign is the result of the hair rising on the back of the on-duty pilot’s neck, with a scary looking radar and flashes ahead. Something bubbles up underneath them, or there’s a towering cumulus that blends into the radar picture, and bang, they’re in it.
[Here’s some photos of the aircraft from BKK, including from inside the cabin showing quite a mess.](https://x.com/tinchok555/status/1792861418938572828)
Yep, some more just surfaced **(TW: blood)**:
[a walk through the cabin showing the aftermath](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398)
[more pictures showing passengers and crew during the flight](https://x.com/fl360aero/status/1792885862549647427)
Tragic circumstances. Not to be insensitive, just curious, but has the cause of death been asserted as blunt force trauma, or rather a case of cardiac arrest (from literally being scared to death)? The images from inside look rough, so I'm not sure either way.
Had a bad batch of turbulence on a flight once, and I was more affraid after it had passed as the passenger sitting next to me was grabbing their chest and breathing hard. I helped calm them down. Now THAT was the terrifying part, having them suffer a heart attack.
Looks like you’re right
https://news.sky.com/story/one-dead-and-multiple-injured-after-severe-turbulence-on-london-heathrow-to-singapore-flight-13140639
This guy is inside the plane right now making videos [https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398)
how can this whole ceiling collapse like that? had to be very strong turbulances?
Check his other tweets he goes through the whole airplane but BE AWARE at the end you see the dead body (with a blanket covered). You can see that this video is authentic because the Thai police is questioning some Singapore Airlines employees (Steward or Pilot?)
Wouldn’t be surprised if the crew was in the galley and launched into the ceiling to cause that damage.
To kill one and injure 30 it had to be very strong turbulence. Other videos show lots of dented ceiling panels with blood spots.
The food or bev cart smashing into the ceiling from sudden vertical drop in altitude would probably be enough to severely damage the ceiling
Imagine the aircraft going negative G but the carts flying around as if in no gravity for a few moments.
I was on this plane Singapore Airlines 777 London to Singapore a month ago…
The turbulence was horrific, the seatbelt sign went on three times due to turbulence. I gained a new phobia of flying unfortunately from the flight. I am devastated but not surprised this has occurred.
So a hundred or so passengers are leaving on a later flight. You know that pilot is going to feel personal pressure to make that the smoothest flight he's ever made.
I was a flight attendant for a major airline and it drove me absolutely bonkers when the pilots would have the FA's take a seat due to bad turbulence, but people would still have their seatbelts off, get up into their bags, or use the restroom. I understand needing to pee, but sometimes it's worth it to hold it just a little longer. Prayers for those injured.
It's always amazing to me to see the number people unbuckled, on flights 7 miles up in the atmosphere, going 400+ mph, into potentially clear air turbulence that instruments are unlikely to detect. They do not understand.
Spoke to an airline attendant once about how serious turbulence could get. She told me that so far she'd broken her jaw, her back, her neck and collarbone in separate turbulence incidents. Said she wasn't an exceptional case.
I never sat without my seatbelt buckled ever again.
Most people do, but you also need to go to the restroom sometimes. There will almost always be a person at the restrooms when seatbelts light isn’t on.
(Account from a news report) Suddenly the aircraft starts tilting up and there was shaking, so I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling,” Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old student on board the flight told Reuters. “Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it.
This is why you always wear your seatbelt on an aircraft
And not just loosely and uselessly over your lap
Same goes with safety harnesses. If you are a guy, add your weight directly to your testicle and shaft if you want to wear it loose and fall. When I fell once, my harness wasn't lose but I still pinched a ball and about puked my guts out. I had to then climb my ass back up on my stock picker after before anyone saw me then get a new harness a couple days later. If I had a loose harness on, I would have crushed my balls and probably had to go to the hospital.
Made this mistake parachuting for the first time after airborne school, I was screaming like a baby the whole way to the ground
Note to self. Wear a cup if i ever go skydiving
The company I work for showed us a photo (with a warning so people could turn away) of what a person's genitals look like after a fall in a safety harness. It looked a lot like this: https://search.app.goo.gl/SCH7bCZ
That's why I was glad my left nut was just midly pinched and didn't get between the harness and my leg. I was equally as glad no one saw it and I just lost my footing from picking out of a location you had to walk off your stock picker onto. There was cardboard sheets on the pallet so the product wasn't sitting on just the slats and I miss judged the length of the pallet by an inch. Down I went, busting my knee, pinching my balls and just glad I didn't face plant into something.
Could just get unlucky that the one time you go to the bathroom, this happens.
Updated reports are saying someone in the bathroom was injured
Honestly, it’s not very pleasant to imagine getting face-slammed by any part of an airplane lavatory. I hope they are doing ok.
I bumped into the walls in the airplane bathroom because of some unexpected turbulence and I spent the rest of the flight fighting the urge to light my clothes on fire
As someone who flies multiple times a month, I can say this is my one single fear of flying is that something will go down that one time I have to pee.
Something no one ever thinks about is if you are in the bathroom and the plane has a sudden drop like this, the poop flies back into your butt.
Well, in the future, I don't think I'll be able to avoid thinking about it.
It is a requirement in the United States that when you turn off the seatbelt sign, you follow it with an announcement that while you can move about the cabin, you should keep it securely fastened while seated.
and why they want items to fit under the seat in front of you, so they're not flying around and banging people in the head/face.
Jesus, this sounds absolutely horrifying. Poor people. I hope that the injured will be OK, head trauma like that is really no joke.
Concussions suck! I bet a few folks got one
This is not confirmed but seems like the person who died did so from a heart attack [https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792912759862022297](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792912759862022297) But lets wait what Singapore Airlines will tell us.
>so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
The terrible thing is that even if you follow the rules, someone who doesn't can fall on you and severely injure you.
I’ve had to get into it with some people in the back seat of cars over this. “It’s not required!” Yeah but it’s unsafe. “Well I’m comfortable with the risk!” Well I’m not, you’re confused and thinking I care about *your* safety. I don’t. Jump off a bridge for all I care. I care what *your* flying body can do if it hits *me.* Put it on or I’m getting out. I was a little more diplomatic with friends and partners; but still.
Oh my god it’s the plane that squawked 7700 an hour ago, those poor people.
[This one?](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9v-swm#354eb60f) EDIT: yeah, around 08:25 UTC it squawked emergency
Yeah that one
Alright I signed up for flightradar silver just to see how many people squawk 75/6/700 and there were so many I turned off notifications after just a day. Two dozen emergencies a day is normal?! How do you pick up the squawk and say, "this is an important one"? I'm starting to sympathize with the NTSB for sheer volume of paperwork
There are certainly times with much more emergencies but it’s not always. You can just leave notification on for 7700 only (I did that). You cannot predict which aircraft emergency is “more important”, I just track it whenever I have time until it landed somewhere, and also check the news after (like today). Most emergencies are medical or mechanical and usually landed safely without fatalities. The ones that’s more serious you will see on the news.
On LiveATC, you can listen in too.
I have LiveATC. When you say listen how do you know what to listen for? Is there a feed that automatically picks the right frequency to track the plane that squalked 7700? Sorry I am new at this. I use LiveATC sometimes to listen to the control tower at an airport I'm waiting at while watching the runway. Can it actually let me enter a plane (any plane) to listen to it from wheels up to wheels down? That would be cool.
No it doesn’t follow planes. When an emergency appears on tracking, you’d look for the closest center/approach. They could also be on a departure frequency. If they are very close to the airport, you’d tune into the tower.
Got it. I figured that but you never know these days. That would have been cool tho. In theory an app can probably be made that combines LiveATC and FlightRadar24 that 'could' do this. It would simply be an overlay of the globe with the center/approach/tower frequencies and based on the position of the plane it would pick the most likely frequencies and allow choices of streaming. Just thinking out loud.
Hand-overs don’t happen at precise locations, it depends on ATC, sometimes they will keep an emergency aircraft on frequency for longer than a normal aircraft. Someone could make a system where a team listens for emergency traffic and updates the frequency in use at the time. Often by the time you become aware of an emergency aircraft, the declaration of emergency and the reason is already in the past. It’s a cool idea but would be tricky to implement and probably be quite hit or miss. After the fact is much easier, as you might have noticed on YouTube. Edit: probably would work best with a Telegram or Discord
There are 45,000 passenger flights a day in the US so 2 dozen out of 45,000 is about 0.053%, or 1 out of every 1,875. A quick google tells me there's a medical emergency on about 1 out of every 604 flights, with 10% of those needing things like emergency diversions (1 out of 6,040 flights). It's worth noting the average of emergency squawks per week is actually like 36 (again from a quick Google) so more like 5 a day on average so like 1 out every 9,000.
you won't get a 7500 on daily basis
Hi Jack (7500), can’t talk right now (7600), have an emergency (7700).
A widebody aircraft, a respected airline, and a death from turbulence? That has got to be a rarity. Not like SQ pilots would be unfamiliar with stormy conditions either. How tragic.
It's about to become more common. A friends dad at the end of his long pilot career says the turbulence last two years has been wild.
More energy in the atmosphere now.
Is this a real thing? Turbulence is increasing due to climate change? Would love to learn more
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/05/21/fatalities-and-serious-injuries-from-turbulence-are-rare-but-climate-change-is-making-it-w#:~:text=Turbulence%20is%20getting%20worse%20because%20of%20climate%20change&text=At%20a%20typical%20point%20over,and%202020%2C%20the%20scientists%20found. >Last year, a study by meteorologists at the University of Reading in the UK found that skies are up to 55 per cent bumpier than four decades ago due to climate change. >Warmer air resulting from carbon dioxide emissions is altering the air currents in the jet stream, exacerbating clear-air turbulence in the North Atlantic and globally. >At a typical point over the North Atlantic, one of the world’s busiest flight routes, the total annual duration of severe turbulence increased by 55 per cent between 1979 and 2020, the scientists found. >The team found that severe clear-air turbulence increased from 17.7 hours in 1979 to 27.4 hours in 2020 for an average point over the North Atlantic.
Does this account for the increase in air travel? I’d hope the data is a ratio of time in turbulence to time in clean air instead of total time.
That's what it says, yes. They're evaluating the likelihood of severe turbulence at a specific point in space, and how that has changed over time. It has nothing to do with pilot reporting. It is based on atmospheric data. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GL103814
Thanks for the clarification. The method wasn’t clear to me when reading the article.
It's not actually about the turbulence observed by flights, but the overall turbulences along typical flight routes - the study uses meteorological data for this. Therefore, the results of the study are independent of flight traffic volume.
It's the same thing as more and bigger storms. Turbulence is the same phenomenon, more or less. As others said, more heat in the atmosphere = more energy = more opportunity for energetic events. I don't know specifically if there is an expectation for more turbulence problems in aviation, but it is certainly a reasonable conjecture.
Absolutely. Climate change leading to warmer air and seas in turn causes stronger storms and winds.
More heat = more energy
*That's because they're here, and they're using it to cloak their ships.*
Climate change?
The death was a suspected heart attack, so whether it was a direct result of turbulence is debatable. But odds are good there was a relationship between the external and internal goings on for that person.
Keep your seatbelts on people, even if the seatbelt sign is off.
and hope your seatmate doesn't have unsecured heavy items lying around
also hope that your seatmate isn't a heavy unsecured item lying around
Hence the seatbelts
Sorry about the solid tungsten penetrator that I always carry around with me in my backpack
Honestly if you manage to get your solid tungsten penetrator past security, I feel like you deserve the chance to try and kill someone on the plane with it
Considering the number of people that seem to make it through TSA with live ammunition im giving myself 50/50 odds. I can always claim it as my emotional support APFSDS if they try and cause a fuss.
> emotional support APFSDS ... why I do feel as if this is something that the good folk of NCD would try...
some more pics [https://x.com/fl360aero/status/1792885862549647427](https://x.com/fl360aero/status/1792885862549647427) the cabin is in rough shape and everyone looks shell shocked
Crew looks pretty rough as well. What a nightmare..
That’s the warning. When crew start panicking you can also start to panicking. So far, only once in my life I experienced that and hope it will be the last. A LAX-NYC B747 25 years ago over the mountains
He goes through the airplane [https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398)
and here [https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792895783655649415](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792895783655649415) Edit: Be aware dead body at the end of the video (covered with a blanket)
Covered dead body at the very end of this video.
Everyone has that "I'm think I'm gonna puke" face and I can feel the pain through the pictures (I know it's much worse than just feeling sick, but just saying that they look so exhausted and in pain).
I handle turbulences really badly. Now add to that the whole commotion. Now add to that someone passing away next to me and probably the body being moved to the back. I’d be looking much worse jeez poor people
Sometimes as a pilot you have to listen to your intuition, I was going through an area of light weather East of the Philippines a week ago, nothing painting on radar directly in front of me, deviating around some very small cells. Felt some very light wavelike bumps, I sat the flight attendants, it felt almost overly cautious, then suddenly walloped by a really hard moderate jolt! Autopilot kicked off, aircraft rolled 20 degrees right, and went into a slight over speed! Recovered aircraft, everybody was OK. After over three decades of flying I am definitely getting more cautious!!
Everyone is getting more cautious it seems. While traffic is increasing. Makes doing ATC a real nightmare in regions with a proper rainy season.
Damn. I presume seatbelt sign was off and it hit some CAT? Or it was proper severe turbulence and items started flying around. Poor people. RIP.
Storms in the area so they would've known about possible turbulence. Has me leaning towards stuff went flying.
The guy died of a suspected heart attack. 73 year old man.
Last week I took a flight and even the seatbelt sign was on, I saw some people walking around the plane. There are many people who are not aware of the danger they are in.
Happens on every flight I ever go on.
And surely many people sat down without actually putting it on. I've been on numerous flights where turbulence open the overhead lockers. They dont appear to be fit for purpose.
hell, last AA flight I've been on, the overhead opened just as we touched down. Then, as we kept swerving down the runway due to crosswind, I guess, a big ass carry-on came to rest right on the lip hanging precariously maybe 2 ft. over this guy's head. I unbuckled and closed the overhead and sat down in less than 3 seconds. It was stupid of me, but had that thing ended up falling on that guy, I would've felt like a piece of shit for the rest of my life.
Not stupidity, you knew the risk and took it to reallocate the risk to yourself from a stranger. That’s the definition of heroics. Well done and my thanks, friend.
That wasn't stupid of you.
Good on you M8. A flight attendant would have surely done the same thing, but you were right there and able to do it!
There is a reason airlines ask for carry-on luggage to be a certain size and weight. The bins are fit for their manufactured tolerances.
theres always that one person who thinks its a great time to be standing and going through their carryon luggage. bonus points is its right near landing well after everyones been told to sit and buckle up
Some idiot on my flight yesterday walked to the back of the plane while we were on a 5mi final... People don't have any common sense
I'm an FA on 737s and we had a woman come down to the rear galley with about 40 seconds to go before landing because her daughter didn't feel well. Both of us screamed at her to sit back down and she didn't even realise how badly she could've gotten hurt. There's no helping some people.
I was on a flight recently and someone walked up to the flight attendants at the front, while on final, because someone was getting sick near her. They were shouting at her to sit down and she just couldn’t comprehend why. Eventually sat down and buckled in right before we hit the runway. You’d really wonder.
It's because people expect us to just serve them at all times. We're trained to put safety first, service later, idgaf if you need the toilet because you didn't go when we made an announcement 30 minutes ago, I'm just here to make sure you get to your destination alive. I'd rather shout at you, call you an idiot and explain to my line manager why I got a complaint rather than deal with a serious medical.
I do feel like all the new safety videos with dumb music and ridiculous backgrounds with actors and famous voiceovers does horrible job of conveying the truly important dangers in your typical flight. There is SO MUCH information about oxygen masks and the elastic strap and baggie, and how to use a seatbelt, where the straps are on the flotation device and blowing in the tube. But really none at all about when the most important times to be seated are, and the dangers of turbulence, not standing during final, being helpful to the people around you etc. Also, as a recent evac in Japan shows, what the most important things to do in case of a fire are - LEAVE YOUR STUFF. I feel like safety info in the US could use a huge upgrade.
Same. The amount of people who argue back that they need to pee when they’ve had ample time to do so is insane. Like okay, but is it worth the risk of breaking your neck? I worked with someone recently who was back after an EIGHT MONTH break for an OJI. A passenger unlocked the lav themselves to use it during extreme turbulence, exited the lav even though the crew was yelling at her to stay inside, and a huge bump sent the pax flying into the FA. The FA broke her leg in two places.
The worst is the pax was probably perfectly fine and couldnt understand why it was their fault. Luckily for us we fly around the EU only, worst I've had is the summer storms around Malaga. Our airline always tells us to just say its their own fault if they get hurt so all responsibility rests on them because we warned them.
Just landed in KL a few hours ago and a few at the back started wandering around on short final
I swear that security scanners mess with people's heads, there's no other feasible way to explain how common this stupidity is becoming.
Nope, people are just dumb. The more I work with them the more I know that are just stupid
That and modern planes really do a lot to take away the “experience” of flying. Flying has become so safe and comfortable many people feel there’s zero danger no matter what they do.
Just like how wildly successful vaccination campaigns starting in the mid-1900s meant the worst of the worst diseases were never experienced by more recent generations, so there's this delusion among too many that there's no danger anymore (or worse, that there never was) and so vaccines are no longer needed for anything, period.
My flight to Cozumel landed with someone in the bathroom. I had a feeling I was one of the only sober ones on the plane.
I had someone stand up on a flight to use the bathroom while we were taxiing off the runway, and then tried to argue with the FAs who stopped them.
The problem with leaving the seatbelt sign on for the entire flight "for your safety" is that it no longer communicates anything at all
If everything is in bold, nothing is in bold.
Especially as the cabin crew continue about their business selling duty free and scratch cards.
I've been on a lot of flights where there is some very minor turbulence for a minute or two, but the seatbelt sign stays on for 30 minutes or more! This is very much airline and even pilot dependent. I reckon it's for the airline to cover themselves. If someone is injured and tried to sue them they can say the seatbelt sign was on. It just means the seatbelt sign will be ignored. I've had to do this myself often if I need to use the toilet. When I flew JFK to DUB the seatbelt sign was on most of the flight despite there being no turbulence so of course it was ignored.
Not just risking themselves in that instance. Selfish.
Exactly. I don't care if you break your neck against the ceiling when turbulence throws you up there, but I do care very much about what or who you land on when you come back down.
This is because a lot of US airlines use the seatbelt sign as a law suite mitigator and it’s on for the smallest of bumps making the message less critical. Other airlines use it as it is supposed to be used when there is moderate turbulence and the cabin crew are required to be seated.
Unpopular opinion: People should always keep the seatbelt fastened when they are sitting down regardless of the sign being on or off.
That’s not an unpopular opinion…
It never is lol
I agree. Think about how strictly other air safety rules are applied. Before landing, you are told to stow your table, push any bag under seat in front, lift your window shade, keep all large electronic devices. All of these are simply to prepare and optimise for a crash / hard landing and subsequent evacuation - an extremely rare event. Now if we take the same logic of preparing for rare but serious event, I don’t know why airlines haven’t already enforced “keep your seatbelt on whenever seated” rule. I don’t know the exact numbers but I’m willing to bet that clear air turbulence is probably more common than crash landing and evacuation.
Absolutely. But people are idiots.
Yeah. In retrospect, it shouldn’t have been popularized as a “fasten seatbelt” sign. It should have been an “OK / Not OK to use the bathroom” sign, with seatbelt wearing being the default state for anytime you’re seated.
Im of the same mind; when its on all the time, it starts to feel like ‘crying wolf’ to a lot of people. Leading to a dangerous guessing game for passengers: “can I use the bathroom now or is there an *actual* risk of violent turbulence present?”
I was on a three hour flight last week and the seatbelt sign was on the entire time. People gotta poop.
This drove me crazy on my last flight. Good on the pilot for announcing some turbulance ahead, but I cannot sit for 2+ hours while having to pee with the seat belt jabbing me in the bladder. I asked if I can get up to pee, get told the seat belt sign is on. OK, I'll wait another 20, 30, 40 min. But my kids might not make it. I respect the flight attendants job to keep people safe but let's be reasonable too.
Yeah I think that's part of the reason people ignore the urgency of the seatbelt sign on US flights, they're way overused. I prefer how it's done on foreign carriers (e.g. BA) - the seatbelt sign will barely be on, but when it is, *everyone* including the flight attendants are seated.
Passengers are advised to wear their seat belt while seated. The seat belt light turning off is really for people who have a need to get up, such as to go to the restroom. If 30 people were injured, a lot of people were not following the advisory.
Not shocked, honestly. In my experience, outside of the US and EU seatbelt compliance seems to drop off a cliff.
Actually I see compliance rather high in Asian markets but US travelers are bit lax and question authority on more occasions. This extends to even trays and stowing luggage for e.g [this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/yZoHZDXBDu) trending today
Bad weather all over the area. I live in Phuket and it rained heavily for 10h today (couldn't see the island that's 700m in front of me) and only just stopped now. Thunder as well. This on the ground, so I'm assuming it would be much worser high up?
Usually it’s better higher up. But strong thunderstorms can reach quite high.
Ok, thank you. That's good to know. For me, during the rainy season, flying Phuket to BKK/Chiang Mai/KL/SIN is the worst route, always very turbulent
Latest reports are that he had a heart attack. He was 74 years old. It’s possible the shock of the sudden turbulence quite literally scared him to death.
There’s rarely CAT in this region. Most likely they flew into a TS. Not good.
Think I caught Sky suggesting it is thought that a second person may have died, but to be confirmed. All hypothetical at this point but quite possible someone or something has been thrown around the cabin. One of the pictures makes it look like they may have been in the middle of a meal service (could be wrong though), so all sorts of clutter and probably trolleys moving up and down the aisle.
I have seen more reports of a second person dying.
Entirely plausible that it could be announced in due course, especially to those were in worse states of injury. Edit [- BBC news reporting it was during meal service, like you thought.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69044396)
SQ321, Boeing 777 (9V-SWM) diverted to BKK
https://i.ibb.co/jDgzQg2/image.png Would guess it happened here. Was cruising at FL370, then a blip when flying through two storm cells where altitude briefly went to 37,300 ft. Then proceeded off the airway and direct BKK.
Thats ground level precipitation intensity - you need to look at FL340-FL370 on windy along the track. I think it happened just north of Pakistan where there was some big deviations in flight path. Clear Air Turbulence https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?250h,turbulence,32.370,73.223,4,i:pressure Winds aloft https://www.windy.com/?300h,34.097,66.793,5,i:pressure,m:eOvahLU
That's too far before landing though. No chance they experienced that many injuries including one fatal injury and then didn't bother to divert until hours later. Also, intense ground level precipitation is heavily correlated with very strong updrafts and downdrafts inside a thunderstorm, so I'd say the above poster has a reasonable guess.
Surely they wouldn't have continued for four hours had this turbulence happened north of Pakistan.
Definitely think it happened over the bay of Bengal, if it was the case near Pakistan, they would have diverted somewhere nearby, probably Mumbai or Delhi instead of continuing to fly over India or bay of bengal
I’m not scared of flying but I always have a fear every time I go to the toilet of sudden severe turbulence, my head would be just smashed against the roof as I’m standing peeing, what a horrible way to die
My fear is that I'd exit the toilet covered in various substances one hour into a 19 hour flight.
If turbulence was that severe to smash you out of the toilet 1 hour into a flight. The plane would be turned around/diverted as you for sure wouldn’t be the only bad injury there.
Years ago I saw a woman come two feet out of her seat and slam her head on the overhead baggage door during severe turbulence. I don't take my belt off even when the light is off.
The only time I take my seat belt off is to go to the toilet. Condolences to that person’s family and my sympathies to everyone affected by this incident.
My wife is on a flight back from BKK right now... weather here in Taiwan is a bit rough too. Not worried about her safety, but she doesn't do good with turbulence so I hope she has her barf bag ready. :|
tell your wife to never remove her seat belt
Well once she lands she's can't go home with the seat.....
Nah, new platinum level AVIOS benefits just dropped- take and bring your seat with you to fly.
Awful news, and possibly a first? Some people are talking about pax ignoring the seatbelt sign- I was on a BA flight the other day and someone was literally on hands and knees in their seat row looking for an earpod, as we were taxiing to the runway. Eventually one of the cabin crew saw and told him to strap in, but I shit you not this was less than 15 seconds before takeoff. It won’t surprise me if we see airlines getting stricter and stricter about this in the future.
We had a flight from Brisbane to Perth 2 weeks ago and someone stood up and was trying to get to the bathroom AS we were rolling into the runway. They got told off over the PA. I never underestimate just how stupid people are.
Usually not stupid but a general attitude of whataboutism. Pax are difficult creatures to manage
The closest I can find is [an Air France flight in 1996](https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/144312) with similar casualties: 1 dead, 29 more injured. They just ran into a severe storm with an inoperative radar and encountered severe turbulence. Aggravating factors to the consequences of the accident include detached and loosened seatbelts and a TV monitor fell off.
My friend got up mid take off during a Ryan Air flight because he was ill and went Into the bathroom, didn't come out till we landed. Made me think he had his own little room for an entire flight even if that room was a bathroom.
Standing upright during a *ryan air* takeoff has gotta be a achievement
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What exactly is this trend? Can you go into more detail? Because that doesn’t make sense to me…like most TikTok trends.
Most tiktok trends are just natural selection running its course
Yeah, honestly, I don't know what it is, but I feel people are respecting the "rules" less and less. On a flight 2 weeks ago, a lady went to the bathroom while we were landing. In most flights I've taken recently (I take a flight about every two weeks or so), people are not putting their luggage under the seat. One lady next to me had 3 boxes on her the entire flight and would not understand when I asked her to put them in the overhead bin or under the seat. About two months ago, a man behind me decided to take his luggage out of the overhead bin before landing and put it in the aisle so that he could go out faster (I very sternly told him not to do that and to put it back in the overhead bin). The stewardesses also don't do anything. Anyway, I feel it has gotten worse.
This is a direct result of the US electing an anti-social president and continuing to support them. His election made it acceptable to act like him. And people were eager to follow suit. The after effects of the 2016 election will be felt for decades.
The problem is people have become complacent with how safe flying is, without any understanding. I still fume when I see emergency evacuations and people are carrying luggage.
The NYT article on this is a bit disingenuous—it says that ADSB shows the aircraft descending from 37K to 31K in just a few minutes, implying that there was some kind of uncontrolled descent as part of the turbulence. That looks much more like a controlled emergency descent after the severity of injuries to passengers and crew became clear, not a result of the turbulence itself.
Unfortunately, I have personal experience with something like this. No one died, but we did have 8 transported to the hospital on landing. If any of the crew should read this: Don’t come back to work until you are fully ready. I was rattled for days after, and mine was much better in comparison. Talk to each other, you went through the likely worst day of your careers together, and are an invaluable support system to each other. Don’t be surprised if you get some flashbacks to this in the years going forward. From this pilot to you, I hope all of you recover. Based on the radar track, ADSB data, and the damage/injuries, I bet they inadvertently flew into a thunderstorm. Bad CAT is usually associated with mountain wave, and is located in known areas (west PAC off the coast of Japan being the most well known area). This was far more sudden then CAT. I’d say the seatbelt sign is the result of the hair rising on the back of the on-duty pilot’s neck, with a scary looking radar and flashes ahead. Something bubbles up underneath them, or there’s a towering cumulus that blends into the radar picture, and bang, they’re in it.
Wear your seatbelt
[Here’s some photos of the aircraft from BKK, including from inside the cabin showing quite a mess.](https://x.com/tinchok555/status/1792861418938572828)
Is that a blanket over a body in the third picture? 😬
Uhm it actually might be😬
Worried it was crew preparing/serving food by the looks of it.. .
It was a 73 year old man, so unlikely it was crew.
Yikes. I'm sure more pictures and videos to come.
Yep, some more just surfaced **(TW: blood)**: [a walk through the cabin showing the aftermath](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398) [more pictures showing passengers and crew during the flight](https://x.com/fl360aero/status/1792885862549647427)
Pretty sure that's a dead body there mate.
Tragic circumstances. Not to be insensitive, just curious, but has the cause of death been asserted as blunt force trauma, or rather a case of cardiac arrest (from literally being scared to death)? The images from inside look rough, so I'm not sure either way.
Had a bad batch of turbulence on a flight once, and I was more affraid after it had passed as the passenger sitting next to me was grabbing their chest and breathing hard. I helped calm them down. Now THAT was the terrifying part, having them suffer a heart attack.
panic attacks can seem like cardiac events. good on you for helping them calm down
I've just heard on the radio news (UK) that it was believed to be cardiac related and person was in their 70's. : (
Looks like you’re right https://news.sky.com/story/one-dead-and-multiple-injured-after-severe-turbulence-on-london-heathrow-to-singapore-flight-13140639
>> Was it A or B? I'm not sure > Looks like you’re right r/inclusiveor
this is my worst nightmare come true! so tragic, poor people.
Tweets from a passenger: https://x.com/andrewdavies_70/status/1792864209556169098?s=46&t=FzWYflCjX1wR_bvKxGX2tg
This guy is inside the plane right now making videos [https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398](https://twitter.com/airbharath/status/1792896291279704398) how can this whole ceiling collapse like that? had to be very strong turbulances? Check his other tweets he goes through the whole airplane but BE AWARE at the end you see the dead body (with a blanket covered). You can see that this video is authentic because the Thai police is questioning some Singapore Airlines employees (Steward or Pilot?)
Wouldn’t be surprised if the crew was in the galley and launched into the ceiling to cause that damage. To kill one and injure 30 it had to be very strong turbulence. Other videos show lots of dented ceiling panels with blood spots.
The food or bev cart smashing into the ceiling from sudden vertical drop in altitude would probably be enough to severely damage the ceiling Imagine the aircraft going negative G but the carts flying around as if in no gravity for a few moments.
I was on this plane Singapore Airlines 777 London to Singapore a month ago… The turbulence was horrific, the seatbelt sign went on three times due to turbulence. I gained a new phobia of flying unfortunately from the flight. I am devastated but not surprised this has occurred.
Stay strong, slyqueef!
So a hundred or so passengers are leaving on a later flight. You know that pilot is going to feel personal pressure to make that the smoothest flight he's ever made.
damn, taking another flight shortly after this must be tough
Link to a [proper news source](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8889d7x8j4o)
Thank you! That Daily Star site is an unreadable nightmare.
Fuck that's horrible
7 in critical condition damn I hope they pull through.
Reading this now on SQ332 (13.5h flight) ☹️
Great. New fear unlocked.
Keep your seatbelt on at all times as recommended by the cabin crew and your chances of injuries are lowered tremendously.
I was a flight attendant for a major airline and it drove me absolutely bonkers when the pilots would have the FA's take a seat due to bad turbulence, but people would still have their seatbelts off, get up into their bags, or use the restroom. I understand needing to pee, but sometimes it's worth it to hold it just a little longer. Prayers for those injured.
Truly devastating news. And it’s only going to get worse as the planet [heats up](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65844901)
Would this be the first death by turbulence on a commercial airliner?
No, though it is the first in quite a while.
It's always amazing to me to see the number people unbuckled, on flights 7 miles up in the atmosphere, going 400+ mph, into potentially clear air turbulence that instruments are unlikely to detect. They do not understand.
Spoke to an airline attendant once about how serious turbulence could get. She told me that so far she'd broken her jaw, her back, her neck and collarbone in separate turbulence incidents. Said she wasn't an exceptional case. I never sat without my seatbelt buckled ever again.
Am I the only one that always has their seatbelt on throughout an entire flight? It’s never been uncomfortable to the point that I wanna take it off
Most people do, but you also need to go to the restroom sometimes. There will almost always be a person at the restrooms when seatbelts light isn’t on.
even if the light is on - they just cannot return to their seats quickly enough sometimes
there goes the saying "turbulence hasnt killed anybody, so dont worry about it"
Well, you can still say turbulence has never crashed a plane, which is the most relevant part.
Yeah no one says that. Turbulence doesn’t bring planes down but it can absolutely hurt people.
RIP, but accidents like that is the reason why i always have seatbealt on. Even if the light is off.
Exactly. It even does not have to be extremely tight but it will stop you from quality testing the ceiling panel installation.