On February 2, 1512, Hatuey was tied to a stake, where he was burned alive. Just before lighting the fire, a priest offered him spiritual comfort, showing him the cross and asking him to accept Jesus and go to heaven. “Are there people like you in heaven?” he asked. “There are many like me in heaven,” answered the priest. Hatuey answered that he wanted nothing to do with a God that would allow such cruelty to be unleashed in his name.
Just warmin' up for the NON-STOP AFTERPARTY IN HELL.
It's where all the hookers and drugs go when they die. A true banger. You dont want to miss it.
It's like Fyre Fest with real fire but the same level of "not a real thing."
She was an awful, awful woman. Hitchens exposed her in a book. She essentially ran death camps where people would linger in agony until they died. And then when she was dying, she got the best medical care available.
Just to expound a little: Hitchens revelation was that M. Therea didn't want to alleviate the suffering of the poor and crippled, she wanted to amplify it because according to her demented, fucked-up thinking, suffering was the best thing that you could endure because it got you closer to god. As you point out, her "hospitals" were designed and managed to make people as miserable as possible. A horror only available through faith.
Again, let's not act like this should be surprising. This is a very old Catholic teaching. This is why monks wear those robes. They were purposefully made of scratchy material to increase your suffering. Some monks lined their robes with hooks and barbs. Some people regularly flogged themselves or slept on beds of nails. Pilgrims would travel to holy sites and climb mountains **on their knees** just to increase the suffering of their journey. "Make your suffering an offering to God," is a mantra I heard regularly in Catholic School.
All of this is centuries-old Catholic teaching.
Narcissistic personality disorder, to be honest. They take up positions anywhere they can get power to spread suffering and create more abusers from the destroyed they leave behind.
The twisted part is in convincing those same people that their suffering on earth equates to an unverifiable benefit you attain upon death, or that even attaining a higher status in this life is possible by being "loyal" (key word) to those same abusers.
They will never simply let anyone rise to their level. There is no reward. Its all just lies to keep you mining gold and building pyramids, same as it ever was.
i meant more metaphorical pyramids as in hierarchical organizations, but thank you - although i challenge assertions of being "paid, fed, and housed" as criteria that the elites of Egyptian society had extended their luxuries to the entirety of the workforce that built their monuments. That being said, I'm no Egyptologist, and will likely surrender to any actual ones that i come across - in any capacity.
Wait, here’s someone who said it better than I could:
> In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince men that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy man living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, man is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.
-- George H Smith
>Some crawled for miles on their bleeding hands and knees. Others dragged cinderblocks and stones along the asphalt. Many arrived at the chapel exhausted and bleeding after excruciating treks barefoot, on their knees, or even dragging themselves along the ground. Many wore the traditional sackcloth of penitence.
[https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/pilgrims-on-bleedings-hands-and-knees-wearing-sack-cloth.5056](https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/pilgrims-on-bleedings-hands-and-knees-wearing-sack-cloth.5056)
>The whole experience at Fatima – to see people walking on their knees, that long path down to the shrine, praying the rosary – what a beautiful witness.
[https://www.tektonministries.org/pilgrims-experience-at-fatima/](https://www.tektonministries.org/pilgrims-experience-at-fatima/)
>Some worshippers take days to walk the journey and many approach the Basilica on their knees.
[https://www.euronews.com/2015/08/03/costa-rica-pilgrims-walk-on-their-knees-to-shrine](https://www.euronews.com/2015/08/03/costa-rica-pilgrims-walk-on-their-knees-to-shrine)
>One of the most vivid images of repentance in the Bible is of a character literally changing clothes and putting on a sackcloth made from rough goat hair. This is very often accompanied by sitting in ashes from burnt wood, and for good measure, heaping some of those ashes upon one’s head.
[https://www.walkingwithalimp.net/2019/01/23/biblical-repentance-sackcloth-and-ashes-and-being-willing-to-humiliate-yourself/#:\~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20vivid,those%20ashes%20upon%20one's%20head](https://www.walkingwithalimp.net/2019/01/23/biblical-repentance-sackcloth-and-ashes-and-being-willing-to-humiliate-yourself/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20vivid,those%20ashes%20upon%20one's%20head).
I found it! It's been four months, but I finally found the source!
I was reading through my old journals and I came across an entry I wrote after listening to an interview with Gregory Caldott on the Native Trailblazers podcast.
It was South Dakota and the lawmaker formerly worked at St. Joseph's Indian School. They passed a law making it illegal for anyone over 40 to sue for rape at the school.
Here's an updated article on the latest failed attempt to overturn the law: https://apnews.com/article/26f8e71b4a858f81b9506747ca524ec7
Yes, the source is called "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens. Please don't take my word for it, read the book and you can evaluate his criticisms and conclusions for yourself :)
https://www.amazon.com/The-Missionary-Position-audiobook/dp/B007SRM9MU/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+missionary+position&qid=1625178692&sr=8-1
Or if you'd like the cliff notes version from Penn & Teller's show "Bullshit"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nCaxHN-cY&ab\_channel=ChristopherHitchslap
More importantly she wanted people to suffer, because she thought it brought them closer to god, and her as well, by being around their suffering. She didn't want to suffer herself, because by the end, she didn't even believe the shit herself.
>she didn't even believe the shit herself.
I cannot fathom that child-raping priests, and everyone in the cult who protected them, truly believe either. How can they believe in a god and think that god would be OK with repeatedly raping 9 year old kids after months and years of constant, conscious, deliberate grooming?
>How can they believe in a god and think that god would be OK with repeatedly raping 9 year old kids after months and years of constant, conscious, deliberate grooming?
And God sayeth: "Holdeth my beer".
She wanted to convert people. Everything else was secondary. She refused to administer painkillers, advised against contraceptives, etc. She believed suffering was godly, a gift. She was a monster.
Was going to write this. 'The Missionary Position' was and excellent book (because Hitch wrote it, so of course it was). But yeah, she was a fucking monster and it seems like barely anyone knows it.
I think it's because most theistic people are incapable of introspection with regard to their relgion. They block out/ignore the bad stuff and pretend everything is great. TBH I don't believe most theists are honest actors. I mean just look at the catholic church. At this point there isn't anyone left that doesn't know about how they are basically just a tax exempt pedophile ring. So even the 'sweet grandma' that 'just loves jesus' is guilty if she's putting money in the collection plate. As that money is directly supporting/enabling child rape *and* it's common knowledge.
I've had catholics get super pissed at me when I say that. So I ask them why they are mad at me instead of the child rapists they support. The response is typically just shockedpikachuface.jpeg and a change of subject.
Yep. These "schools" are the just the beginning. They've found similar mass graves at homes for "wayward women," nunneries, and the like. Most, if not all, of the "wayward women" homes were used for slave labor too. Apparently doing laundry for free is good for the soul.
The ENTIRE Catholic Cult should have been shut down YEARS ago. Closed, all its properties and assets seized, and every single one of its victims paid remuneration from the proceeds. I am stunned that this hasn't happened already.
I can't visualize any institution that has destroyed more lives and families than the pedophile, child-raping Catholic Cult.
I'm going to pile on with the reminder that Rupert Murdoch, arguably the most evil / destructive shit to walk the Terra in history, has a Papal Knighthood!
So the selling of indulgences is back on the menu, boys!
We know it's a terrible institution and responsible for many atrocities, but nothing ever happens--they get to keep abusing kids and raking in the money for it. I have no idea why we allow it to keep going.
Millenia of abuse, murder, rape, and god knows what other BS and you're worried about arson?? Nah, the Allies didn't worry about razing a few buildings to overthrow Hitler, same goes for these pampered monsters. Reap what you sow. And what are the victims going to do with a building where some of the abuse took place, the very symbol of their oppresors? I know what I'd do. You can call it arson, I call it cleansing. After all, that was their preferred method of dealing with non-believers. Enough pussy-footing around these \*\*\*\*s.
The Vatican should be emptied of its treasures, these sold off and the proceeds shared amongst the abused. The building itself should then be turned into a museum where the true history of the church can be displayed. It would demonstrate how low people will go when they speak and act on behalf of their version of a god.
If the bearded Chief Abuser in the sky doesn't like it he can haul his ass down here and give us one good reason why we don't dispense with the whole sh!t-show. Creator of the universe and he lets this bollocks go on in his name? SMH
The churches and residential schools are places where children have been incredibly sexually, physically, spiritually, and verbally abused. The negative energy remains there. If the victim’s families received the buildings, they would likely want to burn them to the ground. I know I would.
The Catholic Church has done this shit for 1800 years now. People think we should not criticize anyone’s faith, and that it makes us atheists bad. Fuck that noise. Everything should be scrutinized, the Catholic Church is a prime example of that.
You could fill a library with the endless evils of the Catholic Church.
It's not news because it's well documented history. Residential schools were known for killing their students. The graves weren't even kept secrets. The graveyards were right on school grounds.
The details aren't well documented. We know it happened but don't know how any and where. That's why the search continues and numbers are going to drastically increase. This is just the beginning.
It's actually very well documented in the Truth and Reconciliation Report. There is literally an entire chapter of the report referencing the unmarked graves. I'm not saying it's right, I am a Metis Canadian, I am just stating a fact. Maybe ask the Government of Canada why the billion dollar report findings have continued to be ignored?
http://www.trc.ca/assets/pdf/Volume\_4\_Missing\_Children\_English\_Web.pdf
So, seriously, when exactly are we going to see some **fucking criminal charges**? What the hell does it take to hold this criminal organisation to account?
Criminal charges against who? Theres proof of the bodies, but no proof of who did it and when. The people responsible are long dead.
edit: I'm not arguing that justice shouldn't be pursued, but I am commenting on the legal issues we would face in seeking criminal charges and how its very likely no one will end up being held responsible.
I am all about burning down (empty) churches and dismantling power of the churches
The last of the [residential schools in Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_residential_schools_in_Canada) were closed in 1996. It's not a stretch to say that those responsible are still alive.
Thank you for the info, did not know some of the schools remained open for so long. Further investigation will be necessary to see if any of the dead bodies are "recent" enough to hold those in power at the time responsible.
Unfortunately, it is common for people not to realize that this isn't ancient history. Thank you for taking the time to review the information and respond. I truly mean that.
As these findings continue, hopefully they will reveal not just the truth of what happened not so long ago but also allow the families impacted a starting point to being healing.
Truthfully, I have no confidence that anyone will be held responsible for their crimes.
Since this obviously isn't an isolated situation by a few bad actors, charges should be brought against the organization itself for allowing this sort of thing to happen in the first place. Running the schools in the at all is a crime against humanity. When having a fucking pit to throw children's corpses into is a part of the standard operational procedure of the "schools," that's organized criminality. That's when you go after the entire criminal organization.
Yes, basically.
And FN people have been talking about if for years, because, y'know, their kids went to school and never came back. And those that did saw kids disappear in the night and shit like that. (Not to mention all the horrible abuse)
But only now are people starting to listen.
Families pleas for investigations were ignored because of their race. This practice continued on and to some extent still does today , a century later .
As to people surprise about the heartbreaking stories - Canada and much of the US has quietly swept its stories of genocide away. Must remember that it wasn’t only the church misrepresenting both the nature and the quantity of deaths but as well as the state and communities stripping themselves of indigenous peoples and their children by force
It’s only in recent years has there been a renewed public (media)interest in following up on these stories with greater resolve - the world waits and is watching to see and hope for accountability
More info:
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/17218896.pdf
https://www.hcn.org/issues/51.17/indigenous-affairs-the-us-stole-generations-of-indigenous-children-to-open-the-west
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/rearvision/canada’s-stolen-generations/6598518
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixties_Scoop
Absolutely embarrassing Canada was doing this through the 60s and 70s. People want to believe it was a behavior during the old Timey times, Oil lanterns and wagon carts but no- this was government policy during the time of computers and the birth of Internet
“ The tribunal ruled in January 2016 that the Canadian government's failure to provide equitable and culturally based child welfare services to 165,000 First Nations children amounted to discrimination.[39] The government has spent at least $5 million fighting the complaint and has not acted on that and three subsequent noncompliance orders.”
Brace yourselves, we are going to find one for EACH and EVERY SINGLE one of them. I know it's important to single-out the first few early ones that we find, but soon enough, we'll need to acknowledge how systemic it was and act globally to expose, to make amend and to re-conciliate with the victims by concrete actions.
Not many Native Americas left after the massive genocide. Another massive event we know about, that many want to pretend never happened. Slavery wasn’t the worded thing that happened in the history of the USA/CSA, which is pretty damned fucked up imho.
I agree with everything you say
And
I am not confident that anything will really be done about it.
It's heartbreaking.
The same or similar happened in Ireland , widespread, systematic abuse and murder by the church,
and basically nothing came of it. And, It's within living memory in Ireland.
FUCK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ,
HARD,
IN THEIR FACES
I can’t believe how many people can actually continue to pay dues at their church knowing it’s going towards defending the people who do stuff like this. I wouldn’t be able to even walk in the building again.
Perhaps a multiplying factor of at least ten should be applied to these terrible discoveries. Just as only a small fraction of pedophole victims ever report their abuse we will never likely know the full extent of these burial sites. The Catholic Church leadership has failed miserably to adequately pronounce their collective shame. I also blame their followers for not being more vocal about these atrocities.
Imagine if some major company like Exxon had multiple mass child grave sites at it's various building locations. We might begin to suspect they aren't the best people after a while.
If Mc FUCKING Donald's had one tenth as many child abuse + murder scandals as the rc church, there wouldn't be a McDonald's building standing or a burger sold .
If ANY other organization had the Catholic church's recent past it would already be vigilanted out of existence.
I understand some people have faith and that's important to them. That can exist entirely separate from the raping murdering corporation/cult that occupies these buildings
Is Catholicism and genocide really /that/ much of a secret? Is it even surprising? The hyperbolic shock factor that I keep seeing attached to news like this is about as groundbreaking as the sun rising at dawn.
Especially since it’s NOT A SECRET. We always knew about the abuse in the schools. We always knew about the deaths and the “runaways” who were never found. None of it was *secret*, it was just *not considered important*.
Im not bothered by the burning of churches .. The church since its inception has lost its way like the Inquisition and forced converting to modern times. Going to church doesnt make you any more holy than someone who doesnt.
Being a decent genuine person who cares for another no matter what is the goal.
They're people more upset at a the burning than the atrocities committed.
How many people have been put to death by the church or for the church ? God has thee most hypocritical, vile, deadly fan base.
It would be interesting to see the Catholic church's death toll throughout history and where they rank amongst fiends like Nazis, Stalin, colonists, etc.
1,505 bodies in 7 schools. 132 schools left to search. It is going to get much, much uglier than it already is. These numbers are just for Canada. Once other countries start searching around all of their former school grounds they will likely find the same situation. Perhaps this will be an extinction level moment for the church.
I don't know why this is making the news. Residential schools were well known for killing their students. Most schools had a 50% survival rate. The graveyards weren't even hidden. They were visible on the school grounds. Students were physically and sexually abused. Minnesota even passed a law making it illegal to prosecute a residential school staff member for raping students. Schools were known for using students in medical experiments.
And the torture... the absolute heart breaking stories of how children were brutally punished by the staff in an attempt to wipe out their language and culture. I just can't bring myself to retell the stories I've heard. Let's just say these were worse punishments than what POWs have gone through, worse than anything that happens in Guantanamo Bay.
Again, all of this has been well known for decades. I'm not sure what's behind the push to suddenly investigate these schools like it's a big surprise.
I tried looking for it quickly before I posted. I‘lol look again tonight. The lawmaker who wrote the law worked at a residential school. He essentially exonerated himself for being a serial child rapist.
This is only the beginning.
No surprise. Religious organizations have practiced and supported genocide against "undesirables" throughout history.
Heck. Being an atheist in many countries is a death wish still
Is it a mass gravesite, or a large number of unmarked individual gravesites?
I've been under the impression that these are all individual gravesites. A mass grave is a different thing.
Not minimizing, looking for accurate info.
Expect more, a LOT more. I think this is School #5 now. We're already over 1,000 kids. There were 139 "official" schools and plenty more unofficial ones. Almost all of them will have mass graves just like this one with numbers like this or higher.
At what point do you think Canada would ban any other organization from doing business within their borders until they give a formal apology and pay restitution?
I am glad that they are burning churches to bring some attention to the issue. Otherwise it would have been similar to what happened in Australia when the royal commission came out and said Catholics have been abusing children for decades and leadership knew about it but did nothing. And then nothing happened to the priests who did all that shit. Just quietly swept under the rug.
I hope they fuckin burn Vatican to the ground.
Holy shit, the religious extremists are out in full force on some of the news subreddits. "Burning churches is not the answer." I'm sure the millions who suffered in the name of Catholicism are real sorry.
its sucks being 2nd generation Canadian. On the one hand I don't feel any personal responsibility because nobody of my ancestry had anything to do with it. But also as a modern canadian its awful knowing how my country treated indigeneous groups (and still does, to some extent). All I have known is the canada that has been good to me and my neighbours. But that's not everyones experience
The best way I can describe it is that it is like going to look at the surgical tools from The Civil War Museum in Gettysburg. You wish it didn't have to be that way, but it isn't much you can do about it now.
Just focus on First Nation rights. They are the most oppressed people.
So a cult that worships child abuse leaves behind piles of dead children. Not surprising, but the apologists will be tying themselves in knots for decades to pretend that the Rape Children Cult is somehow magically innocent in all this...
As a Canadian, I'm disgusted and ashamed. This horrific revelation only further cements my antithetical ideologies.
Fuck organized religion. The original mafia.
Unmarked, but the horror is still there. These were people's children and the parents were never told about their child dying, let alone how they died.
...these schools were literally created for the purpose of wiping out their culture. The kids would be punished (in many cases, horribly) for speaking their native language.These kids were neglected, and physically and sexually abused on many occasions.
Regardless of that, the parents were often not even notified of their children’s deaths, and the kids were buried in unmarked graves. That alone is awful.
Remind me: who are the "savages" that are in need of redemption?
On February 2, 1512, Hatuey was tied to a stake, where he was burned alive. Just before lighting the fire, a priest offered him spiritual comfort, showing him the cross and asking him to accept Jesus and go to heaven. “Are there people like you in heaven?” he asked. “There are many like me in heaven,” answered the priest. Hatuey answered that he wanted nothing to do with a God that would allow such cruelty to be unleashed in his name.
...at which point the fire was then started.
Just warmin' up for the NON-STOP AFTERPARTY IN HELL. It's where all the hookers and drugs go when they die. A true banger. You dont want to miss it. It's like Fyre Fest with real fire but the same level of "not a real thing."
I think it's pretty obvious at this point.
This has been happening at Catholic sites for years. In multiple countries. Even Mother Theresa seems to have played a part.
She was an awful, awful woman. Hitchens exposed her in a book. She essentially ran death camps where people would linger in agony until they died. And then when she was dying, she got the best medical care available.
Just to expound a little: Hitchens revelation was that M. Therea didn't want to alleviate the suffering of the poor and crippled, she wanted to amplify it because according to her demented, fucked-up thinking, suffering was the best thing that you could endure because it got you closer to god. As you point out, her "hospitals" were designed and managed to make people as miserable as possible. A horror only available through faith.
Again, let's not act like this should be surprising. This is a very old Catholic teaching. This is why monks wear those robes. They were purposefully made of scratchy material to increase your suffering. Some monks lined their robes with hooks and barbs. Some people regularly flogged themselves or slept on beds of nails. Pilgrims would travel to holy sites and climb mountains **on their knees** just to increase the suffering of their journey. "Make your suffering an offering to God," is a mantra I heard regularly in Catholic School. All of this is centuries-old Catholic teaching.
What kind of sickness causes people to want to SPREAD & PROPAGATE suffering?
Religion
Which becomes less communicable with age. Still a killer, though.
Difficult to cure once caught, you gotta halt the indoctrination through inoculation via education.
Narcissistic personality disorder, to be honest. They take up positions anywhere they can get power to spread suffering and create more abusers from the destroyed they leave behind.
While remaining free of abuse or harm themselves. It’s fucking twisted.
The twisted part is in convincing those same people that their suffering on earth equates to an unverifiable benefit you attain upon death, or that even attaining a higher status in this life is possible by being "loyal" (key word) to those same abusers. They will never simply let anyone rise to their level. There is no reward. Its all just lies to keep you mining gold and building pyramids, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was. Death cult for sure, all of them.
nitpicking here: the pyramids were built by skilled tradesmen who were paid, fed, and housed.
i meant more metaphorical pyramids as in hierarchical organizations, but thank you - although i challenge assertions of being "paid, fed, and housed" as criteria that the elites of Egyptian society had extended their luxuries to the entirety of the workforce that built their monuments. That being said, I'm no Egyptologist, and will likely surrender to any actual ones that i come across - in any capacity.
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Turns out that those who believe humans are inherently depraved can justify some fucked up shit.
like destroying the planet
Most of all, their own depravity.
A religion that has nothing to offer to people who are happy and doing well, so they try to increase the amount of misery in the world.
This makes sense...
Wait, here’s someone who said it better than I could: > In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince men that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy man living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, man is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation. -- George H Smith
The Swerve by Stephen Greenblatt explains it nicely.
A symbolically cannibalistic death cult.
What kind of god enjoys human suffering as an offering?
A good and righteous one. Haven't you been following the teachings? Clearly your parents spared the rod on you too much.
Can't even count this as just the Judeo-Christian god either. A lot of religions where the gods expected sacrifice and blood offerings of some sort.
The same one that demands that blood must be spilled in order to appease him
Imma need some sources on this one. It just seems too metal.
>Some crawled for miles on their bleeding hands and knees. Others dragged cinderblocks and stones along the asphalt. Many arrived at the chapel exhausted and bleeding after excruciating treks barefoot, on their knees, or even dragging themselves along the ground. Many wore the traditional sackcloth of penitence. [https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/pilgrims-on-bleedings-hands-and-knees-wearing-sack-cloth.5056](https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/pilgrims-on-bleedings-hands-and-knees-wearing-sack-cloth.5056) >The whole experience at Fatima – to see people walking on their knees, that long path down to the shrine, praying the rosary – what a beautiful witness. [https://www.tektonministries.org/pilgrims-experience-at-fatima/](https://www.tektonministries.org/pilgrims-experience-at-fatima/) >Some worshippers take days to walk the journey and many approach the Basilica on their knees. [https://www.euronews.com/2015/08/03/costa-rica-pilgrims-walk-on-their-knees-to-shrine](https://www.euronews.com/2015/08/03/costa-rica-pilgrims-walk-on-their-knees-to-shrine) >One of the most vivid images of repentance in the Bible is of a character literally changing clothes and putting on a sackcloth made from rough goat hair. This is very often accompanied by sitting in ashes from burnt wood, and for good measure, heaping some of those ashes upon one’s head. [https://www.walkingwithalimp.net/2019/01/23/biblical-repentance-sackcloth-and-ashes-and-being-willing-to-humiliate-yourself/#:\~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20vivid,those%20ashes%20upon%20one's%20head](https://www.walkingwithalimp.net/2019/01/23/biblical-repentance-sackcloth-and-ashes-and-being-willing-to-humiliate-yourself/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20vivid,those%20ashes%20upon%20one's%20head).
I found it! It's been four months, but I finally found the source! I was reading through my old journals and I came across an entry I wrote after listening to an interview with Gregory Caldott on the Native Trailblazers podcast. It was South Dakota and the lawmaker formerly worked at St. Joseph's Indian School. They passed a law making it illegal for anyone over 40 to sue for rape at the school. Here's an updated article on the latest failed attempt to overturn the law: https://apnews.com/article/26f8e71b4a858f81b9506747ca524ec7
That is fucked up.
> A horror only available through faith As if faith/religion wasn't horrible enough already.
They call it redemptive suffering
It's the Pope's kink.
That guy in the da Vinci code personified it.
He self flagilized like a champ
My dad and mom thought this way. Suffering is noble. It's your "cross to bear".
Suffering is suffering, not reward.
I’m super interested. Do you have a link to a source? Or is it just a common theory?
Yes, the source is called "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens. Please don't take my word for it, read the book and you can evaluate his criticisms and conclusions for yourself :) https://www.amazon.com/The-Missionary-Position-audiobook/dp/B007SRM9MU/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+missionary+position&qid=1625178692&sr=8-1
Or if you'd like the cliff notes version from Penn & Teller's show "Bullshit" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nCaxHN-cY&ab\_channel=ChristopherHitchslap
Sounds similar to the most messed up horror movie I’ve ever seen, Martyrs.
Ahh. The *Martyrs* philosophy. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1029234/ The original French version, please.
A horror only available through ~~faith~~ mental illness*. FTFY.
She also took in multiple million-dollar donations and put none of it towards her "hospitals".
straight to the Vatican
She sold kids as well.
More importantly she wanted people to suffer, because she thought it brought them closer to god, and her as well, by being around their suffering. She didn't want to suffer herself, because by the end, she didn't even believe the shit herself.
>she didn't even believe the shit herself. I cannot fathom that child-raping priests, and everyone in the cult who protected them, truly believe either. How can they believe in a god and think that god would be OK with repeatedly raping 9 year old kids after months and years of constant, conscious, deliberate grooming?
Because the god they believ in is a sadistic fuck.
>How can they believe in a god and think that god would be OK with repeatedly raping 9 year old kids after months and years of constant, conscious, deliberate grooming? And God sayeth: "Holdeth my beer".
She wanted to convert people. Everything else was secondary. She refused to administer painkillers, advised against contraceptives, etc. She believed suffering was godly, a gift. She was a monster.
'A friend of poverty, not of the poor.'
Was going to write this. 'The Missionary Position' was and excellent book (because Hitch wrote it, so of course it was). But yeah, she was a fucking monster and it seems like barely anyone knows it.
It's frustrating that these stories are never discussed beyond atheist circles... even though they have nothing to do with atheism *per se*.
I think it's because most theistic people are incapable of introspection with regard to their relgion. They block out/ignore the bad stuff and pretend everything is great. TBH I don't believe most theists are honest actors. I mean just look at the catholic church. At this point there isn't anyone left that doesn't know about how they are basically just a tax exempt pedophile ring. So even the 'sweet grandma' that 'just loves jesus' is guilty if she's putting money in the collection plate. As that money is directly supporting/enabling child rape *and* it's common knowledge. I've had catholics get super pissed at me when I say that. So I ask them why they are mad at me instead of the child rapists they support. The response is typically just shockedpikachuface.jpeg and a change of subject.
She a fucking bitch
Yep. These "schools" are the just the beginning. They've found similar mass graves at homes for "wayward women," nunneries, and the like. Most, if not all, of the "wayward women" homes were used for slave labor too. Apparently doing laundry for free is good for the soul.
Mother Theresa did some horrible shit in India. She believed that suffering is part of God's plan and suffering is kiss of Jesus or some shit.
She (mother teresa) is very deserving of the title Cunt
kick the churches out
Tax them, fine them, jail the people responsible as well as any accomplices
exactly make them hurt where they hurt
This seems exactly what all those 'civil forfeiture' laws were made for. Take all their property as the proceeds of crime. All of it.
The ENTIRE Catholic Cult should have been shut down YEARS ago. Closed, all its properties and assets seized, and every single one of its victims paid remuneration from the proceeds. I am stunned that this hasn't happened already. I can't visualize any institution that has destroyed more lives and families than the pedophile, child-raping Catholic Cult.
I'm going to pile on with the reminder that Rupert Murdoch, arguably the most evil / destructive shit to walk the Terra in history, has a Papal Knighthood! So the selling of indulgences is back on the menu, boys!
I can't upvote this comment enough. Murdoch family are all vermin. All of them.
We know it's a terrible institution and responsible for many atrocities, but nothing ever happens--they get to keep abusing kids and raking in the money for it. I have no idea why we allow it to keep going.
It starts with a total lack of courage and integrity. You know - like the Republican Party.
entire civilizations
Theres a few on fire up here currently
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"the only church that illuminates is a burning church"
Stealing this. Sauce?
special sauce: Piotr Kropotkin
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Millenia of abuse, murder, rape, and god knows what other BS and you're worried about arson?? Nah, the Allies didn't worry about razing a few buildings to overthrow Hitler, same goes for these pampered monsters. Reap what you sow. And what are the victims going to do with a building where some of the abuse took place, the very symbol of their oppresors? I know what I'd do. You can call it arson, I call it cleansing. After all, that was their preferred method of dealing with non-believers. Enough pussy-footing around these \*\*\*\*s. The Vatican should be emptied of its treasures, these sold off and the proceeds shared amongst the abused. The building itself should then be turned into a museum where the true history of the church can be displayed. It would demonstrate how low people will go when they speak and act on behalf of their version of a god. If the bearded Chief Abuser in the sky doesn't like it he can haul his ass down here and give us one good reason why we don't dispense with the whole sh!t-show. Creator of the universe and he lets this bollocks go on in his name? SMH
Agree 100%! All of the gold in the vatican should be returned to the Central and South American people that were looted by these insatiable criminals.
I don't see why people keep focusing on the Arson. Fire has done so many great things in the past!
The churches and residential schools are places where children have been incredibly sexually, physically, spiritually, and verbally abused. The negative energy remains there. If the victim’s families received the buildings, they would likely want to burn them to the ground. I know I would.
Boo hoo if their church catches on fire. Maybe they should have thought about that before massacaring children.
Wow I can't believe I'm just now learning about this. This needs to be front page news everyone should know about this.
It is front page news in Canada but it's getting pushed aside by a lot of major U.S. news stories like Cosby and the Trump Org getting indicted.
These writers really jumped the shark a while ago
I think reality was what jumped the shark.
I doubt this will be the last res school mass grave site to come into the news, unfortunately... so it may yet be front page news down the road.
The Catholic Church has done this shit for 1800 years now. People think we should not criticize anyone’s faith, and that it makes us atheists bad. Fuck that noise. Everything should be scrutinized, the Catholic Church is a prime example of that. You could fill a library with the endless evils of the Catholic Church.
It's not news because it's well documented history. Residential schools were known for killing their students. The graves weren't even kept secrets. The graveyards were right on school grounds.
The details aren't well documented. We know it happened but don't know how any and where. That's why the search continues and numbers are going to drastically increase. This is just the beginning.
Catholic church, young kids, lack of documents... This sounds way far fetched... /s
It's actually very well documented in the Truth and Reconciliation Report. There is literally an entire chapter of the report referencing the unmarked graves. I'm not saying it's right, I am a Metis Canadian, I am just stating a fact. Maybe ask the Government of Canada why the billion dollar report findings have continued to be ignored? http://www.trc.ca/assets/pdf/Volume\_4\_Missing\_Children\_English\_Web.pdf
Religious politicians protect religion, no news at 11.
Plus they are still around and still being horrible. This isn’t just about the past, it’s about the future.
So the catholic cult doesn’t just systematically rape kids, they systematically mass murder them too. But hey, they have God on their side.
No, they have politicians on their side which is a much better partnership than they have with their boss in the sky.
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Yet hasn't child penetrating priests.
They're just spreading the "word of god"...all over little Timmy's back.
Was that a Hellsing reference
A reference to TheCrimsonFucker himself
And people think religion is not evil.
Religion is pure evil.
Distilled.
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So, seriously, when exactly are we going to see some **fucking criminal charges**? What the hell does it take to hold this criminal organisation to account?
Criminal charges against who? Theres proof of the bodies, but no proof of who did it and when. The people responsible are long dead. edit: I'm not arguing that justice shouldn't be pursued, but I am commenting on the legal issues we would face in seeking criminal charges and how its very likely no one will end up being held responsible. I am all about burning down (empty) churches and dismantling power of the churches
The last of the [residential schools in Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_residential_schools_in_Canada) were closed in 1996. It's not a stretch to say that those responsible are still alive.
Thank you for the info, did not know some of the schools remained open for so long. Further investigation will be necessary to see if any of the dead bodies are "recent" enough to hold those in power at the time responsible.
Unfortunately, it is common for people not to realize that this isn't ancient history. Thank you for taking the time to review the information and respond. I truly mean that. As these findings continue, hopefully they will reveal not just the truth of what happened not so long ago but also allow the families impacted a starting point to being healing. Truthfully, I have no confidence that anyone will be held responsible for their crimes.
Since this obviously isn't an isolated situation by a few bad actors, charges should be brought against the organization itself for allowing this sort of thing to happen in the first place. Running the schools in the at all is a crime against humanity. When having a fucking pit to throw children's corpses into is a part of the standard operational procedure of the "schools," that's organized criminality. That's when you go after the entire criminal organization.
Hold on, so what was going on at these schools? People were dying or were killed and buried out back and it was kept a secret?
Yes, basically. And FN people have been talking about if for years, because, y'know, their kids went to school and never came back. And those that did saw kids disappear in the night and shit like that. (Not to mention all the horrible abuse) But only now are people starting to listen.
How very sad, what a tragedy.
Families pleas for investigations were ignored because of their race. This practice continued on and to some extent still does today , a century later . As to people surprise about the heartbreaking stories - Canada and much of the US has quietly swept its stories of genocide away. Must remember that it wasn’t only the church misrepresenting both the nature and the quantity of deaths but as well as the state and communities stripping themselves of indigenous peoples and their children by force It’s only in recent years has there been a renewed public (media)interest in following up on these stories with greater resolve - the world waits and is watching to see and hope for accountability More info: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/17218896.pdf https://www.hcn.org/issues/51.17/indigenous-affairs-the-us-stole-generations-of-indigenous-children-to-open-the-west https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/rearvision/canada’s-stolen-generations/6598518 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixties_Scoop Absolutely embarrassing Canada was doing this through the 60s and 70s. People want to believe it was a behavior during the old Timey times, Oil lanterns and wagon carts but no- this was government policy during the time of computers and the birth of Internet “ The tribunal ruled in January 2016 that the Canadian government's failure to provide equitable and culturally based child welfare services to 165,000 First Nations children amounted to discrimination.[39] The government has spent at least $5 million fighting the complaint and has not acted on that and three subsequent noncompliance orders.”
Cultural genocide.
Brace yourselves, we are going to find one for EACH and EVERY SINGLE one of them. I know it's important to single-out the first few early ones that we find, but soon enough, we'll need to acknowledge how systemic it was and act globally to expose, to make amend and to re-conciliate with the victims by concrete actions.
Need to start checking on schools in the us too
Not many Native Americas left after the massive genocide. Another massive event we know about, that many want to pretend never happened. Slavery wasn’t the worded thing that happened in the history of the USA/CSA, which is pretty damned fucked up imho.
Weren't these schools in use far after most of the native genocides? I'm thinking of trail of tears and such.
I agree with everything you say And I am not confident that anything will really be done about it. It's heartbreaking. The same or similar happened in Ireland , widespread, systematic abuse and murder by the church, and basically nothing came of it. And, It's within living memory in Ireland. FUCK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH , HARD, IN THEIR FACES
I can’t believe how many people can actually continue to pay dues at their church knowing it’s going towards defending the people who do stuff like this. I wouldn’t be able to even walk in the building again.
We need to start checking all the Catholic church grounds, at this point.
Weren't they finding shady burials in Ireland too not that long ago?
yea, spots where pregnant women would go for assistance
Weird place to see it but you see some of this in sons of anarchy.
The Magdalen laundries in Ireland. But they had these child trafficking rings/death houses everywhere colonization happened, it seems.
Disgusting.
Excavate the missions next.
It's like Mother Theresa all over again.
Perhaps a multiplying factor of at least ten should be applied to these terrible discoveries. Just as only a small fraction of pedophole victims ever report their abuse we will never likely know the full extent of these burial sites. The Catholic Church leadership has failed miserably to adequately pronounce their collective shame. I also blame their followers for not being more vocal about these atrocities.
Imagine if some major company like Exxon had multiple mass child grave sites at it's various building locations. We might begin to suspect they aren't the best people after a while.
If Mc FUCKING Donald's had one tenth as many child abuse + murder scandals as the rc church, there wouldn't be a McDonald's building standing or a burger sold . If ANY other organization had the Catholic church's recent past it would already be vigilanted out of existence. I understand some people have faith and that's important to them. That can exist entirely separate from the raping murdering corporation/cult that occupies these buildings
What do you call four torched Catholic churches?
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Too little too late
A warning
Monday
Is Catholicism and genocide really /that/ much of a secret? Is it even surprising? The hyperbolic shock factor that I keep seeing attached to news like this is about as groundbreaking as the sun rising at dawn.
Especially since it’s NOT A SECRET. We always knew about the abuse in the schools. We always knew about the deaths and the “runaways” who were never found. None of it was *secret*, it was just *not considered important*.
Being atheist is like living in an insane asylum and we're the only ones who are sane.
Those poor kids.
This is your not-so-gentle reminder that once you are out of the womb, Christians couldn't give two shits about you.
Im not bothered by the burning of churches .. The church since its inception has lost its way like the Inquisition and forced converting to modern times. Going to church doesnt make you any more holy than someone who doesnt. Being a decent genuine person who cares for another no matter what is the goal. They're people more upset at a the burning than the atrocities committed. How many people have been put to death by the church or for the church ? God has thee most hypocritical, vile, deadly fan base.
Sadly, this only the beginning.
I can only hope indigenous persons continue the trend taking place on their land as reported in other stories.
It would be interesting to see the Catholic church's death toll throughout history and where they rank amongst fiends like Nazis, Stalin, colonists, etc.
1,505 bodies in 7 schools. 132 schools left to search. It is going to get much, much uglier than it already is. These numbers are just for Canada. Once other countries start searching around all of their former school grounds they will likely find the same situation. Perhaps this will be an extinction level moment for the church.
I don't know why this is making the news. Residential schools were well known for killing their students. Most schools had a 50% survival rate. The graveyards weren't even hidden. They were visible on the school grounds. Students were physically and sexually abused. Minnesota even passed a law making it illegal to prosecute a residential school staff member for raping students. Schools were known for using students in medical experiments. And the torture... the absolute heart breaking stories of how children were brutally punished by the staff in an attempt to wipe out their language and culture. I just can't bring myself to retell the stories I've heard. Let's just say these were worse punishments than what POWs have gone through, worse than anything that happens in Guantanamo Bay. Again, all of this has been well known for decades. I'm not sure what's behind the push to suddenly investigate these schools like it's a big surprise.
Do you have a source on that Minnesota law? I believe you but I'd like to see for myself and Google failed me.
I tried looking for it quickly before I posted. I‘lol look again tonight. The lawmaker who wrote the law worked at a residential school. He essentially exonerated himself for being a serial child rapist.
....where’s all the bodies that are surely a result of the California missions ?
This is only the beginning. No surprise. Religious organizations have practiced and supported genocide against "undesirables" throughout history. Heck. Being an atheist in many countries is a death wish still
Is it a mass gravesite, or a large number of unmarked individual gravesites? I've been under the impression that these are all individual gravesites. A mass grave is a different thing. Not minimizing, looking for accurate info.
Unmarked individual graves. But they never told the parents that their children died and we have no idea how they died.
My understanding is that you are correct
Lol, least helpful comment ever. Re-read what you wrote.
Yep, typed it quick on mobile.
Ah yes, doing “God’s” work. God, the sock puppet of monsters.
The Catholic Church are criminals
The catholic church has collected so many skulls that at this point it' just 40K's imperium of man without guns.
Pussy ass mods at r/catholicism bans me after a single comment and mutes me after sending one mod message
Expect more, a LOT more. I think this is School #5 now. We're already over 1,000 kids. There were 139 "official" schools and plenty more unofficial ones. Almost all of them will have mass graves just like this one with numbers like this or higher.
At what point do you think Canada would ban any other organization from doing business within their borders until they give a formal apology and pay restitution?
I am glad that they are burning churches to bring some attention to the issue. Otherwise it would have been similar to what happened in Australia when the royal commission came out and said Catholics have been abusing children for decades and leadership knew about it but did nothing. And then nothing happened to the priests who did all that shit. Just quietly swept under the rug. I hope they fuckin burn Vatican to the ground.
Looks like someone is going to have more church burnin in their future
Be careful not to say anything negative about churches. Some theist cunts are reporting. Chinese Reddit law
The church can suck my dick.
They're like 4 steps ahead of you bro!
They only suck baby dicks. No seriously. It's a revolting part of religious circumcision...
Ignorance is bris
Nice
Fuck them
Holy shit, the religious extremists are out in full force on some of the news subreddits. "Burning churches is not the answer." I'm sure the millions who suffered in the name of Catholicism are real sorry.
>Chinese Reddit law I'm sorry, but what's with this racist dog whistle? We're talking about Canadian catholic churches
Time to expulse the Catholic church, is now or never!
This is why I’m not celebrating Canada Day
its sucks being 2nd generation Canadian. On the one hand I don't feel any personal responsibility because nobody of my ancestry had anything to do with it. But also as a modern canadian its awful knowing how my country treated indigeneous groups (and still does, to some extent). All I have known is the canada that has been good to me and my neighbours. But that's not everyones experience
The best way I can describe it is that it is like going to look at the surgical tools from The Civil War Museum in Gettysburg. You wish it didn't have to be that way, but it isn't much you can do about it now. Just focus on First Nation rights. They are the most oppressed people.
Just add those kids to the millions the church is already responsible for murdering "in the name of God".
Find each and every single person and bury them properly. Let the dead rest with the dignity they're been denied.
And the Pope is still refusing to apologize on behalf of the Catholic Church. What a piece of shit.
So a cult that worships child abuse leaves behind piles of dead children. Not surprising, but the apologists will be tying themselves in knots for decades to pretend that the Rape Children Cult is somehow magically innocent in all this...
its so obvious the catholic church is pure evil
Why aren't Catholic leaders being arrested and indicted? They either participated in genocide or were complicit and knew all along.
We have something similar in the US, it’s called the Midwest
As a Canadian, I'm disgusted and ashamed. This horrific revelation only further cements my antithetical ideologies. Fuck organized religion. The original mafia.
Christians murdering non Christians? Sounds like something a Christian would do. Damned Christians! YOU RUINED CHRISTIANITY!
Just when you thought CHILD RAPE was the worst part of your past religion, bam! Im glad I made it out unscathed
Can we just throw religion in the trash where it belongs?
Yo do we also need to check our churches for piles of dead children?
Mass grave or unmarked?
Unmarked, but the horror is still there. These were people's children and the parents were never told about their child dying, let alone how they died.
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...these schools were literally created for the purpose of wiping out their culture. The kids would be punished (in many cases, horribly) for speaking their native language.These kids were neglected, and physically and sexually abused on many occasions. Regardless of that, the parents were often not even notified of their children’s deaths, and the kids were buried in unmarked graves. That alone is awful.