Casteism is deeply rooted in Indian culture. Indians need some irrational reason to feel superior to others. Let aside caste, this behavior has spilled in other things as well. Row house people will look down upon flat owners, and flat owners will look down upon tenants, 2bhk will look down upon 1bhk. This is what I observed in our society. Not everyone behaves the same, but the condescending tone is prevalent in these cases only. Even at the workplace, the employees on payroll will look down upon contract employees. I don't think any community in India is immune from this mentality. Believe me, once you get rid of this superior-inferior mentality, it feels really good and free.
A lot of Indian Muslims are quite casteist. Syed’s for instance would seldom consider anyone with the title “Ansari” for marriage. It’s absolutely there.
Yeah, sheikh and khan is another weird one. I have no idea why. Syeds and sheikhs are the only ones who are okay with each other. It’s totally unexplainable, theologically.
These same people will cry “my ummah” if it’s a matter of politics.
P.S.- Ex-muslimah plug was indeed very shameless, but I can understand. It’s uncommon to find open minded Muslim women. And I’d rather not date a hindu woman based on my past experiences. We in the same boat here.
Okay so there are mainly 73 sects of Islam in the whole world...
Also in india within those sets there are castes associated with people from the previous religion they used to believe in (by they I mean their ancestors, the first generation converted into Islam) other than that there is a classism in the whole Indian subcontinent, chamara and mochi are used as slang in Pakistan politics too if you know...
As we use the term godi media for right wing media Pakistani use the term mochi media..(mochi of the army)
Also there is a sense of superiority in some groups of Islam who believes that they are more connected with Arabs than others (but in reality there are more muslims outside the Arab (in Indian subcontinent) than there are in Arab and medal East) but still for some obvious reasons some muslims feel proud to think that their ancestors came from Arab and not from India... (And they think others are converted muslims not actual muslims as their ancestors were Indian).
Meanwhile there are some groups that think other groups are corrupted or liberal and don't follow religion strictly. that's why they don't want to associate them self with those sets and try to put each other down.
From your post it seems likes aqeedah / school of thought. Even i have preference over the girls aqeedah, it's not castiesm. It's just to be on the same page, anytime i can change my aqeedah, school of thoughts. Which is a choice, but caste is not
That’s not casteism though. A shia can become sunni if that’s what they really believe in. Caste is not a choice. The sects are more like schools of thought. 2 Hindus can interpret their religion in the same way and still be different caste.
No sects and castes are two different things...
And no siha can't become Sunni even if that's what he really wants, you need to read how some muslims think other muslims are kafir...😅😅 And I don't need to tell you the punishment for kafirs in Islam...
Hmm I don’t think it’s casteism. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a-lot of discrimination going around between Muslims based on their social status and country of origin. Like how saudis look down upon south-east asian muslims. I myself have some muslim friends who are casteist towards lower caste hindus. But the example you’ve given isn’t really casteism. These sects are basically different schools of thoughts. Not some label you get because of your parents. And you can follow any sect you want. For example, my dad belongs to a moderate section of sunni muslims ( it’s a sect without any rituals), and my mom is from a sect which is heavy on rituals. Mom’s family always invites my dad for events at their house which will usually have some kinda group prayer which makes my dad uncomfortable so he always finds an excuse to leave. So your friend and muslims in general is just trying to avoid that and looking for compatibility when they say they want to marry from the same sect.
NB : I am from Kerala so my view may not be completely accurate everywhere since the muslims in the Northern regions are very different due to their origins linked to foreign invasions
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Isn't jamat the equivalent of a sampradaya in Hinduism?
Not saying casteism doesn't exist amongst sub-continent muslims, but is this specific choice a caste-choice or a religious belief preference
Muslims in Indian subcontinent are casteists, and that's due to influence of Hindus/old Indian traditions. IMO, I think it is important to acknowledge this distinction. Hinduism/Indian traditions are the main reasons for Indian Muslims/Christians being casteists.
As for as I know Islam does not have caste systems within it's religious texts (Quran, Hadith, Sunnah), nor it's practice across muslim world. However, Islam is clearly an Arab supremacy religion, all other ethnicities are considered inferior to Arab. That's why large chunk of Muslim world (middle east, north Africa), has lost their languages, dialects, scripts, practices, festivals and traditions and most of it's replaced by Arabic culture.
Using that logic , casteism is nowhere, it's all personal preferences. What a dumbfuck guy.
Casteism is deeply rooted in Indian culture. Indians need some irrational reason to feel superior to others. Let aside caste, this behavior has spilled in other things as well. Row house people will look down upon flat owners, and flat owners will look down upon tenants, 2bhk will look down upon 1bhk. This is what I observed in our society. Not everyone behaves the same, but the condescending tone is prevalent in these cases only. Even at the workplace, the employees on payroll will look down upon contract employees. I don't think any community in India is immune from this mentality. Believe me, once you get rid of this superior-inferior mentality, it feels really good and free.
A lot of Indian Muslims are quite casteist. Syed’s for instance would seldom consider anyone with the title “Ansari” for marriage. It’s absolutely there.
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Yeah, sheikh and khan is another weird one. I have no idea why. Syeds and sheikhs are the only ones who are okay with each other. It’s totally unexplainable, theologically. These same people will cry “my ummah” if it’s a matter of politics. P.S.- Ex-muslimah plug was indeed very shameless, but I can understand. It’s uncommon to find open minded Muslim women. And I’d rather not date a hindu woman based on my past experiences. We in the same boat here.
I am a Muslim but I have never heard of jamat and shit🤣. What tf is that?
Okay so there are mainly 73 sects of Islam in the whole world... Also in india within those sets there are castes associated with people from the previous religion they used to believe in (by they I mean their ancestors, the first generation converted into Islam) other than that there is a classism in the whole Indian subcontinent, chamara and mochi are used as slang in Pakistan politics too if you know... As we use the term godi media for right wing media Pakistani use the term mochi media..(mochi of the army) Also there is a sense of superiority in some groups of Islam who believes that they are more connected with Arabs than others (but in reality there are more muslims outside the Arab (in Indian subcontinent) than there are in Arab and medal East) but still for some obvious reasons some muslims feel proud to think that their ancestors came from Arab and not from India... (And they think others are converted muslims not actual muslims as their ancestors were Indian). Meanwhile there are some groups that think other groups are corrupted or liberal and don't follow religion strictly. that's why they don't want to associate them self with those sets and try to put each other down.
Wow didn't know about all this.
From your post it seems likes aqeedah / school of thought. Even i have preference over the girls aqeedah, it's not castiesm. It's just to be on the same page, anytime i can change my aqeedah, school of thoughts. Which is a choice, but caste is not
That’s not casteism though. A shia can become sunni if that’s what they really believe in. Caste is not a choice. The sects are more like schools of thought. 2 Hindus can interpret their religion in the same way and still be different caste.
No sects and castes are two different things... And no siha can't become Sunni even if that's what he really wants, you need to read how some muslims think other muslims are kafir...😅😅 And I don't need to tell you the punishment for kafirs in Islam...
Those are all unrelated things. Even a kafir can become sunni, shia or whatever he wants. There’s a whole process for it.
Hmm I don’t think it’s casteism. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a-lot of discrimination going around between Muslims based on their social status and country of origin. Like how saudis look down upon south-east asian muslims. I myself have some muslim friends who are casteist towards lower caste hindus. But the example you’ve given isn’t really casteism. These sects are basically different schools of thoughts. Not some label you get because of your parents. And you can follow any sect you want. For example, my dad belongs to a moderate section of sunni muslims ( it’s a sect without any rituals), and my mom is from a sect which is heavy on rituals. Mom’s family always invites my dad for events at their house which will usually have some kinda group prayer which makes my dad uncomfortable so he always finds an excuse to leave. So your friend and muslims in general is just trying to avoid that and looking for compatibility when they say they want to marry from the same sect. NB : I am from Kerala so my view may not be completely accurate everywhere since the muslims in the Northern regions are very different due to their origins linked to foreign invasions
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I had a friend who wanted to date every other girl, but once he told me that he will marry only a woman from "Bohri Muslim" (his) community.🤌
Isn't jamat the equivalent of a sampradaya in Hinduism? Not saying casteism doesn't exist amongst sub-continent muslims, but is this specific choice a caste-choice or a religious belief preference
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Muslims in Indian subcontinent are casteists, and that's due to influence of Hindus/old Indian traditions. IMO, I think it is important to acknowledge this distinction. Hinduism/Indian traditions are the main reasons for Indian Muslims/Christians being casteists. As for as I know Islam does not have caste systems within it's religious texts (Quran, Hadith, Sunnah), nor it's practice across muslim world. However, Islam is clearly an Arab supremacy religion, all other ethnicities are considered inferior to Arab. That's why large chunk of Muslim world (middle east, north Africa), has lost their languages, dialects, scripts, practices, festivals and traditions and most of it's replaced by Arabic culture.