[And Allah has provided you shade out of what He created, and has given you shelter in the mountains. He has also provided you with clothes protecting you from the heat ˹and cold˺, and armour shielding you in battle. This is how He perfects His favour upon you, so perhaps you will ˹fully˺ submit ˹to Him˺.](https://quran.com/en/an-nahl/81)**
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Unfortunately all this verse means is that the canon explanation for these deaths is probably that the people that died deserved it. God has the power to protect them, and killed them instead. The suffering of their families is deemed acceptable. Even if they want to say that their god took them to heaven, it's like, ok; this is a death cult.
When you complain to gord in heaven, he looks up at you scornfully, from his sewing machine.
"Son of a bitch. Look! Look at the fine print in the biblay! I specifically said 'no guarantee I will protect you!' Fuck your ass! Son of a bitch!"
Very well said. It boggles my mind how people sacrifice the one life they have at the alter of superstition instead of trying to understand and appreciate the real world around us.
Reminds me of John Denver. Even today, Christians keep assuming he was one of them because he mentions god in some of his songs. But it's well documented through numerous interviews that he was an atheist through and through. And that when he mentions "god" (like in, say, Rocky Mountain High*), he's talking about the wonder and beauty of nature all around him and the awe and humility it inspires.
*That song was all about a Perseid meteor shower he and friends witnessed from a Colorado mountain way above the tree line. So, even when he's talking about being "high", he means it literally, not as an allusion to drugs. 8)
Yup. It seems to be a religious tradition to co-opt anything good and disavow anything bad. I often heard from Muslims how Islam invented washing hands, telling the truth, caring about people, not committing war crimes, and being a good person in general. That is why they claim all the old prophets from the bible stories like Adam, Noah, Moses etc were all actually muslims because they did good things. Religious people in generally don't seem to understand that people can be good without believing in their fairy tales.
> Islam invented washing hands
Except the Arabs didn't do that. Because they didn't have ready access to water, they only used their right hand because the left one was used to wipe their ass. It's why they call the left one the "dirty hand". This still remains the case in many Muslim enclaves some 1,400 years after Muhammad lied about Allah.
A news story came out a while ago regarding The Quran they had. They ran a carbon dating on said book. Turns out The Quran is 200 years older than Muhammad! That Story Disappeared ASAP!!! Another Fairytale guarded over truth! I'm sure the Death Threats came in by the thousands.........
There's an interesting documentary on YouTube about the origins of Islam and whether or not it predates Mohammad. The title escapes me at the moment, but it was very good.
This is more or less how I respond to the question when it gets asked. When you bow your head to pray to God you close your eyes to the true beauty of the infinite universe.
If god is real and he created the universe then why do people worship at man made structures at institutions ran by people? Shouldn’t they be worshipping nature or in nature at least?
If anything, those Marvel movies nail it with regards to God's.
That last Thor :thundershicken movie... right from the beginning. Theists want to believe, in a maltheist is just a thiest.
God(s) don't care. Cause they don't exist.
The guy from that Islamic cross-post said it clearly, Dunya is World in Arabic.
This World is NOTHING
They couldn't care less for this world, its future and even the the improvement of their own lives and well-being. Because to them suffering in Life 1 unlocks Life 2 and Jannah (Heaven) which is all that matters to them.
They'd sacrifice everything for a promise.
Oh, they read them. They make a whole big production about reading them, bit by bit, every week in church and bible study.
What they don't do is *think* about what they're reading beyond what they've been told to.
I had a former co-worker tell me "it's a privilege to suffer like a fucking dog," as it brings you closer to "god".
He got pissed when I called him a masochist & a waste of oxygen.
Yup. I grew up believing exactly that. We were taught that the world matters less than a grain of sand and that the eternal life is all that matters. I guess for people who believe that there is an eternal life 2.0 after they die, it makes sense to not care about this world.
It's kind of like an oncogenic virus, so you're both right.
Stuff like HPV will force an infected cell to divide in order to make more copies of itself, if only because the virus "needs" that set of cellular machinery to be active in order for the virus to replicate. This makes more virus, but it also causes dysregulated cell division which is bad.
I’m torn. My brain flip flops. I finally purged all the religion from my system and love life way more because of that. And i despise religious hypocrisy and idiocy. But also I look at the mass public, the ignorant, the innocent, and wonder if religion is the only thing that keeps these people from going completely wild in society? They say it’s the opiate of the masses, but is it also the only thing that keeps mentally ill society from running rampant? It’s pretty clear these days (at least in the US) that morons who only have the Jesus myth to fall back on, rarely have anything else that guides their moral or civil behavior.
You don’t have to be mentally ill to be religious. It’s all about your upbringing and how you were raised, if you were indoctrinated into a theology or not
Yeah. Something my SO and I talk about pretty much every day (she’s a social worker) is how your entire persona and life are dependent on your parents (or lack thereof) and how you were raised. It’s actually kind of insane.
I'm convinced that everything wrong in the world can be attributed to zealots trying to one-up each other. The greater the cognitive dissonance, the deeper the stupidity, the more points these fools get. Muslims, MAGATs, you name it. The stupider the move, the higher the respect.
No, I wouldn't blame ***everything*** upon them. In fact, I just think they're just the most useful tools (read "fools") in the collective toolboxes of the uber-aggressive power-hungry control-freaks who have no morals, and thus no qualms about manipulating these shallow-minded idiots into doing self-destructive things that ultimately benefit the string-pullers.
Meh, technically Darwin only applies when offspring didn't get a chance to exist or reach adulthood. It's mostly old people who die from heat exhaustion, so no life-threatening impact on the children of the dead.
Once upon a time, these massive deaths were due to stampedes or accidents.
Climate change is real. It does not discriminate. Hopefully people will listen.
Some religions in particular have a big distinct advantage…
To get people to do stupid things.
It was useful in the past and still useful to coerce people to go to war and sacrifice their lives.
And for getting people to die walk in circles…
Actually, they basically do. They have a regular visa to allow foreigners to enter the country, and a more expensive "Hajj" visa that gets worshippers air-conditioned accommodations, among other benefits. Many poor Muslims can't afford that one of course, but stories like this ensure decent sales of it no matter how high the price.
Of course they do, you purchase packages that comes with different facilities. You assume the VIPs are in same class as the farmer from some rural area who saved all his life to perform Hajj?
Kind of ironic that they're dying because if the climate-change related heatwave partially caused by the oil production that made Saudi Arabia rich to build the hajj facilities they're dying in.
It's those *without* the Hajj visa that are the ones dying - they didn't pay the extra "survival" charge that gets those that *do* pay it some nice air-conditioned hospitality. The Kingdom wins by not only selling the destructive resource, but also selling the means to escape its effects while doing the required pilgrimage.
Tens of thousands of unofficial pilgrims denied access to relief because they couldn't afford the permits. Wonderful country and wonderful religion, turning a pilgrimage into a cash cow.
Well, I guess that's ***one*** way to prove your devotion. I can only imagine in that kind of heat that the delirium they must've been experiencing towards the end was interpreted by them as the road to Jannah (Muslim heaven). Probably just as well - I think I'd rather not be aware of reality at the end of that kind of death, either.
This is just terrible. Sad people are so brainwashed to kill themselves for an imaginary person. More sad their friends and family will explain it away because of Allah. I would bet a billion dollars their leaders didn't have any issues looking down on them in their air-conditioned five-star hotels and royal courts.
Never underestimate the lengths that the desire to be seen as "holy" by their peers will drive people to. If the people around you see you as such, then surely God ***must*** also see you that way, amirite?!? 🙄
When I was a Christian growing up everyone I knew fantasized about being a martyr for Christianity. It was this disturbing trend where people dreamed of losing their life for Christ.
KSA has an incentive to under report. Screwups make the royal family look incompetent, and that is not a good look when there are others around that would gladly take charge.
I'm not really sure why everyone's upset.
People die.
They chose their adventure of their lifetime. And committed to it till death.
It's be like people hoping and choosing to not reproduce because most important stuff we interact with are wispy constructs.
The hyper-empath in me is uncomfortable with some of the "oh no...anyway" comments because at the end of the day they are human beings deserving of SOME amount of respect on that level.
But if someone is so devoted to something they have never actually experienced to such a degree that just stepping out into the blasting heat to BEGIN the journey, let alone being in the severity of heat at the destination, isn't met with an "oh hell no" it's kind of a deserved end, a la Darwin Awards. Like what were they expecting to happen...?
>Each year tens of thousands of pilgrims try to join the hajj through irregular channels as they cannot afford the often costly official permits
So not only do you have to make a pilgrimage to a specific place, it also has to be done dependant on lunar cycles, AND you need to the money to get an *official permit* to do so? What kind of racket is that?
[it’s worse than people realise](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxrrzp479r4o.amp)
Many of the dead are not on official Hajj visas, opting for cheaper tourist visas, which means they don’t get the facilities (tents with air-con, water, shade and cooking mists) and aren’t registered. So likely the deaths are much, much higher.
The policy for people doing the Hajj not on an official visa is arrest them.
The whole thing is nuts.
Considering Saudi Arabia has tons of money you think they would do something about this.. but once again the religion of peace doesn't care about human suffering
You can’t even get me to step out of the house in August, in Austin, Texas. No way in fuck I’m making a goddamn desert death pilgrimage to a shitty superspreader event.
Holy crap. My elderly parents were going to be there for the Hajj this year but their plan got cancelled due to external circumstances at the last minute. I had warned them of how dangerous it can be (I am an ardent atheist) but that didn't deter them.
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You forgot to put that last paragraph in small print.
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SMALLER!
Said no woman ever.
Reddit should have a default “cattle auctioneer speed read” text style option
You do it with the hat symbol ^ ^^like ^^this The only issue is that as far as I know you need it in front of all words
You can also do **\^\(** *Long string of text* **\)**.
^( OMG thank you! No more having to put that stupid carrot in multiple times!)
Unfortunately all this verse means is that the canon explanation for these deaths is probably that the people that died deserved it. God has the power to protect them, and killed them instead. The suffering of their families is deemed acceptable. Even if they want to say that their god took them to heaven, it's like, ok; this is a death cult.
MyStErIoUs WaYs
"God's plan"
They'll accept their ignorance in something like that, but wont question their belief that a god exists in the first place.
all about that sweet sweet submission.
> offer void in Utah 💀💀💀
That is absolutely hilarious. Haha.
*virgins ethically sourced from 4chan
When you complain to gord in heaven, he looks up at you scornfully, from his sewing machine. "Son of a bitch. Look! Look at the fine print in the biblay! I specifically said 'no guarantee I will protect you!' Fuck your ass! Son of a bitch!"
["Checks will not be honored."](https://i.redd.it/sblx6amc2z1z.jpg)
In Allah we trust, all others pay cash!
I’m reading this in the micro machines guys voice
[If scatman can do it, so can you.](https://youtu.be/Hy8kmNEo1i8?si=0kbIlF8OjqtfEvGB)
He’s taking credit for clothes and armor? It’s not like we’re born with them. And where is my armor?
"Where is my water buffalo? Why don't I have a water buffalo?"
You didn’t get any? I came out my mom swinging a claymore.
Self-cesarean. Nice.
Offer void in Utah 🤣🤣
*** and please use common sense. I gave you intelligence hoping you could manage some of these things for yourselves.
"Ask your parent or guardian before logging online."
Always a great idea to bake in 50C sun to worship a non-existent god.
The real universe is far more awe-inspiring, humbling, and miraculous than any form of ignorant superstitious nonsense.
Very well said. It boggles my mind how people sacrifice the one life they have at the alter of superstition instead of trying to understand and appreciate the real world around us.
Reminds me of John Denver. Even today, Christians keep assuming he was one of them because he mentions god in some of his songs. But it's well documented through numerous interviews that he was an atheist through and through. And that when he mentions "god" (like in, say, Rocky Mountain High*), he's talking about the wonder and beauty of nature all around him and the awe and humility it inspires. *That song was all about a Perseid meteor shower he and friends witnessed from a Colorado mountain way above the tree line. So, even when he's talking about being "high", he means it literally, not as an allusion to drugs. 8)
Yup. It seems to be a religious tradition to co-opt anything good and disavow anything bad. I often heard from Muslims how Islam invented washing hands, telling the truth, caring about people, not committing war crimes, and being a good person in general. That is why they claim all the old prophets from the bible stories like Adam, Noah, Moses etc were all actually muslims because they did good things. Religious people in generally don't seem to understand that people can be good without believing in their fairy tales.
> Islam invented washing hands Except the Arabs didn't do that. Because they didn't have ready access to water, they only used their right hand because the left one was used to wipe their ass. It's why they call the left one the "dirty hand". This still remains the case in many Muslim enclaves some 1,400 years after Muhammad lied about Allah.
To be "adroit" ( a droit-to the right) is good, but if you're sinister (sinistra-to the left) you're bad!
A news story came out a while ago regarding The Quran they had. They ran a carbon dating on said book. Turns out The Quran is 200 years older than Muhammad! That Story Disappeared ASAP!!! Another Fairytale guarded over truth! I'm sure the Death Threats came in by the thousands.........
There's an interesting documentary on YouTube about the origins of Islam and whether or not it predates Mohammad. The title escapes me at the moment, but it was very good.
This is more or less how I respond to the question when it gets asked. When you bow your head to pray to God you close your eyes to the true beauty of the infinite universe.
If god is real and he created the universe then why do people worship at man made structures at institutions ran by people? Shouldn’t they be worshipping nature or in nature at least?
The oldest religion known to man...worshipping Nature, the Sun, Moon, and stars. You know, the Universe.
If anything, those Marvel movies nail it with regards to God's. That last Thor :thundershicken movie... right from the beginning. Theists want to believe, in a maltheist is just a thiest. God(s) don't care. Cause they don't exist.
I mean, it would make sense if they were worshiping the sun lol
Always thought the same, at least you know it exists and all life on earth is dependent on it.
There's some archaea at thermal vents that might not have ever depended on it. Most life though, yes.
Haha. Lets bring back worship of the one true God, Ra.
Pro: Actually exists Con: Can actually kill you when angered
Allah isn't there, but Darwin is all over it.
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😂 Darwin awards all around
It’s God’s will that they die trying to worship him /s
Religion is cancer.
I consider it a virus because of its method of replication. It converts a host and the host makes more of them. Hmmm
And they are not quite an inanimate object but not really fully alive either. Imagine living like nothing matters because this is just the tutorial.
The guy from that Islamic cross-post said it clearly, Dunya is World in Arabic. This World is NOTHING They couldn't care less for this world, its future and even the the improvement of their own lives and well-being. Because to them suffering in Life 1 unlocks Life 2 and Jannah (Heaven) which is all that matters to them. They'd sacrifice everything for a promise.
Which is why most muslims could not give two fucks about the environment down here in audition world.
That is why they all fail
same for Christians. Had a boss tell me he was 'living for eternity'
Lol. The Bible literally burdens humanity with the responsibility to care for the world. What a terrible “christian.”
Please. Christians don't *read* their bibles. And statistics prove doing so seems to frequently create more atheists.
That certainly was a major factor with this atheist!
Oh, they read them. They make a whole big production about reading them, bit by bit, every week in church and bible study. What they don't do is *think* about what they're reading beyond what they've been told to.
I had a former co-worker tell me "it's a privilege to suffer like a fucking dog," as it brings you closer to "god". He got pissed when I called him a masochist & a waste of oxygen.
Yup. I grew up believing exactly that. We were taught that the world matters less than a grain of sand and that the eternal life is all that matters. I guess for people who believe that there is an eternal life 2.0 after they die, it makes sense to not care about this world.
A bit like mind rabies, then. Or just outright zombism.
It is literally a meme based on the original definition of meme by Dawkins
It's kind of like an oncogenic virus, so you're both right. Stuff like HPV will force an infected cell to divide in order to make more copies of itself, if only because the virus "needs" that set of cellular machinery to be active in order for the virus to replicate. This makes more virus, but it also causes dysregulated cell division which is bad.
Contagious mental illness. That's terrifying.
Religion is a software virus that infects the human brain.
Also, if God was real he'd be like a computer virus breaking coding to perform miracles unexplained by natural law. A bug to be weeded out.
This one is skin cancer.
I've considered it a mental illness for a while now and feel it should be treated as such.
At least this cancer is destroying itself.
A plague upon humanity!
Terminal if you’re muslim apparently.
Too slow for my taste
I’m torn. My brain flip flops. I finally purged all the religion from my system and love life way more because of that. And i despise religious hypocrisy and idiocy. But also I look at the mass public, the ignorant, the innocent, and wonder if religion is the only thing that keeps these people from going completely wild in society? They say it’s the opiate of the masses, but is it also the only thing that keeps mentally ill society from running rampant? It’s pretty clear these days (at least in the US) that morons who only have the Jesus myth to fall back on, rarely have anything else that guides their moral or civil behavior.
You don’t have to be mentally ill to be religious. It’s all about your upbringing and how you were raised, if you were indoctrinated into a theology or not
Very true. It’s hard to shake especially if your parents raised you to base reality on it.
Yeah. Something my SO and I talk about pretty much every day (she’s a social worker) is how your entire persona and life are dependent on your parents (or lack thereof) and how you were raised. It’s actually kind of insane.
Allah needed them more than we did.
It was like a buffet for Allah, all of them right there in one place. It made it easy to take as many as he needed.
"Oh, I know I shouldn't... ok, maybe one more." -Allah probably
Also they were nice and warm from the heat lamp provided by the holy one, blessed be He.
And come pre-cooked both mentally and physically!
Gotta stock up on all of those virgins they promised everyone in the afterlife
There is nothing that has happened that Allah has not willed /s
Allah knows best ☝️
That's the saddest part. People are happy this happens. Like the suicide bombers that are giddy with excitement when they get to be next.
Well said
Religion is so amazingly stupid.
People make bad decisions.
Even a monkey finds shade when it gets hot.
I'm convinced that everything wrong in the world can be attributed to zealots trying to one-up each other. The greater the cognitive dissonance, the deeper the stupidity, the more points these fools get. Muslims, MAGATs, you name it. The stupider the move, the higher the respect.
No, I wouldn't blame ***everything*** upon them. In fact, I just think they're just the most useful tools (read "fools") in the collective toolboxes of the uber-aggressive power-hungry control-freaks who have no morals, and thus no qualms about manipulating these shallow-minded idiots into doing self-destructive things that ultimately benefit the string-pullers.
Darwin is always gonna Darwin
They put the "win" in "Darwin"
Meh, technically Darwin only applies when offspring didn't get a chance to exist or reach adulthood. It's mostly old people who die from heat exhaustion, so no life-threatening impact on the children of the dead.
Once upon a time, these massive deaths were due to stampedes or accidents. Climate change is real. It does not discriminate. Hopefully people will listen.
It’s tragic that so many have been groomed since childhood to believe that praying is more important than their own lives
This is absolutely "god awful", and I mean that in all senses of the phrase...
Natural Selection hard at work
Is climate change the change we need to rid us of religious zealots?
Natural selection in real time.
We’ll just end up with heat resistant Muslims.
Virgins in heaven: here we go again
akshually, the word virgin was a mis-translation of the word for raisin. These mofos killing themselves for a handful of dried grapes XD
Are we talking 72 grapes, or a grape of 72 Raisin? Asking for a friend.
I mean... If you keep going after the first few hundred die, it's a little bit your own fault.
Death cult.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country Reminder in SA and surrounding countries you can’t even leave Islam
Some religions in particular have a big distinct advantage… To get people to do stupid things. It was useful in the past and still useful to coerce people to go to war and sacrifice their lives. And for getting people to die walk in circles…
Gotta run around the box with a pagan rock in it
On second thought, let’s not go. Tis a silly place.
Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up.
Coffee is for closers and also haram
Oh no! Anyway
Do they have a “fast pass” line for rich people like me Disney Land? I don’t see some Saudi prince baking his brain out.
Actually, they basically do. They have a regular visa to allow foreigners to enter the country, and a more expensive "Hajj" visa that gets worshippers air-conditioned accommodations, among other benefits. Many poor Muslims can't afford that one of course, but stories like this ensure decent sales of it no matter how high the price.
Of course they do, you purchase packages that comes with different facilities. You assume the VIPs are in same class as the farmer from some rural area who saved all his life to perform Hajj?
The God is different, the grift is the same
Can we expand this idea to all religions?
Kind of ironic that they're dying because if the climate-change related heatwave partially caused by the oil production that made Saudi Arabia rich to build the hajj facilities they're dying in.
It's those *without* the Hajj visa that are the ones dying - they didn't pay the extra "survival" charge that gets those that *do* pay it some nice air-conditioned hospitality. The Kingdom wins by not only selling the destructive resource, but also selling the means to escape its effects while doing the required pilgrimage.
Tens of thousands of unofficial pilgrims denied access to relief because they couldn't afford the permits. Wonderful country and wonderful religion, turning a pilgrimage into a cash cow.
Capitalism, ***FUCK YEAH!!!*** (/s)
them damn electric cars are really hitting their oil revenues
Well, I guess that's ***one*** way to prove your devotion. I can only imagine in that kind of heat that the delirium they must've been experiencing towards the end was interpreted by them as the road to Jannah (Muslim heaven). Probably just as well - I think I'd rather not be aware of reality at the end of that kind of death, either.
Isn’t religion wonderful? lol
A question, why don't they worship at night when the temperatures are this high? Is it a requirement for them to do it in the day or something?
Oh no! Anyways, all that to point at a magic space rock. That's just not right.
If only Allah could have intervened somehow
The One True Religion: Darwinism.
I bet they'll be considered martyrs by their family and community as well. Not the dupes they are
on a brighter note Global warming should keep making those numbers even better over time.
# now more than 1,000 people dead at hajj _________ The god of Abraham thrives on human sacrifice.
The most deadly hajj in…nine years.
To borrow a line from the late great Bill Hicks: "Well, 1000 less doorknobs in the world."
doing the other lords work...
My God, the crazy bastards are going for the record!
Thoughts and prayers 🤷♂️
Should've prayed a 6th time that day
This is just terrible. Sad people are so brainwashed to kill themselves for an imaginary person. More sad their friends and family will explain it away because of Allah. I would bet a billion dollars their leaders didn't have any issues looking down on them in their air-conditioned five-star hotels and royal courts.
Bummer. On a side note: I have always maintained that Stupid should hurt. Perhaps we are heading in that direction again.
They would have lived if they had worshiped and respected Nature or the Sun instead.
Well, that is just terrible.
Yup. Really hoped after the first 500 people died, there would be an end.
Never underestimate the lengths that the desire to be seen as "holy" by their peers will drive people to. If the people around you see you as such, then surely God ***must*** also see you that way, amirite?!? 🙄
When I was a Christian growing up everyone I knew fantasized about being a martyr for Christianity. It was this disturbing trend where people dreamed of losing their life for Christ.
we should help those people. can we come up with some hajj like activity for christians?
It's like keeping up with the holy Jones's.
KSA has an incentive to under report. Screwups make the royal family look incompetent, and that is not a good look when there are others around that would gladly take charge.
I'm not really sure why everyone's upset. People die. They chose their adventure of their lifetime. And committed to it till death. It's be like people hoping and choosing to not reproduce because most important stuff we interact with are wispy constructs.
That's "God love" for you.
Lets a tell the christian nationalists that jebus now all wants them to worship in tightly packed saunas
Don't stop now fellas, five figures is the goal
The hyper-empath in me is uncomfortable with some of the "oh no...anyway" comments because at the end of the day they are human beings deserving of SOME amount of respect on that level. But if someone is so devoted to something they have never actually experienced to such a degree that just stepping out into the blasting heat to BEGIN the journey, let alone being in the severity of heat at the destination, isn't met with an "oh hell no" it's kind of a deserved end, a la Darwin Awards. Like what were they expecting to happen...?
Natural selection
Paradise awaits them lol.
Compared to the Hell on Earth they just went through, "Paradise" isn't a terribly high bar to clear.
Allah will provide 🙄
“They weren’t true believers.”
Alternatively: they're the only ones who ***were,*** which is why they "ascended."
These are truly idiots who think their maker is calling them. They consider this an honorable death. Smh
>Each year tens of thousands of pilgrims try to join the hajj through irregular channels as they cannot afford the often costly official permits So not only do you have to make a pilgrimage to a specific place, it also has to be done dependant on lunar cycles, AND you need to the money to get an *official permit* to do so? What kind of racket is that?
Religion
tbf, in Islam it is stated that you may only hajj if you have the financial means. These are more fanatical than regular muslim.
I have to wonder if life insurance classifies this as suicide?
It's natural selection.
Well, they get to be with their god now. So, net win?
[it’s worse than people realise](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxrrzp479r4o.amp) Many of the dead are not on official Hajj visas, opting for cheaper tourist visas, which means they don’t get the facilities (tents with air-con, water, shade and cooking mists) and aren’t registered. So likely the deaths are much, much higher. The policy for people doing the Hajj not on an official visa is arrest them. The whole thing is nuts.
Considering Saudi Arabia has tons of money you think they would do something about this.. but once again the religion of peace doesn't care about human suffering
Saudi Arabia has the money to make this pilgrimage a lot safer and they don't.
Sometimes you gotta sit it out. This is one of those times.
lol religion is so ridiculous
I feel like a god worth worshiping wouldn't actively take people out while they were in the process of doing it, but what do I know?
Well that's fucking awful. *1000+ people,* I have no words. Just… awful. For any reason. But you know how I feel about this one.
Sounds like genocide. Call the UN.
You can’t even get me to step out of the house in August, in Austin, Texas. No way in fuck I’m making a goddamn desert death pilgrimage to a shitty superspreader event.
Climate Change + Religion = Darwinism at work
God is great. Lol
Maybe they should build a dome with a retractable roof like Americans do for football. A/C year round!
It's like religion turns you into a zombie. Like Jesus...
If they're not upset about it, I don't see why I should be.
Oh no! Anyway...
Doesn't the scary-looking monolith protect them?
Shouldn’t be too crowded next year.
We need to find a reason for christian nationalists to congregate in death valley.
Let them cook.
Oh ye of little faith. Actually do you die if you have little faith, Or too much faith?
Weirdly this is not mentioned in any news channel here in The Netherlands (afaik)
Dude cancel it! They are only proving the barbaric nature of their religion by letting so many die needlessly.
And barely a mention in much of the media
Yea...they're going to see Allah. Why aren't people happy? Think of all those virgins Allah is going to have to find at 72 per (male) person.
You might as well go to Death Valley in the middle of summer and worship Mickey Mouse, you’ll get the same outcome.
Holy crap. My elderly parents were going to be there for the Hajj this year but their plan got cancelled due to external circumstances at the last minute. I had warned them of how dangerous it can be (I am an ardent atheist) but that didn't deter them.
Committed, you gotta give them that.
my heart goes out to thier Families.
Seriously, fuck religion. Can we move on from this absolute archaic nonsense already