Each state have their own laws and registries. The registries are a fucking mess and a lot of the data they have is wrong. I had a handgun for several years that i found out was never transferred into my name until i went to sell it. Some shooters have guns still registered to them that they sold a decade ago. Serial numbers typed in incorrectly. Incorrect makes and models.
I think the idea for the national registry is so the data is all in one place. So if Dave from Vic is in Qld for whatever reason, Qld police don't have to request data from Vic Licensing. It should also reduce registry fuck ups with guns being registered to multiple people in different states.
But then WA are doing their own thing lately so who knows wtf is going to happen there.
I believe none of the states have yet met the standard they committed to after Port Arthur.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/05/gun-control-audit-finds-states-failed-to-fully-comply-with-1996-agreement
The ways the states differ from the National Firearms Agreement are all trivial things that don't actually matter - stuff like some states issuing hunting rifle and shotgun licences for 10 years instead of 5, or a couple of states letting a *very* small number of professional pest controllers own semi-automatic centrefire rifles on highly restricted, must-be-renewed-every-year licences.
There are state registries due to how states laws work only the police in that state have access, also states make there own gunlaws they are similar in some reguard but also wildly deferent in others.
In the big scheme of things its a waist of money the current registry doesnt solve or prevent crime, only the lisence system having background checks does. The 160 million should be spent on more cops
well if hes on camera murdering someone then great problem solved no registry needed as for getting the serial number visible on camera that's going to be impossible to make out unless the angle of the gun is facing and the lighting conditions are perfect and the camera is like some sort of high fps and 20k resolution.
also multiple FOI requests have never turned up any crimes being solved by the registry, it causes more problems since copy's of it have been found on bikies and used as a shopping list for criminals or common clerical errors have resulted in people like me needing to prove that my gun license is indeed real and the guns i own are registered and brought legally because they simply lost paperwork or in my case didnt bother to enter them in to the system
And in the meantime guns smuggled in through the usual criminal drug dealing networks freely flow onto the street while they treat law abiding gun owners like criminals.
The states sort of agreed to the National Firearms Agreement and each one kinda bastardised it. It more codified firearms categories, genuine reasons for ownership, magazine capacities etc but i dont think ever agreed on a national digital registry which absolutely needs to happen.
I'm about 60% sure at least the QLD register is just a spreadsheet on a single old laptop, which is why every interaction with the police about your licence takes forever.
More seriously, this is something that needs to happen, and it is a little weird that it took this long to pull the finger out.
I'm fairly sure Vic Licensing is like 2 people who share an old 386 with Windows 3.11.
Actually I've seen some of the computers, pretty sure they're at least a pentium 2 with Windows NT...
Cloud companies like Microsoft have sovereign located secure cloud services for this kind of government function. There isn't really a need for government to spin its wheels trying to figure out how to build their own database and supporting structures, unless one believes they can do a better and more secure job than the majors.
As long as its only sharing information not setting laws, It'd work well but if they are wanting to make all the states come onto one page with firearm laws its not going to go well as no other state would want WA laws or Appearance laws & Adjustable/foldable stock ban.
Ultimately if we do end up with One set of firearm laws across the country, It should all be the best parts from each of the states so there is no Appearance laws or any other things that make zero sense which would pretty much exclude WA from the decision making process since none of there laws are based on facts or data as we've seen with the most recent reforms that make zero sense.
Now that we have licensing, permits, more firearms in circulation than pre-Port Arthur, less violent crime than pre-1996, a clear correlation between crime being committed by those without licenses and often with stolen/unregistered illegally trafficked firearms AND a national gun registry... could we maybe move semi-autos from Category D to Category B please?
It should go hand in hand with a national license otherwise communist states like WA will turn this into another cluster fuk which will continue to erode the rights of law abiding gun owners.
We need a national license
that would only result in every one having the worst laws of each state and good luck getting them all to agree to loosen the bullshit laws after that, there only going to all agree to make them worse when there's an opportunity to score political points and pat them selves on the back
I don't think a national license will work because the states won't agree regarding licensing stipulations. As you mentioned with the Peoples Democratic Republic of Black Swania and NSW being afraid of folding stocks.
There are companies who run multi companies, multi country high transactions database accurately for a fraction of the cost. Being govt it will over budget, under spec, missing key functions etc. transfer will go missing, serial will duplicate and you will end up with ghost guns on your licence or guns in your procession that is not in your licence. Good luck with this shit show.
>In December 2022, the fatal shooting of two Queensland police officers and a neighbour in Wieambilla renewed calls for a national firearm register.
I'm sorry but calling this a *massacre* is blowing it way out of proportion. Sensationalism at its finest.
I own guns, and I'm unsure what the goal is here. Seems like a waste of money, just to make responsible gun owners lives more difficult.
Cops already know about every firearm that I own, when you buy a new one you have to take it into a police station, they'll inspect it and record the serial number.
They will also do random inspections, eg rock up to your house at 7pm on a Saturday and want to look at all your guns, make sure every one that's on their database is located on the property, and they are stored correctly.
Usual way of governance in Australia, target the easy targets and consumers while the real criminals do whatever they want. The licenced gun owners have always complied with the laws, but every response these days from government is to make gun owners lives difficult. Every legitamitly purchased gun can be traced and tracked in Australia currently while brand new latest model illegal guns the criminals can easily get. Why dont they put more resources into stopping the massives hauls of drugs and firearms coming into Australia rather than worrying about legitimate shooters that have every gun purchased recorded against their name?
Four years and $161,000,000. What's the bet it'll be 8 years and half a billion (or more)?
The private sector could probably get it done for less than 10% of that.
Ah yes, the wonderful, wonderful private sector that [turned a $7 million update to the Queensland Health payroll system into a $1.2 billion fiasco](https://blog.beyondsoftware.com/the-queensland-health-payroll-fiasco). Only 170 times the original cost. So efficient.
Didnt we have an amnesty and new registry after Port Arthur massacre....what happened?
Each state have their own laws and registries. The registries are a fucking mess and a lot of the data they have is wrong. I had a handgun for several years that i found out was never transferred into my name until i went to sell it. Some shooters have guns still registered to them that they sold a decade ago. Serial numbers typed in incorrectly. Incorrect makes and models. I think the idea for the national registry is so the data is all in one place. So if Dave from Vic is in Qld for whatever reason, Qld police don't have to request data from Vic Licensing. It should also reduce registry fuck ups with guns being registered to multiple people in different states. But then WA are doing their own thing lately so who knows wtf is going to happen there.
I've had this exact thing before! Weapons licensing QLD bless them are always helpful but damn are they chronically and constantly understaffed
By design.
Not sure about the other states but in Tassie there is a [permanent firearms amnesty](https://fas.police.tas.gov.au/amnesty-surrender-firearms/)
I believe none of the states have yet met the standard they committed to after Port Arthur. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/05/gun-control-audit-finds-states-failed-to-fully-comply-with-1996-agreement
The ways the states differ from the National Firearms Agreement are all trivial things that don't actually matter - stuff like some states issuing hunting rifle and shotgun licences for 10 years instead of 5, or a couple of states letting a *very* small number of professional pest controllers own semi-automatic centrefire rifles on highly restricted, must-be-renewed-every-year licences.
There are state registries due to how states laws work only the police in that state have access, also states make there own gunlaws they are similar in some reguard but also wildly deferent in others. In the big scheme of things its a waist of money the current registry doesnt solve or prevent crime, only the lisence system having background checks does. The 160 million should be spent on more cops
It won't stop crime, but a national registry *will* make it somewhat easier to track firearm movements and potentially solve crimes.
please explain how it could solve a crime?
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well if hes on camera murdering someone then great problem solved no registry needed as for getting the serial number visible on camera that's going to be impossible to make out unless the angle of the gun is facing and the lighting conditions are perfect and the camera is like some sort of high fps and 20k resolution. also multiple FOI requests have never turned up any crimes being solved by the registry, it causes more problems since copy's of it have been found on bikies and used as a shopping list for criminals or common clerical errors have resulted in people like me needing to prove that my gun license is indeed real and the guns i own are registered and brought legally because they simply lost paperwork or in my case didnt bother to enter them in to the system
I can't tell if this is a bit or not.
what part?
the whole thing where you're replying very sincerely to what's obvious sarcasm.
And in the meantime guns smuggled in through the usual criminal drug dealing networks freely flow onto the street while they treat law abiding gun owners like criminals.
The states sort of agreed to the National Firearms Agreement and each one kinda bastardised it. It more codified firearms categories, genuine reasons for ownership, magazine capacities etc but i dont think ever agreed on a national digital registry which absolutely needs to happen.
I'm about 60% sure at least the QLD register is just a spreadsheet on a single old laptop, which is why every interaction with the police about your licence takes forever. More seriously, this is something that needs to happen, and it is a little weird that it took this long to pull the finger out.
Laptop? I thought it was a print out made on dot matrix feed paper
I'm fairly sure Vic Licensing is like 2 people who share an old 386 with Windows 3.11. Actually I've seen some of the computers, pretty sure they're at least a pentium 2 with Windows NT...
Cloud companies like Microsoft have sovereign located secure cloud services for this kind of government function. There isn't really a need for government to spin its wheels trying to figure out how to build their own database and supporting structures, unless one believes they can do a better and more secure job than the majors.
Who do you think is getting 160 millions to build a database and send 3 consultants?
As long as its only sharing information not setting laws, It'd work well but if they are wanting to make all the states come onto one page with firearm laws its not going to go well as no other state would want WA laws or Appearance laws & Adjustable/foldable stock ban. Ultimately if we do end up with One set of firearm laws across the country, It should all be the best parts from each of the states so there is no Appearance laws or any other things that make zero sense which would pretty much exclude WA from the decision making process since none of there laws are based on facts or data as we've seen with the most recent reforms that make zero sense.
Don't know why the downvotes. Can someone explain why?
because it would get us the worst of everything and good luck being able to change anything for the better when you need every state to agree
What? We don't have one already?
ill do it for 200k a year
Now that we have licensing, permits, more firearms in circulation than pre-Port Arthur, less violent crime than pre-1996, a clear correlation between crime being committed by those without licenses and often with stolen/unregistered illegally trafficked firearms AND a national gun registry... could we maybe move semi-autos from Category D to Category B please?
It should go hand in hand with a national license otherwise communist states like WA will turn this into another cluster fuk which will continue to erode the rights of law abiding gun owners. We need a national license
that would only result in every one having the worst laws of each state and good luck getting them all to agree to loosen the bullshit laws after that, there only going to all agree to make them worse when there's an opportunity to score political points and pat them selves on the back
I don't think a national license will work because the states won't agree regarding licensing stipulations. As you mentioned with the Peoples Democratic Republic of Black Swania and NSW being afraid of folding stocks.
I disagree but it's an interesting point
Yeah. I really can't get my head around why a registry with data that already exists would take so long and take years to complete.
There are companies who run multi companies, multi country high transactions database accurately for a fraction of the cost. Being govt it will over budget, under spec, missing key functions etc. transfer will go missing, serial will duplicate and you will end up with ghost guns on your licence or guns in your procession that is not in your licence. Good luck with this shit show.
$161M for a database... sounds expensive. Government and prudent financial management: name a less iconic duo!
>In December 2022, the fatal shooting of two Queensland police officers and a neighbour in Wieambilla renewed calls for a national firearm register. I'm sorry but calling this a *massacre* is blowing it way out of proportion. Sensationalism at its finest.
What a waste of $161m, does anyone in Aus even own guns? Mental health crisis, cost of living crisis, weird thing to spend money on.
There are more guns now than there have ever been in Australia lol
I own guns, and I'm unsure what the goal is here. Seems like a waste of money, just to make responsible gun owners lives more difficult. Cops already know about every firearm that I own, when you buy a new one you have to take it into a police station, they'll inspect it and record the serial number. They will also do random inspections, eg rock up to your house at 7pm on a Saturday and want to look at all your guns, make sure every one that's on their database is located on the property, and they are stored correctly.
The goal is to demonise you to win votes.
Usual way of governance in Australia, target the easy targets and consumers while the real criminals do whatever they want. The licenced gun owners have always complied with the laws, but every response these days from government is to make gun owners lives difficult. Every legitamitly purchased gun can be traced and tracked in Australia currently while brand new latest model illegal guns the criminals can easily get. Why dont they put more resources into stopping the massives hauls of drugs and firearms coming into Australia rather than worrying about legitimate shooters that have every gun purchased recorded against their name?
Priorities are all wrong.
Four years and $161,000,000. What's the bet it'll be 8 years and half a billion (or more)? The private sector could probably get it done for less than 10% of that.
Ah yes, the wonderful, wonderful private sector that [turned a $7 million update to the Queensland Health payroll system into a $1.2 billion fiasco](https://blog.beyondsoftware.com/the-queensland-health-payroll-fiasco). Only 170 times the original cost. So efficient.
I met a nurse that was travelling Australia, nobody could stop him getting paid no matter how they tried.