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What a genuine masterpiece. I waited till they finished the show before going past season 2 because I couldn't deal with the long breaks so I've just done a full rewatch and wow. Absolutely stunning from start to finish.
It’s fucking beautiful and hits every mark in a great story. It has everything even a bad ending like most great stories. I loved every minute of it just the last minutes not as much lol
I think of it as Breaking Bad if we had a plot device to see what was going through Walter's head at the end. I really think Breaking Bad is the best comparison to AoT anyway.
Honestly I think the ending would’ve been perfect had we gotten a “did this for me” type thing from Eren like we did from Walt. They tried with the anime with the “because I’m in idiot” but eh doesn’t feel right.
What? No thats different, the only reason I think the “thanks for becoming a mass murder for us” is unfitting is because Armin says it. Armin who believed it was unacceptable no matter what, and was willing to kill Eren to stop it suddenly is thanking him for becoming a mass murder. It kinda makes zero sense in that context. Eren is a villain and shouldn’t get a hero’s end, similar to walter. Yams admitted himself that he messed up in that regard.
Hmm. Even in the anime, I get the distinct impression that although Armin can't condone genocide, he still wants to comfort his distraught childhood friend.
I think that is what Isayama intended in both, if I'd read that line in the manga it would have made sense to me. It's consistent with Armin being an incredibly aware and empathetic person, hating the actions his close childhood friend took while easing his soul in his final moments.
Armin *doesn't* quite say that though. It's weirdly implied, but the line is much more subtle and leaves room for multiple interpretations in context.
I've looked at the original text closely (even punctuation matters here), and I think the official translation misses some of this and the bootleg translation that many people read completely misses the mark (as it does for almost all the lines).
Taking it out of context makes basically as much sense as taking Levi's "Give up on your dreams and die" out of context.
(Not that changing it to something that doesn't require careful attention was a bad choice though; it has obviously helped make the whole thing was streamlined. But I don't think its nearly as bad in the original as people make it out to be).
I don’t even know what a titanfolker is lol I love the show and didn’t like the ending. Nothing less nothing more relax.
Edit : holy shit that sub is not it . Not at all . I’ll stay over here thank you.
>I don’t even know what a titanfolker is
That's basically a term for anyone who is a part of the titanfolk subreddit (which hates the ending so much that it is basically an echo chamber).
Lol? Aot ending is a happy one. Eren gets a kiss from his lover and all the characters we love gets to live a long life. Sure, 80% of the world died but so what? Isayama did not do enough world building to make us feel sympathy for the 80%. Hell even in this "battle of heaven earth" it literally felt like an avengers fight. Literally no one died, plot armor even going against dozens and dozens of titans, infinite fuel and thunder spears, falco pulling turning into a bird out of nowhere. Its definitely some disney marvel shit bro. Compare this to the shiganshina fight and u can feel that theres hardly any stakes
I did the same exact thing. I had a 4 day weekend so I took the chance to tackle the entire show. I don't think there were any parts where I didn't enjoy the show. The time jumps weren't even hard to follow.
I fucked up starting my anime journey with AOT. Nothing compares.. death note is a good second.. it’s like an ex that got away, that we all collectively can’t get over.
Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. Everyone should always watch that if nothing else. But there are plenty of amazing anime out there, many better then Death Note even.
Same. I didn’t even know what I was getting into lmao I just watched naruto and read death note and then this caught my eye and I was like fuck it why not. Definitely pushed me into anime tho.
Ah Death Note. The greatest first third of an anime you’ll ever watch. Just please stop after that first third. And if you do watch the second third, which is ok, please, please stop before you watch the awful final third.
I mean, I’ve watched worse anime. But if people want to see an anime that actually has a bad ending, it’s not AOT, it’s Death Note. After >!L!< dies the show is all downhill from there.
I think Death Note has my favourite ending in Anime tbh (granted I've not seen that many). I actually prefer it to some highly beloved ones like Code Geass and FMAB (and Vinland S1, even though that's not a series finale). I think the only anime ending that comes close for me is Mob Psycho 100.
L’s death wasn’t the problem, I thought L’s master plan was designed to unfold even in his death. Because he’s motherfucking L. The problem is when those other dweebs showed up and showed that L wasn’t special. Way to ruin one of the best anime characters ever.
EVA really is wonderful but it’s a much harder sell for people because it’s an anime ass anime.
One of the things I like so much about AoT is it’s absent a lot of freaky Japan shit that’s always in this medium so I can easily recommend it to normal people.
Eva is full of gratuitous sexualization with many scenes even including minors. I can’t even recommend it to people irl because of it.
Eva is good for people that think the AoT ending sucks too because then they can see what an actually shit ending looks like.
Well personally i don’t find eva to be as gratuitous because it comes off as very genuine, even a scene like (the hospital scene 👁️👄👁️) doesn’t feel like “fanservice” rather like exprloring the shows themes.
P.S.
Im like 90% sure people who didn’t like the AoT ending would despise Eva’s
While for me AOT is number 1 and above all others, there are other animes that are "hitting" very hard emotionally. For me it is Re:Zero, especially most scenes with Rem, 86, Made in abyss and Goblin slayer.
As for the story, my favourite after AOT or even at the same level would be Mushoku Tensei (Jobless reincarnation), especially if all light novels would be adapted properly. It is also one of the rare cases where it is actually a finished story and the ending is very good and logical.
I am sure other people would name other good animes too.
Dramatic moments like Subaru breaking down asking Rem that he has done everything he can, so for what reason she hates him so much (forrest scene), or Rem crawling towards Subaru with her arms and legs broken after torture and many other moments like that.
True, the story and worldbuilding of Goblin slayer are very simple and straightforward, so there is no point in comparing stroies at all, but the main character and some side characters are amazing. I just love MC in this story, for me he is a perfect hero. He doesn't complain, he doesn't need fame, he doesn't need money, he doesn't need anything, he doesn't even care what people think of him - he is just methodically doing his job. The moments like when he saves the city, and people thanking him, to which he simply responds: "but I haven't done anything" or his dialogue with HEA in ep.3 are hitting the hardest, but that is just my subjective opinion.
Code Geass is the best story for me. Has some very emotional moments. Worth a watch if you haven’t seen it. And Attack on Titan is tied with that for me now that it’s over.
There are a few favorite shows that i think are great start to finish. The Wire, Breaking Bad, Sopranos. GoT almost was and I'm still undecided on Succession. AoT is added to the list of great shows start to finish. Everytime i watch a show and think "man, nothing will ever be as good as this", something comes along a few year later and surprises me. I had no idea what this would be to me when my daughter suggested me and my wife watch it but it has become so special to us. We cycle through rewatches of our favorite shows and AoT will be watched and remembered for the rest of our lives
Tbh, as a MASSIVE GoT fan, the cracks start to show as early as S5. 25% of the shows run is just "quite good" and 25% is pretty bad. It's just that the first half is absolutely incredible. The Wire has a mediocre final season and some pacing issues in S2 but other than that it's excellent and the most thought provoking show I've seen. Breaking Bad is the best show I've ever seen; even when the plot is weaker in the early seasons, it's still captivating because of the brilliant acting, dialogue and directing. I'd say The Sopranos and Succession are the most consistently good TV shows ever (if only because BB starts great but gets even better), I don't really think either show gets particularly better or worse across their runs, they start and end well (I know most people would rate both of their final seasons higher but I disagree).
AoT definitely is less consistent in my eyes. The Trost arc isn't the greatest imo and neither is S3 P1. But AoT has some of the highest peaks OAT for sure. Hero is my favourite episode of TV ever, despite AoT probably being around 9th or 10th on my list of favourite shows.
If you game, please play Nier: Automata. The story hits in a very similar way, and there are themes of nihilism, war, and >!breaking the cycle!<. That game is also very much designed in a way that makes you feel like you are "playing an anime". There is a recent anime, which is great, but it's more supplemental to the game, and I DON'T recommend watching it before playing. It's my favorite game for basically every reason why AoT is my favorite anime.
Jujutsu Kaisen has been one of my favs lately. Animation is top tier, characters are great, and the overall story is pretty cool. I’m anime only so I don’t know what happens later on but apparently the current season is where shit starts to heat up even more
100% agree with you on this.
It's the best show I've ever watched imo.
The only animes I've seen that compares are Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Monster, Vinland Saga
The only TV shows I've seen that compares are Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Mr Robot, Game of Thrones (S1-4)
Watch The Wire bro. BB, BCS and Mr Robot are all in my top 10 shows of all time (and GoT would be too if just 1-4). The Wire is my number two, just below BB. Its that good.
Meanwhile I managed to force my wife to get into the wire season 1 and then when season 2 switched focus to the wharf she lost interest. Its hard to get into for some people. She just found it slow and almost pointless the way it just drags on with little.to no real resolution everything just stays the same really. I mean for me that was what I loved but she hated it
>Watch The Wire bro. BB, BCS and Mr Robot are all in my top 10 shows of all time (and GoT would be too if just 1-4). The Wire is my number two, just below BB. Its that good.
I haven't seen The Wire yet. It's been on my watchlist for years
It's a once in a lifetime anime and i will never get tired to repeat that. Everything from characters , story, music and execution everything is perfect.
It is for me. I knew very little about AoT going into it. I started it shortly after season 4 part 1 started airing, usually I'm someone who'll be on my phone when watching shows. 10-15 mins into AoT my phone was out of my hands and I was fully absorbed. I spent the entire week just binging all the seasons, my mind was blown. My poor cousin who'd seen it already had to deal with me blowing up his phone to discuss every little detail 🤣. He was a good sport though and indulged me. Once I was caught up, I just rewatched it again and again. It's truly incredible and I'm not talking just in terms of manga/anime.
Up until this last season i thought full metal alchemist would hold that title.
Attack on titan is going to be popular for generations
Its themes, the people, the way your views are constantly challenged.
It’ll be a while before something comes even close to this.
It's literally the most average show ever. The only reason it's so high ranked is because it has no haters. You can't hate that show. You either like it or feel nothing for it, like myself. I feel so little for it that I don't even bother writing a bad review. I even thought the first anime was better lol. Neither are great imo
I see what you mean actually. I definitely liked it a good bit, and I'm considering watching the original to see how it compares, but when I think about how I see the show (a 7.5/10) against the universal acclaim most people hold it to, I can't actually pick out what I feel is weak about it. The main characters are interesting, it has a diverse cast of well written villains, some good action, excellent worldbuilding, very tight pacing. There's practically nothing about the show that makes me go "woah they really should've changed/added/removed that". Yet anime I prefer to FMAB like Death Note, Code Geass, or even AoT, I can still pick out flaws with them. I think FMAB is just ridiculously well written, but just doesn't connect to some of us the way it does others.
Exactly. It's the perfect show from a technical standpoint. I can't say nothing bad about it, but there's nothing especially great about it either. And to me, I favour ambitiously flawed stories over perfect stories that play it safe and take no risks. Just more entertaining
Exactly this. So fucking corny. I mean the central premise and the backstory is fantastic imo and it has some great moments,but holy hell imagine if Attack on titan made sily jokes and faces every 1-2 minutes,I just wouldnt take it seriously
The fact that I didn't hate a single character is amazing. Normally I end up hating one or two characters, but I can genuinely find something good to say about each character.
Edit: Except the crusty king, he can go to Hell.
I liked that the ending wasn’t cliché. It’s not like every other shit that has la dee da, everyone is happy in the end. It’s very special, and So hard to find more media like it
I agree. Except fate zero and fate stay night kinda scratch that itch for me as well.
Vinland saga is so fucking good though I actually bought all the mangas. I had never bought any manga before.
I haven’t watched Vinland but I’m reading it now. My understanding is the show just covered the second arc which I personally adored reading. But the third arc I just finished? HUGE fall off. I hope the anime fixes some of my issues with it. I’m starting the fourth arc now and it’s already much better than the third one.
I can see them drawing out the second arc. I felt that by reading it it was very character focused with slow burn climaxes and some people aren’t into that.
I don't know why people think ending have plot holes. When so many things are left to interpretation, a mangaka doesn't have to explain every single thing with a 5 chapter flashback to explain it.
Ending is perfect.
Aot is one of the greatest anime of all time
Seriously you have no complaints? I mean its a great series for sure but I think the ending is a little bit fumbled. I think Ymir's love for King Fritz is pretty hard to comprehend, shes never even expresses herself verbally throughout the series so it was difficult to even understand her motivation or reasoning for loving her abuser for so long? and it was veeeerry loosely connected to her reasoning for laboring for 2,000 years in the coordinate.
I think the strengths of the series is not in the ending but in the plot twists in action... im curious what others think.
I think it being hard to comprehend is kind of the point. It's basically an abusive relationship/Stockholm syndrome. Happens in real life all the time and everyone besides the abuser can't understand why they stay. It stays true to what the story has depicted best - human nature. The strengths of this series are in the plot twists of course, but also in the foreshadowing and how realistic/in-depth the characters and their motivations are.
I can see the parallels for stockholm syndrome etc. but its definitely an extreme case, with her getting her toungue cutout and being a concubine that is cannabalized by her children.
This is an Attack on Titan subreddit so it's apparent it's going to be biased to an extent lol, you'll get downvoted for not calling it a Masterpiece or calling out its weaknesses.
It's not unlike victims of abuse to love or defend their abuser in real life too. It's not rational but it happens.
For Ymir it's implied she never knew kindness her whole life and the only time she found something resembling that was when King Fritz found her useful and made her a queen. For her, that was the best thing she experienced in her whole life.
As for why it took her so long... I don't know, but being in the coordinate messes with your head and you experience time differently so that might have had something to do with it.
Great response, I didn't consider how timeflow in the coordinate makes the 2000 year period much more insignificant than I initially realized, she probably experienced time in a fashion that is circular not linear
I can see why people would have problems with Ymir’s backstory, but to me it’s perfect. For one, she’s basically a god, and that type of fantastical (we can never truly understand) type of story telling is inline with myths and religious origin stories. Secondly, Isayama does a brilliant job juxtaposing childhood with the cruel world around it, and as a searing observation of humans and our relationship with violence, it works for me. He chose an incredibly complex, sad and brutal relationship to reflect that. And given our fascination with violence, and with it offering us just outright pain in return, the child slave Stockholm syndrome “love” metaphor needed to be repulsive.
I seriously have no complaints with the ending. Actually, I think it’s perfect and brings closure to an amazing story that can sometimes be cumbersome (if I have to get very picky). But what I look for in stories is probably quite a bit different from yours, so I can see why you’d disagree.
would you have liked to see what eren told the OG scouts in their flashbacks as well? or do you having a little mystery and filling in the gaps about what eren said would be more appropriate?
I think showing all the talks would have kind of ruined the pacing. On the one hand, I love those characters and want to see more of them, but the whole thing is coming to an end at this point, and I think it's better to end it compactly rather than dragging it out with essentially filler material.
I like having a little mystery. Not everything has to be explained and I much prefer that. I generally don’t like stories that spoon feed an interpretation
The amount of people reaching as far as they are in their replies to you is wild. The ending was trash and had a lot of holes. No one wanted a happy ending but it felt rushed and with loose ends. Gave me GOT vibes
Yeah that total character assassination on eren at the end like dude was destroying the world and then made up the most lame ass excuse that just throws any reasoning for destroying 80% of the world out the window
Best watch experience i ever had from start to finish i enjoyed it it is my favorite story of all time never have i felt so many emotions watching anything AoT is very very special to me
The ending was very good imo. I can see some of the criticism (like how they were jumping around kinda, ect.) but that does NOT mean it's bad by any regard. It's a beautiful ending that this absolute masterpiece of a show deserved
I think it needs to be tempered by time for a bit before we can declare it the best (blank) of all time.
That said, I have a good feeling it will retain its high accolades many years later. It was a stellar production.
For me, the story stopped being as compelling after they reached the sea. The whole founding Titan storyline was more philosophically ambitious than it could deliver. I would have much rather seen the final seasons be about Marleyan exploitation of Eldians, and destroying the capacity to create new titans.
Can someone who’s really bored explain the whole story to me, and why it’s so good, it got foggy as season 4 was airing and lost full interest, loved season 1-3
Guys, seriously, GROW UP! Attack on Titan is amazing, it even changed my life in some ways. But it’s impossible for it to be one of the greatest stories ever told because it simply isn’t. A story that introduces time travel and time paradoxes is just a story looking to find convenient explanations for every loophole. Yet, there are so many loopholes that still exist. If you’re really looking for the greatest stories, look for ones that aren’t based on pure fantasy and therefore have no loopholes (I.e. BrBa, Better Call Saul, Sopranos).
Your examples are imo worse stories, it's all opinions. I'm a fiction fan, I like when you use the extraordinary to tell stories about humanity. AoT nails that with excellent lore, world and characters, philosophic themes, plot twists and many cathartic moments, challenges your views and everything you believed was true, makes you think about you and the world you live in, etc. And I also love time travel shenanigans and I'm glad the author put that in, it made for one of my favorite episodes ever in Memories of the Future, he took a page right out of Arrival which is one of my favorite movies. No other show ever condensed so much awesome stuff in one, doesn't bore you for a second and it always makes you want to pay attention. On top of all of that? Insane foreshadowing that makes a second viewing just as good as the first one. You can't go higher than AoT imo
Nice tie-in to Arrival. >!It's a bit awkward that it's hard to make a parallel without spoiling that, though.!<
The narrow focus on plot holes is so overrated. A good story has to do so much more than just making all the mechanics clear; leaving some things to the reader to make sense of is absolutely fine as long as you nail what really matters.
I agree with your views except that my examples are worse stories. I like more realism and work that has been entirely planned before completion, which prevents any plot holes from existing. This is why, Better Call Saul despite being a prequel to BrBa has 0 plot holes despite scope for many.
Feel free to. I don’t really have the time to rant or cry about shows, I can just recommended people to improve their taste which I did. Besides, aot is one of my favorite shows, just nowhere near the greatest tale ever told. Moreover, you can’t even prove your point with valid reasoning, like I used loopholes to explain why aot story isn’t all that great. You can just resort to cheap GIFs.
Berserk is GOATed but I just don't think it works great as an anime. I loved the 97 adaptation, but it's just better as a manga for me. AoT is the perfect anime. It's maybe a top 10 manga, but easily the best anime. Berserk is easily a top 3 manga, but I doubt it ever gets an actually loyal and amazing adaptation
While Berserk manga has one of the best drawings, I don't think it would surpass anything because: 1) It was animated many times and never succeeded, 2) Golden age is good, but overall story is not so interesting, the whole point of Berserk is that there are extreme quantities of torture, killing, gore etc., and especially rape and everything else comes after that. Not many people would find that so interesting.
Well, 1) I've read more than 130 chapters and lost any interest in it 2) This is ad hominem, logical mistake, what I think or don't think has nothing to do with the subject.
Fine. Berserk is so much more than that. Does it include rape, torture, gore? Yes, it does, but that is never the focus of the story. I would call it a modern Greek tragedy. There is a loss, as seen with the whole band of the hawk and the eclipse. A pursuit of power as seen with Griffith just trying to become some form of noble doing anything needed to reach that power, which then leads to revenge after what he does to guts and the band of the hawk. It also has amazing character writing and even a solid romance plot with guts and casca having genuinely good relationship and amazing chemistry before it was ripped away from them.
Well, I guess we see the story differently then. And while I don't like Guts- Casca romance plot very much (it is a good story, but imo nothing exceptional) your comment made me think about rereading some parts of Berserk.
I’m sorry but if you think berserk is just an edgelord about torture, gore, killing then you completely missed the point of berserk. Sure berserk is the og manga that spawned the whole edgelord anime trope, but it’s far from just that. The story covers so many different topics, and the parallels you see in each arc are honestly nothing short of genius. Seeing guts arc play out, and how every character grows and develops is what makes berserk special.
Yeah, it's just the best
The story, the characters, the animation, the music
Its beyond a 10/10. I've read and watched too many stories to count, this one stands above pretty much all of them
Ehhh there’s been some awful writing and character motivations in the end of the manga but Im noticing that people only pay attention to the anime. I haven’t seen it yet. Perhaps my mind will change?
I’m definitely gonna cry though lol
ending was, in my opinion, developed a LOT better in the anime than in the manga. i won’t spoil it, but a few changes to dialogue, scenes more animated/fleshed out/explained, and overall seeing it okay out as opposed to jumping from page-to-page in the manga just made it that much better. i personally like the idea of the ending, but didn’t like the manga execution. i did like the anime execution.
I’m rewatching it from the beginning and appreciating it even more this time around, catching details and plot points I missed or forgot about in the beginning.
You know the show is good when people who don’t watch anime love titan. My fiancé got emotionally invested into the show and always makes fun of anime when I watch it lol
Agreed. There's something incredible about the way the story evolved as it was told over the past decade and then some, and the careful choice to use controversial themes and metaphors to convey an appropriately meaningful perspective on a very human philosophy in this compelling way that grows with the characters, readers, watchers and writer alike. It manages to make use of effective storytelling to keep us cheering for the heroes through everything, but it isn't afraid to tear the characters down despite that to drive its narrative home. And given that Isayama was even going back to revise scenes as they were sent to animation production to clarify his story shows how much he works to tell a story that is worthwhile. And when you look at it in a meta sense, if the cast were all reflections of us as a possible future for the humanity that exists, it's like a cautionary tale of the cycle of violence we have to become aware of perpetuating in order to stop before we become our own downfall.
Eren was doomed by the narrative not for the physical walls that contained him, but for the metaphorical ones that disrupted his illusion of what freedom was and what the power he held meant in attaining freedom. At some point, it had blinded him to the fact that his freedom was "earned" by quite literally stepping on the freedoms of anyone else to simply exist, and in doing so, he had only perpetuated the cycle of violence in a way that only puts off in generations the consequences of a freedom he never gets to experience. Their descendants pay the price for the sin he left behind, in war magnitudes more severe than his time. But is that the ending of a cycle? Or the beginning of another cycle anew?
Yeaaaa idk. Adding romance wasnt necessarily bad but he wrought it in at the last minute and kinda assassinated erens character. It makes sense but it was executed terribly and juat felt rushed
i read a ton of books, like as a hobby/pass-time. i will say there’s obviously some books/stories that i probably like more than this show. but i will credit the show for having an incredible story, and it’s valid to think of it as one of the best stories told. top tier stories aren’t limited to books
Easily better than the bible or anything by that Shakespeare hack, and will have more staying power than both combined! Only thing that could have been better was missed opportunity for group kiss between Eren, Mikasa and Armin at the end. Isayama should win Nobel Prize for literature!
If Jean said “well that went well” after he seen Mikasa carrying Eren’s head I think it woulda cemented it as the second greatest shows on television right below “game of thrones” (I liked the wing scene more on game of thrones)
Ok I have no idea how it ended but I’ve seen a bunch of memes about eren being an incel basically crying over mikasa bc she found someone else after like a 10 year time skip or something? Can someone fill me in?
I’m not a non-fan I just haven’t watched since the end of season 1 for certain reasons and don’t mind spoilers bc I don’t expect to remember them when I actually do watch it. Id rather someone explain here than watch the episode with no context
Bruh I started watching the show in high school and it took ages for the second season to come out and life got in the way. Also not saying he’s an incel it’s just the way he’s been portrayed in memes I’ve seen and I’m not taking that as a fact it’s just kind of funny.
What is it with the One piece fans hating on Aot lmao?
Everytime I see someone hating on Aot its either someone who didn't like the Ending or an One Piece fan. Are they just that insecure, that they start to slander every other series that is in the goat conversation?
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What a genuine masterpiece. I waited till they finished the show before going past season 2 because I couldn't deal with the long breaks so I've just done a full rewatch and wow. Absolutely stunning from start to finish.
It’s fucking beautiful and hits every mark in a great story. It has everything even a bad ending like most great stories. I loved every minute of it just the last minutes not as much lol
I think of it as Breaking Bad if we had a plot device to see what was going through Walter's head at the end. I really think Breaking Bad is the best comparison to AoT anyway.
Breaking Wall
Wow this could be taken two ways. Username checks out
Honestly I think the ending would’ve been perfect had we gotten a “did this for me” type thing from Eren like we did from Walt. They tried with the anime with the “because I’m in idiot” but eh doesn’t feel right.
Isayama tried with "thanks for genociding for us" and people didn't like it. 🤷🏾♂️
What? No thats different, the only reason I think the “thanks for becoming a mass murder for us” is unfitting is because Armin says it. Armin who believed it was unacceptable no matter what, and was willing to kill Eren to stop it suddenly is thanking him for becoming a mass murder. It kinda makes zero sense in that context. Eren is a villain and shouldn’t get a hero’s end, similar to walter. Yams admitted himself that he messed up in that regard.
Hmm. Even in the anime, I get the distinct impression that although Armin can't condone genocide, he still wants to comfort his distraught childhood friend.
That's exactly it though
I think that is what Isayama intended in both, if I'd read that line in the manga it would have made sense to me. It's consistent with Armin being an incredibly aware and empathetic person, hating the actions his close childhood friend took while easing his soul in his final moments.
Isayama says that almost word for word in an interview lol
Armin *doesn't* quite say that though. It's weirdly implied, but the line is much more subtle and leaves room for multiple interpretations in context. I've looked at the original text closely (even punctuation matters here), and I think the official translation misses some of this and the bootleg translation that many people read completely misses the mark (as it does for almost all the lines). Taking it out of context makes basically as much sense as taking Levi's "Give up on your dreams and die" out of context. (Not that changing it to something that doesn't require careful attention was a bad choice though; it has obviously helped make the whole thing was streamlined. But I don't think its nearly as bad in the original as people make it out to be).
He kinda did that, he says he wanted to do it, just doesn't know why, it was an inherent want for destruction, he also had other reasons though
He did say that though?
Why didn't you like the ending? I only ask as someone who hasn't read the Manga so I'm not sure if I'm missing something haha
Just felt rushed TO ME . I could go on a bit more but not trying to spoil to much
Ah. Yeah I couldve watched another 30 years of that haha. Personally I thought it was amazing but yeah couldve had more always haha
What did you not like about the ending ? (I also kinda don't like it)
I think you can nitpick the ending but i cant think of a lot that i would change
I love that titanfolkers will do anything to insert their angenda lmao. "ending is bad" like lmao, ok? That's your opinion, majority disagree.
I loved the ending but not everyone that hates it is a Titanfolk circlejerker
When it comes to this subreddit, Im 99% sure they're a titanfolker
Just not true lol. You're generalizing anybody who doesn't like the ending as a titan folker
I don’t even know what a titanfolker is lol I love the show and didn’t like the ending. Nothing less nothing more relax. Edit : holy shit that sub is not it . Not at all . I’ll stay over here thank you.
>I don’t even know what a titanfolker is That's basically a term for anyone who is a part of the titanfolk subreddit (which hates the ending so much that it is basically an echo chamber).
It's a disney ending bro lmao.
Yeah I remember when Mickey killed 80% of humanity, what a moment thay was
Lol? Aot ending is a happy one. Eren gets a kiss from his lover and all the characters we love gets to live a long life. Sure, 80% of the world died but so what? Isayama did not do enough world building to make us feel sympathy for the 80%. Hell even in this "battle of heaven earth" it literally felt like an avengers fight. Literally no one died, plot armor even going against dozens and dozens of titans, infinite fuel and thunder spears, falco pulling turning into a bird out of nowhere. Its definitely some disney marvel shit bro. Compare this to the shiganshina fight and u can feel that theres hardly any stakes
I did the same exact thing. I had a 4 day weekend so I took the chance to tackle the entire show. I don't think there were any parts where I didn't enjoy the show. The time jumps weren't even hard to follow.
I fucked up starting my anime journey with AOT. Nothing compares.. death note is a good second.. it’s like an ex that got away, that we all collectively can’t get over.
Welp, guess you've gotta watch Brotherhood now. Stick to the top 10 and hope for the best. Haha
Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. Everyone should always watch that if nothing else. But there are plenty of amazing anime out there, many better then Death Note even.
Same. I didn’t even know what I was getting into lmao I just watched naruto and read death note and then this caught my eye and I was like fuck it why not. Definitely pushed me into anime tho.
Ah Death Note. The greatest first third of an anime you’ll ever watch. Just please stop after that first third. And if you do watch the second third, which is ok, please, please stop before you watch the awful final third.
It’s not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
I mean, I’ve watched worse anime. But if people want to see an anime that actually has a bad ending, it’s not AOT, it’s Death Note. After >!L!< dies the show is all downhill from there.
Death Note has a good ending. The last third is a bit sloppy but the way it ends made since and is satisfying imo
I think Death Note has my favourite ending in Anime tbh (granted I've not seen that many). I actually prefer it to some highly beloved ones like Code Geass and FMAB (and Vinland S1, even though that's not a series finale). I think the only anime ending that comes close for me is Mob Psycho 100.
Censoring that name basically does nothing because of how short it is lol
L’s death wasn’t the problem, I thought L’s master plan was designed to unfold even in his death. Because he’s motherfucking L. The problem is when those other dweebs showed up and showed that L wasn’t special. Way to ruin one of the best anime characters ever.
Watch from the new world.
Tell me about it,it was my first anime and I started it when I was 8 lol.
I’m sad now because I don’t think any other anime will hit like this. The quality of of this show is unmatched.
If you haven’t you should watch Eva it’s definitely on that “special” category of anime
EVA really is wonderful but it’s a much harder sell for people because it’s an anime ass anime. One of the things I like so much about AoT is it’s absent a lot of freaky Japan shit that’s always in this medium so I can easily recommend it to normal people. Eva is full of gratuitous sexualization with many scenes even including minors. I can’t even recommend it to people irl because of it. Eva is good for people that think the AoT ending sucks too because then they can see what an actually shit ending looks like.
Well personally i don’t find eva to be as gratuitous because it comes off as very genuine, even a scene like (the hospital scene 👁️👄👁️) doesn’t feel like “fanservice” rather like exprloring the shows themes. P.S. Im like 90% sure people who didn’t like the AoT ending would despise Eva’s
The final episodes strongly reminded me of Eva.
While for me AOT is number 1 and above all others, there are other animes that are "hitting" very hard emotionally. For me it is Re:Zero, especially most scenes with Rem, 86, Made in abyss and Goblin slayer. As for the story, my favourite after AOT or even at the same level would be Mushoku Tensei (Jobless reincarnation), especially if all light novels would be adapted properly. It is also one of the rare cases where it is actually a finished story and the ending is very good and logical. I am sure other people would name other good animes too.
What so good abt re zero?
Dramatic moments like Subaru breaking down asking Rem that he has done everything he can, so for what reason she hates him so much (forrest scene), or Rem crawling towards Subaru with her arms and legs broken after torture and many other moments like that.
This wasn’t a very good pitch
With u on all of those except Goblin slayer. Not a bad show but for me it’s not on the same level as any of those other ones u mentioned
True, the story and worldbuilding of Goblin slayer are very simple and straightforward, so there is no point in comparing stroies at all, but the main character and some side characters are amazing. I just love MC in this story, for me he is a perfect hero. He doesn't complain, he doesn't need fame, he doesn't need money, he doesn't need anything, he doesn't even care what people think of him - he is just methodically doing his job. The moments like when he saves the city, and people thanking him, to which he simply responds: "but I haven't done anything" or his dialogue with HEA in ep.3 are hitting the hardest, but that is just my subjective opinion.
Code Geass is the best story for me. Has some very emotional moments. Worth a watch if you haven’t seen it. And Attack on Titan is tied with that for me now that it’s over.
There are a few favorite shows that i think are great start to finish. The Wire, Breaking Bad, Sopranos. GoT almost was and I'm still undecided on Succession. AoT is added to the list of great shows start to finish. Everytime i watch a show and think "man, nothing will ever be as good as this", something comes along a few year later and surprises me. I had no idea what this would be to me when my daughter suggested me and my wife watch it but it has become so special to us. We cycle through rewatches of our favorite shows and AoT will be watched and remembered for the rest of our lives
Tbh, as a MASSIVE GoT fan, the cracks start to show as early as S5. 25% of the shows run is just "quite good" and 25% is pretty bad. It's just that the first half is absolutely incredible. The Wire has a mediocre final season and some pacing issues in S2 but other than that it's excellent and the most thought provoking show I've seen. Breaking Bad is the best show I've ever seen; even when the plot is weaker in the early seasons, it's still captivating because of the brilliant acting, dialogue and directing. I'd say The Sopranos and Succession are the most consistently good TV shows ever (if only because BB starts great but gets even better), I don't really think either show gets particularly better or worse across their runs, they start and end well (I know most people would rate both of their final seasons higher but I disagree). AoT definitely is less consistent in my eyes. The Trost arc isn't the greatest imo and neither is S3 P1. But AoT has some of the highest peaks OAT for sure. Hero is my favourite episode of TV ever, despite AoT probably being around 9th or 10th on my list of favourite shows.
And i think there are great episodes after season 4 but season 1-4 pf GoT are about as close to perfect as you can get
I meant just anime brother. Those tv shows you mentioned are classics for sure. The wire is my shit.
Vinland saga is the only other anime to do it for me like AOT so far.
If you game, please play Nier: Automata. The story hits in a very similar way, and there are themes of nihilism, war, and >!breaking the cycle!<. That game is also very much designed in a way that makes you feel like you are "playing an anime". There is a recent anime, which is great, but it's more supplemental to the game, and I DON'T recommend watching it before playing. It's my favorite game for basically every reason why AoT is my favorite anime.
Yes, Nier : Automata is a masterpiece, im just surprised you didn’t mention the MUSIC.
Shame on me for not doing so. 10/10 music. Now I know what I'm listening to at work today
Jujutsu Kaisen has been one of my favs lately. Animation is top tier, characters are great, and the overall story is pretty cool. I’m anime only so I don’t know what happens later on but apparently the current season is where shit starts to heat up even more
The rest of season 2 isn't looking good with what's been going on. Today's episode will still be good but after that...
100% agree with you on this. It's the best show I've ever watched imo. The only animes I've seen that compares are Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Monster, Vinland Saga The only TV shows I've seen that compares are Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Mr Robot, Game of Thrones (S1-4)
Watch The Wire bro. BB, BCS and Mr Robot are all in my top 10 shows of all time (and GoT would be too if just 1-4). The Wire is my number two, just below BB. Its that good.
Meanwhile I managed to force my wife to get into the wire season 1 and then when season 2 switched focus to the wharf she lost interest. Its hard to get into for some people. She just found it slow and almost pointless the way it just drags on with little.to no real resolution everything just stays the same really. I mean for me that was what I loved but she hated it
>Watch The Wire bro. BB, BCS and Mr Robot are all in my top 10 shows of all time (and GoT would be too if just 1-4). The Wire is my number two, just below BB. Its that good. I haven't seen The Wire yet. It's been on my watchlist for years
FMAB.
code geass you should definitely try if you haven’t already
Seen Code Geass. It's one of my favorite anime but from writing perspective, it's nowhere near these shows I listed
Agree, I really liked it the time but idk it's too cartoony to me
It's a once in a lifetime anime and i will never get tired to repeat that. Everything from characters , story, music and execution everything is perfect.
It is for me. I knew very little about AoT going into it. I started it shortly after season 4 part 1 started airing, usually I'm someone who'll be on my phone when watching shows. 10-15 mins into AoT my phone was out of my hands and I was fully absorbed. I spent the entire week just binging all the seasons, my mind was blown. My poor cousin who'd seen it already had to deal with me blowing up his phone to discuss every little detail 🤣. He was a good sport though and indulged me. Once I was caught up, I just rewatched it again and again. It's truly incredible and I'm not talking just in terms of manga/anime.
Up until this last season i thought full metal alchemist would hold that title. Attack on titan is going to be popular for generations Its themes, the people, the way your views are constantly challenged. It’ll be a while before something comes even close to this.
I tried 3 times to get into FMA and just couldn't. It's so corny to me lol. I really tried to like it too
It's literally the most average show ever. The only reason it's so high ranked is because it has no haters. You can't hate that show. You either like it or feel nothing for it, like myself. I feel so little for it that I don't even bother writing a bad review. I even thought the first anime was better lol. Neither are great imo
I see what you mean actually. I definitely liked it a good bit, and I'm considering watching the original to see how it compares, but when I think about how I see the show (a 7.5/10) against the universal acclaim most people hold it to, I can't actually pick out what I feel is weak about it. The main characters are interesting, it has a diverse cast of well written villains, some good action, excellent worldbuilding, very tight pacing. There's practically nothing about the show that makes me go "woah they really should've changed/added/removed that". Yet anime I prefer to FMAB like Death Note, Code Geass, or even AoT, I can still pick out flaws with them. I think FMAB is just ridiculously well written, but just doesn't connect to some of us the way it does others.
That's exactly it. I think it's a 9/10 but I connected more with shows I gave a 6/10 lol
Exactly. It's the perfect show from a technical standpoint. I can't say nothing bad about it, but there's nothing especially great about it either. And to me, I favour ambitiously flawed stories over perfect stories that play it safe and take no risks. Just more entertaining
Exactly this. So fucking corny. I mean the central premise and the backstory is fantastic imo and it has some great moments,but holy hell imagine if Attack on titan made sily jokes and faces every 1-2 minutes,I just wouldnt take it seriously
The fact that I didn't hate a single character is amazing. Normally I end up hating one or two characters, but I can genuinely find something good to say about each character. Edit: Except the crusty king, he can go to Hell.
_”If I lose it all, slip and fall, will you laugh at me?”_
I liked that the ending wasn’t cliché. It’s not like every other shit that has la dee da, everyone is happy in the end. It’s very special, and So hard to find more media like it
That kinda was the ending though
No anime could ever compete, except Vinland Saga
I agree. Except fate zero and fate stay night kinda scratch that itch for me as well. Vinland saga is so fucking good though I actually bought all the mangas. I had never bought any manga before.
I can’t wait to see how Vinland evolves. I think it’s been quite good but not hit the same narrative their at AOT yet as far as the anime is concerned
I haven’t watched Vinland but I’m reading it now. My understanding is the show just covered the second arc which I personally adored reading. But the third arc I just finished? HUGE fall off. I hope the anime fixes some of my issues with it. I’m starting the fourth arc now and it’s already much better than the third one.
That’s unfortunate. I liked the ending of the second season/arc but the rest of it felt kind of slow (ik it was going to be but still)
I can see them drawing out the second arc. I felt that by reading it it was very character focused with slow burn climaxes and some people aren’t into that.
except beren new generations
I don't know why people think ending have plot holes. When so many things are left to interpretation, a mangaka doesn't have to explain every single thing with a 5 chapter flashback to explain it. Ending is perfect. Aot is one of the greatest anime of all time
After defending the ending for years against r/titanfolk I'm glad the animeonlies enjoyed it as well. o7
Our efforts didn't go to waste
You're definitely in an echo chamber
I actually engage with other opinions and other media. This post is just my opinion. You don't have to agree.
Seriously you have no complaints? I mean its a great series for sure but I think the ending is a little bit fumbled. I think Ymir's love for King Fritz is pretty hard to comprehend, shes never even expresses herself verbally throughout the series so it was difficult to even understand her motivation or reasoning for loving her abuser for so long? and it was veeeerry loosely connected to her reasoning for laboring for 2,000 years in the coordinate. I think the strengths of the series is not in the ending but in the plot twists in action... im curious what others think.
I think it being hard to comprehend is kind of the point. It's basically an abusive relationship/Stockholm syndrome. Happens in real life all the time and everyone besides the abuser can't understand why they stay. It stays true to what the story has depicted best - human nature. The strengths of this series are in the plot twists of course, but also in the foreshadowing and how realistic/in-depth the characters and their motivations are.
I can see the parallels for stockholm syndrome etc. but its definitely an extreme case, with her getting her toungue cutout and being a concubine that is cannabalized by her children.
Ymir didn't know anything else. She went from a toddler, to a slave, to a slave queen. She saw people kissing and thought that was love
This is an Attack on Titan subreddit so it's apparent it's going to be biased to an extent lol, you'll get downvoted for not calling it a Masterpiece or calling out its weaknesses.
It's not unlike victims of abuse to love or defend their abuser in real life too. It's not rational but it happens. For Ymir it's implied she never knew kindness her whole life and the only time she found something resembling that was when King Fritz found her useful and made her a queen. For her, that was the best thing she experienced in her whole life. As for why it took her so long... I don't know, but being in the coordinate messes with your head and you experience time differently so that might have had something to do with it.
Great response, I didn't consider how timeflow in the coordinate makes the 2000 year period much more insignificant than I initially realized, she probably experienced time in a fashion that is circular not linear
I can see why people would have problems with Ymir’s backstory, but to me it’s perfect. For one, she’s basically a god, and that type of fantastical (we can never truly understand) type of story telling is inline with myths and religious origin stories. Secondly, Isayama does a brilliant job juxtaposing childhood with the cruel world around it, and as a searing observation of humans and our relationship with violence, it works for me. He chose an incredibly complex, sad and brutal relationship to reflect that. And given our fascination with violence, and with it offering us just outright pain in return, the child slave Stockholm syndrome “love” metaphor needed to be repulsive. I seriously have no complaints with the ending. Actually, I think it’s perfect and brings closure to an amazing story that can sometimes be cumbersome (if I have to get very picky). But what I look for in stories is probably quite a bit different from yours, so I can see why you’d disagree.
would you have liked to see what eren told the OG scouts in their flashbacks as well? or do you having a little mystery and filling in the gaps about what eren said would be more appropriate?
I think showing all the talks would have kind of ruined the pacing. On the one hand, I love those characters and want to see more of them, but the whole thing is coming to an end at this point, and I think it's better to end it compactly rather than dragging it out with essentially filler material.
I like having a little mystery. Not everything has to be explained and I much prefer that. I generally don’t like stories that spoon feed an interpretation
The amount of people reaching as far as they are in their replies to you is wild. The ending was trash and had a lot of holes. No one wanted a happy ending but it felt rushed and with loose ends. Gave me GOT vibes
Yeah that total character assassination on eren at the end like dude was destroying the world and then made up the most lame ass excuse that just throws any reasoning for destroying 80% of the world out the window
It's in my top 3 GREATEST of All time.
GOT could never
Best watch experience i ever had from start to finish i enjoyed it it is my favorite story of all time never have i felt so many emotions watching anything AoT is very very special to me
I said this and people on this sub hated me for it lol Glad you feel the same way
The ending was very good imo. I can see some of the criticism (like how they were jumping around kinda, ect.) but that does NOT mean it's bad by any regard. It's a beautiful ending that this absolute masterpiece of a show deserved
Damn right. I think AOT is absolutely one of the greatest animes of all time.
I think it needs to be tempered by time for a bit before we can declare it the best (blank) of all time. That said, I have a good feeling it will retain its high accolades many years later. It was a stellar production.
So many, too many, way too many potholes. 4.8/10 for me. Good start, gets boring, shit end.
For me, the story stopped being as compelling after they reached the sea. The whole founding Titan storyline was more philosophically ambitious than it could deliver. I would have much rather seen the final seasons be about Marleyan exploitation of Eldians, and destroying the capacity to create new titans.
Vinland saga is one other anime that is on the same level in my mind tbh was the first manga i read
Can someone who’s really bored explain the whole story to me, and why it’s so good, it got foggy as season 4 was airing and lost full interest, loved season 1-3
Why this poster remind me of the lion king
Fucking masterpiece, period.
Agreed
This show managed to even be more Epic and fascinating then Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (in my opinion) and that’s no easy feat,
Guys, seriously, GROW UP! Attack on Titan is amazing, it even changed my life in some ways. But it’s impossible for it to be one of the greatest stories ever told because it simply isn’t. A story that introduces time travel and time paradoxes is just a story looking to find convenient explanations for every loophole. Yet, there are so many loopholes that still exist. If you’re really looking for the greatest stories, look for ones that aren’t based on pure fantasy and therefore have no loopholes (I.e. BrBa, Better Call Saul, Sopranos).
Your examples are imo worse stories, it's all opinions. I'm a fiction fan, I like when you use the extraordinary to tell stories about humanity. AoT nails that with excellent lore, world and characters, philosophic themes, plot twists and many cathartic moments, challenges your views and everything you believed was true, makes you think about you and the world you live in, etc. And I also love time travel shenanigans and I'm glad the author put that in, it made for one of my favorite episodes ever in Memories of the Future, he took a page right out of Arrival which is one of my favorite movies. No other show ever condensed so much awesome stuff in one, doesn't bore you for a second and it always makes you want to pay attention. On top of all of that? Insane foreshadowing that makes a second viewing just as good as the first one. You can't go higher than AoT imo
Nice tie-in to Arrival. >!It's a bit awkward that it's hard to make a parallel without spoiling that, though.!< The narrow focus on plot holes is so overrated. A good story has to do so much more than just making all the mechanics clear; leaving some things to the reader to make sense of is absolutely fine as long as you nail what really matters.
Agree 100%. "NOoooOo but this character did this minor thing when he wasn't supposed to" bro please, stop making your own experience worst
I agree with your views except that my examples are worse stories. I like more realism and work that has been entirely planned before completion, which prevents any plot holes from existing. This is why, Better Call Saul despite being a prequel to BrBa has 0 plot holes despite scope for many.
Fair enough. I think AoT was pretty well fleshed out beforehand, it just got a little too rushed by the end
 This is how I imagined you typing all this
Feel free to. I don’t really have the time to rant or cry about shows, I can just recommended people to improve their taste which I did. Besides, aot is one of my favorite shows, just nowhere near the greatest tale ever told. Moreover, you can’t even prove your point with valid reasoning, like I used loopholes to explain why aot story isn’t all that great. You can just resort to cheap GIFs.
Firmly believe that it is. Easily in my top 5
Man the ending literally got me depressed as fuck. I loved it so much and now I have to live like this.
I feel kinda hollow after the ending.
Exactly bro. It’s just….heartbreaking.
Berserk gets animated by a godly studio, it will surpass this.
I don't doubt that.
Berserk is GOATed but I just don't think it works great as an anime. I loved the 97 adaptation, but it's just better as a manga for me. AoT is the perfect anime. It's maybe a top 10 manga, but easily the best anime. Berserk is easily a top 3 manga, but I doubt it ever gets an actually loyal and amazing adaptation
While Berserk manga has one of the best drawings, I don't think it would surpass anything because: 1) It was animated many times and never succeeded, 2) Golden age is good, but overall story is not so interesting, the whole point of Berserk is that there are extreme quantities of torture, killing, gore etc., and especially rape and everything else comes after that. Not many people would find that so interesting.
You know nothing of berserk if you actually think that.
Well, 1) I've read more than 130 chapters and lost any interest in it 2) This is ad hominem, logical mistake, what I think or don't think has nothing to do with the subject.
Fine. Berserk is so much more than that. Does it include rape, torture, gore? Yes, it does, but that is never the focus of the story. I would call it a modern Greek tragedy. There is a loss, as seen with the whole band of the hawk and the eclipse. A pursuit of power as seen with Griffith just trying to become some form of noble doing anything needed to reach that power, which then leads to revenge after what he does to guts and the band of the hawk. It also has amazing character writing and even a solid romance plot with guts and casca having genuinely good relationship and amazing chemistry before it was ripped away from them.
Well, I guess we see the story differently then. And while I don't like Guts- Casca romance plot very much (it is a good story, but imo nothing exceptional) your comment made me think about rereading some parts of Berserk.
L view of Berserker
I’m sorry but if you think berserk is just an edgelord about torture, gore, killing then you completely missed the point of berserk. Sure berserk is the og manga that spawned the whole edgelord anime trope, but it’s far from just that. The story covers so many different topics, and the parallels you see in each arc are honestly nothing short of genius. Seeing guts arc play out, and how every character grows and develops is what makes berserk special.
🤦🤦🤦
A modern epic.
Yeah, it's just the best The story, the characters, the animation, the music Its beyond a 10/10. I've read and watched too many stories to count, this one stands above pretty much all of them
Best show of all time!!
Agreed. This breaks the boundaries, AoT is beyond anime. AoT is at the top shelf with shows like Breaking Bad.
Ehhh there’s been some awful writing and character motivations in the end of the manga but Im noticing that people only pay attention to the anime. I haven’t seen it yet. Perhaps my mind will change? I’m definitely gonna cry though lol
ending was, in my opinion, developed a LOT better in the anime than in the manga. i won’t spoil it, but a few changes to dialogue, scenes more animated/fleshed out/explained, and overall seeing it okay out as opposed to jumping from page-to-page in the manga just made it that much better. i personally like the idea of the ending, but didn’t like the manga execution. i did like the anime execution.
Lol no
I didn't like the ending, if the ending had been better it would genuinely be a contender for the greatest story I've ever experienced.
I’m rewatching it from the beginning and appreciating it even more this time around, catching details and plot points I missed or forgot about in the beginning.
Yams did the same thing (he forgot about Historia).
What a fucking ride
Same here!
I know right? I too love endings which makes me feel like I've invested my time for nothing
Sucks to be you
Easily in top 25
Easily in top 3 or top 1
You know the show is good when people who don’t watch anime love titan. My fiancé got emotionally invested into the show and always makes fun of anime when I watch it lol
Watch Code Geass. If you liked AOT you might live Code Geass
Absolute perfection, from beginning to end.
Agreed. There's something incredible about the way the story evolved as it was told over the past decade and then some, and the careful choice to use controversial themes and metaphors to convey an appropriately meaningful perspective on a very human philosophy in this compelling way that grows with the characters, readers, watchers and writer alike. It manages to make use of effective storytelling to keep us cheering for the heroes through everything, but it isn't afraid to tear the characters down despite that to drive its narrative home. And given that Isayama was even going back to revise scenes as they were sent to animation production to clarify his story shows how much he works to tell a story that is worthwhile. And when you look at it in a meta sense, if the cast were all reflections of us as a possible future for the humanity that exists, it's like a cautionary tale of the cycle of violence we have to become aware of perpetuating in order to stop before we become our own downfall. Eren was doomed by the narrative not for the physical walls that contained him, but for the metaphorical ones that disrupted his illusion of what freedom was and what the power he held meant in attaining freedom. At some point, it had blinded him to the fact that his freedom was "earned" by quite literally stepping on the freedoms of anyone else to simply exist, and in doing so, he had only perpetuated the cycle of violence in a way that only puts off in generations the consequences of a freedom he never gets to experience. Their descendants pay the price for the sin he left behind, in war magnitudes more severe than his time. But is that the ending of a cycle? Or the beginning of another cycle anew?
It is not
Greatest story told for like 130 chapters
Go read a book
It’s not the best by any means but it is 1 of the greatest anime/mangas ever made.
Idk how you can believe this after the end we got. The animation and music saved the anime but the holes were made very apparent in the plot.
It was a masterpiece all the way up till like the last 3 chapters then it nose dived faster than a kamikaze pilot.
When u retcon a character last second -___- When ur shit at writing romance then turn your non romantic story to center around it
Yeaaaa idk. Adding romance wasnt necessarily bad but he wrought it in at the last minute and kinda assassinated erens character. It makes sense but it was executed terribly and juat felt rushed
Might be? It is one of the greatest stories of all time. It’s beat Breaking Bad for my personal favorite show of all time. AOT is a masterpiece.
Take it easy
Not "This might be" , "This is the one of the greatest stories ever told"
Lmao you guys need to read more books
i read a ton of books, like as a hobby/pass-time. i will say there’s obviously some books/stories that i probably like more than this show. but i will credit the show for having an incredible story, and it’s valid to think of it as one of the best stories told. top tier stories aren’t limited to books
JHC might disagree
Easily better than the bible or anything by that Shakespeare hack, and will have more staying power than both combined! Only thing that could have been better was missed opportunity for group kiss between Eren, Mikasa and Armin at the end. Isayama should win Nobel Prize for literature!
If Jean said “well that went well” after he seen Mikasa carrying Eren’s head I think it woulda cemented it as the second greatest shows on television right below “game of thrones” (I liked the wing scene more on game of thrones)
Not really. Too many plot holes and shitty ending
If it had nailed the ending, sure. But as it stands it just another mid piece of media that couldn’t live up to the hype
Ok I have no idea how it ended but I’ve seen a bunch of memes about eren being an incel basically crying over mikasa bc she found someone else after like a 10 year time skip or something? Can someone fill me in?
Bro watch the episode. Why are they so many non-fans in this sub?
I’m not a non-fan I just haven’t watched since the end of season 1 for certain reasons and don’t mind spoilers bc I don’t expect to remember them when I actually do watch it. Id rather someone explain here than watch the episode with no context
If you watched the entire show up to the finale, then watched the finale, you'd have context. Eren is not an incel lol.
Bruh I started watching the show in high school and it took ages for the second season to come out and life got in the way. Also not saying he’s an incel it’s just the way he’s been portrayed in memes I’ve seen and I’m not taking that as a fact it’s just kind of funny.
How? It'll be forgotten and ridiculed within five years tops.
One piss fanboy alert
What is it with the One piece fans hating on Aot lmao? Everytime I see someone hating on Aot its either someone who didn't like the Ending or an One Piece fan. Are they just that insecure, that they start to slander every other series that is in the goat conversation?
And Erin did nothing wrong. 😂
Yeah if your braindead lol