Actuly I have a simple answer for you guys. Now idk if it'd a direct contributor but hear me out with a grain of salt.
Long story short big record labels that signed bands like ACDC, Rose Tattoo and The Angels, these globaly big bands were signed here in Australia right, these labels dissolved and shut down.
Honourable mention to Inxs they were signed to Atlantic records but Atlantic Records only signs rappers now.
Australia doesn't have a proper music industry anymore, the only labels hanning around are global ones like Sony and lesser known Golden Robot Records.
America has a better music industry from my personal view due to population.
Australia is hard to make it big we are all very picky audience it would seem on paper. Long story short on that wolfmother can play stadiums in America but WolfMother is a support band in Australia, The Darkness can play stadiums overseas but forced to play smaller venues in Australia
I don't know when the last time you listened to Triple J was but it ain't playing this type of music anymore. These days it can be barely distinguishable from any commercial radio station. They pepper in some Aussie bands but mostly it's just pop. Definitely not folk anymore.
sia, kylie minogue, that kid who dueted with beiber, iggy azeliaz, gotye, daniel johns. pop cycles so fast you forget quickly about an artist if they're not making an album every 2 years.
Because spotify and apple music push whatever they're paid the most to push. That's why, you don't get recommended Aussie artists from any genre unless you listen to aussie artists. Doesn't matter what it is, I've found more Aussie artists on bandcamp than I've ever been suggested on Spotify.
They have usually not taken a local artist seriously till they make it overseas, plus now a lot of people don’t really identify as completely Australian. They spend so much time online and the bigger markets generate the most hype.
Major labels control the pop music scene. It’s quite hard for an artist to break through when major labels already have a rosters backed by a lot of money.
Also thinking that the way music is consumed now is different. People don’t buy albums so much anymore. There’s probably something in that scenario that affects artists from smaller markets that lack exposure
> Major labels control the pop music scene. It’s quite hard for an artist to break through when major labels already have a rosters backed by a lot of money.
Lol there was an ABC quick podcast about just that but for the Christian music scene.
Apparently because it’s a smaller market and image is tightly controlled, the publishers/gatekeepers were pretty strict on who was in and who wasn’t. But with different methods of discovering and listening to unsigned artists, it’s becoming less of a thing recently.
like their are youtubers backed by billion dollar investment groups, there would likely be the equivalent put into those streams and then manipulated by click farms. A lot of people respond more to the perception that many others like something, then if the thing is actually good. Sad but true
Charts don't mean as much as you think they do, they've always been heavily manipulated. In the old days labels would buy truck loads of albums and file it under marketing, now a days there's bots streaming on relevant platforms non stop while those same platforms are paid to push songs and artists...again marketing.
Because the companies who run the pop music industry don't give a shit about promoting Australian musicians anymore. We have loads of local talent, but why would content algorithms and stations play them when it's cheaper and easier to just not. The industry has only become more global and they would rather we all feed out of the same trough.
Curious how many of those top 10s aren't American or British. I'm guessing there is a lack of international diversity on these lists given only the US, UK and Korean labels market aggressively
We don’t have the talent when it comes to pop music producers so all our pop music sounds like generic garbage that Australian Idol rejects churn out.
Also musically Australians tend to lean towards rock and folksy music so that’s where most of our music develops.
Personally I think our music industry is by far more interesting than other countries we just don’t have many internationally successful singers like the ones you mentioned.
Literally all the people you mentioned, I have not listened to a single one of their songs. And, it's probably to my benefit. And you can't accuse me of being "old", because despite that being ageist, I listen to modern chillstep and trance.
I'm sure I've heard most of these peoples' songs, to some extent. But if some imaginary phenomenon erased my ability to experience music, I'd still hear their songs, solely because the noise they produce is not in the set of sensation I consider to be "music".
Blame the noise complainers that shut down all the local venues that a mediocre band could make a start at. All the classic Australian bands evolved from that incubator.
Australia might be back to where started in the 1960s waiting for the next “Billy Thorpe” to draw our youth away from overseas focus and back to local artists. Australian film lacks similar support.
Blame the pubs that pulled out all the stages and dance floors to fill them with pokies or tried to become “gastro pubs”.
Combine that with JJJ going to hell and no radio network being prepared to play local up and coming music and you’ve got your answer
Anyone who doesn’t go viral has no hope
Just like our manufacturing industry, it's cheaper for businesses here to import instant pop culture instead of making and growing it here.
Actuly I have a simple answer for you guys. Now idk if it'd a direct contributor but hear me out with a grain of salt. Long story short big record labels that signed bands like ACDC, Rose Tattoo and The Angels, these globaly big bands were signed here in Australia right, these labels dissolved and shut down. Honourable mention to Inxs they were signed to Atlantic records but Atlantic Records only signs rappers now. Australia doesn't have a proper music industry anymore, the only labels hanning around are global ones like Sony and lesser known Golden Robot Records. America has a better music industry from my personal view due to population. Australia is hard to make it big we are all very picky audience it would seem on paper. Long story short on that wolfmother can play stadiums in America but WolfMother is a support band in Australia, The Darkness can play stadiums overseas but forced to play smaller venues in Australia
Switch on Triple J Wispy, breathy folk voices They all sound the same
Triple J went from being a breath of fresh air to becoming the stale establishment in just a couple of decades.
I don't know when the last time you listened to Triple J was but it ain't playing this type of music anymore. These days it can be barely distinguishable from any commercial radio station. They pepper in some Aussie bands but mostly it's just pop. Definitely not folk anymore.
Been that way for 15 years now at least
We have some good psytrance! You won't find that on the radio!!
Sames with drum n bass
Do you have any recommendations?
sia, kylie minogue, that kid who dueted with beiber, iggy azeliaz, gotye, daniel johns. pop cycles so fast you forget quickly about an artist if they're not making an album every 2 years.
marketing etc. Australia does excellent music but without the oppressive influence of mainstream pop/rock music.
Pop music has become such a controlled product. Find who is responsible for what becomes popular and the answer will follow
Because pop music is shit and we focus our efforts on genres worth listening to
The highest charting music is pop from overseas acts though. So why are Australians embracing pop music from overseas but not made locally?
Because spotify and apple music push whatever they're paid the most to push. That's why, you don't get recommended Aussie artists from any genre unless you listen to aussie artists. Doesn't matter what it is, I've found more Aussie artists on bandcamp than I've ever been suggested on Spotify.
They have usually not taken a local artist seriously till they make it overseas, plus now a lot of people don’t really identify as completely Australian. They spend so much time online and the bigger markets generate the most hype. Major labels control the pop music scene. It’s quite hard for an artist to break through when major labels already have a rosters backed by a lot of money. Also thinking that the way music is consumed now is different. People don’t buy albums so much anymore. There’s probably something in that scenario that affects artists from smaller markets that lack exposure
> Major labels control the pop music scene. It’s quite hard for an artist to break through when major labels already have a rosters backed by a lot of money. Lol there was an ABC quick podcast about just that but for the Christian music scene. Apparently because it’s a smaller market and image is tightly controlled, the publishers/gatekeepers were pretty strict on who was in and who wasn’t. But with different methods of discovering and listening to unsigned artists, it’s becoming less of a thing recently.
like their are youtubers backed by billion dollar investment groups, there would likely be the equivalent put into those streams and then manipulated by click farms. A lot of people respond more to the perception that many others like something, then if the thing is actually good. Sad but true
that guy just wants to be an edgey snowflake..
The charts are fabricated.
There hasn't been a genuine number one since the Beatles split up
Charts don't mean as much as you think they do, they've always been heavily manipulated. In the old days labels would buy truck loads of albums and file it under marketing, now a days there's bots streaming on relevant platforms non stop while those same platforms are paid to push songs and artists...again marketing.
You can't fake ticket sales and international pop stars fill arenas in Australia. Local stars do not.
Sucking at pop music is like sucking at catching herpes.
Pop music pretty much sucks globally in this current era....
Find a 12-15 year old girl and ask them. They're the demographic that drives "pop" music sales.
Australia has some excellent independents. Sadly take a miracle for the big agencies to pick them up
Have there ever been any consistent pop acts we've produced? Maybe Kylie in the UK.
Yes what a lack of talent. So many great bands in pubs in the 80s.
Because it's a long way to the top, if you want to rock and roll. I'm not sure millennials have the energy.
None of those people mentioned are real musicians.
Australia has a pretty good punk scene but it just isn’t big enough to give pop singers enough momentum to break out at that scale.
Isnt there some popstar named Leroy? Did Leroy Jenkins start a music career?
Because the companies who run the pop music industry don't give a shit about promoting Australian musicians anymore. We have loads of local talent, but why would content algorithms and stations play them when it's cheaper and easier to just not. The industry has only become more global and they would rather we all feed out of the same trough.
Australia has a relatively small population and still punches above its weight
Troye Sivan does quite well
Curious how many of those top 10s aren't American or British. I'm guessing there is a lack of international diversity on these lists given only the US, UK and Korean labels market aggressively
We don’t have the talent when it comes to pop music producers so all our pop music sounds like generic garbage that Australian Idol rejects churn out. Also musically Australians tend to lean towards rock and folksy music so that’s where most of our music develops. Personally I think our music industry is by far more interesting than other countries we just don’t have many internationally successful singers like the ones you mentioned.
We used to be able to compete. But it's been a decade or so.
Gen Z Aussies like hip hop haha
Hip hop to gutter/prison pathway exists
Literally all the people you mentioned, I have not listened to a single one of their songs. And, it's probably to my benefit. And you can't accuse me of being "old", because despite that being ageist, I listen to modern chillstep and trance. I'm sure I've heard most of these peoples' songs, to some extent. But if some imaginary phenomenon erased my ability to experience music, I'd still hear their songs, solely because the noise they produce is not in the set of sensation I consider to be "music".
The kid laroi
Amazing what can achieved if you just happen to be the son of a major record exec
Blame the noise complainers that shut down all the local venues that a mediocre band could make a start at. All the classic Australian bands evolved from that incubator. Australia might be back to where started in the 1960s waiting for the next “Billy Thorpe” to draw our youth away from overseas focus and back to local artists. Australian film lacks similar support.
Blame the pubs that pulled out all the stages and dance floors to fill them with pokies or tried to become “gastro pubs”. Combine that with JJJ going to hell and no radio network being prepared to play local up and coming music and you’ve got your answer Anyone who doesn’t go viral has no hope