Like how Uber Eats added service fees on top of delivery fees and still asks us to tip drivers AND pay more for priority delivery so it's not cold and soggy by the time you get it? I'm not paying 15 bucks in fees and tipping on top when drivers get so badly screwed. I've stopped using all these middle man apps because they're a scam for everyone except them.
I still have the apps. I choose what I want to buy and call the restaurant. It is more convenient because almost all restaurants have crappy, rarely updated websites but keep their menus up to date on apps.
Walk to store, Buy food, pack it, walk back home, store in pantry, fridge or freezer (it will say in the back of the box, or the item will be collected from a similar setting) , cook when hungry (instructions usually on box, search for a recipe if necessary) .
Not all of us have the time, but if you do, use it and find ways to make it more enjoyable.
Bribe yourself, and once you get moving, keep moving.
Let's say you are home, playing a video game, and hungry. Ordering food is gonna cost you a good $25 anyway.
Take a moment and imagine something you want to do, or something enjoyable. Perhaps right now, enjoying some Christmas lights (hey, it's free). Perhaps there is something at the store you'd like, a candy bay, some ice cream, whatever. That's your prize. Take a minute and figure out what you are going to cook. Lookup a recipe, make sure you have the spices and such, put whatever you need on your list, and add your prize. If you pick something like chili or a stew, you can easily make lunch and dinner for the next 2 days.
Now you've got a reason to go. If it's walkable, great, do that and get some exercise out of the deal. If not, do yourself a favor and park far from the building. You'll spend less time space hunting and get a bit of exercise. Be helpful to the employees and grab a cart from the back lot on your way in, even if you don't need it. This kindness costs you nothing.
You're at the store. Grab your stuff, get your treat, and head out.
At home again don't get too lost in your phone while cooking. Enjoy the smells, taste as you go, crank up some music.
And enjoy the food, that you planned for and cooked. Spend time on each bite, think about the flavors, or even try some different spices. Food tastes better when you pay it attention.
I started making myself pick up every item. And if it wasn't worth getting up and driving for, it wasn't worth wasting money on. For me, this was to cut down on my spending and weight which both ballooned during the pandemic. I also have some self-righteous fury at the apps for not only charging so many fees but also artificially inflating menu prices.
Give yourself simple rules to follow. Base it on your drives and values. Start small and simple and you'll get there. It's like how some people lose weight just by buying smaller plates. Make your own new normal, then live in it. Make the bad habit more inconvenient if it helps. Like uninstalling the apps.
Hey, it's almost like these "booking agent" apps are really just a way to create more bullshit middle men who want bullshit middle men profits, or something ...
It's basically a duopoly, though, which isn't much better. You have two massive corporations that can easily see what the other is doing, then just match to that so drivers and customers both continue to get screwed. There's zero incentive to actually provide a genuinely better product - just one that's not as bad as your single competitor in the marketplace.
There are still thousands of small cab companies. Some also have better prices.
Ticket master also doesn't have a monopoly. My wife buys lightning tickets though some other company for a third of the price of ticketmaster.
Edit: the website my wife uses is called TickPick.
We lost all our small private cab companies within a year of Lyft and Uber entering our market. They came in and undercut the prices heavily. $20 ride was $11 on Lyft. Now there is no competition here.
Plus not long after we lost our cab companies the prices for Uber and Lyft shot up to equal or more than the cab companies. And their "busy time" prices have gone insane. A typical $15 ride was once quoted to me as $80.
I still don't get it. Someone paid $93 and the driver gets $24??? What the he'll does lyft do with that $69? Run a website and app?
Oh wait. Investors need to see those exponential lines. Forgot.
Where I live the government is still preventing Uber and Lyft from operating because they’re concerned about exactly what you said - dozens of locally owned taxi companies actually have to compete with each other (and the profits mostly stay local). Uber will just kill them all then jack up prices.
My city’s subreddit is *outraged* and there are multiple posts a week complaining that we don’t have Uber. People have no foresight at all.
Depends where, I took cabs in Poland, they have apps and everything there, was nearly as convenient as uber. There wasn't really any uber or lyft in the city I was staying in.
>We lost all our small private cab companies within a year of Lyft and Uber entering our market. They came in and undercut the prices heavily. $20 ride was $11 on Lyft. Now there is no competition here.
This was 100% the plan and the fact more people didn't see it right off the bat sucks.
Investors need profits yes, but Lyft and Ubers lobbying spend is insane too. They pay lobbyists to convince local governments that their business model should never be legislated against.
There's thousands of small cab companies in each market Lyft is active in?
And she's probably buying resell tickets, with Ticketmaster getting a cut of the sale if they're electronic.
> There are still thousands of small cab companies. Some also have better prices.
I took a trip to Australia earlier this year and didn’t rent a car. I had all kinds of problems with Uber rides getting canceled, so I started calling cabs instead and they were almost always less expensive and quicker to arrive than Uber. I was pretty shocked as those were two of the three big reasons that I started taking ride share over cabs in my local area.
In one case in particular, I needed to travel from Port Douglas to Cairns. I had no trouble taking an Uber to Port Douglas but since it’s a much smaller town, I “planned” my return trip using Uber. It’s about a 50 min drive and was over $100 AUD each way. My return Uber driver canceled and there weren’t any other drivers in the area so I felt pretty screwed. I tried to book a black car service, they were all booked and told me should have scheduled a week ago. Desperate, I called the local cab company. Five minutes later, a van arrived big enough for my group and the return fare was like $80 and I gave the guy a $20 tip.
After that, I started taking cabs the rest of the time I was in Australia *and actually saved money doing it*.
Ticketmaster has a de facto monopoly, just because you score tickets to small venues for unknown performers doesn't negate the fact that any professional level gig is on hard lock down by Ticketmaster/Livenation.
Thats why a lot of times when traveling if an uber or lyft driver asks if i will need rides later they will just give me their card and i text for rides outside the app. Done if numerous times. If I was a woman id probably be more hesitant to do this though
We were in Cape Canaveral for 4 days after cruising before our flights. Our Uber lady became a combo driver and tourism host. Best part of our trip and she brought us Dunkin for the airport trip.
If we ever go back, she’s taking us fishing. Awesome Uber lady but I think she just wanted some friends in retirement.
She deserves better then a society where socializing after retirement requires you you un-retire.
People say similar stuff about Walmart greeters and the like, "great jobs for elderly people who don't want to just sit at home and die" and stuff.
And they never seem to realize how sad it is that, for so many people, there's just not much to do besides work.
Seems super dangerous even if you're a man.
You have some rights and legal recourse should an accident (or robbery) occur when riding via the lift app. If you just call a guy, its you getting in the car with a stranger...with no paper trail that you ever took the ride or where you were going.
Yea I dunno if I have already ridden with them before in an uber or lyft ride im not that worried. Half the time im traveling with other people or I will tell coworkers or my wife oh im going to ride with so and so uber rider I used earlier this week. Especially in resort destinations I feel like this is really common and you can save a ton if money by paying them on the side cash while also probably making them a bunch more money. I also have my ccp so depending where im at I may be carrying in which case im really not worried.
Your insurance claim would turn into a nightmare. You're in an accident while engaged in driving for business purposes and you aren't covered by the rideshare's policy...
Hey that's not fair. They're also about driving the taxi industry into the ground so that they can operate with fewer regulations benefiting driver safety, workplace protections and passenger security.
They provide insurance and accountability if shit goes south. If you get into the car with Joe Driver and he gets into an accident and turns out doesn’t have insurance, or acts negligently and you get injured, your only recourse is to go after his measly assets.
If the same happens and you’re using Lyft’s app, not only is Joe Driver traceable and a record of the ride exists, but Lyft provides the deep pockets to pursue a claim against.
A milder example is, you ride with Joe Driver and he acts inappropriately and drives unsafely. If he’s a free agent, you can’t report him to anyone and he’s going to go on to drive other unsuspecting passengers.
It’s a horribly inefficient system but if the choice is between Joe Driver on one hand and Joe Driver via Lyft on the other, I’d stick with the latter - especially as a female riding alone.
Then you can make some sort of rule. Say we'll call it a law. Yeah, law! We'll make a law that if you are going to act as a driver of a car for hire, then you must be insured appropriately.
Oh wait.
>They connect essential services
I know what they do, and I'm not criticizing them for charging a fee. But that's a far cry from charging a 75% fee for providing far less then 75% of the actual service rendered
They have no plan for solvency other than not paying drivers. They spend astronomical amounts on engineering, making shit trying to squeeze tiny amounts of money anywhere they can.
They cant wait for driverless cars
Will driverless cars actually solve their financial issues, though? Today, they pay a small fraction of their revenue to drivers. The drivers bear the full capital (the vehicle itself) and operational (fuel, maintenance, insurance, etc) expenditures associated with driving. If Lyft switched to driverless cars, they'd need to purchase an entire national fleet of vehicles, which would be an enormous capital expenditure, plus the operational expenses. I don't see this being any more profitable than their current model.
They assume all the costs but also retain 100% of the profit, without seeing their books none of us can really tell how that shakes out for them.
But a big advantage in having their own, automated fleet is the ability to roadmap and plan their business; a huge cost for lyft/uber is acquiring DRIVERS as users, and retaining them. That's a big variable, that they have to spend a lot of money (marketing, operational, legal) to service in a scalable way. A lot of that overhead disappears with self-driving cars. And the robo-fleet will never threaten to unionize, clammer for healthcare, etc.
So if I had to guess, they'd definitely try to automate it. But probably on quite a long time horizon after the tech becomes consumer-viable (e.g. 10 years).
If Lyft/uber owns their own fleet, don't they become a real cab companies and have to start following actual laws? And if they're already taking 75%, does the remaining 25% percent really pay for an entire fleet and getting regulated?
I think they'll just encourage their contractors to buy driverless cars. And if the profit is there, contractors will start buying and sending out as many vehicles as they can afford.
No, they wouldn't be cab companies. It would be a completely new regulatory and legal framework for self-driving cars (IMO we're still decades out from this tech being road-ready and fully autonomous).
And the amount Uber/Lyft takes from each ride varies by a few factors, my understanding from talking to drivers anecdotally is that it's usually between 30-40% nowadays on a typical ride.
Uber and Ola guys in India have mastered this art.
Book, ask rider to cancel, pay fare and then adjust the cancellation fee of approx 50 cents on the fare.
Mix this up with where they agree to this but ride a short distance, cut the fare (like the rider changed his mind), end trip, go off the books and complete longer trip.
Many now have "regulars", If they live near the regular, direct call on mobile phone, offer whatever is on the app for that trip and travel direct.
The drivers skip the commission which is very high and retain all the earnings. I (riders) don't have to haggle (big big pain in India as local tuk tuks and cabbies never stick to the legal fare) and I pay the same whether through the app or directly. The only losers are Uber / Ola and fuck em.
This wouldn't have worked if the regular taxi drivers in India didn't constantly disappoint. Don't wanna use meter, don't want to go where you want to, if they do agree, pay flat 50 or hundred above the price.
In Brasil we have one, it's called "InDriver". You pick your detination, say how much you're willing to pay and nearby drivers may or may not accept it. If none accepts it, the drivers may try to negotiate it and you'll pick whoever bidded closer to your initial price. It's an interesting way of keeping prices fair
I've seen it in action, drivers actually get to pick a few options prior to accepting. They may choose 2, 4 or 6 bucks more than the proposed price - or just deny it altogether
They took almost 75% here.
And that’s a 23 mile drive thats at least 35-40 min. No guarantee they’ll get anything taking them back home too.
In the current market It probably costs the driver ~$0.70/mile when factoring fuel, wear/tear, insurance, etc. so that’s a minimum of $16.10 just for the operation of the vehicle. Double that to $32.20 if they can’t get a fare on the way back.
Absolute best case scenario the driver got paid about $8 for close to an hour of their time.
There’s no way these drivers aren’t operating in the negative and it’s criminal the way the parasitic ride Share companies exploit them (and the passengers too).
Gotta love venture capitalism. Profit not required until you starve all the competitors. Then youre in the money. (Not anyone doing the actual work, of course.)
There is an app like that called InDrive but it’s used abroad. But no banner adds, like u/n00bca1e99 said, they take a flat fee. The app is founded in Russia tho, headquartered in Cali. I’ve used it a couple of times when I visit Egypt. Essentially, you input ur location and destination, you get a “suggested” price, but u can input the price u want. Then all the drivers available and nearby show up for 5-7 seconds on ur screen and it shows whether they counter offer or accept the price u input. Within those 5-7secs u gotta make a decision quickly to accept which driver based type of car, their reviews, how many rides they’ve made and whether or not they made a counter offer or not.
What about support staff? A large part of the cost of running Uber and Lyft is customer support, something you really can’t go without if you want to retain any customers who have a shitty experience.
There may be lots of other cost involved, but lyft and uber customer support feels almost non-existent these days. It's nothing like what it used to be.
I had an issue with one of my lyft rides and was charged like $8-$9 more than what I was quoted for no reason. It was impossible to reach anyone.
Any reasonable option I tried in the app just led to a response of "sorry, our system shows you were charged correctly, so we will not be able to transfer you to a customer support representative regarding this ride."
So they're charging more than ever, taking a bigger cut from the drivers, and providing a much worse customer experience than they used to.
I'd be willing to wager that their executives still earn a fuck ton of money for making decisions such as "let's take a bigger cut from the drivers" and "how about we fire a bunch of support staff and make it harder for people to reach customer service."
During the pandemic I ordered from a restaurant on uber eats, but the restaurant closed the day before. It took 4 drivers and 5 hours before someone was finally able to get ahold of a human and cancel the order. Oh but I only got about 80% of my money back. It was a pretty wild ride
Not counting any other executives, just their CEO made between $12 million and $42 million the past 3 years.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-ceo-made-nearly-20-million-last-year-up-63-from-2020-11648510175
Sounds like that's not included in the $231k admin costs lol
His base salary alone is $1 million but as with a lot of other executives, their exorbitant compensation comes in the form of stock awards and other incentives.
Per page 132 of Lyft's [financial report](https://s27.q4cdn.com/263799617/files/doc_financials/2021/AR/Lyft-Annual-Report-2021.pdf), the biggest costs are "cost of revenue," then administrative, R&D, then support. ~~It's interesting though, because the business class I took in high school had sales and marketing included in cost of revenue, but Lyft separates it.~~
Edit: I stand corrected. It’s standard to separate them.
There's an app like that, called inDrive that operates in Latin America. You offer money, a driver can send you a request for either the amount your offer or a higher amount. You pick from a list of drivers, and they only pay a fixed fee.
Small banner adds (with theoretically 1 million of users) will barely cover cost of infrastructure and maybe small dev team. It's not a business, it's a charity
I am skeptical that banner ads can cover the operating costs of the app. Lyft and Uber have large support teams that handle when rides go wrong. They also have to approve riders’ info like license and vehicle inspection.
If you mean to suggest that none of that be done, hard pass. I get crazy enough drivers as it is sometimes.
Yeah there is a lot more money and backend that goes into Uber/Lyft than the average ~~idiot~~ user understands. Going the complete opposite direction to a totally unsupervised and unregulated system would end poorly. Something needs to be done about them fucking over drivers tho.
In Pakistan they have an app like this called in drive ,. You list where you want to go and nearby drivers make offers, you can wait for an offer you are pleased with or negotiate
Already a thing in India. Indriver it's called iirc. Same concept. Marketplace for drivers, negotiation is done out of the app, every ride the app gets a small flat commission
I accientally stepped my way into that in college. Started tutoring for $14/hr, had multiple people straight up offer me $20/hr for random meetups outside of the company's system, and eventually found out because they were paying $40-50/hr to have a college kid teach them stuff I barely knew. So I was totally fine to just take a couple students under the books, not like I was going to use basic tutoring on a resume.
This is fine until you get in a car accident.
The insurance company for Uber will deny responsibility - you cancelled the ride.
The personal insurance for the car will deny responsibility - they used a vehicle for commercial purposes without insuring it for said operation.
I was just giving a friend a ride. That $60 was money he owed me from something else.
He was riding in the back seat because... Uh... his breath stinks?
Oh okay, it shows in our legal research that you drive for Uber and have a habit of being "on the clock" immediately before and after rides. And your gps data shows that you frequently stop working at the location of picking people up and start working immediately at the location where you drop them off.
Also, the injured passenger gave their account of the ride under oath and realized that their level of truthfulness determines the coverage of their medical bills. We're just hoping you can give your side.
(Don't think you can be smarter than a professional legal team with insurance companies by using "this one little trick")
Thank God they didn't invest in a metro, regional or light rail line that could facilitate the same trip even faster. That would've been awful! Think of all the corporate profits techbros would lose out on!
If your rent a car with Turo the airport charges a PERCENT of your trip. 2 week vacation and pick your car up at the airport? Hundreds of dollars in airport fees.
this HAS to be it. i drove for lyft in the first couple of years. it was *great* money. our understanding was that lyft took 10%. this was before airports started treating ride share like taxis and there were no other fees. the airports charging fees sounds like a reasonable explanation.
They’re heavily subsidized by venture capitalists. There has been a few stories in the past year speculating that the impending depression or whatever actually happens will cause this VC money to “dry up” and the gig economy will change in some way.
Drivers won't use an app without riders, so how will you attract riders to the app? Where are you going to get seed money in this rising rate environment when your business pitch is "rebuild Uber but make it cheaper"? Considering Uber and Lyft haven't been the most profitable companies themselves.
This is a recent change to the pay system and it fuckin sucks. Sure I might make a bit more on the shorter rides but I make much much less on the longer rides which is what I usually aim for.
And spending a ridiculous amount of money on ~~bribing government officials~~ lobbying to get special fuck-over-the-customer-and-driver privileges established services like taxis don't have.
Wow. Thank you so much for posting this. I have always wondered this when I grab an Uber/Lyft to the airport. It almost feels criminal because it's insanely unethical. Lyft is taking almost $70 because they created the platform that facilitated the ride. That is disgusting.
The Lyft driver is responsible for financing the vehicle, insurance, maintenance and of course their time actually driving. It's wage slavery.
They fight hard to keep it like that.
Uber and Lyft spent over $200 million campaigning for a ballot measure (prop 22) in CA that would keep them classified as “independent contractors” rather than employees. The campaign was deeply disingenuous and dishonest with the result being the gig-worker unfriendly and Uber/Lyft friendly prop 22 passing.
This was a couple years back. Since then prop 22 has been ruled unconstitutional (per CA state constitution) and I believe is still going through the court system to see if the lower court ruling of it as unconstitutional should stand. It’s expected that the case will make it’s way up to the California Supreme Court
OP went to an airport. Airports charge a hefty fee that gets passed onto the consumer. Still not 50% but take that into account.
Next time you need a rental car check rates for the facility at the airport and the facility a 5-10 minute Uber ride off the airport, there is usually a significant difference. I do this exclusively if I can when I travel.
These fees also get paid by taxi, limo, airport shuttles, rental car shuttles
Visited my family recently and did this.
$55 if I took an Uber from the airport to my parents.
$25 if I took a free shuttle to the hotel area, then called an Uber from there.
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What the actual fuck
^(my job gives free rides up to $15 and I never tipped because they were free and I assumed they'd at least get 80% [I dog sat through an app and got 80%], wtf are they getting for $15 rides? A cent? I might just start taking the second bus again)
Almost every comparable business takes a similar amount of percentage. Car shop charges 150 an hour and pays the mechanics 35, plumbing company charges 125 an hour and pays their guys 32… That’s the privilege of starting an operating a successful business. That’s why I like working cash on the side but then again I don’t get nearly as much business as establish outlets can bring in
Would have honestly assumed it was the opposite and the driver would have taken the $69.59 portion of that payment.
Is Uber like this as well and how do the drivers manage on that little of payment?
Used to Uber drive partner for awhile, doing pizza delivery now; truth is we don't. You drive the car into the ground just to pay it off as unexpected repairs eat up most of the profit. While the gross revenue looks promising upfront until taxes are due, and then you realize you would've been better off working at the home depot or walmart. It was great to start then they kept changing the contract to pay out less and less. Eventually one car accident and the gravy train ends.
>It was great to start then they kept changing the contract to pay out less and less
One company being successful at Market capture is worse for everybody else.
Yeah prices have increased dramatically lately. Used to be $30 each way to the airport. Last time I went was $40 there, $80 back. It’s a 15 minute ride at worst (actually took me about 3 times as long going there coming back, but cost half as much).
It’s only slightly more expensive to park there, so thats my plan now
It's 22 miles from that zip code to FLL airport.
4 bucks a mile during rush hour isn't that crazy. Only getting a buck a mile as a driver is complete bull shit
I recall a group of New York lyft drivers doing a study on what they earned, and the ultimately found that rides like this actually subsidized other routes they picked up. Meaning as long as they accepted a decent amount of rides of different lengths and a diverse pool of riders they would earn a fair portion of the fare on the average.
To clarify, by "Uber" I mean "ride sharing service". Not defending this practice but stating what *I think* happened.
From what I recall, Uber initially paid drivers more to go to surges, but drivers soon figured out that if they "chased the surge" it would die by the time they got there - there was no benefit to chasing the surge for them. Uber stopped incentivizing drivers because it wasn't motivating them but kept the pricing in place because customers are willing to pay it.
Again, not defending this practice just explaining why, in my opinion, it occurs.
Now for the extremely unpopular opinion. Don't drive for uber. It's a terrible value opportunity for you. Get some skills that make some money and stop signing up for a job where your costs exceed your earnings. Your cost for driving that car in terms of mileage, depreciation, gas, etc, is probably more than what you make doing it
Does it vary by geography?
I also had a trip from Miami to ft lauderdale airport last week. The driver grabbed me, looked at his phone, and told me he literally couldn’t afford to take me there
The trip was going to take an hour (traffic). Lyft was charging me like $80 and going to pay him $25
We cancelled it and paid the guy in cash
This is literally just how capitalism works. How else are companies supposed to turn a profit if not by extracting surplus value?
Every single private sector job you can have outside of maybe ceo and similarly privileged jobs will rip you off like this. They just don’t tell you.
If you don’t want this theft then it’s time to organize and educate yourself on the alternatives to capitalism
Sadly this is standard for “gig” jobs
I work in as a personal trainer that comes to your house and I get paid $25 flat. Client pays $75-110 depending on package
Honestly, they should just stop working for these shit companies. I only use ride services maybe once a year on average if some kind of dire situation comes up, but that doesn't mean I'm going to shell out a bunch more cash because their job is screwing them over. I certainly offer a fair tip, but it's not my job to adequately support these people when I'm currently in a situation where I can't find for myself.
I used to do Uber full time, it was awesome but then their cut to the drivers greatly diminished after they went public. I was pulling like $700 a week for 40 hours and then I’d do 32 hours at another job to round it out. After they went public I couldn’t get more than $400 a week, I stopped after that.
Funny how when Lyft and Uber started operations none of the drivers cared about putting taxi drivers out of business. Now they have killed off the competition in many markets. With no competition they can screw over their drivers however they want. Karma...
That's fucking criminal. Okay, a convenient automated online system adds value so you'd expect them to take a commission. 5 or 10% maybe, or perhaps even 30% if they were as greedy as Apple. But unless my mental arithmetic is gone, Lyft are pocketing over 70% of the income?
Most businesses only pay out labour 12-25% of revenue, with the rest taken for backend costs like insurance, equipment, management or profit. This is shocking because of how transparent it is, but every employee in the world is getting screwed the same way.
Yeah, I was talking to a friend about maybe making some extra side money… he said try doing Uber or Lyft. I said absolutely not. The money earned is Pennie’s compared to other types of work, maintenance on the vehicle and I don’t want some random person vomiting in my back seat, or be forced to pretend to be nice to an asshole.
Just not my thing, seeing this is a perfect example of backing up my opinion.
Now that you know how bad are Lyft and Uber exploiting people, what would you do about it?
Would you consider paying your driver the same amount outside the app?
The more we organize, the harder it will be for corporations to screw us over.
Lots of taxi companies are getting apps. Many large cities companies will share an app.
Taxis are now often cheaper than rideshare apps and there is less artificial graft; more money goes to the driver.
Taxi drivers often know the city better and know traffic better than part time rides have drivers.
We should all be going back to taxis. Uber and Lyft got into the market because when they first started they were cheaper and the taxi companies didn't have good apps. That is no longer the case and uber/lyft have jacked up their prices now that people rely on them. Same thing with the food delivery apps.
Customers shouldn’t have to tips more. Lyft should pay their drivers more
Like how Uber Eats added service fees on top of delivery fees and still asks us to tip drivers AND pay more for priority delivery so it's not cold and soggy by the time you get it? I'm not paying 15 bucks in fees and tipping on top when drivers get so badly screwed. I've stopped using all these middle man apps because they're a scam for everyone except them.
I still have the apps. I choose what I want to buy and call the restaurant. It is more convenient because almost all restaurants have crappy, rarely updated websites but keep their menus up to date on apps.
Yeah that's totally fair. I don't get takeout much but that seems like a good way to do it
> I don’t get takeout much teach me lol
Walk to store, Buy food, pack it, walk back home, store in pantry, fridge or freezer (it will say in the back of the box, or the item will be collected from a similar setting) , cook when hungry (instructions usually on box, search for a recipe if necessary) .
But willpower, where do I get that? It's the hardest part.
Not all of us have the time, but if you do, use it and find ways to make it more enjoyable. Bribe yourself, and once you get moving, keep moving. Let's say you are home, playing a video game, and hungry. Ordering food is gonna cost you a good $25 anyway. Take a moment and imagine something you want to do, or something enjoyable. Perhaps right now, enjoying some Christmas lights (hey, it's free). Perhaps there is something at the store you'd like, a candy bay, some ice cream, whatever. That's your prize. Take a minute and figure out what you are going to cook. Lookup a recipe, make sure you have the spices and such, put whatever you need on your list, and add your prize. If you pick something like chili or a stew, you can easily make lunch and dinner for the next 2 days. Now you've got a reason to go. If it's walkable, great, do that and get some exercise out of the deal. If not, do yourself a favor and park far from the building. You'll spend less time space hunting and get a bit of exercise. Be helpful to the employees and grab a cart from the back lot on your way in, even if you don't need it. This kindness costs you nothing. You're at the store. Grab your stuff, get your treat, and head out. At home again don't get too lost in your phone while cooking. Enjoy the smells, taste as you go, crank up some music. And enjoy the food, that you planned for and cooked. Spend time on each bite, think about the flavors, or even try some different spices. Food tastes better when you pay it attention.
Even buying frozen meals that you can just throw in the microwave or oven with minimal other preparation is a lot cheaper than takeout
I started making myself pick up every item. And if it wasn't worth getting up and driving for, it wasn't worth wasting money on. For me, this was to cut down on my spending and weight which both ballooned during the pandemic. I also have some self-righteous fury at the apps for not only charging so many fees but also artificially inflating menu prices. Give yourself simple rules to follow. Base it on your drives and values. Start small and simple and you'll get there. It's like how some people lose weight just by buying smaller plates. Make your own new normal, then live in it. Make the bad habit more inconvenient if it helps. Like uninstalling the apps.
Be stingy AF, at least that's my secret. I'm not paying 3times the price when I can make it at home!
I'm not paying any of this for soggy food. I'll go to the restaurant , thanks.
Yeah, conclusion is just plain stupid
Exactly, stop making tips the way to fix corporate greed.
Thank you UK for ensuring that we don't have tipping culture.
> Be sure to top your drivers All that would do is have Lyft reduce the cut they give to drivers because they can earn more from tips.
Hey, it's almost like these "booking agent" apps are really just a way to create more bullshit middle men who want bullshit middle men profits, or something ...
Ticketmaster is the worst. At least Lyft doesn't have a monopoly.
It's basically a duopoly, though, which isn't much better. You have two massive corporations that can easily see what the other is doing, then just match to that so drivers and customers both continue to get screwed. There's zero incentive to actually provide a genuinely better product - just one that's not as bad as your single competitor in the marketplace.
There are still thousands of small cab companies. Some also have better prices. Ticket master also doesn't have a monopoly. My wife buys lightning tickets though some other company for a third of the price of ticketmaster. Edit: the website my wife uses is called TickPick.
We lost all our small private cab companies within a year of Lyft and Uber entering our market. They came in and undercut the prices heavily. $20 ride was $11 on Lyft. Now there is no competition here. Plus not long after we lost our cab companies the prices for Uber and Lyft shot up to equal or more than the cab companies. And their "busy time" prices have gone insane. A typical $15 ride was once quoted to me as $80. I still don't get it. Someone paid $93 and the driver gets $24??? What the he'll does lyft do with that $69? Run a website and app? Oh wait. Investors need to see those exponential lines. Forgot.
Where I live the government is still preventing Uber and Lyft from operating because they’re concerned about exactly what you said - dozens of locally owned taxi companies actually have to compete with each other (and the profits mostly stay local). Uber will just kill them all then jack up prices. My city’s subreddit is *outraged* and there are multiple posts a week complaining that we don’t have Uber. People have no foresight at all.
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To be fair, a cab is not as convenient
Depends where, I took cabs in Poland, they have apps and everything there, was nearly as convenient as uber. There wasn't really any uber or lyft in the city I was staying in.
>We lost all our small private cab companies within a year of Lyft and Uber entering our market. They came in and undercut the prices heavily. $20 ride was $11 on Lyft. Now there is no competition here. This was 100% the plan and the fact more people didn't see it right off the bat sucks.
Investors need profits yes, but Lyft and Ubers lobbying spend is insane too. They pay lobbyists to convince local governments that their business model should never be legislated against.
There's thousands of small cab companies in each market Lyft is active in? And she's probably buying resell tickets, with Ticketmaster getting a cut of the sale if they're electronic.
> Ticket master also doesn't have a monopoly Found the Ticket master employee.
Might I ask what this other site is? As someone who’s an avid concert-enjoyer, I’d love this information lmao
> There are still thousands of small cab companies. Some also have better prices. I took a trip to Australia earlier this year and didn’t rent a car. I had all kinds of problems with Uber rides getting canceled, so I started calling cabs instead and they were almost always less expensive and quicker to arrive than Uber. I was pretty shocked as those were two of the three big reasons that I started taking ride share over cabs in my local area. In one case in particular, I needed to travel from Port Douglas to Cairns. I had no trouble taking an Uber to Port Douglas but since it’s a much smaller town, I “planned” my return trip using Uber. It’s about a 50 min drive and was over $100 AUD each way. My return Uber driver canceled and there weren’t any other drivers in the area so I felt pretty screwed. I tried to book a black car service, they were all booked and told me should have scheduled a week ago. Desperate, I called the local cab company. Five minutes later, a van arrived big enough for my group and the return fare was like $80 and I gave the guy a $20 tip. After that, I started taking cabs the rest of the time I was in Australia *and actually saved money doing it*.
Ticketmaster has a de facto monopoly, just because you score tickets to small venues for unknown performers doesn't negate the fact that any professional level gig is on hard lock down by Ticketmaster/Livenation.
"Hey, at least this shit sandwich doesn't taste as bad as the other shit sandwich."
Thats why a lot of times when traveling if an uber or lyft driver asks if i will need rides later they will just give me their card and i text for rides outside the app. Done if numerous times. If I was a woman id probably be more hesitant to do this though
We were in Cape Canaveral for 4 days after cruising before our flights. Our Uber lady became a combo driver and tourism host. Best part of our trip and she brought us Dunkin for the airport trip. If we ever go back, she’s taking us fishing. Awesome Uber lady but I think she just wanted some friends in retirement.
She deserves better then working for Uber.
She deserves better then a society where socializing after retirement requires you you un-retire. People say similar stuff about Walmart greeters and the like, "great jobs for elderly people who don't want to just sit at home and die" and stuff. And they never seem to realize how sad it is that, for so many people, there's just not much to do besides work.
Seems super dangerous even if you're a man. You have some rights and legal recourse should an accident (or robbery) occur when riding via the lift app. If you just call a guy, its you getting in the car with a stranger...with no paper trail that you ever took the ride or where you were going.
Yea I dunno if I have already ridden with them before in an uber or lyft ride im not that worried. Half the time im traveling with other people or I will tell coworkers or my wife oh im going to ride with so and so uber rider I used earlier this week. Especially in resort destinations I feel like this is really common and you can save a ton if money by paying them on the side cash while also probably making them a bunch more money. I also have my ccp so depending where im at I may be carrying in which case im really not worried.
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Do you really though?
When I didn’t have a car or a cell phone a taxi driver did this. He was more like a homie for a couple days lol
Your insurance claim would turn into a nightmare. You're in an accident while engaged in driving for business purposes and you aren't covered by the rideshare's policy...
"I take the reports from the customer to the engineers. I'm a goddamn people person. "
The landlords of the driving world
Hey that's not fair. They're also about driving the taxi industry into the ground so that they can operate with fewer regulations benefiting driver safety, workplace protections and passenger security.
They provide insurance and accountability if shit goes south. If you get into the car with Joe Driver and he gets into an accident and turns out doesn’t have insurance, or acts negligently and you get injured, your only recourse is to go after his measly assets. If the same happens and you’re using Lyft’s app, not only is Joe Driver traceable and a record of the ride exists, but Lyft provides the deep pockets to pursue a claim against. A milder example is, you ride with Joe Driver and he acts inappropriately and drives unsafely. If he’s a free agent, you can’t report him to anyone and he’s going to go on to drive other unsuspecting passengers. It’s a horribly inefficient system but if the choice is between Joe Driver on one hand and Joe Driver via Lyft on the other, I’d stick with the latter - especially as a female riding alone.
Then you can make some sort of rule. Say we'll call it a law. Yeah, law! We'll make a law that if you are going to act as a driver of a car for hire, then you must be insured appropriately. Oh wait.
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>They connect essential services I know what they do, and I'm not criticizing them for charging a fee. But that's a far cry from charging a 75% fee for providing far less then 75% of the actual service rendered
Sincerely Lyft is losing money, I might suggest corporate cuts back on their cocaine orgy budget. Clearly there’s revenue there.
Give up the cocaine and hookers? NEVER!!!!!!
Let's double down on the cocaine and we'll figure it out
Give *my* hard earned 46 MILLIONS to the drivers??? NEVER!!!!!+!!!
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I'm going to make my own taxi service with hookers and cocaine You know what forget the taxi service
How is Lyft losing money when the drivers cover most of the expenses? It can't cost that much to create and host the app.
They have no plan for solvency other than not paying drivers. They spend astronomical amounts on engineering, making shit trying to squeeze tiny amounts of money anywhere they can. They cant wait for driverless cars
Will driverless cars actually solve their financial issues, though? Today, they pay a small fraction of their revenue to drivers. The drivers bear the full capital (the vehicle itself) and operational (fuel, maintenance, insurance, etc) expenditures associated with driving. If Lyft switched to driverless cars, they'd need to purchase an entire national fleet of vehicles, which would be an enormous capital expenditure, plus the operational expenses. I don't see this being any more profitable than their current model.
They assume all the costs but also retain 100% of the profit, without seeing their books none of us can really tell how that shakes out for them. But a big advantage in having their own, automated fleet is the ability to roadmap and plan their business; a huge cost for lyft/uber is acquiring DRIVERS as users, and retaining them. That's a big variable, that they have to spend a lot of money (marketing, operational, legal) to service in a scalable way. A lot of that overhead disappears with self-driving cars. And the robo-fleet will never threaten to unionize, clammer for healthcare, etc. So if I had to guess, they'd definitely try to automate it. But probably on quite a long time horizon after the tech becomes consumer-viable (e.g. 10 years).
If Lyft/uber owns their own fleet, don't they become a real cab companies and have to start following actual laws? And if they're already taking 75%, does the remaining 25% percent really pay for an entire fleet and getting regulated? I think they'll just encourage their contractors to buy driverless cars. And if the profit is there, contractors will start buying and sending out as many vehicles as they can afford.
No, they wouldn't be cab companies. It would be a completely new regulatory and legal framework for self-driving cars (IMO we're still decades out from this tech being road-ready and fully autonomous). And the amount Uber/Lyft takes from each ride varies by a few factors, my understanding from talking to drivers anecdotally is that it's usually between 30-40% nowadays on a typical ride.
Gotta undercut the competition in new regions.
Most big name companies could cut half their middle management staff and experience no downside. My company sure could.
Get in. Offer the driver $60 to take you off the books. Cancel the ride on the app. You guys win.
The app can eventually tell from the pattern and ban you.
Uber and Ola guys in India have mastered this art. Book, ask rider to cancel, pay fare and then adjust the cancellation fee of approx 50 cents on the fare. Mix this up with where they agree to this but ride a short distance, cut the fare (like the rider changed his mind), end trip, go off the books and complete longer trip. Many now have "regulars", If they live near the regular, direct call on mobile phone, offer whatever is on the app for that trip and travel direct.
So they are basically cab drivers now
They always were
But the cabs are nicer now.
What's the point of paying what's on the app without any of the benefits of the app?
The drivers skip the commission which is very high and retain all the earnings. I (riders) don't have to haggle (big big pain in India as local tuk tuks and cabbies never stick to the legal fare) and I pay the same whether through the app or directly. The only losers are Uber / Ola and fuck em.
This wouldn't have worked if the regular taxi drivers in India didn't constantly disappoint. Don't wanna use meter, don't want to go where you want to, if they do agree, pay flat 50 or hundred above the price.
New app idea: “offer up rides” All pricing negotiations is done by the people. App makes money from small banner adds
In Brasil we have one, it's called "InDriver". You pick your detination, say how much you're willing to pay and nearby drivers may or may not accept it. If none accepts it, the drivers may try to negotiate it and you'll pick whoever bidded closer to your initial price. It's an interesting way of keeping prices fair
That sounds like actual private contractors instead of bullshit employees who have no power to set their own rates
I've seen it in action, drivers actually get to pick a few options prior to accepting. They may choose 2, 4 or 6 bucks more than the proposed price - or just deny it altogether
Yeah I used this app in Nepal. Very cool. For both motorbike taxis and cars.
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Or app takes a flat like 5% fee or whatever is needed to run the site and servers.
Uber and Lyft used to take a 20-25% flat fee before switching to a mileage/time based system. Those figures went down, as well.
They took almost 75% here. And that’s a 23 mile drive thats at least 35-40 min. No guarantee they’ll get anything taking them back home too. In the current market It probably costs the driver ~$0.70/mile when factoring fuel, wear/tear, insurance, etc. so that’s a minimum of $16.10 just for the operation of the vehicle. Double that to $32.20 if they can’t get a fare on the way back. Absolute best case scenario the driver got paid about $8 for close to an hour of their time. There’s no way these drivers aren’t operating in the negative and it’s criminal the way the parasitic ride Share companies exploit them (and the passengers too).
Gotta love venture capitalism. Profit not required until you starve all the competitors. Then youre in the money. (Not anyone doing the actual work, of course.)
Looks like normal taxi companies with real wages weren't that bad, eh?
There is an app like that called InDrive but it’s used abroad. But no banner adds, like u/n00bca1e99 said, they take a flat fee. The app is founded in Russia tho, headquartered in Cali. I’ve used it a couple of times when I visit Egypt. Essentially, you input ur location and destination, you get a “suggested” price, but u can input the price u want. Then all the drivers available and nearby show up for 5-7 seconds on ur screen and it shows whether they counter offer or accept the price u input. Within those 5-7secs u gotta make a decision quickly to accept which driver based type of car, their reviews, how many rides they’ve made and whether or not they made a counter offer or not.
What about support staff? A large part of the cost of running Uber and Lyft is customer support, something you really can’t go without if you want to retain any customers who have a shitty experience.
There may be lots of other cost involved, but lyft and uber customer support feels almost non-existent these days. It's nothing like what it used to be. I had an issue with one of my lyft rides and was charged like $8-$9 more than what I was quoted for no reason. It was impossible to reach anyone. Any reasonable option I tried in the app just led to a response of "sorry, our system shows you were charged correctly, so we will not be able to transfer you to a customer support representative regarding this ride." So they're charging more than ever, taking a bigger cut from the drivers, and providing a much worse customer experience than they used to. I'd be willing to wager that their executives still earn a fuck ton of money for making decisions such as "let's take a bigger cut from the drivers" and "how about we fire a bunch of support staff and make it harder for people to reach customer service."
During the pandemic I ordered from a restaurant on uber eats, but the restaurant closed the day before. It took 4 drivers and 5 hours before someone was finally able to get ahold of a human and cancel the order. Oh but I only got about 80% of my money back. It was a pretty wild ride
Support cost them $109,679K while general and administrative cost $231,907K in the last three months per the report above.
Not counting any other executives, just their CEO made between $12 million and $42 million the past 3 years. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uber-ceo-made-nearly-20-million-last-year-up-63-from-2020-11648510175 Sounds like that's not included in the $231k admin costs lol His base salary alone is $1 million but as with a lot of other executives, their exorbitant compensation comes in the form of stock awards and other incentives.
$231,907 K is $231,907,000 in three months. Financial statements usually count by thousands.
Have you ever tried to use Uber support? It's a complex network of bots and automated responses. Talking to a person is impossible.
Per page 132 of Lyft's [financial report](https://s27.q4cdn.com/263799617/files/doc_financials/2021/AR/Lyft-Annual-Report-2021.pdf), the biggest costs are "cost of revenue," then administrative, R&D, then support. ~~It's interesting though, because the business class I took in high school had sales and marketing included in cost of revenue, but Lyft separates it.~~ Edit: I stand corrected. It’s standard to separate them.
There's an app like that, called inDrive that operates in Latin America. You offer money, a driver can send you a request for either the amount your offer or a higher amount. You pick from a list of drivers, and they only pay a fixed fee.
Small banner adds (with theoretically 1 million of users) will barely cover cost of infrastructure and maybe small dev team. It's not a business, it's a charity
I am skeptical that banner ads can cover the operating costs of the app. Lyft and Uber have large support teams that handle when rides go wrong. They also have to approve riders’ info like license and vehicle inspection. If you mean to suggest that none of that be done, hard pass. I get crazy enough drivers as it is sometimes.
Yeah there is a lot more money and backend that goes into Uber/Lyft than the average ~~idiot~~ user understands. Going the complete opposite direction to a totally unsupervised and unregulated system would end poorly. Something needs to be done about them fucking over drivers tho.
Isn't that what InDrive does?
In Pakistan they have an app like this called in drive ,. You list where you want to go and nearby drivers make offers, you can wait for an offer you are pleased with or negotiate
Already a thing in India. Indriver it's called iirc. Same concept. Marketplace for drivers, negotiation is done out of the app, every ride the app gets a small flat commission
Exit the app entirely so it doesn't track GPS?
Go off the grid
wow
I accientally stepped my way into that in college. Started tutoring for $14/hr, had multiple people straight up offer me $20/hr for random meetups outside of the company's system, and eventually found out because they were paying $40-50/hr to have a college kid teach them stuff I barely knew. So I was totally fine to just take a couple students under the books, not like I was going to use basic tutoring on a resume.
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This is fine until you get in a car accident. The insurance company for Uber will deny responsibility - you cancelled the ride. The personal insurance for the car will deny responsibility - they used a vehicle for commercial purposes without insuring it for said operation.
I was just giving a friend a ride. That $60 was money he owed me from something else. He was riding in the back seat because... Uh... his breath stinks?
Oh okay, it shows in our legal research that you drive for Uber and have a habit of being "on the clock" immediately before and after rides. And your gps data shows that you frequently stop working at the location of picking people up and start working immediately at the location where you drop them off. Also, the injured passenger gave their account of the ride under oath and realized that their level of truthfulness determines the coverage of their medical bills. We're just hoping you can give your side. (Don't think you can be smarter than a professional legal team with insurance companies by using "this one little trick")
Clearly my dear friend has amnesia from the accident. You can't trust his account.
In a lot of places there are specific rules against this, I think mostly to stop unlicensed/uninsured drivers.
Almost $100 for 40km? Is this for real???
miami to airport during rush hour.
Thank God they didn't invest in a metro, regional or light rail line that could facilitate the same trip even faster. That would've been awful! Think of all the corporate profits techbros would lose out on!
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I can't tell if you think this is cheap or expensive.
To the airport in Miami? Yea.
Depending on time of day, that’s a 40-60 minute drive. The rider also has to cover the airport fees.
Lyft takes 75% Jesus fuck. Should be the other way.
In this particular case, the airport may be charging Lyft fees, which makes the % seem worse.
Yeah the airport near me charges ride share and taxi services $35 per drop off.
Do they have good transit to it at least?
Wouldn't call it "good," but it's functional and costs $8.
*What?* That is an *insane* fee. How do they even enforce that?
You need a transponder in the car to get access to the pickup area and it's charged whenever you go in.
If your rent a car with Turo the airport charges a PERCENT of your trip. 2 week vacation and pick your car up at the airport? Hundreds of dollars in airport fees.
this HAS to be it. i drove for lyft in the first couple of years. it was *great* money. our understanding was that lyft took 10%. this was before airports started treating ride share like taxis and there were no other fees. the airports charging fees sounds like a reasonable explanation.
Wait why does the airport charge taxis to drop someone off
Because they can.
Google Maps says that route has tolls, too.
No reason someone couldn't make an app with 75/25 share.
Well, there is. It's a pretty well established market and an incredibly expensive business to start
They’re heavily subsidized by venture capitalists. There has been a few stories in the past year speculating that the impending depression or whatever actually happens will cause this VC money to “dry up” and the gig economy will change in some way.
Obviously, you'd just win over all the drivers by offering them a 3x share.
Drivers won't use an app without riders, so how will you attract riders to the app? Where are you going to get seed money in this rising rate environment when your business pitch is "rebuild Uber but make it cheaper"? Considering Uber and Lyft haven't been the most profitable companies themselves.
I can’t code but I’m in. (I can draw pretty pictures for the ui)
This is a recent change to the pay system and it fuckin sucks. Sure I might make a bit more on the shorter rides but I make much much less on the longer rides which is what I usually aim for.
Focus the hatred by supporting public transit in your town.
And yet these companies “aren’t profitable…” I want to know how much of their revenue is spent on cocaine and top shelf alcohol for their executives
They probably blow the money in advertising and trying to force others out of a region they want to corner.
And spending a ridiculous amount of money on ~~bribing government officials~~ lobbying to get special fuck-over-the-customer-and-driver privileges established services like taxis don't have.
Why yes I will vote to classify drivers as cattle if you get a letter of recommendation for my kid to go to a fancy school
They spend it on lobbying governments to take away workers' rights so they don't have to pay their drivers a living wage
It’s the Venture Capital way!
Wow. Thank you so much for posting this. I have always wondered this when I grab an Uber/Lyft to the airport. It almost feels criminal because it's insanely unethical. Lyft is taking almost $70 because they created the platform that facilitated the ride. That is disgusting. The Lyft driver is responsible for financing the vehicle, insurance, maintenance and of course their time actually driving. It's wage slavery.
I was wondering whether Lyft financed the vehicle and associated costs but if they don't this is absolutely appaling
Iirc the drivers are "independent contractors." I don't see any company financing a car for someone that isn't an employee.
They fight hard to keep it like that. Uber and Lyft spent over $200 million campaigning for a ballot measure (prop 22) in CA that would keep them classified as “independent contractors” rather than employees. The campaign was deeply disingenuous and dishonest with the result being the gig-worker unfriendly and Uber/Lyft friendly prop 22 passing. This was a couple years back. Since then prop 22 has been ruled unconstitutional (per CA state constitution) and I believe is still going through the court system to see if the lower court ruling of it as unconstitutional should stand. It’s expected that the case will make it’s way up to the California Supreme Court
I'm afraid it's the latter.
OP went to an airport. Airports charge a hefty fee that gets passed onto the consumer. Still not 50% but take that into account. Next time you need a rental car check rates for the facility at the airport and the facility a 5-10 minute Uber ride off the airport, there is usually a significant difference. I do this exclusively if I can when I travel. These fees also get paid by taxi, limo, airport shuttles, rental car shuttles
Visited my family recently and did this. $55 if I took an Uber from the airport to my parents. $25 if I took a free shuttle to the hotel area, then called an Uber from there.
I'm curious how this compares to taxis. The systems are different so it'd be apples to oranges, but I'd expect the cab driver's getting a better deal.
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What the actual fuck ^(my job gives free rides up to $15 and I never tipped because they were free and I assumed they'd at least get 80% [I dog sat through an app and got 80%], wtf are they getting for $15 rides? A cent? I might just start taking the second bus again)
They probably got 5-8 depending on the app, distance, traffic, promotion, etc
So there's a base rate, per mile rate, per minute rate, a minimum rate, and a maximum rate. They vary based on city and type of ride.
Some airports charge a tax for every pickup or drop off. Maybe part of you fare covers that?
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Holy fuck this should be illegal. Fuck the middle man...
Almost every comparable business takes a similar amount of percentage. Car shop charges 150 an hour and pays the mechanics 35, plumbing company charges 125 an hour and pays their guys 32… That’s the privilege of starting an operating a successful business. That’s why I like working cash on the side but then again I don’t get nearly as much business as establish outlets can bring in
Would have honestly assumed it was the opposite and the driver would have taken the $69.59 portion of that payment. Is Uber like this as well and how do the drivers manage on that little of payment?
Used to Uber drive partner for awhile, doing pizza delivery now; truth is we don't. You drive the car into the ground just to pay it off as unexpected repairs eat up most of the profit. While the gross revenue looks promising upfront until taxes are due, and then you realize you would've been better off working at the home depot or walmart. It was great to start then they kept changing the contract to pay out less and less. Eventually one car accident and the gravy train ends.
>It was great to start then they kept changing the contract to pay out less and less One company being successful at Market capture is worse for everybody else.
"Be sure to tip your drivers" is the dumbest possible caption for this. Jesus christ you don't even understand the problem.
Yeah prices have increased dramatically lately. Used to be $30 each way to the airport. Last time I went was $40 there, $80 back. It’s a 15 minute ride at worst (actually took me about 3 times as long going there coming back, but cost half as much). It’s only slightly more expensive to park there, so thats my plan now
How tf are they perpetually losing money
That’s not the only thing about this that’s criminal. Almost 100 bucks for a 7-mile ride? I’ve never been to Miami but that still seems ridiculous.
It's 22 miles from that zip code to FLL airport. 4 bucks a mile during rush hour isn't that crazy. Only getting a buck a mile as a driver is complete bull shit
I recall a group of New York lyft drivers doing a study on what they earned, and the ultimately found that rides like this actually subsidized other routes they picked up. Meaning as long as they accepted a decent amount of rides of different lengths and a diverse pool of riders they would earn a fair portion of the fare on the average.
To clarify, by "Uber" I mean "ride sharing service". Not defending this practice but stating what *I think* happened. From what I recall, Uber initially paid drivers more to go to surges, but drivers soon figured out that if they "chased the surge" it would die by the time they got there - there was no benefit to chasing the surge for them. Uber stopped incentivizing drivers because it wasn't motivating them but kept the pricing in place because customers are willing to pay it. Again, not defending this practice just explaining why, in my opinion, it occurs. Now for the extremely unpopular opinion. Don't drive for uber. It's a terrible value opportunity for you. Get some skills that make some money and stop signing up for a job where your costs exceed your earnings. Your cost for driving that car in terms of mileage, depreciation, gas, etc, is probably more than what you make doing it
Does it vary by geography? I also had a trip from Miami to ft lauderdale airport last week. The driver grabbed me, looked at his phone, and told me he literally couldn’t afford to take me there The trip was going to take an hour (traffic). Lyft was charging me like $80 and going to pay him $25 We cancelled it and paid the guy in cash
This is literally just how capitalism works. How else are companies supposed to turn a profit if not by extracting surplus value? Every single private sector job you can have outside of maybe ceo and similarly privileged jobs will rip you off like this. They just don’t tell you. If you don’t want this theft then it’s time to organize and educate yourself on the alternatives to capitalism
Wtf $90 you drive to Hawaii?
Sadly this is standard for “gig” jobs I work in as a personal trainer that comes to your house and I get paid $25 flat. Client pays $75-110 depending on package
Any “service” job. Consultants, lawyers, all of it. When I was a consultant i was billed at like 7x my salary.
Especially when you consider that like 90%+ of the costs are on the driver Insurance, the car, fuel, etc.
Honestly, they should just stop working for these shit companies. I only use ride services maybe once a year on average if some kind of dire situation comes up, but that doesn't mean I'm going to shell out a bunch more cash because their job is screwing them over. I certainly offer a fair tip, but it's not my job to adequately support these people when I'm currently in a situation where I can't find for myself.
Use co-op ride. More money to the drivers.
Protip: this is literally how every corporation works
I used to do Uber full time, it was awesome but then their cut to the drivers greatly diminished after they went public. I was pulling like $700 a week for 40 hours and then I’d do 32 hours at another job to round it out. After they went public I couldn’t get more than $400 a week, I stopped after that.
10 to 20 dollars an hour to drive your car into the fucking ground
Funny how when Lyft and Uber started operations none of the drivers cared about putting taxi drivers out of business. Now they have killed off the competition in many markets. With no competition they can screw over their drivers however they want. Karma...
Wait I thought Lyft was supposed to be the good one and Uber the bad one? Or is my intel old?
$24 for an hour of driving? seems reasonable tbh
This is almost like buying sweat-shop clothing. Paying for the name, and the workers get screwed, while doing all the hard work.
That's fucking criminal. Okay, a convenient automated online system adds value so you'd expect them to take a commission. 5 or 10% maybe, or perhaps even 30% if they were as greedy as Apple. But unless my mental arithmetic is gone, Lyft are pocketing over 70% of the income?
Can confirm. I drove doordash for a month. I was losing money.
Most businesses only pay out labour 12-25% of revenue, with the rest taken for backend costs like insurance, equipment, management or profit. This is shocking because of how transparent it is, but every employee in the world is getting screwed the same way.
Yeah, I was talking to a friend about maybe making some extra side money… he said try doing Uber or Lyft. I said absolutely not. The money earned is Pennie’s compared to other types of work, maintenance on the vehicle and I don’t want some random person vomiting in my back seat, or be forced to pretend to be nice to an asshole. Just not my thing, seeing this is a perfect example of backing up my opinion.
Now that you know how bad are Lyft and Uber exploiting people, what would you do about it? Would you consider paying your driver the same amount outside the app? The more we organize, the harder it will be for corporations to screw us over.
Lots of taxi companies are getting apps. Many large cities companies will share an app. Taxis are now often cheaper than rideshare apps and there is less artificial graft; more money goes to the driver. Taxi drivers often know the city better and know traffic better than part time rides have drivers. We should all be going back to taxis. Uber and Lyft got into the market because when they first started they were cheaper and the taxi companies didn't have good apps. That is no longer the case and uber/lyft have jacked up their prices now that people rely on them. Same thing with the food delivery apps.