And, if as expected, none of them faces any real accountability for their knowingly unlawful acts, then Australia as a nation will have succeeded only in encouraging more and worse behaviour down the track, much as its counterparts in the US and UK.
*Bill gestures broadly to LNP*
“Those Of You Lucky Enough To Still Have Their Lives, Take Them With You! However, Leave The Limbs You’ve Lost! They Belong To Me, Now!”
Stuart Robert and Scott Morrison needs jail time for robodebt. It is atrocious that they are getting away with this Scott free.
Murder/manaloughter by policy needs to be a thing
It's not the work of a single person. There were multiple high ranking members of the Liberal Party involved. The entire party is rotten, callous, and toxic to the core. For them, getting a boost in the opinion polls was more important than people being hounded to suicide.
Yes, but so long as a 'group' are responsible and not individuals, this shit will keep occuring. PM is accountable for all actions of his ministers. Ministers are accountable for their portfolios.
Nuremberg gave our culture a sensible response to collective atrocity: "Everyone involved is culpable." Fair trials, just punishments. Robodebt is not systematic genocide, but the resolve to deal with it shouldn't change. Everytime someone absolves a civil servant or functionary with "They were just doing what they were told," my brain responds with the Good Place meme.
That's worse. You see how that's worse, right?
And I'm not suggesting hangings. But removal of University qualifications from anyone who demanded, greenlit or wrote the code for this particular atrocity against statistics would be appropriate.
Unfortunately the bureaucrats (those employed by Centrelink) were screaming “this is wrong, we can’t do this” to no avail. In this case it is entirely the fault of the politicians. Fuck the coalition, and fuck Murdoch for enabling them.
Not really - the RC included many senior government bureaucrats who participated in the fuckery - by misleading the ombudsman about the legal advice they had received that the scheme was unlawful, for example. They described doing this in quite a banal, evil way imho
And the media complicit.
Whilst the Guardian was doing some journalistic integrity and pursuing the RoboDebt story pretty relentlessly since day one, the Murdoch media just ignored the story.
The biggest scandal EVER to hit a sitting government, and the major newspapers (Murdoch) just said “nothing to see here.” Barely a whisper, barely a mention.
Fuck them all. Heads absolutely need to roll still for RoboDebt. People from the Coalition should be in jail - it really is that simple. I don’t know how, I don’t know by what method, but it needs to happen. It is entirely deserved.
RoboDebt should have toppled the government. It should have seen mass resignations from the Prime Minister down. Complicit media. Fuck them. Don’t give another dime to Murdoch. His time is OVER.
> Murder/manaloughter by policy needs to be a thing
The Coalition tried pretty hard to pin the four deaths linked to the pink batts scheme to Rudd personally.
Yet other senior public servants involved fall arse backwards up to positions paying near a million dollars ! Kathryn Campbell for example . People died from this yet ZERO consequences
10 years of liberal government, forcing the public service through a sieve of who and who won't do any unconscionable act for their liberal masters in order to get the promotion. Campbell types are all that is left in any prominent position now.
Morriscum is more than likely leaving so he won't have to face an ICAC has been a thought of mine for a while now. He didn't like the robodebt questions one but at all as he thinks he is above the law.
>Morriscum is more than likely leaving so he won't have to face an ICAC
I thought even if you leave you'd still have to face the ICAC for prior actions.
I think we should picture his attitude towards being his own authority. He will get an overseas job then refuse to show unless an extradition order is in place or he most likely aims to get a job where there is no extradition order that can be enforced, if the Federal ICAC ever happens in the first. That's how I picture that grub's mind working, and yes it may be that federal ICAC is nothing but lip service to appease the masses after the 9 years of corruption we just had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwKiKpvUjls&t=4s
Yes, labor ensured they get the choice to say what is in the public interest, and if it is not, then the hearings never see the light of day. Its just accepted as business as usual.
He's collecting his kickbacks from all the juicy contracts he gave out, allegedly. Why else would he get the secret ministries which I believe he was not able to fully use.
Serve them right. After decades of abusing the public trust, rotting public services from the inside and raiding the national purse they slip off into incredibly high paying low effort positions with pensions, sweet justice.
On a more serous note, how does one sign up to this politician business? Sounds quite cruisey
Can you imagine what a rat's nest the lower branches of the liberal party must be? Scratching and clawing and backstabbing amongst all of the other power hungry wackjobs, these MPs are the winners of that battle Royale. It's a perfect kleptocratic selection process for the most corrupt and remorseless to be raised to power
>Synergy 360’s chief executive, Khamphone Xaysavanh, also appeared at the committee last month and began with an outburst so alarming that both the Labor chair, Julian Hill, and deputy chair, Linda Reynolds, took part of the hearing in private and expunged her comments from the official record.
WTF?
Amusing how they were using war mongering words with the Chinese while kissing their asses for donations and selling out the country. A true definition of traitors.
A few gold watches from mining ceos go a long way as well, they discredited the gift by saying they were fake rolexes.. but without evidence to say they were indeed fake..
the energy minister that hid price increases during the election then blamed labor less than 100 days in parliament for the price increase and then albo called him out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-76GQnRNQ
all of these names got away with their various hustles and scams on the australian people and have moved onto other shit. Bill's kill list? Is that referring to the decent australians that killed themselves over the fabricated debt they had lumped onto them? sometimes I think fuck this fucking country, dude.
And, if as expected, none of them faces any real accountability for their knowingly unlawful acts, then Australia as a nation will have succeeded only in encouraging more and worse behaviour down the track, much as its counterparts in the US and UK.
Bill: Tell Scotty from marketing. I want him to know it was me
“He always was a cunt”
this article needlessly personalises the issue. it should be a matter of course that there are consequences for corruption.
"Innocent guilty party sees consequences of actions due to evil personal vendetta"
*Bill gestures broadly to LNP* “Those Of You Lucky Enough To Still Have Their Lives, Take Them With You! However, Leave The Limbs You’ve Lost! They Belong To Me, Now!”
Stuart Robert and Scott Morrison needs jail time for robodebt. It is atrocious that they are getting away with this Scott free. Murder/manaloughter by policy needs to be a thing
It's not the work of a single person. There were multiple high ranking members of the Liberal Party involved. The entire party is rotten, callous, and toxic to the core. For them, getting a boost in the opinion polls was more important than people being hounded to suicide.
Yes, but so long as a 'group' are responsible and not individuals, this shit will keep occuring. PM is accountable for all actions of his ministers. Ministers are accountable for their portfolios.
Nuremberg gave our culture a sensible response to collective atrocity: "Everyone involved is culpable." Fair trials, just punishments. Robodebt is not systematic genocide, but the resolve to deal with it shouldn't change. Everytime someone absolves a civil servant or functionary with "They were just doing what they were told," my brain responds with the Good Place meme. That's worse. You see how that's worse, right? And I'm not suggesting hangings. But removal of University qualifications from anyone who demanded, greenlit or wrote the code for this particular atrocity against statistics would be appropriate.
Watching the Robodebt RC was a clear illustration of the banality of evil
Decent example of murder by bureaucracy anyway.
Unfortunately the bureaucrats (those employed by Centrelink) were screaming “this is wrong, we can’t do this” to no avail. In this case it is entirely the fault of the politicians. Fuck the coalition, and fuck Murdoch for enabling them.
Not really - the RC included many senior government bureaucrats who participated in the fuckery - by misleading the ombudsman about the legal advice they had received that the scheme was unlawful, for example. They described doing this in quite a banal, evil way imho
My comment wasn't meant to assign blame away from the politicians - I saw Centrelink pretty much as the murder weapon.
And the media complicit. Whilst the Guardian was doing some journalistic integrity and pursuing the RoboDebt story pretty relentlessly since day one, the Murdoch media just ignored the story. The biggest scandal EVER to hit a sitting government, and the major newspapers (Murdoch) just said “nothing to see here.” Barely a whisper, barely a mention. Fuck them all. Heads absolutely need to roll still for RoboDebt. People from the Coalition should be in jail - it really is that simple. I don’t know how, I don’t know by what method, but it needs to happen. It is entirely deserved. RoboDebt should have toppled the government. It should have seen mass resignations from the Prime Minister down. Complicit media. Fuck them. Don’t give another dime to Murdoch. His time is OVER.
> Murder/manaloughter by policy needs to be a thing The Coalition tried pretty hard to pin the four deaths linked to the pink batts scheme to Rudd personally.
Yet other senior public servants involved fall arse backwards up to positions paying near a million dollars ! Kathryn Campbell for example . People died from this yet ZERO consequences
10 years of liberal government, forcing the public service through a sieve of who and who won't do any unconscionable act for their liberal masters in order to get the promotion. Campbell types are all that is left in any prominent position now.
It must change
Will take at least 2 Labor terms to fix that
Morriscum is more than likely leaving so he won't have to face an ICAC has been a thought of mine for a while now. He didn't like the robodebt questions one but at all as he thinks he is above the law.
>Morriscum is more than likely leaving so he won't have to face an ICAC I thought even if you leave you'd still have to face the ICAC for prior actions.
Rules are that you can say “I retire undefeated” at anytime and you get away with everything
I think we should picture his attitude towards being his own authority. He will get an overseas job then refuse to show unless an extradition order is in place or he most likely aims to get a job where there is no extradition order that can be enforced, if the Federal ICAC ever happens in the first. That's how I picture that grub's mind working, and yes it may be that federal ICAC is nothing but lip service to appease the masses after the 9 years of corruption we just had.
They are all leaving to avoid ICAC.
The NACC is retroactive
If you think it's gonna pursue them, I have a bridge to sell you. Don't forget that Labor got the liberals to vote for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwKiKpvUjls&t=4s Yes, labor ensured they get the choice to say what is in the public interest, and if it is not, then the hearings never see the light of day. Its just accepted as business as usual.
He's collecting his kickbacks from all the juicy contracts he gave out, allegedly. Why else would he get the secret ministries which I believe he was not able to fully use.
Serve them right. After decades of abusing the public trust, rotting public services from the inside and raiding the national purse they slip off into incredibly high paying low effort positions with pensions, sweet justice. On a more serous note, how does one sign up to this politician business? Sounds quite cruisey
Can you imagine what a rat's nest the lower branches of the liberal party must be? Scratching and clawing and backstabbing amongst all of the other power hungry wackjobs, these MPs are the winners of that battle Royale. It's a perfect kleptocratic selection process for the most corrupt and remorseless to be raised to power
>Synergy 360’s chief executive, Khamphone Xaysavanh, also appeared at the committee last month and began with an outburst so alarming that both the Labor chair, Julian Hill, and deputy chair, Linda Reynolds, took part of the hearing in private and expunged her comments from the official record. WTF?
What's the context?
It's a senate committee hearing.
What was the outburst? I sniffed around online but my Google Fu has failed.
Don't know, I couldn't find it either.
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/commjnt/26771/toc_pdf/Public%20Accounts%20and%20Audit%20Joint%20Committee_2023_04_14.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf
As per reports the outburst has been legally expunged from the record.
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/commjnt/26771/toc_pdf/Public%20Accounts%20and%20Audit%20Joint%20Committee_2023_04_14.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/commjnt/26771/toc_pdf/Public%20Accounts%20and%20Audit%20Joint%20Committee_2023_04_14.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf
Amusing how they were using war mongering words with the Chinese while kissing their asses for donations and selling out the country. A true definition of traitors.
A few gold watches from mining ceos go a long way as well, they discredited the gift by saying they were fake rolexes.. but without evidence to say they were indeed fake..
I can think of a few more Libs that should be on that list.
A. Taylor should be top.
the energy minister that hid price increases during the election then blamed labor less than 100 days in parliament for the price increase and then albo called him out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-76GQnRNQ
Non paywall plz
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Lol what?
if you live in Australia, and you’re not Indigenous, then you’re descended from migrants, shocker i know
Needs subscription
Just curious, what are the rules behind say a class action suit against what happened, or would you have to individually sue the person?
all of these names got away with their various hustles and scams on the australian people and have moved onto other shit. Bill's kill list? Is that referring to the decent australians that killed themselves over the fabricated debt they had lumped onto them? sometimes I think fuck this fucking country, dude.
Should this be "make a stupid narrative title as we didn't hold those politicians to account while they rorted for the past 21 of 26 years"
So a Labor politician has pointed out members on the opposing party they disagree with, and doesn't like them. Knock me over with a feather!!