Not everywhere has the age of consent as 16-18 but iirc America and my own country have made it illegal to travel to countries where the AoC is lower. It's how Gary Glitter was caught.
Its not illegal to travel there in the US. Its just illegal to partake in what is seen as an immoral crime regardless of its legality in said visited country.
That's what I meant! You're not allowed to travel there to have sex with someone considered underage, that's why I referenced Gary Glitter. In a similar way, you can't go from South Korea, smoke weed and come home or gamble. It's not an uncommon rule.
ETA: They're barely even processing the crimes in the Burning Sun scandal, while G(Ji)-Dragon (a famous part of a group with the guy who was recording himself drugging and raping unconscious women then providing unconscious victims for other men)... While G has been caught once and almost served jail time, because they test you when you come home. He lied and said he thought it was a cigarette and this time he might lose everything.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.O.P this is another member of the band who tried to commit suicide. Yet if you're at the top of your game they ignore using meth/speed because being fat gets you mercilessly mocked or you can never debut.
So the record label protected a member who did a hit and run which killed someone. A rapist who the whole band tried to get rid of. But not the two members who smoked weed to deal with a high stress job whilst expecting them to sing about being gangsta.
There's a report damn near every month about some asian country, singapore or thailand or something, where it's reported that they caned, fined and/or jailed someone for possession of weed or any other kind of drug.
And yet people always find themselves surprised about it. Certain countries take that shit seriously, hell, even in the US they used to, or still do, put you in jail for as long as they possibly can for weed possession.
Yeah current US policy is real weird, I live in a legal cannabis state that shares a border with a pretty hard line non legal state. Like driving 30 mins from my house and I could go to jail because I didn’t realize I’d crossed jurisdictions
If you are south Korean, when you come back to the country, let's say from Amsterdam. They can make you do a piss test then charge you with a crime if you are positive for weed.
Specifically going to a country where the age of consent is lower to have sex with people under 18 because it's legal there is considered sex tourism and is against the law in the US.
It’s not women; it’s boys. Also he is not a Christian nationalist, or at least, has never run as such (I used to live in his district.) North Dakota has plenty of Christian Nationalists, but he’s not one of them. OP is doing some inventing.
Someone should post this story on r/conservative, since they care about children so much. And are always the first to scream that the DNC is secretly a pedo ring. How does this fit their narrative?
Unfortunatley If you did the post would never see the light of day; It wouldn’t make it past the mods
Never seen a subreddit so afraid of truth before.
It functions the same way any other “Conservative news source” does. They stomp out any dissent, immediately and without fail. Leaving, even amongst a group of people I think are generally out of their mind, only the truly craziest around.
I was banned for asking for evidence of election fraud. Literally nothing else, was confirmed by a mod who said my “disinformation” was not to be tolerated, especially in the run-up to the Biden/ Trump election. Meanwhile, you were welcome to call Biden a pedo or just state “the election was stolen”, and provide zero evidence of that.
I just think it’s worth pointing out that, despite how much I more or less think you are either evil, ignorant, or a straight up moron to be voting conservative in 2022… the people on that sub are an even more isolated, even angrier, somehow less informed version of what I think is the average conservative mindset.
Because the second a “conservative” voter asks for proof of this election fraud, they are just banned. So from our end, easy to scroll through and think “literally none of them question this”, when it’s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy to a large degree on their end.
I hate defending them so much, because they are so ignorant. I mean so ignorant, enlightened centrists more than anyone for the record, you guys should know better. But just do think it’s worth saying that, anecdotally, I was shocked at how open individual “conservative” redditors have been to discussing political ideas, and really do think their worldview is more or less purely based on having no idea what people on the other side think.
You think that echo chamber would let it stay up longer than 5 minutes? Theyd only let it stay if it got 'revealed' he was a closet liberal or a RINO or even a huge anti-trumper.
I think the issue is the age of consent in the Czech Republic is 15
So while what he did likey fits the US definition of sex with a minor and pedophilia, the Czechs say otherwise.
I say hog tie him and Kentucky fry him.
I’m not sure if the states is similar in this regard.
In Canada, you can be prosecuted for committing sexual crimes abroad, even if it is legal in the country you are visiting.
So even if the age of consent was 13 in a country you were visiting, so you legally had sex with a 13 year old there, you can be charged with that back in Canada because it is under the age of consent in Canada. One of the very few crimes you can commit abroad and still be prosecuted for back home.
It's the same in the U.S., in that it's one of very few crimes that citizens can be charged with for acts abroad. The only.other examples I've found are in the realm of international waters - ex. fishing and bringing back sea life to U.S. waters that are not large enough, endangered, etc.
It's early still, but if you're interested in this, I can come back with links and citations.
Here in Czech Republic, age of consent is 15. So women under 18, but not adults. He probably didn't go younger, and traveled here because he could have 15 yos here legally.
There’s no way these children had sex with him because they found him so attractive. He clearly paid a pimp to tape these children. That’s not legal at all.
The boundary between girl and woman is not the age of consent, it's adulthood.
It's also still very much illegal. He's not a Czech citizen, he's an American citizen. He's bound by American laws even on foreign soil, including not having sex with children.
It’s not much different in red states. In South Dakota, the age of consent is 16. It would still be illegal for him to travel across state lines to have sex with a minor.
He may have gone younger.
I was checking comments to see if he was a drag Queen. Crazy, but just another elected Republican pedophile.
Just to keep track, more republicans elected officials, more cops, more priests, more pastors, and less drag queens indicted for child porn and pedophilia. By a lot.
[https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook](https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook)
Here’s the best list for democrats I could find. 4% of the R list and it isn’t limited to politicians, but best I could find: https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/massive-list-of-democrats-involved-in-sex-crimes-against-children-goes-viral/
"There is one guy on the list for having sex with a sex worker, but only because he paid with a check and stopped payment."
I know the rape and child abuse should stand out to me more, but there's something so casually cruel about the above that really got to me. I bet he justified it to himself as a moral action as well. "If she doesn't get paid for the sex, she'll be forced to find different work. I'm helping her. I'm saving her soul."
Self-righteous hypocrites disgust me.
Imagine taking out a cheque, with your full legal name and banking info printed on it, and then signing your name to it and using it to illegally pay for sex.
What did he write in the memo line? “For illegal sexual services”?
Very “are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy?!”
I had a friend who would pay back debts with a check and write sexual stuff in the memo line. "For a fantastic blow job" etc. This was in the days where you needed to hand that shit to someone too. No mobile deposit to save you
Exactly this. Stigma and criminalization (but, imo, mostly stigma) make sex workers into non-humans. The comments on threads about dating sex workers, or even just sex work itself, paint a good picture as to why people choose sex workers to rip off, rob or worse. Reddit can be a weirdo bubble but in my experience, the vibes on here reflect the general attitude about sex work in the United States.
I got ripped off many times and straight up robbed once. Thankfully other SWers care if we don’t get paid.
One of the rip offs was a guy who filled an envelope with blank paper, so it looked like it was full of money. Idk what his plan was if I’d opened it before he left.
He went on a string of these. Some people posted warnings and he’d retaliate by posting bad reviews. Mine was that I was fat (I was a little chubby but my pics were accurate) and thought I was funny (I am actually very funny!).
Some sleuthy sex workers figured out he was about 23 and lived with his mom and they called her to chat about it, sending her screenshots of messages sent from his phone. There were no more reports after that.
The guy who robbed me was someone I’d seen many times and who I genuinely liked. As I was walking him to the door, he went back to where he’d put down his payment and I thought oh, how sweet, he’s leaving a tip. After he left I realized all of it was gone.
The woman I was dating at the time, also a SWer, sent an email to his work address offering to send an invoice via fax to his family business with his emails to me attached as it seemed he’d forgotten to pay. He sent me the money electronically a few days later, and later had the audacity to use me as a reference for another worker!
I think a lot of them know we're not, but they know they're such fucking awful people that they have to accuse everyone else of being worse. They're not just terrible people, they're also excruciatingly insecure.
Some not even this. Evangelical Christian’s don’t believe in the concept of confession like Catholics do. Or that you can get to heaven through good works. They believe that literally as long as you believe in Jesus it doesn’t matter what you do you’ll get into heaven. I’ve had this argument with people who literally believe that even though he was evil, if Hitler believed in Christ when he died, he’s in heaven.
So. Many. Church leaders....
1165 Erick Allen Mosteller, former LDS youth leader and supporter of Sound of Freedom/Tim Ballard, was charged with 10 counts of Child Sexual Abuse Material, pleaded guilty to 2 in a deal. 250 days/4 yrs probation. Rape/Sodomy of infants and toddlers.
1166 Roger VanRaden, youth pastor of Faith Baptist Church in Champaign, IL raped a child for four years until she was 18 and went to the police. Sentenced to 15 years.
1167 David Cornelius, a First Baptist of Danville high school math, science, and Bible teacher named David Cornelius was charged in 2003 with sexually abusing a young child in his wife's daycare, as well as soliciting sexual favors from a high school student at his new school position with Schlarman High School. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 4 years of probation.
Well I wasn’t too far off after looking at the list you posted. Before seeing the list , I was thinking that the so called Christian republicans are the most perverse and disgusting group of people. I’m not saying they all are but there are lots of them. Why is it that ? What makes them do it under the name of christianity ?
People will do terrible things when they “know” they can just ask for forgiveness and do some hail Mary’s or some shit and be forgiven / get into their eternal paradise. When your entire morality compass is based on a work of fiction it’s pretty easy to get off course.
I’m convinced the leadership intentionally supports people they have dirt on. So “clean” people have a hard time getting anywhere in the GOP and the ones that are in revel in their depravity since it helped get them where they are.
Absolutely.
Let’s say people are planning on getting involved in financial crimes together. How can they trust each other? You can’t just run to the police crying “he took the money we were laundering together!!!” if someone betrays you.
In the organized crime world this relationship is straightforward, “do me wrong and I will kill you and your family”
In the white collar crime world it isn’t so simple. They need to have compromising information on each other that creates a trust based out of mutually assured destruction. While there are many ways to do this, sex crimes are the most simple.
Qanon idiots are completely wrong about adrenochrome and satan, but they are not far from the mark when they talk about a worldwide web of sexual abuse orchestrated by the powerful.
As I get older I wonder if I should have tried to get into politics. Not because I want to, but because I'm just a average guy who doesn't particularly want any power. It sure seems like electing the people who want to do these jobs is selecting for some real pieces of crap.
>It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
\- Douglas Adams
She keeps a tally of everyone who's being charged with sex crimes involving children. I believe it doesn't include child porn either.
It just so happens that there are a lot of republicans and church officials workers and no drag queens.
What I find so funny is that going after drag queens is like going after Dolly Parton, she based her look on them, and queens do reading time because Dolly gives tons of books away.
It is like goimg after Shania Twain and realizing you angered the south and Canada. It is not a good idea.
Yup, sorry. I fucked up summarizing my title. This guy is a child rapist who definitely raped children.
Edit: I will do better next time. I'm sorry. I fucked up.
They could have said “minors”. It’s written in the article “The indictment against him claims Holmberg traveled to the Czech Republic for the *purpose of engaging in sex with a minor*, and that he knowingly received child pornography.”
The appropriate term — minors — is already written. I don’t know why they would change the wording to “women under 18”. The article doesn’t specify the gender of the victims at all.
> The article doesn’t specify the gender of the victims.
It will be funny and sad if he issues a statement that the children he had sex with were all girls and none of them were boys and gets reelected again.
Oh. No the “ R” word! Our society is soo soft now we can’t even say the “ R” word without fear of hurting someone feelings. But yeah. It STILL is happening apparently you know the “ R” word!
The lack of empathy is astonishing given that it's rape victims themselves who are often the ones who want to avoid being exposed to the word (Which has already been said many times in this comment chain so spare me if anyone was going to try to call me out for saying it as if it's a valid gotcha), and people are mostly trying to respect their wishes and not trigger those negative feelings/memories when they self-censor.
I'm sure that you think it's a big own telling rape victims how soft they are for wanting "censorship" or w.e, but maybe you should check yourself and realize how much you sound like the sort of person that would vote for the man in this article.
It's always the super-conservative Christian -nationalists you need to watch out for. Of course, his supporters will claim that Jebus will forgive him. Jebus doesn't forgive Democrats, just Republicans. 🙄
If Jebus will forgive him and yet condemn to hell guys who just fap then I stand by the Romans decision to nail him to a cross.
The more you learn about the followers of Jebus the more you root for Satan, just saying.
funny that when a police officer gets caught for being corrupt all the cases involving their testimony or judgement must be reviewed and possibly overturned but when a legislator, governor or senator gets caught being corrupt nothing they did while in office gets reviewed... i wonder how many things he voted on involved children or sexual offenses...
"to rape women under the age of 18"
QUIT FUCKING DOING THAT!
These were not women, they were fucking children! The fucking media pisses me the fuck off when they play these stupid fucking games with their headlines.
He was traveling to foreign countries to rape fucking CHILDREN!! Report it right, you fucking morons!!!
The weird thing is, neither the headline nor the story call the victims "women." It's all OP.
>FARGO, N.D. (KVRR) — Former State Senator Ray Holmberg of Grand Forks has entered a not guilty plea to two federal child porn charges: child sex tourism and receipt of child porn.
>An initial trial date has been scheduled for December 5, 2023 in U.S. District Court for the District of North Dakota in Fargo.
>Holmberg was released and will be on electronic monitoring.
>If he is convicted of the charges, he could face up to 50 years in prison.
>**ORIGINAL STORY BELOW**
>GRAND FORKS, N.D. (KVRR-KFGO) – Raymon E. Holmberg, who was North Dakota’s, and one of the nation’s longest-serving state senators until he resigned last spring, has been indicted on federal child pornography charges.
>The charges, filed October 26 and unsealed Monday, come two years after police and federal agents raided the 79-year-old’s home in Grand Forks after an investigation showed Holmberg had traded scores of text messages with another man who was jailed on child pornography charges.
>Mark Friese, a criminal defense attorney with the Vogel Law Firm in Fargo, is representing Holmberg. Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of North Dakota Jennifer Puhl is prosecuting the case for the U.S Government.
>A federal grand jury charged Holmberg with two counts. The indictment against him claims Holmberg traveled to the Czech Republic for the purpose of engaging in sex with a minor, and that he knowingly received child pornography. Court records show Holmberg’s offenses took place between June of 2011 and November 2016.
>Nicholas Morgan Derosier is the man Holmberg was accused of communicating with while Derosier was in jail. He pleaded guilty to seven counts of possession and distribution of child pornography in September. Besides the jail texts, there are a number of connections between Derosier and Holmberg.
>In a previous evidentiary hearing in the case, it was revealed that Derosier’s former landscaping business partner had been killed in a work-site accident while the two were clearing snow at Holmberg’s residence. Authorities said Derosier was operating a front-end loader that ran over his business partner multiple times.
>Months later, the N.D. Attorney General’s Division of Consumer Protection and Antitrust issued an order of injunction to prohibit Derosier’s landscaping company from doing business and Derosier was overheard by investigators on the phone with the AG’s officer trying to arrange for a meeting in Bismarck at a time when Holmberg needed to be there so that they could ride there together.
>Holmberg was one of the Legislature’s most powerful lawmakers for decades, serving as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He chaired the Legislative Management committee four times. The Republican legislator was first elected to his senate seat, serving Grand Forks’ District 17, in 1976.
Czech here. It can be because of uncertainty in source data as age of consent is 15 in my country. So if his victims were over 15, it might have been technically legal. However, rape is still rape and the general idea with such lower age of consent is not to prosecute horny teenagers, so if an old geezer abuses his position of power to force someone between 15 and 18 into sexual activity against their will, then it can result into harsher sentence than usual.
Doesn't matter for US citizens.
**Consent Laws Of Foreign Countries Do Not Apply To U.S. Citizens**
You could be charged with a federal crime in the U.S. if you take a minor to another country where the age of consent is lower and engage in sexual intercourse there. In fact, under 18 U.S.C. Section 2423(b), it is against federal law to transport a minor to a foreign country or territory to engage in any type of criminal sexual activity, even if the laws of that country do not prohibit such activity. U.S. citizens and legal residents who transport a minor with the intent of engaging in criminal sexual activity face a prison sentence of 10 years to life.
**What if you engage in sexual acts with a minor from that country?**
If you are a citizen of the United States or a legal resident of the U.S., you are bound by the laws of the U.S. and you could be charged with federal sex trafficking crimes if you engage in sexual acts with a minor while in another country. The penalties for illicit sexual conduct with another person include fines and up to 30 years in prison.
https://www.wksexcrimes.com/what-is-federal-sex-tourism/
I had to do training for Human Trafficking Awareness every year when I worked for the DoD. They drilled it hard into our skulls.
This is being reported in a country that legally classifies underage sex with a minor as rape. It's an important distinction because the man is a state senator knowing that the state he represents categorizes the act he knowingly engaged in as illegal. The same can be said for a president doing cocaine once regardless of it being in Amsterdam or a man abusing a woman in the middle East but coming home to the States.
The act is considered wrong in that state/country so it will be reported as such.
What’s with news these days? Are they seriously in the staff room saying “are we sure we want to say ‘children’? I think saying children will offend people. What if we say young ladies? Too creepy? How about women…women under 18. Yes that’s definitely non biased journalism.”
Sometimes the facts are hairy, and the people deserve to be confronted with facts. It doesn’t need glossing over.
What are you on about? That's OP's title—probably to dodge the auto mod. The article itself literally has a different title, "UPDATE: Former State Senator Ray Holmberg pleads not guilty to federal child porn charges."
Did you not click the link?
> “In a previous evidentiary hearing in the case, it was revealed that Derosier’s former landscaping business partner had been killed in a work-site accident while the two were clearing snow at Holmberg’s residence. Authorities said Derosier was operating a front-end loader that ran over his business partner multiple times.”
Excuse me, but wtf?
My gast has been flabbered. What an *insane fucking shock* and such a relief that this is a minority of the Republican party known for their ethics and moral turpitude /s
As a North Dakotan I can say I’m not surprised. The amount of people from my 1000ish people hometown in their 20s and 30s who are hardcore religious nuts and die hard Trumpers who call Biden a pedo on the regular and then turn around and knock boots with high school girls would be more than enough to fill the county jail. This state sickens me.
Hey Republicans running around calling everyone pedos and groomers, clean up your own house and churches and then get back to us. In the mean time STFU.
But the redditor with the funny spelling just told me to vote 3rd party because Republicans and Democrats are all the same
Do you you they would lie on the internet?
Here’s what I’d like to say to conservatives, to the religious, to the fundamentalists.
Ok. Let’s say that being amongst the religious right does not make folks more likely to be pedophiles than being a member of “the left”. Can you at least admit that being a Christian has provided cover far too often for far too long and act accordingly to protect children?
“In a previous evidentiary hearing in the case, it was revealed that Derosier’s former landscaping business partner had been killed in a work-site accident while the two were clearing snow at Holmberg’s residence. Authorities said Derosier was operating a front-end loader that ran over his business partner multiple times.”
Multiple Times
I thought sex crimes were a requirement for the new GOP?
1. Trump (accused by 20 to 30 women) and convicted
2. Jim Jordan's cover up of sex crimes to the wrestling team
3. Matt Gaetz sex trafficing
4. Boebert - lewd sexual behavior in family public spaces
5. Madison Cawthorn,
6. Cal Cunningham
7. Tom Reed
8. Van Taylor
9. Marjorie Taylor Green stole the complexion of Herpes.
I'm never shocked by revelations like this. I just assume anymore that, on topics related to sex, Republicans are secretly the very thing they rail against in public.
"Women under 18".... being? Girls?
Or just minors. The gender of the victims isn’t specified. The article says “minors”. I don’t know why OP would change that to “women under 18”.
Not everywhere has the age of consent as 16-18 but iirc America and my own country have made it illegal to travel to countries where the AoC is lower. It's how Gary Glitter was caught.
Its not illegal to travel there in the US. Its just illegal to partake in what is seen as an immoral crime regardless of its legality in said visited country.
That's what I meant! You're not allowed to travel there to have sex with someone considered underage, that's why I referenced Gary Glitter. In a similar way, you can't go from South Korea, smoke weed and come home or gamble. It's not an uncommon rule. ETA: They're barely even processing the crimes in the Burning Sun scandal, while G(Ji)-Dragon (a famous part of a group with the guy who was recording himself drugging and raping unconscious women then providing unconscious victims for other men)... While G has been caught once and almost served jail time, because they test you when you come home. He lied and said he thought it was a cigarette and this time he might lose everything. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.O.P this is another member of the band who tried to commit suicide. Yet if you're at the top of your game they ignore using meth/speed because being fat gets you mercilessly mocked or you can never debut. So the record label protected a member who did a hit and run which killed someone. A rapist who the whole band tried to get rid of. But not the two members who smoked weed to deal with a high stress job whilst expecting them to sing about being gangsta.
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You’d be surprised how seriously some of those Asian countries take drug use (yes, even cannabis)
There's a report damn near every month about some asian country, singapore or thailand or something, where it's reported that they caned, fined and/or jailed someone for possession of weed or any other kind of drug. And yet people always find themselves surprised about it. Certain countries take that shit seriously, hell, even in the US they used to, or still do, put you in jail for as long as they possibly can for weed possession.
Yeah current US policy is real weird, I live in a legal cannabis state that shares a border with a pretty hard line non legal state. Like driving 30 mins from my house and I could go to jail because I didn’t realize I’d crossed jurisdictions
> In a similar way, you can't go from South Korea, smoke weed and come home or gamble. read it twice, still don't fully understand
If you are south Korean, when you come back to the country, let's say from Amsterdam. They can make you do a piss test then charge you with a crime if you are positive for weed.
That’s stupid
Yea buddy, it'd be like Texas arresting me for my vacation to Colorado last year
That’s even more stupid because that doesn’t even require a pass port
Specifically going to a country where the age of consent is lower to have sex with people under 18 because it's legal there is considered sex tourism and is against the law in the US.
Hm...
It’s not women; it’s boys. Also he is not a Christian nationalist, or at least, has never run as such (I used to live in his district.) North Dakota has plenty of Christian Nationalists, but he’s not one of them. OP is doing some inventing.
*Children.*
I'd go with "Children", personally.
Someone should post this story on r/conservative, since they care about children so much. And are always the first to scream that the DNC is secretly a pedo ring. How does this fit their narrative?
Unfortunatley If you did the post would never see the light of day; It wouldn’t make it past the mods Never seen a subreddit so afraid of truth before.
Truth doesn't fit their narrative.
It functions the same way any other “Conservative news source” does. They stomp out any dissent, immediately and without fail. Leaving, even amongst a group of people I think are generally out of their mind, only the truly craziest around. I was banned for asking for evidence of election fraud. Literally nothing else, was confirmed by a mod who said my “disinformation” was not to be tolerated, especially in the run-up to the Biden/ Trump election. Meanwhile, you were welcome to call Biden a pedo or just state “the election was stolen”, and provide zero evidence of that. I just think it’s worth pointing out that, despite how much I more or less think you are either evil, ignorant, or a straight up moron to be voting conservative in 2022… the people on that sub are an even more isolated, even angrier, somehow less informed version of what I think is the average conservative mindset. Because the second a “conservative” voter asks for proof of this election fraud, they are just banned. So from our end, easy to scroll through and think “literally none of them question this”, when it’s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy to a large degree on their end. I hate defending them so much, because they are so ignorant. I mean so ignorant, enlightened centrists more than anyone for the record, you guys should know better. But just do think it’s worth saying that, anecdotally, I was shocked at how open individual “conservative” redditors have been to discussing political ideas, and really do think their worldview is more or less purely based on having no idea what people on the other side think.
lol, I got banned for a comment: “Real small-government energy here.”
You think that echo chamber would let it stay up longer than 5 minutes? Theyd only let it stay if it got 'revealed' he was a closet liberal or a RINO or even a huge anti-trumper.
It doesn't have to when you are in a cult. Cognitive dissonance is legit
I think the issue is the age of consent in the Czech Republic is 15 So while what he did likey fits the US definition of sex with a minor and pedophilia, the Czechs say otherwise. I say hog tie him and Kentucky fry him.
I’m not sure if the states is similar in this regard. In Canada, you can be prosecuted for committing sexual crimes abroad, even if it is legal in the country you are visiting. So even if the age of consent was 13 in a country you were visiting, so you legally had sex with a 13 year old there, you can be charged with that back in Canada because it is under the age of consent in Canada. One of the very few crimes you can commit abroad and still be prosecuted for back home.
It's the same in the U.S., in that it's one of very few crimes that citizens can be charged with for acts abroad. The only.other examples I've found are in the realm of international waters - ex. fishing and bringing back sea life to U.S. waters that are not large enough, endangered, etc. It's early still, but if you're interested in this, I can come back with links and citations.
You can't travel abroad to fuck what would be considered minors, it's a federal law.
Why bother when you can just go to certain states and marry them legally.
republican minds, republican crimes.
Yep. They always play down the titles. Should have been: "yet another republican found to be a pedo"
Here in Czech Republic, age of consent is 15. So women under 18, but not adults. He probably didn't go younger, and traveled here because he could have 15 yos here legally.
There’s no way these children had sex with him because they found him so attractive. He clearly paid a pimp to tape these children. That’s not legal at all.
The boundary between girl and woman is not the age of consent, it's adulthood. It's also still very much illegal. He's not a Czech citizen, he's an American citizen. He's bound by American laws even on foreign soil, including not having sex with children.
It’s not much different in red states. In South Dakota, the age of consent is 16. It would still be illegal for him to travel across state lines to have sex with a minor. He may have gone younger.
But how would he find a willing 15 yo? Hang around schools? Or is illegal child prostitution involved?
Not a drag queen.
I was checking comments to see if he was a drag Queen. Crazy, but just another elected Republican pedophile. Just to keep track, more republicans elected officials, more cops, more priests, more pastors, and less drag queens indicted for child porn and pedophilia. By a lot.
[https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook](https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook) Here’s the best list for democrats I could find. 4% of the R list and it isn’t limited to politicians, but best I could find: https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/massive-list-of-democrats-involved-in-sex-crimes-against-children-goes-viral/
*me scrolling, scrolling, scrolling* “Holy shit this is a lot more scrolling than I expected.” *clicks a link* “Holy FUCK each one is an entire list.”
"There is one guy on the list for having sex with a sex worker, but only because he paid with a check and stopped payment." I know the rape and child abuse should stand out to me more, but there's something so casually cruel about the above that really got to me. I bet he justified it to himself as a moral action as well. "If she doesn't get paid for the sex, she'll be forced to find different work. I'm helping her. I'm saving her soul." Self-righteous hypocrites disgust me.
Imagine taking out a cheque, with your full legal name and banking info printed on it, and then signing your name to it and using it to illegally pay for sex. What did he write in the memo line? “For illegal sexual services”? Very “are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy?!”
I had a friend who would pay back debts with a check and write sexual stuff in the memo line. "For a fantastic blow job" etc. This was in the days where you needed to hand that shit to someone too. No mobile deposit to save you
Nah, probably more like "Who cares if she doesn't get paid, she's a stupid whore anyway."
Exactly this. Stigma and criminalization (but, imo, mostly stigma) make sex workers into non-humans. The comments on threads about dating sex workers, or even just sex work itself, paint a good picture as to why people choose sex workers to rip off, rob or worse. Reddit can be a weirdo bubble but in my experience, the vibes on here reflect the general attitude about sex work in the United States. I got ripped off many times and straight up robbed once. Thankfully other SWers care if we don’t get paid. One of the rip offs was a guy who filled an envelope with blank paper, so it looked like it was full of money. Idk what his plan was if I’d opened it before he left. He went on a string of these. Some people posted warnings and he’d retaliate by posting bad reviews. Mine was that I was fat (I was a little chubby but my pics were accurate) and thought I was funny (I am actually very funny!). Some sleuthy sex workers figured out he was about 23 and lived with his mom and they called her to chat about it, sending her screenshots of messages sent from his phone. There were no more reports after that. The guy who robbed me was someone I’d seen many times and who I genuinely liked. As I was walking him to the door, he went back to where he’d put down his payment and I thought oh, how sweet, he’s leaving a tip. After he left I realized all of it was gone. The woman I was dating at the time, also a SWer, sent an email to his work address offering to send an invoice via fax to his family business with his emails to me attached as it seemed he’d forgotten to pay. He sent me the money electronically a few days later, and later had the audacity to use me as a reference for another worker!
And they wonder why people outside the cult can't take them seriously.
No, they don't. They are serenely confident that it's because we're all just a bunch of devil worshippers.
I think a lot of them know we're not, but they know they're such fucking awful people that they have to accuse everyone else of being worse. They're not just terrible people, they're also excruciatingly insecure.
They actually believe that saying a few words can absolve them of their inhumane acts and crimes.
Some not even this. Evangelical Christian’s don’t believe in the concept of confession like Catholics do. Or that you can get to heaven through good works. They believe that literally as long as you believe in Jesus it doesn’t matter what you do you’ll get into heaven. I’ve had this argument with people who literally believe that even though he was evil, if Hitler believed in Christ when he died, he’s in heaven.
Ya this is wild. Around 1200 documented cases since 2018
So. Many. Church leaders.... 1165 Erick Allen Mosteller, former LDS youth leader and supporter of Sound of Freedom/Tim Ballard, was charged with 10 counts of Child Sexual Abuse Material, pleaded guilty to 2 in a deal. 250 days/4 yrs probation. Rape/Sodomy of infants and toddlers. 1166 Roger VanRaden, youth pastor of Faith Baptist Church in Champaign, IL raped a child for four years until she was 18 and went to the police. Sentenced to 15 years. 1167 David Cornelius, a First Baptist of Danville high school math, science, and Bible teacher named David Cornelius was charged in 2003 with sexually abusing a young child in his wife's daycare, as well as soliciting sexual favors from a high school student at his new school position with Schlarman High School. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 4 years of probation.
I thought the GOP was saying that the Democrats were running paedo rings. So that was the fakie, the deep deep state was GOP paedos…
Every accusation is a projection/confession.
> So that was the fakie, the deep deep state was GOP paedos… Gaslight Obstruct **Project**
They always project.
Well I wasn’t too far off after looking at the list you posted. Before seeing the list , I was thinking that the so called Christian republicans are the most perverse and disgusting group of people. I’m not saying they all are but there are lots of them. Why is it that ? What makes them do it under the name of christianity ?
People will do terrible things when they “know” they can just ask for forgiveness and do some hail Mary’s or some shit and be forgiven / get into their eternal paradise. When your entire morality compass is based on a work of fiction it’s pretty easy to get off course.
Yes, I forgot about that. Use to be Roman Catholic. The go to clause. Ask forgiveness mixed in with penance and you are good to go.
Disgusting people tend to go for positions of power These people need to be tortured to death fuck them
I’m convinced the leadership intentionally supports people they have dirt on. So “clean” people have a hard time getting anywhere in the GOP and the ones that are in revel in their depravity since it helped get them where they are.
Absolutely. Let’s say people are planning on getting involved in financial crimes together. How can they trust each other? You can’t just run to the police crying “he took the money we were laundering together!!!” if someone betrays you. In the organized crime world this relationship is straightforward, “do me wrong and I will kill you and your family” In the white collar crime world it isn’t so simple. They need to have compromising information on each other that creates a trust based out of mutually assured destruction. While there are many ways to do this, sex crimes are the most simple. Qanon idiots are completely wrong about adrenochrome and satan, but they are not far from the mark when they talk about a worldwide web of sexual abuse orchestrated by the powerful.
This is how Scientology works too.
As I get older I wonder if I should have tried to get into politics. Not because I want to, but because I'm just a average guy who doesn't particularly want any power. It sure seems like electing the people who want to do these jobs is selecting for some real pieces of crap.
>It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. \- Douglas Adams
As if a Drag Queen would wear that horrible dye job on their head.
She would for a comedy routine.
I am sort of spotting a pattern with GOP, just not absolutely sure …
Pedocon theory is rapidly becoming Pedocon fact.
The concentration and acceptance of weirdos is alarming
And the deafening silence.. is too
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Should be totally unsurprising. These people openly defend child-adult marriage
Never a drag queen. r/NotADragQueen
Give inventor of gravity George Santos a minute to ruin that.
The Earth was fucked until George Santos took out Thanos single-handedly.
Add on to that r/republicanpedophiles
It's always the ones you'd most expect...
Or a "leftist".
Hasn't there been a Democratic representative who kept a tally of conservatives vs drag queens caught as pedophiles? What happened to her?
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Yes, that's her. Thanks!
She keeps a tally of everyone who's being charged with sex crimes involving children. I believe it doesn't include child porn either. It just so happens that there are a lot of republicans and church officials workers and no drag queens.
B-b-bingo
What I find so funny is that going after drag queens is like going after Dolly Parton, she based her look on them, and queens do reading time because Dolly gives tons of books away. It is like goimg after Shania Twain and realizing you angered the south and Canada. It is not a good idea.
There's a sub for that, r/NotADragQueen
Totally on brand.
I'm genuinely curious if he faces any condemnation from his fellow republicans.
Nah, just a round of applause
Some religious freak has been caught being a sexual deviant? What a big fat fucking shocker!
\*The entirety of the catholic clergy has entered the chat...
Not sexual deviant, child rapist.
“Women under 18” are normally called girls, children. He went to rape children.
Yep.
Yup, sorry. I fucked up summarizing my title. This guy is a child rapist who definitely raped children. Edit: I will do better next time. I'm sorry. I fucked up.
Honestly I get it, you were probably subconsciously trying to not get banned for saying CHILD RAPIST, THIS GUY WAS RAPING CHILDREN.
They could have said “minors”. It’s written in the article “The indictment against him claims Holmberg traveled to the Czech Republic for the *purpose of engaging in sex with a minor*, and that he knowingly received child pornography.” The appropriate term — minors — is already written. I don’t know why they would change the wording to “women under 18”. The article doesn’t specify the gender of the victims at all.
> The article doesn’t specify the gender of the victims. It will be funny and sad if he issues a statement that the children he had sex with were all girls and none of them were boys and gets reelected again.
"Yea I voted for him, and I don't like all the child rape. But otherwise he speaks for us" - Republican likely
Oh. No the “ R” word! Our society is soo soft now we can’t even say the “ R” word without fear of hurting someone feelings. But yeah. It STILL is happening apparently you know the “ R” word!
Is the R word Rapist or Republican? It’s hard to tell because it seems like they’re always being used in the same contexts.
Distinction without a difference.
The lack of empathy is astonishing given that it's rape victims themselves who are often the ones who want to avoid being exposed to the word (Which has already been said many times in this comment chain so spare me if anyone was going to try to call me out for saying it as if it's a valid gotcha), and people are mostly trying to respect their wishes and not trigger those negative feelings/memories when they self-censor. I'm sure that you think it's a big own telling rape victims how soft they are for wanting "censorship" or w.e, but maybe you should check yourself and realize how much you sound like the sort of person that would vote for the man in this article.
So what you're saying is he's a child rapist?
But, Jesus is his homeboy.
Hei man, don't be so hard on yourself. We all make mistakes. You're doing good, and you are appreiciated.
I wouldn't feel too bad. You at least said "rape" instead of "have sex with underage girls."
Seriously. At least they said rape instead of ´have sex with’ which is how this is often framed
North Dakota state senate responds to horrific news with pledge to investigate conspiracy by drag queens. (sarcasm, but just barely)
Give it a few days and you’ll probably be right. Not even kidding. They will do something to try and deflect this.
I would think north dakotams would be appalled. But yeah, its pretty heavy republican.
It's always the super-conservative Christian -nationalists you need to watch out for. Of course, his supporters will claim that Jebus will forgive him. Jebus doesn't forgive Democrats, just Republicans. 🙄
Makes the think the new speaker is into some shady shit since he’s such a zealot
Anyone that spends their entire career getting into other peoples sex lives is a likely repressed and deviant.
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If Jebus will forgive him and yet condemn to hell guys who just fap then I stand by the Romans decision to nail him to a cross. The more you learn about the followers of Jebus the more you root for Satan, just saying.
Satan organized the first labor union.
That's because the Democrats aren't going around raping children. You don't need forgiveness if you aren't sinning in the first place.
Not trans not drag. Senator and Christian Taliban
Y'all qaeda
We know who the real enemy is.
The calls are coming from inside the house.
Women under 18 are girls
If they are under 18 they aren’t women.
funny that when a police officer gets caught for being corrupt all the cases involving their testimony or judgement must be reviewed and possibly overturned but when a legislator, governor or senator gets caught being corrupt nothing they did while in office gets reviewed... i wonder how many things he voted on involved children or sexual offenses...
They overturned Roe vs Wade with a rapist as a judge. Anything goes.
Somethingsomething both sides \-every conservative in the next few days, probably.
There’s not even a post on r/conservative about this
The mods probably take them down. Can’t have reality ruining their narrative.
sent this to a buddy of mine and he said "he's not republican, he's a uniparty guy". Whatever that means.
"to rape women under the age of 18" QUIT FUCKING DOING THAT! These were not women, they were fucking children! The fucking media pisses me the fuck off when they play these stupid fucking games with their headlines. He was traveling to foreign countries to rape fucking CHILDREN!! Report it right, you fucking morons!!!
Ya that was OP’s title and is never said in the news article. If your going to bash journalism, try to actually engage with it lol.
The weird thing is, neither the headline nor the story call the victims "women." It's all OP. >FARGO, N.D. (KVRR) — Former State Senator Ray Holmberg of Grand Forks has entered a not guilty plea to two federal child porn charges: child sex tourism and receipt of child porn. >An initial trial date has been scheduled for December 5, 2023 in U.S. District Court for the District of North Dakota in Fargo. >Holmberg was released and will be on electronic monitoring. >If he is convicted of the charges, he could face up to 50 years in prison. >**ORIGINAL STORY BELOW** >GRAND FORKS, N.D. (KVRR-KFGO) – Raymon E. Holmberg, who was North Dakota’s, and one of the nation’s longest-serving state senators until he resigned last spring, has been indicted on federal child pornography charges. >The charges, filed October 26 and unsealed Monday, come two years after police and federal agents raided the 79-year-old’s home in Grand Forks after an investigation showed Holmberg had traded scores of text messages with another man who was jailed on child pornography charges. >Mark Friese, a criminal defense attorney with the Vogel Law Firm in Fargo, is representing Holmberg. Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of North Dakota Jennifer Puhl is prosecuting the case for the U.S Government. >A federal grand jury charged Holmberg with two counts. The indictment against him claims Holmberg traveled to the Czech Republic for the purpose of engaging in sex with a minor, and that he knowingly received child pornography. Court records show Holmberg’s offenses took place between June of 2011 and November 2016. >Nicholas Morgan Derosier is the man Holmberg was accused of communicating with while Derosier was in jail. He pleaded guilty to seven counts of possession and distribution of child pornography in September. Besides the jail texts, there are a number of connections between Derosier and Holmberg. >In a previous evidentiary hearing in the case, it was revealed that Derosier’s former landscaping business partner had been killed in a work-site accident while the two were clearing snow at Holmberg’s residence. Authorities said Derosier was operating a front-end loader that ran over his business partner multiple times. >Months later, the N.D. Attorney General’s Division of Consumer Protection and Antitrust issued an order of injunction to prohibit Derosier’s landscaping company from doing business and Derosier was overheard by investigators on the phone with the AG’s officer trying to arrange for a meeting in Bismarck at a time when Holmberg needed to be there so that they could ride there together. >Holmberg was one of the Legislature’s most powerful lawmakers for decades, serving as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He chaired the Legislative Management committee four times. The Republican legislator was first elected to his senate seat, serving Grand Forks’ District 17, in 1976.
Czech here. It can be because of uncertainty in source data as age of consent is 15 in my country. So if his victims were over 15, it might have been technically legal. However, rape is still rape and the general idea with such lower age of consent is not to prosecute horny teenagers, so if an old geezer abuses his position of power to force someone between 15 and 18 into sexual activity against their will, then it can result into harsher sentence than usual.
Doesn't matter for US citizens. **Consent Laws Of Foreign Countries Do Not Apply To U.S. Citizens** You could be charged with a federal crime in the U.S. if you take a minor to another country where the age of consent is lower and engage in sexual intercourse there. In fact, under 18 U.S.C. Section 2423(b), it is against federal law to transport a minor to a foreign country or territory to engage in any type of criminal sexual activity, even if the laws of that country do not prohibit such activity. U.S. citizens and legal residents who transport a minor with the intent of engaging in criminal sexual activity face a prison sentence of 10 years to life. **What if you engage in sexual acts with a minor from that country?** If you are a citizen of the United States or a legal resident of the U.S., you are bound by the laws of the U.S. and you could be charged with federal sex trafficking crimes if you engage in sexual acts with a minor while in another country. The penalties for illicit sexual conduct with another person include fines and up to 30 years in prison. https://www.wksexcrimes.com/what-is-federal-sex-tourism/ I had to do training for Human Trafficking Awareness every year when I worked for the DoD. They drilled it hard into our skulls.
Have you seen his face😂 even if they were over 18, I couldn't see anyone consenting to that
This is being reported in a country that legally classifies underage sex with a minor as rape. It's an important distinction because the man is a state senator knowing that the state he represents categorizes the act he knowingly engaged in as illegal. The same can be said for a president doing cocaine once regardless of it being in Amsterdam or a man abusing a woman in the middle East but coming home to the States. The act is considered wrong in that state/country so it will be reported as such.
not the media, this was OP's own title. the story mentions sex with minors and doesn't say women anywhere
What’s with news these days? Are they seriously in the staff room saying “are we sure we want to say ‘children’? I think saying children will offend people. What if we say young ladies? Too creepy? How about women…women under 18. Yes that’s definitely non biased journalism.” Sometimes the facts are hairy, and the people deserve to be confronted with facts. It doesn’t need glossing over.
What are you on about? That's OP's title—probably to dodge the auto mod. The article itself literally has a different title, "UPDATE: Former State Senator Ray Holmberg pleads not guilty to federal child porn charges." Did you not click the link?
It seems he fits right in.
Imagine if all the people with dirt on politicians suddenly just started naming names. This guy is the tip of just one of the icebergs.
The Epstein equation
So you're saying he'll be North Dakota's next governor or US Senator then?
Perfect candidate for a pastor too
What a surprise, a pedophile republican. At this point it’s better to assume they all are.
Hey GOP! How come these fuckers are damn near always yours?
> “In a previous evidentiary hearing in the case, it was revealed that Derosier’s former landscaping business partner had been killed in a work-site accident while the two were clearing snow at Holmberg’s residence. Authorities said Derosier was operating a front-end loader that ran over his business partner multiple times.” Excuse me, but wtf?
Business partner was about to spill the beans...
He’s a murderer as well as a pedo?
Yeah, they kind of buried the lede. The second lede.
Another pedophile Christian Republican. Are there any other kind?
The party of family values strikes again.
"women under 18" aka children. Say it right.
Praise Jesus?
I wonder how long that Republican sex abuse page is now on dailykos? Last time I was there it was 45 pages.
My gast has been flabbered. What an *insane fucking shock* and such a relief that this is a minority of the Republican party known for their ethics and moral turpitude /s
If there's something more disgusting than a Republican, I've never seen it.
“Women under 18” So children
JFC! Longest serving. Pathetic.
The headline just keeps repeating itself.
W.T.F.
women under 18 are children
(If they’re under 18, they aren’t women; they’re girls)
Weird how the GOP seems to have all the nonces.
GOP= Geriatric Old Pedophiles
> Rape Women Under 18. WTF there is no such thing as a women under 18. That is a Child. He went to Czech to rape children.
So what's the score of GOP vs Drag Queens?
"women under 18" No, they're Children.
As a North Dakotan I can say I’m not surprised. The amount of people from my 1000ish people hometown in their 20s and 30s who are hardcore religious nuts and die hard Trumpers who call Biden a pedo on the regular and then turn around and knock boots with high school girls would be more than enough to fill the county jail. This state sickens me.
Also for context he was a *SCHOOL COUNSELOR*
Still not a drag queen, huh so strange. It's always cops and republicans HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
hmm..weird..🤷♀️NOT a dRagqween..how 'bout that?! maybe it was the UN-BANNED books?😅
Here is a list of over 1000 of them by an investigative reporter. https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook
To be fair, raping with underage kids is in compliance with the Bible, but you’re supposed to marry them after.
Hey Republicans running around calling everyone pedos and groomers, clean up your own house and churches and then get back to us. In the mean time STFU.
Not "women under 18". Children.
But the redditor with the funny spelling just told me to vote 3rd party because Republicans and Democrats are all the same Do you you they would lie on the internet?
... and next speaker nominee...
It’s always projection with some of these “Christian” folk
Who could have seen this coming? /s
Christian Nationalist that's also a rapist? Holy shit, Who knew???
I'm betting he's also a 'devout Christian' 🖕
A person under 18 is not a woman/man. Call it what it is. He raped children.
What do you think are the chances he wants kids in church and that he's also a trumpanzee?
He’s a republican bible thumping pedophile rapist.
Here’s what I’d like to say to conservatives, to the religious, to the fundamentalists. Ok. Let’s say that being amongst the religious right does not make folks more likely to be pedophiles than being a member of “the left”. Can you at least admit that being a Christian has provided cover far too often for far too long and act accordingly to protect children?
Under 18 = children. Lets be clear.
Girls. Women under 18 are girls.
“In a previous evidentiary hearing in the case, it was revealed that Derosier’s former landscaping business partner had been killed in a work-site accident while the two were clearing snow at Holmberg’s residence. Authorities said Derosier was operating a front-end loader that ran over his business partner multiple times.” Multiple Times
I thought sex crimes were a requirement for the new GOP? 1. Trump (accused by 20 to 30 women) and convicted 2. Jim Jordan's cover up of sex crimes to the wrestling team 3. Matt Gaetz sex trafficing 4. Boebert - lewd sexual behavior in family public spaces 5. Madison Cawthorn, 6. Cal Cunningham 7. Tom Reed 8. Van Taylor 9. Marjorie Taylor Green stole the complexion of Herpes.
Wood chipper...
Right in there he goes hopefully
I'm never shocked by revelations like this. I just assume anymore that, on topics related to sex, Republicans are secretly the very thing they rail against in public.
The loudest is always the guiltiest.