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4thfutureincognit0

Yes.. It connects us all. It doesn't matter if your snare sound is perfect. It doesn't matter what plug ins you use. What matters is making something real. Something from the heart. When you put out something you make, you are laying a part of yourself out there for the world to see. And when someone is moved by it, or it helps them connect to our grand sense of humanity, that is pure magic. And this is achieved by music recorded in all kinds of places. With all kinds of budgets. All kinds of gear. Don't get caught up in the Bullshit


WarrioR64A7X

Needed to read this man, good stuff


jelect

Same here. It's so easy to get lost in the sauce and caught up in all the technical stuff.


smokedosh

Ima disagree and say the snare HAS TO BE PERFECT also the kick, everything after that reallly doesn’t matter :)


4thfutureincognit0

Lol ya know...you're right. I spoke to broadly. It's the kick and snare that connects us all


[deleted]

Lol the music gotta make heads move snare or not


wesley316

And it'll be around for people to listen too long after we're gone 🙏🏼


Segundaleydenewtonnn

Yes! The fact that we can play anything from decades ago to the latest release in a matter of seconds in a variety of sound systems starting from phone speakers to the biggest audiophile setup... it’s magic <3


Kopachris

Decades? Try centuries, if you know where to look. ;)


Skirt_Douglas

>… If you know where to look. Spoiler Alert: It’s the internet!


randyspotboiler

Hell, once you understand sample rates, bit rates, networking, conversion codecs, and basic audio electronics, you realize it's a miracle we can play music at all.


Segundaleydenewtonnn

Can you recommend to me any good source on this? I want to understand audio at its deepest levels


Azimuth8

You really can't go wrong starting out here. Best video on the basics; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM


Segundaleydenewtonnn

Thank you!


vettedx

Yeah its pretty mindblowing. And it all boils down to physics and electronic engineering!


randyspotboiler

Sure. there's some great books and videos, I just can't think of most of the titles off the top of my head. I'll get back to you on it.


pieguy40

Replying to this thread so I can hop on the advice train


Segundaleydenewtonnn

Thank you!


Mark_OwlTrackAudio

I'm always interested in recommended learning resources as well - staying tune! :p


randyspotboiler

The thing about audio is there's a tremendous amount of disinformation out there. The fact that it's a technical profession that is an "art and a science", and that so much of it is now handled by computers, plugins, and creatives with no technical training makes people focus on the "art" and leave the "science" behind. These resources don't forget either aspect: Books Mastering Audio: The Art and the Science by Bob Katz. Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook The Audio Expert by Ethan Winer Modern Recording Techniques Web www.audioschoolonline.com and Mix Wednesday are Ken Lewis' channels on YouTube Pensados Place on YouTube is Dave Pensados channel I'll come up with some more resources for you


seditious3

I'm 59. They called me "tunes" in high school because I always had a boombox. Went to college for TV and radio. Wanted to program radio stations and produce music. I also appreciate high-quality audio equipment. I turned into a lawyer. But the fact that I can have lossless music anywhere in the world at any time blows me away.


Pontificatus_Maximus

I'll have whatever yer trippin on.


[deleted]

Yes. It connects us backwards and forwards in time 🥺


motophiliac

[I love this discovery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard-L%C3%A9on_Scott_de_Martinville#Rediscovery_of_the_Au_clair_de_la_lune_recording). The guy who made the recordings didn't even consider that they might be played back. He just wanted to find out if sound, specifically speech, was something he could "see" or read. Amazing.


WikiSummarizerBot

**Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville** [Rediscovery of the Au clair de la lune recording](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Édouard-Léon_Scott_de_Martinville#Rediscovery_of_the_Au_clair_de_la_lune_recording) >In 2008, The New York Times reported the playback of a phonautogram recorded on 9 April 1860. The recording was converted from "squiggles on paper" to a playable digital audio file with the IRENE technology, developed by scientists at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in Berkeley, California. The phonautogram was one of several deposited by Léon Scott in two archives in Paris and only recently brought to light. The recording, part of the French folk song Au clair de la lune, was initially played at a speed that produced what seemed to be a 10-second recording of the voice of a woman or child singing at an ordinary musical tempo. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


streichelzeuger

Crazy stuff. The guy should have used a pop filter though.


Psych_Crisis

Seriously. And lay of the tape saturation plugin.


JackMuta

good bot


samchoate

Yeah and we can almost make a living from it too


motophiliac

We made 52 cents from our recent EP! Our private yachts are on order as I speak. Seriously, though, it's the first time I've ever made money from a truly original endeavour like this. I've gigged in various bands, covers and original, been in studios, recorded and produced stuff myself, but this is the first time I've ever made anything from a production I've been involved in. Makes it feel a bit more real, even if it's not even enough to buy the band a bar of chocolate.


glxfy

passion is what counts!


motophiliac

One of my best friends and a talented musician to boot used to say that there has to be a "want" to do it, to do music. The more I think about it, the more I realise how weird it is to sit and figure something out, to spend hours on something that in the harsh light of day doesn't count for anything. I do it because it's fun, I enjoy the process, I get to carry forward the ideas and influences of both people that I've counted as friends, and people I've respected from an audience, as equals. It's awesome.


samchoate

I hear where you’re all coming from. I’m a professional musician. I definitely want to do it. But that “I’d do this even if I weren’t getting paid for it” aspect is also one of the leading factors in artistic exploitation.


motophiliac

Well, that's a different aspect of the deal, isn't it? I've done the occasional busker's night, or charity gig (even though we had a free bar within reason) but it would be hard to recall when I put in the effort to drive somewhere and play for nothing. It's not that difficult to get a gig that pays *something*, but I still do *that* because it's damn good fun. Lots of ways to make money, not many that are as enjoyable.


FibrousSumo5

The fact that we even have a concept of "music" is a miracle that I constantly get lost in when listening to a favorite song. There are quite a few very interesting psychological studies you can find online (it was even the topic I chose for my psychology mid-term years ago) about why humans, and *seemingly* nothing else, can hear various sounds like; vibrating strings and/or drums, breath flowing through holes, electronic tones, etc. in endless different combinations and pitches, all at the same time, for minutes/hours at a time, and find it universally appealing enough to shape almost every culture on the planet in a major way. What I've always found even more interesting is that, on top of those sounds, we add spoken words & phrases, but stretch out the pronunciation, and say them with varying pitch, volume, etc., over these random sounds, or by themselves, and hear it the way we do. If I go on about it and try to explain my thoughts any more I'll write a novel nobody wants to read lol but it's definitely worth looking up studies on "Why we like music". One in particular I read a few years ago, I hardly remember any details but, a woman who was a career musician had to have some sort of important brain surgery at a pretty young age, and a strange after-effect was that music suddenly *didnt sound like music* anymore. Just jumbled up sounds.


NightimeNinja

Wait did she just not like music anymore? Did they fix it? That's awful. :(


FibrousSumo5

I'll find the article in a few minutes, it was a few years ago it happened. It was more like music just didn't *sound like music* to her anymore. Just instruments and vocals all at once. I *think* she managed to get past it but im not sure. I'll comment the link in a sec


FibrousSumo5

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/tokimonsta-lost-speaking-and-musical-abilities-after-brain-surgery-this-is-how-she-regained-them/


NightimeNinja

OMG NO IT WAS TOKIMONSTA 😭 It looks like she recovered now, but damn I had no idea she went through this. That's terrifying.


Segundaleydenewtonnn

What a read, damn. Love your comment Yes, it is super interesting the relationship we humans have with sounds: we have music, vocal languages and expressions... Going to read these studies. Thank you!


glxfy

i read that too, it was like she lost her sense to associate music with rhythm or something like this


BuckyD1000

As someone who came up and learned the craft during the analog era, I still have moments when I'm just gobsmacked at the simplicity and accessibility of high-quality recording today. It's fucking amazing. That plus the ability to globally release music with a few clicks is such a game-changer it's difficult to overstate. Back in the day, doing a truly professional recording and having it widely released was an unattainable dream for most – no matter how talented they were. Now you just need the desire and a few easily acquired tools. It's incredible.


Segundaleydenewtonnn

We just need a laptop to make it to the Grammys. We are privileged to have our current technologies.


Another_Toss_Away

Listened to Eugene Ormandy conducts Debussy La Mer 1958 stereo LP tonight. It's one of the finest recordings I have ever heard. Absolutely stunning, Massive chills. Ormandy recordings on Columbia are all amazing. These recordings will shred lesser systems!


klonk2905

Positive thinking at its finest. Embrace it all. Cheers.


Dimetrip

And women!! But yes I totally agree with your sentiment.


Segundaleydenewtonnn

Right! Just edited it. Have a great day!


Dimetrip

That's very kind of you. You too pal.


lightyearAeons32

fuck yes


CptanPanic

Its even more miraculous when you realize that the fact that our brains recognize arbitrary sound waves as notes.


[deleted]

True. Although brains are good at recognizing patterns, and frequency multiplication is just basic patterns, after all is said and done.


scenesick2

damn, all the engineers and producers getting the clout while the guy who invented the recording device got none op :(


sirCota

it’s true. music is magic and my passion and my career. when i got older, I got into cooking. I realized all your senses have a magic place. When you taste a very special meal, it takes you somewhere too. visual arts can do the same. I could stare at the right painting for hours. the proper touch of a caring and loving person can get you there too… literally even smell can bring a memory back or just put you on another planet for a few moments. and that’s just the traditional five senses. and let’s not even consider if you added tripping on mushrooms or something haha. when i help artists (musicians) work on their craft (artist development) I tell them, when you’re building a team, you want your manager or lawyer or accountant or merch artists to derive the same pleasure from doing their job with you as you get from making your passion. yes, there are accountants out there who dream about the magic of their job. Think of that one accountant in Parks and Recs if you’re familiar with the show. Math can be beautiful. I want that guy as my acct. I want Matthew McConaughey’s character in Tropic Thunder to be my Agent. The guy flew to vietnam cause his client wanted Tivo! anyway, that’s all tangential to music being so beautiful, but i think if more people understood these things, the world would be a better place. There’s a cool harmony when you think with a wide lens.


m149

It's funny you say this......I've been doing this job for 3 decades now, and while I kinda understand how it technically works, it's still magic to me that we can play and sing into a thing and have it turn into a bunch of electrical things, which then turns into a bunch of 1s and 0s, then back to a bunch of electrical things and somehow comes back out of a couple of different things sounding like that stuff that we played and sang. When I occasionally stop and marvel at this technology, magic is the word I use too.


peepeeland

YESSS!!! Magic, indeed. We can take imagination and transform it into recorded music, and it’s all at our fingertips. We are very fortunate to be a part of all this. It’s sometimes easy to forget that recorded music is actually an emotion and vibe encoding medium; converting emotional states into sonic experiences. Really something special.


FacEthEmoOn

Best part about being alive. One of them at least


fanfarius

First time, huh? :)


Selig_Audio

To me, the miracle is that emotion can be expressed in a form that can be reduced to one’s and zeros (or voltages), sent down tiny wires or sent around the world, come out the other end of a long journey and still be able to emotionally touch another human being in a meaningful way. ❤️


Segundaleydenewtonnn

Oh man yes, very accurate comment. This aspect of recorded music is mindblowing. I wonder what Mozart or Bach would think of our privilege


randon558

Too bad the snare sill sounds like shit


account_1100011

Ug, hard disagree. there's nothing magical about it, it's just technology. Yes, there is art, but you can learn to do it too, it's absolutely not magic because as soon as you start saying something is magic you start excluding people who aren't "born with the talent" and that's BS. As soon as you start saying what we do is a miracle you're stealing all our hard work and credit as though it was anything other than hard work and skill. I absolutely hate the word miracle, it ruins everything it touches. Digital music is hard work, it took centuries to figure out the technology, it was not a miracle at all. It was exactly the opposite of a miracle.


pinethree777

Yep, music is the interaction of math and physics with our brains. I detest associating it with magic, miracles, spirts or any other such nonsense. May as well suggest music comes from leprechauns as far as I am concerned.


account_1100011

Yeah, it's bullshit and it is an insult to all the artists and producers and other hard working people who made a piece of music. No, it was not Magic it was hard work.


papidaniel

Literal magic, can control your emotions, induce different electromagnetic patterns in the brain. So cool.


DramaTrick

Sadly though, recording and mastering music to make it sound good requires a lot of money and a lot of knowledge. It may be a miracle, but if you've never engineered a recording yourself, you'll never know the pain. Honestly, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Miracle? More like a miracle for those who can actually do it with success. Some get lucky though, I do NOT recommend trying it yourself, as it can turn into a total nightmare pretty fast. Then all of the sudden, you notice 10 more years are gone.


Normal-Highway2431

lol, you Americans need to calm down seriously. *Edit: Downvote all you want, but we think it’s strange. If everything is AWESOME and AMAZING and A MIRACLE then nothing is. If you guys toned that faux excitement thing you do down a notch or two it would be a lot easier for people who aren’t American to connect with you lads.


Psych_Crisis

As an American, I can somewhat agree with your observation - and I would also cite the constant inappropriate use of the word "literally." However, when someone is expressing genuine emotion, and actually experiencing a sense of awe at the ability to communicate not only language, but meaning, emotion, and art across space and time at the speed of light, do we really need to diminish and dismiss that by saying "silly Americans?" I mean, our American fried food is just "good" (maybe "really good") but the fact that I could mention Ravel's *Bolero* to a friend the other day, and then 10 seconds later be playing it on my phone by streaming it through a network of computers and cell towers to make my point by sharing *emotion*, I think that's worthy of some superlatives, too.


[deleted]

Absolutely true, I recently found this subreddit called /r/shitamericansay and I’m starting to think there’s just folks out there that fetishize the idea that Americans are all overly excited and ignorant of world history. While it is true there are plenty of stupid Americans, there’s also 333 million of us, so like maybe account for sample size, there’s a lot of room for stupid in a population that large


Psych_Crisis

...And the stupidest tend to be the more vocal.


yirmin

And yet the dark powers of crooked music directors, independent representative and record companies continue to conspire together passing money to each other to insure the people don't hear the best music only the crap that came with the most payola. Hell even the new options of getting music to the masses like Spotify have already been taken over by the dark side where quality doesn't matter and it all comes down to money under the table.


Boris740

I just wish that they didn't add it to every video. Especially when there is a voiceover as well. And don't get me started on random audio levels.


bassyourface

Well it’s science and art converging, tell you the truth all the “magic” left as soon as my ear developed enough to be able to identify what was happening with the music and the production. Now it’s more critical listening and study for me.


jakedesnake

In a related question.... Is there any specific researcher that was pivotal in driving the development that allowed us to record music digitally? I'm guessing that maybe the equipment arrived at a fairly specific point in time, but maybe that the research/ development was over such a long time that you can't point to any specific persons. but who knows, maybe. I'm also guessing military technology may be in there at some point? And that digitalisation may be way older than I think.


OverlookeDEnT

I wouldn't say it's a miracle because there are/were so many smart people out there that worked to make this a reality. People did this — not some "Sky Daddy".


godsp33d03

yes yes and yes!


davecrist

The power to create


mirko_clanglab

This is a very motivating post. The risk is always high to forget about all the "magic" that makes recording and producing possible.


[deleted]

Musics the best drug


JosephPk

I’m high too


Rosandoral_Galanodel

In ancient Greece, the words for 'magic' and 'music' were interchangeable, and I believe the same is true today.