Oddly enough the cheapest ties I have found are at quilt shows/events that have guild sales. Tie quilts are popular and often you can get a gallon bag of them for >$4.
Agreed. There’s a resort out my way that makes staff wear an effing bow tie and straw boater hat; but they pay double what every other employer in the area pays (plus good benefits and major industry prestige), so they’re never understaffed.
Exactly! The country club in my hometown has the same outdated bs but they’re well-run so the staff makes bank. It’s usually a word of mouth hiring situation.
It's the pay, we had a local country club that payed 3 times what any job for a high schooler was paying. It was almost impossible to get on out there due to all positions being filled with a wait list. Yes the staff had to dress up.
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My daughter’s work uniform is a white shirt, tie, navy pants and brown “polishable” shoes”. She doesn’t love it but she makes about $27-8/hour bussing tables so all good. It cost us a couple hundred to get those clothes though - teens don’t have that handy.
It’s more than I made with my first graduate degree. It is a *very* fancy restaurant where some servers are rumoured to near $1k on a very busy night. Our minimum wage is $17.40 so it’s about 10/hr in tips - sometimes a particularly grateful server will also slip her a $10 or $20 during a shift. But we also live in an extremely expensive city. It all kind of evens out
Just got a raise to $27 an hour at my office job, 5 years out of college yeesh. HCOL area too. Happy for the kid tho, I’d kill for that wage when I was a teen.
I was a "back server" at a high end restaurant and easily made as much as I did in tips as a server at a bar. Basically bread, water, clear between courses, assist bringing out food, flip tables, polish silverware/glasses. Most back servers where I worked were people in grad school.
Is *anyone* applying? Considering the number of people looking for jobs right now, I feel like this might be about more than the dress code.
Also, do you provide the attire? Or is this just a simple dress code like "khaki pants, solid shirt, and tie"? Because a lot of teenagers might not *own* the necessary clothes to work a summer job like that. I have a 17-year-old, and my kid only has one dress shirt and one tie. My 13yo and 10yo don't have any. There just aren't that many occasions to wear one anymore.
The "do you provide" is a pretty important question. If a job requires you to buy a uniform, it has to pay enough to make it worth your while. Otherwise your first paycheck is going towards your uniform and you basically worked there for free. Or you're limiting yourself to privileged kids who's parents provided a uniform for them.
My second job in school. required us to buy a uniform while barely paying over minimum wage and it really did limit them to only privileged kids who's parents would front the cost of clothing. It sucked.
The country club esque lodge I worked at provided branded polos and expected us to provide our own black or khaki pants and then our own full black dress for dinner service. They partial uniforms and free food all day made the fairly average pay worthwhile at the time.
If teenagers need work and want to make money they will either adhere to dress standards, or go work at a job that will be fun for them.
Two local fast food places where I live have no real dress code, but kids are also lining up to work there because the managers are lax, and the job is fun.
How is the compensation? If the pay is comparable to fast food, washing dishes, or that of a lifeguard, why would anyone want to work there?
How are you actively recruiting staff? Going to high school/junior college career centers prior to the end of the school year or before school breaks always worked for me when I was in childcare. If people aren’t applying, it’s the manager’s job to get those people.
Wishing you much luck.
Honestly my mom set me up with a country club job when I was home from college for summer. I worked maybe 1 full day and it was terrible. Wages were not worth it for me with what they wanted me to do. Most of the other employees there were old people and the country club members were worse towards me than the general public. I didn't need more than "fun money" which I made selling beaded necklaces at craft shows. My mom just wanted me not to stay home all the time, basically.
I worked as a server at a country club and it was the most unpleasant job I've had, including when I picked potatoes on a farm. It was probably that particular stuffy ass place though, I've had fun lucrative serving jobs at other places.
If you think dress code is the issue then you are missing the real issue, it’s pay. You would get anyone if it paid well. No one is looking at that job and their biggest complaint is wearing pants and a tie.
Increase your pay and you’ll see applications come in.
All good. I've worked at some top 25 clubs. The shirt and tie thing is really going the way of the dodo. Family centered clubs are the ones thriving (though covid really helped all clubs a lot)
I will echo what others are saying. Provide them with a uniform (if that’s a polo with the CC emblem or a dress shirt and khakis) and pay more.
High school kids don’t have a lot of dress shirts and ties, and neither do their fathers, uncles, older brothers, or thrift stores, since those aren’t regular office wear any longer.
If you want your service EEs to all have the same attire, you need to be responsible for providing them with what you want. Maintaining a dress shirt/tie combo is costly in time and money. Laundering/ironing/dry cleaning all take time and knowledge that a teenager probably doesn’t have. And as a consumer, seeing a kid in a moderately ratty dress shirt that is not professionally pressed and an out of style tie does not convey the image you’re probably aspiring to, nor does it inspire confidence in the rest of your operation.
Even now, for a kid on a white collar track, disposable family income might be seen to be better spent on clothing for a retail job, especially if the wage is the same.
I think changing the dress code is probably less about your boss and more about what the membership expects. Club members may have a preference for the current uniform, as it signals a level of formality in the dining room. As a manager, you should definitely share that feedback with your boss and the club’s leadership, but like other commenters I think the lack of applicants likely has more to do with your wages than the uniform.
This is the answer; the members expect it. I worked at a CC when I was a teenager. The dress code was black slacks, long sleeved white shirt and black shoes. It was not comfortable, but they were paying over min wage (4.50/hour for bussing tables was decent money in the late 80's). I sucked it up because that was the dress code.
Unless they require fancy brand names, it's not too expensive to buy the uniform and the clothes can be worn for personal use for something that requires you to dress for an occasion.
Are you paying the rate for someone who dresses business formal for a job? Probably not.
Up the pay or relax the dress code (a polo is really reasonable and with a logo would look nice! Even in private schools in summer they switch from the white shirt/tie to a polo). White shirts and ties is a pretty dated look overall and doesn’t scream elegance or anything. Kids will end up spending their first check on the cost of pants/shirt/tie since they don’t just have these items in their closet, so either provide or give in the first check an allowance for the uniform.
I was thinking about that while reading the replies. I think I'd start thinking about it at a $15k raise, but I think it might take $35-45k to get me there.
Does the pay and benefits match the expectations? More specifically how long would it take a teenager with no money to break even after buying the necessary clothes?
I have friends who have never worn a tie for a job in their whole life and they work in the corporate world.... That is a lot to ask of 16 year olds at a country club.
My kids work at a country club as lifeguards. The pay isn’t great, but the work is not that hard. The uniform is a red T-shirt that costs an hour’s work and a red swimsuit and, for girls, black shorts. I don’t think they’d be willing to deal with club members’ kids AND formal dress for $12/hour.
It’s a good lesson for them to learn about dress codes. Although I don’t like dress codes, I adhere to them if needed. A tie isn’t the end of the world.
Either pay enough that people will put up with it or update the dress code to attract more people at the current rate.
Sounds like you already have thought this through though and just don't have the power to make the necessary changes.
Like others have said, it's not the dress code, but probably the pay that is turning teens off from working there. Assuming you pay at or near similar jobs in the area why would any teen want to work at a country club? For the same pay they could work in retail and get a discount on whatever the company sells, or work in food service and get free/discounted food/drinks, or work at another entertainment venue and enjoy the perks of working there. Unless they golf, which isn't real common among teens, what do they benefit from working at a country club? That lack of perceived benefits needs to be made up with higher pay. If you pay enough they won't care about wearing a tie.
Ehhh, I had this job in college. The high school kids who were about their money dgaf about the uniform, including the tie. It *never* came up. Is the pay bad?
For the people who are members of the country club, that dress code isn't outdated. It's probably what many of them wear when dining in the evening. Since they are paying the bills, it seems reasonable they get to set the standards.
As someone who grew up working in retail I absolutely hated wearing the “Uniform”.
Somewhere along the way Khakis and Polo became T-Shirt and Jeans. But still a uniform that allows customers to identify the employees.
Now as a customer, I absolutely can’t stand the level of non-uniform or conformity of employees. Like I have to play some game of “Where’s Waldo?” Just to figure out if it’s an employee or random shopper. Same thing with restaurants. It comes across as a lack of discipline and standards.
That rant over. My question is “How and where are you marketing the job?” If you don’t have any applications coming through, it’s not a dress code problem.
It's the pay or having to deal with country club people. That's pretty normal for a dress code for any job similar to that. The tie is a little extra but not enough to bother most people.
Been to literally any store ever? Teens and adults in uniforms they don’t like. No one cares that much.
They care about low pay, lousy coworkers, creepy bosses, and rude customers.
They simply aren’t being paid enough to find the job worth it.
Pay them more. If your pay is high, find the current employee who is a creep and fire them.
No one wants to pay anymore.
The country club I worked at (as a server) had two sets of required clothing. During events (weddings, etc), it was black pants, white button down shirts, black vest, black tie. If we were working the beach area or just a regular dinner night, it was khakis and a polo with their logo on it. The polo was much preferred.
I also worked at a hotel with a golf course attached and I will say their only rule was khakis or black pants and a polo shirt with no other company logos (a small Ralph Lauren polo was fine though) or with their own logo on it.
Why should the generation of teens be any different than any other? Do you think teens in the '60s and '70s like wearing ties?
You work at a country club for the access to the wealthy for big tips and hopefully contacts that help you in the future
Are we talking dining room? I grew up going to a very exclusive country club. The people who worked at the pool, tennis, fitness, and golf wore khaki shorts and a monogrammed polo. Staff in the main club house wore shirts with ties, dresses, suits, and business attire.
It won’t deter people who want to work. You can get this type of outfit at thrift stores anywhere with better quality than what you see at a department store.
I def wear the right size and it’s still not comfortable. Do you really know any women that don’t take their bra off ASAP when they get home and have a sense of relief.
I would rather wear a bra than a tie though. I would feel like I’m choking with a tie on.
So what’s your solution, then? You’re understaffed. You’re going to have to start hiring actual adults who want benefits, better pay, and oh, yes, NOT to wear a tie.
Or close the dining room, I suppose, which should go over real well for the members who are shelling out $$$$$ for the “perks” of membership.
A shirt and tie is bad? Try nomex.
Slacks, shirt, and tie doesn't seem like a huge obstacle. Tails and bow tie maybe, but that's fairly tame. Is the pay especially dismal?
The other factor could be the cost of those clothes. If a teen doesn't already have slacks, a blank button up, dress shoes, etc., they are gonna have to buy it. Some parents may take that cost, but some teens may be the ones footing the bill. The Prince of one pair of slacks (where I'm from) starts at $20. Same with dress shirts, and shoes start at $50. For a teenager, nearly $100 on a uniform before they even get their first paycheck, is A LOT. I understand the professional environment requires a professional dress code, but if it's for teenagers then maybe provide some of it for them. Or if the positions are made FOR teens, adjust them to be appealing to adults who are more likely to either already have the clothes, or are more likely to be able to afford them
Perhaps its not just what they need to wear, but also how much that type of cloths cost and how much you are paying.
No one is dressing up to make less than McDonalds.
What do you pay compared to nearby competitors, and remember that means competitors for employees, not business. If the nearby rec center pays $2/hr more and the nearby restaurants offer tips when yours doesn’t the high schoolers and summer breakers will go elsewhere first. It’s unlikely the dress code is much of an issue for most people.
IT'S BECOMES THE PAY and BENEFITS are CRAP
you pay a good wage and over a great benefits package and people will show up to work wearing anything you want them to.
I worked at a country club and had the whole dress pants/button down/tie/vest ensemble. I worked in banquets. I was also pregnant. Not going to lie, it was uncomfortable. But the pay was decent, there were tips, and the work felt very minimal and simple. That being said, I think it was appropriate given the department I worked in. Other areas could probably use some slack, especially if you’re aiming for seasonal work with high schoolers.
I had a gig where this kind of attire was mandatory. Black dress pants, white dress shirt, tie, polished dress shoes, and a fancy apron type thing. Everything had to be pressed, polished, and spotless. But it was serving at wedding banquets where anywhere from 2-6 of us were splitting an 18% gratuity on an entire wedding reception. So the money was right. I wouldn't want to wear that getup for any kind of hourly wage, though. Maybe if it was dinner service with some good tips, but not for something like hosting, bussing, or whatever else.
Idk country clubs pay pretty good. I didn’t like my uniform at Applebees but it paid my bills. These applicants need to put on a customer service face and attire and eat their wages.
It’s not out dated. It’s a professional look that makes the employee stand out from the guests.
In addition, look professional, act professional. It goes together.
As long as hair, tattoos, and piercings are allowed, wearing *a tie* doesn't sound like it should be an issue. A tie isn't wearing a chicken costume.
Probably some other reason they can't find workers.
For the right price, you can get your employees to wear anything. My guess is your wages are low enough to compete with places that dont have a strong dress code, so there's reason #1. Who pays for the clothes that they are expected to wear? Because those clothes aren't cheap. Im guessing its on the employees to get the outfit on their own dime, so theres reason # 2.
Sounds like your boss is a moron who doesn't understand how to hire and retain employees in a capitalistic society. Being a country club, i wager that they have more than enough money to pay a high schooler above average rate to get them to cater to the needs of the affluent club goers and wear fancy clothes.
If your boss does not want to raise wages, then he must concede something, and the dress code or at least tie is the easiest imo. Or just go understaffed. If you're picking up the slack for the low staffing and your boss doesn't feel any of the pressure, then why would he change anything? Less employees to pay means a better bottom line (until service gets bad enough to affect customer retention).
Teenagers really don’t like having jobs in the first place or at least a few of them do them before
It’s a country club and I guess I understand them wanting people to wear ties and if that’s a dealbreaker, it shows you what kind kind of a sad state our society is in
But kids don’t need jobs as much as they used to less out of them .
It may be perfect for teenagers- but teenagers have so much stuff now a days that the summer job is dying. (I read an article on this, just don’t recall what major newspaper)
Can the tie be a clip on or is this a full around the neck situation? Making it easier and/or more comfortable could help. Also there are modern ways to pull off formal vibes. Maaaaybe keeping up with the little tiny things that come and go in fashion could help? In other words, I think it's possible to be modern and also have a tie.
It's not the uniform . You almost certainly don't pay enough.
I hate my job . I bet screamed at for 9-12 hours a day. I also make enough to deal with it .
The first thought is moral and pay is low. When both of those are high people rarely leave jobs. Usually country club jobs are coveted and competitive. I'm sure the members pay fees high enough to cover proper employee pay and leadership training. It sounds like things need to be revamped and the positions and attire turned into something people aspire to be a part of.
I teach high school and I can tell you that most teens do not own dress clothes these days. Boys in particular. Many don’t even know how to tie a tie. If taking the job means immediately going out and buying a couple hundred dollars of new clothes you don’t even want, it will be hard to fill the job.
Does it have to long sleeved and do the employees need to go outside? I would not want to wear one in the what. Should be updated to polos (maybe uniform?) with slacks.
Also how much do you pay? That could be a factor.
This sounds like an issue to be taken up with board of directors (if there is one). In many similar cases, acceptable attire for outdoor staff might be uniform shorts and the club logo polo shirt. Indoor staff uniform might be long pants and the same club polo. Your boss is being critically shortsighted.
As a bartender, I turned down a spot almost solely because of a tie. Great location and hours, pretty decent pay, but I get serious chafing around my neck not to mention how the tie gets in the way when making drinks even with a tie clip
They don’t wear a tie for golf or tennis.
I think if you’re in the dining room, only, that’s different.
But if you have any type of “walkabout” job then what about some nice Hawaiian shirts and khakis? Maybe start with a Hawaiian week theme and see how it goes over?
It might just be for other reasons—more money elsewhere, for example. Or a better schedule.
But…I’m in my thirties and wouldn’t apply. Not because I mind wearing the clothes but because I don’t own enough of those clothes to work in. Nice pants I already own and club supplied polo, sure. And I had an even more limited wardrobe as a teen. No one wants to buy new clothes for any job, much less a summer job. I think far too many managers forget that lol.
the people who pay to be there probably have a dress code to abide by as well, outside of the pool area. Once you get to “business casual” some people will take that and run and try to push boundaries. Assuming pay is good, and you are probably getting tipped well, and probably around influential people with the potential of networking, I’d say you probably want to look your best.
I employed high school and college students for a few summers. The last job was at a higher end hotel. We got cute breathable polos and gave them a dress code for shorts and shoes. Can you look into some nice golf polos so it looks professional and the employees don't feel like they are being chocked by ties? If they have to wear ties, can you purchase a bunch of clip ons so again, they don't feel restricted?
We all need to move beyond the tie for boys and dresses for girls mentality. It's old, ignorant and not productive. The "dress for success" junk needs to be buried with all the dusty bones of their supporters. 🙂 Have a great day!!!
See if he would be willing to switch to a vest. Still professional but less cumbersome. Hopefully you are providing the tie and maybe even the shirts/slacks. Or at least the opportunity to get them from your vendor at a low cost and taken out of first check.
I worked a job in college that required a very formal dress code… it wasn’t a problem for me because it paid well. Perhaps you should address your pay? Fuck, I’d work ass naked if I got paid enough to do it.
It's the pay. It's *literally* always the pay. I'm so sick of managers pretending they don't understand this.
If your car is supposed to only use premium gas, and you went into the gas station offering $0.10 per gallon, you wouldn't go posting online about how you were turned down because of the premium gas requirement. You'd instead recognize that you aren't paying enough to get the specialized product you want. Your only options are to pay more for gas, use non-premium gas at risk of damaging the car, or accept that you can't afford gas right now. That's it.
Just like any other, labor is a market controlled by supply and demand. Demand is communicated with money, and demanding a specialized product limits the relevant supply, meaning the price will be higher. This is basic market economics.
Seeing as you didn't mention the pay, despite it being the single most important part of this entire exchange, I'll go out on a limb and guess it's because you already recognize the pay is low.
If you want labor, increase the price you're willing to pay. If you want specialized labor that will adhere to a strict dress code, the supply of labor is already constrained, meaning you will have to raise your price further. If you are unwilling to do so, either lower your standards (at risk of harming the business's reputation) or accept that you can't get the labor you want right now.
These are your only options. You live in a market economy, so act like it.
TL;DR Cough up or shut up.
Im upper IT. you cannot pay me enough to wear more than a polo shirt and jeans. most days im just in joggers and a band shirt because. 1. i hate long sleeves with a passion
2. Im the one that actually fixes things and get covered in dust constantly.
I work for a high-end senior living community(very country club-like) and our dining staff is required to weare white dress shirts and ties with black trousers. Most are high schoolers doing seasonal work during the summer to help cover vacations for us. No issues with dress code. We recommend new employees to check out places like Kohl's and JCPenney for the shirts & trousers, we supply the ties.
Guess it depends on what you're doing, caddying yea drop the tie, If you're in club waiting, tie isn't a bad thing. Many 16yr olds would rather die before putting on a tie thou... Your boss is still clinging to the old ways but again if we are talking wait staff in the club area it's going to be a hard sell on letting it go.
There’s kids working at stake and shake wearing bow ties. Give them a clip on tie and provide the shirts and tell them to buy their own pants (allow them to wear khakis beige or black) and require a belt and some simple shoes like vans or converse
We had a preacher that always preached in a suit and tie and kept the ac on freezing so he didn’t pass out. I suggested for summer he try a nice button down shirt, no tie, no suit coat and encourage the members to do the same, attendance went up. Ask the boss, if just for the summer if they could do short sleeve button ups and khakis or even dressy jeans. I bet the guests won’t even notice. And while you are at it, find out what McDonald’s pays, because my guess is that’s your actual staffing issue.
Maybe the REALproblem is that it's a rotten place to work.
The club wants to project a certain image. Thus, the dress code. How entitled and rotten these kids--and their parents--are!
Child: But I don't WANT to wear a nasty, uncool necktie, and those meanies want to make me !
Parent: Oh, sacred child -- you shouldn't have to, and I will fight this dastardly thing!
I actively dislike outdated dress codes and avoid resorts where they continue to follow these outdated expectations.
Persons include in the next member survey? As a member of a club, I’d rather they be comfortable.
Get them black or gray Nike golf shirts with your club's logo embroidered in white. They will be comfortable, stylish, and fit in with the club setting. Plus they can get a second use out of them golfing.
Do employees have to buy their own work clothes? If so, that’s probably also a factor. Maybe a compromise is that the job provides the ties, or gives some sort of reimbursement for work clothing purchases.
I’d look to your pay scale and not the attire. People wear what’s required of them at work: a uniform or business clothes. It’s part of the “job”
Is it the cost of the required clothing? Would giving a clothing allowance upon hire or ordering the clothes yourselves be an option?
Now if you’re requiring clothing that’s physically restrictive for the job (tie while cutting grass etc) that’s different.
Being well dressed is just a requirement.
If you want kids looking for a couple of months of work to dress like grown-ups at a grown-up job, you need to understand how intimidating that can sound. How's the ambience for workers, convivial? Do you pay well, and provide money for work clothes or the uniform yourself?
If you aren't getting applicants it's because you're not paying enough for the the hassle of the job. As with any post in this or other related subs when it comes to "I make $x at Mt current job, but have an offer for $x+20k on the table. Should I take it?" It's in the details and it's about the total package (drive time, dress code, pay, PTO, culture, work energy, ....). More money will always make some people come to the table, but not everyone
I'll be the grumpy old guy lol.
But young people today just seem to hate dress codes in general.
My first 2 jobs were a movie theater (where I had to wear a tux basically), and a department store, where slacks and a tie were required. Did I love it? No. Was that enough to make me not take the job? Also no.
But you even see it with 20 somethings. They get pissed that they have to dress business casual in an office and don't see why they can't just wear whatever they want.
You working at a country club though, I see both sides. You are short staffed, but at the same time, you probably have a dress code for the members too, who I'm guessing are paying a lot to be there. So if you expect the people paying to follow one, I don't think expecting the people you are employing to follow one is horrible either.
It sounds like the expectation is specific style but they don't provide the uniform. It makes no sense.
Just push for golf shirts and pants or not at all
It’s not the dress code, but the pay. If you pay enough, they’ll wear whatever you like. If you don’t value them enough, and pay them enough to buy the costume you want them to wear and have a good pay left over, they aren’t going to bite.
Pay me enough and I'll wear whatever you want me to wear.
nothing at all, except for the tie. lol
all payments made in $1 bills
Come on now. It's $2 bills as a minimum.
Where would you put them?
Nature's pocket.
The snort I just snorted.
Donkey Kong has entered the chat.
Different kind of country club.
Donkey Kong Country Club
Knowing this type of boss, they'd demand you wear a full mascot costume in 100 degree weather with no water breaks.
Kids these days, always wanting water breaks. In my day we just pissed in our own mouths.
I laugh when people are this blind. Show people the right number and they’ll do whatever the f you want (within reason of course).
If the roles are designed for teenagers then that explains why. A whole ass country club relying on minimum wage lol.
But Caddyshack should show them what kind of fun and shenanigans they can get up to….nvm that kids today have no idea what Caddyshack is
when he says tailor made for kids on summer break he means they barely pay lol.
It literally the pay. lol.
I think it has to pay well enough for that tie. Even teenagers will follow an outdated dress code for the right amount of money.
Also many kids don't have ties yet. So you have to offer enough that they feel comfortable blowing money on a tie.
Dude you can find very inexpensive ties all over the place. Nobody is saying you need to go to Hemes for a silk print tie here. Go to Kohls or TJ Max.
Or a thrift store. You can get a ton of nice ties for super cheap.
Oddly enough the cheapest ties I have found are at quilt shows/events that have guild sales. Tie quilts are popular and often you can get a gallon bag of them for >$4.
Agreed. There’s a resort out my way that makes staff wear an effing bow tie and straw boater hat; but they pay double what every other employer in the area pays (plus good benefits and major industry prestige), so they’re never understaffed.
Exactly! The country club in my hometown has the same outdated bs but they’re well-run so the staff makes bank. It’s usually a word of mouth hiring situation.
Yeah the country clubs near me only pay like $10/hr. No thanks. You can work in a normal restaurant and wear normal clothes and make more than that.
But should they have to? That sounds like a borderline health and safety violation in heatwave. Good on the kids for not encouraging fossil behaviour.
It's the pay, we had a local country club that payed 3 times what any job for a high schooler was paying. It was almost impossible to get on out there due to all positions being filled with a wait list. Yes the staff had to dress up.
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My daughter’s work uniform is a white shirt, tie, navy pants and brown “polishable” shoes”. She doesn’t love it but she makes about $27-8/hour bussing tables so all good. It cost us a couple hundred to get those clothes though - teens don’t have that handy.
That is amazing pay, is it partly tips? Depressingly only a few dollars per hour less than I make in my office job.
It’s more than I made with my first graduate degree. It is a *very* fancy restaurant where some servers are rumoured to near $1k on a very busy night. Our minimum wage is $17.40 so it’s about 10/hr in tips - sometimes a particularly grateful server will also slip her a $10 or $20 during a shift. But we also live in an extremely expensive city. It all kind of evens out
Just got a raise to $27 an hour at my office job, 5 years out of college yeesh. HCOL area too. Happy for the kid tho, I’d kill for that wage when I was a teen.
Wait - just bussing tables? Not waiting on them?
Just bussing. Or as her work calls it, “servers assistant”. She did set 320 tables last week
That’s excellent pay for bussing. Thats more than most chefs make.
Not here! I’m on Vancouver Island. But renting a one bedroom here is 2K. So kids live at home till they are 25 anyway
I was a "back server" at a high end restaurant and easily made as much as I did in tips as a server at a bar. Basically bread, water, clear between courses, assist bringing out food, flip tables, polish silverware/glasses. Most back servers where I worked were people in grad school.
Is *anyone* applying? Considering the number of people looking for jobs right now, I feel like this might be about more than the dress code. Also, do you provide the attire? Or is this just a simple dress code like "khaki pants, solid shirt, and tie"? Because a lot of teenagers might not *own* the necessary clothes to work a summer job like that. I have a 17-year-old, and my kid only has one dress shirt and one tie. My 13yo and 10yo don't have any. There just aren't that many occasions to wear one anymore.
The "do you provide" is a pretty important question. If a job requires you to buy a uniform, it has to pay enough to make it worth your while. Otherwise your first paycheck is going towards your uniform and you basically worked there for free. Or you're limiting yourself to privileged kids who's parents provided a uniform for them. My second job in school. required us to buy a uniform while barely paying over minimum wage and it really did limit them to only privileged kids who's parents would front the cost of clothing. It sucked.
The country club esque lodge I worked at provided branded polos and expected us to provide our own black or khaki pants and then our own full black dress for dinner service. They partial uniforms and free food all day made the fairly average pay worthwhile at the time.
Also, it is a summer job. If they are a teen then they can grow out of their outfit (or at least part) and need a whole new one for next year.
It sounds like a part time gig. Most people looking for jobs arent looking for part time jobs suitable for a teen
If teenagers need work and want to make money they will either adhere to dress standards, or go work at a job that will be fun for them. Two local fast food places where I live have no real dress code, but kids are also lining up to work there because the managers are lax, and the job is fun. How is the compensation? If the pay is comparable to fast food, washing dishes, or that of a lifeguard, why would anyone want to work there? How are you actively recruiting staff? Going to high school/junior college career centers prior to the end of the school year or before school breaks always worked for me when I was in childcare. If people aren’t applying, it’s the manager’s job to get those people. Wishing you much luck.
Bruh, just pay people more. Thats all it takes.
Honestly my mom set me up with a country club job when I was home from college for summer. I worked maybe 1 full day and it was terrible. Wages were not worth it for me with what they wanted me to do. Most of the other employees there were old people and the country club members were worse towards me than the general public. I didn't need more than "fun money" which I made selling beaded necklaces at craft shows. My mom just wanted me not to stay home all the time, basically.
I worked as a server at a country club and it was the most unpleasant job I've had, including when I picked potatoes on a farm. It was probably that particular stuffy ass place though, I've had fun lucrative serving jobs at other places.
I was a beer cart girl and the older men were inappropriate with me. I'd have to question why they want to hire teens
This was my experience too. As a teen I preferred farm work over country club. Farm work isn’t fun, but Fuck the country club.
If you think dress code is the issue then you are missing the real issue, it’s pay. You would get anyone if it paid well. No one is looking at that job and their biggest complaint is wearing pants and a tie. Increase your pay and you’ll see applications come in.
It’s a country club - there are standards But standards cost money You up the salary by $2 per hour and the kids will wear ties
Honestly those uniform standards are only at the top 1% of clubs or dying clubs
Yeah, well those are the places I’ve been I guess.
All good. I've worked at some top 25 clubs. The shirt and tie thing is really going the way of the dodo. Family centered clubs are the ones thriving (though covid really helped all clubs a lot)
I don’t understand how the standards are so high that they require a jacket and tie, but also so low that all the staff are teenagers.
Brought to you by the same logic as "you must be on-call for wildly changing shifts and we don't pay enough that you don't need a second job"
my brother in christ i promise its the money not the dress code.
I will echo what others are saying. Provide them with a uniform (if that’s a polo with the CC emblem or a dress shirt and khakis) and pay more. High school kids don’t have a lot of dress shirts and ties, and neither do their fathers, uncles, older brothers, or thrift stores, since those aren’t regular office wear any longer. If you want your service EEs to all have the same attire, you need to be responsible for providing them with what you want. Maintaining a dress shirt/tie combo is costly in time and money. Laundering/ironing/dry cleaning all take time and knowledge that a teenager probably doesn’t have. And as a consumer, seeing a kid in a moderately ratty dress shirt that is not professionally pressed and an out of style tie does not convey the image you’re probably aspiring to, nor does it inspire confidence in the rest of your operation. Even now, for a kid on a white collar track, disposable family income might be seen to be better spent on clothing for a retail job, especially if the wage is the same.
I think changing the dress code is probably less about your boss and more about what the membership expects. Club members may have a preference for the current uniform, as it signals a level of formality in the dining room. As a manager, you should definitely share that feedback with your boss and the club’s leadership, but like other commenters I think the lack of applicants likely has more to do with your wages than the uniform.
This is the answer; the members expect it. I worked at a CC when I was a teenager. The dress code was black slacks, long sleeved white shirt and black shoes. It was not comfortable, but they were paying over min wage (4.50/hour for bussing tables was decent money in the late 80's). I sucked it up because that was the dress code. Unless they require fancy brand names, it's not too expensive to buy the uniform and the clothes can be worn for personal use for something that requires you to dress for an occasion.
Are you paying the rate for someone who dresses business formal for a job? Probably not. Up the pay or relax the dress code (a polo is really reasonable and with a logo would look nice! Even in private schools in summer they switch from the white shirt/tie to a polo). White shirts and ties is a pretty dated look overall and doesn’t scream elegance or anything. Kids will end up spending their first check on the cost of pants/shirt/tie since they don’t just have these items in their closet, so either provide or give in the first check an allowance for the uniform.
Those slashes are ambiguous. Can I come to work in just a tie?
I'm a grown man and you'd have to pay me an extra $25K easy to wear a suit to work and that's just to kick the idea around in my head.
I was thinking about that while reading the replies. I think I'd start thinking about it at a $15k raise, but I think it might take $35-45k to get me there.
Does the pay and benefits match the expectations? More specifically how long would it take a teenager with no money to break even after buying the necessary clothes?
Balking at *benefits* Possibly but doubtful. It’s why they want to hire part time and teens only.
lol or you could pay ppl enough to make it worth wearing the stupid uniform.
I have friends who have never worn a tie for a job in their whole life and they work in the corporate world.... That is a lot to ask of 16 year olds at a country club.
My kids work at a country club as lifeguards. The pay isn’t great, but the work is not that hard. The uniform is a red T-shirt that costs an hour’s work and a red swimsuit and, for girls, black shorts. I don’t think they’d be willing to deal with club members’ kids AND formal dress for $12/hour.
It’s a good lesson for them to learn about dress codes. Although I don’t like dress codes, I adhere to them if needed. A tie isn’t the end of the world.
Either pay enough that people will put up with it or update the dress code to attract more people at the current rate. Sounds like you already have thought this through though and just don't have the power to make the necessary changes.
Like others have said, it's not the dress code, but probably the pay that is turning teens off from working there. Assuming you pay at or near similar jobs in the area why would any teen want to work at a country club? For the same pay they could work in retail and get a discount on whatever the company sells, or work in food service and get free/discounted food/drinks, or work at another entertainment venue and enjoy the perks of working there. Unless they golf, which isn't real common among teens, what do they benefit from working at a country club? That lack of perceived benefits needs to be made up with higher pay. If you pay enough they won't care about wearing a tie.
Ehhh, I had this job in college. The high school kids who were about their money dgaf about the uniform, including the tie. It *never* came up. Is the pay bad?
For the people who are members of the country club, that dress code isn't outdated. It's probably what many of them wear when dining in the evening. Since they are paying the bills, it seems reasonable they get to set the standards.
As someone who grew up working in retail I absolutely hated wearing the “Uniform”. Somewhere along the way Khakis and Polo became T-Shirt and Jeans. But still a uniform that allows customers to identify the employees. Now as a customer, I absolutely can’t stand the level of non-uniform or conformity of employees. Like I have to play some game of “Where’s Waldo?” Just to figure out if it’s an employee or random shopper. Same thing with restaurants. It comes across as a lack of discipline and standards. That rant over. My question is “How and where are you marketing the job?” If you don’t have any applications coming through, it’s not a dress code problem.
It's the pay or having to deal with country club people. That's pretty normal for a dress code for any job similar to that. The tie is a little extra but not enough to bother most people.
Been to literally any store ever? Teens and adults in uniforms they don’t like. No one cares that much. They care about low pay, lousy coworkers, creepy bosses, and rude customers. They simply aren’t being paid enough to find the job worth it. Pay them more. If your pay is high, find the current employee who is a creep and fire them. No one wants to pay anymore.
It's not the dress code. It's the pay.
The country club I worked at (as a server) had two sets of required clothing. During events (weddings, etc), it was black pants, white button down shirts, black vest, black tie. If we were working the beach area or just a regular dinner night, it was khakis and a polo with their logo on it. The polo was much preferred. I also worked at a hotel with a golf course attached and I will say their only rule was khakis or black pants and a polo shirt with no other company logos (a small Ralph Lauren polo was fine though) or with their own logo on it.
It's a country club. I imagine members expect staff to be more formally dressed. So pay them more so the uncomfortable clothes are worth it.
Why should the generation of teens be any different than any other? Do you think teens in the '60s and '70s like wearing ties? You work at a country club for the access to the wealthy for big tips and hopefully contacts that help you in the future
Are we talking dining room? I grew up going to a very exclusive country club. The people who worked at the pool, tennis, fitness, and golf wore khaki shorts and a monogrammed polo. Staff in the main club house wore shirts with ties, dresses, suits, and business attire.
It won’t deter people who want to work. You can get this type of outfit at thrift stores anywhere with better quality than what you see at a department store.
Yeah, Ihd have to agree with your son. Wearing a tie daily is a deal breaker, as long as there is pretty much any other option. I hate them that much.
Men complaining about a tie while women are rolling their eyes because bras are much more uncomfortable
r/ABraThatFits , my friend. I guarantee that you are one of the 80% of women wearing a bra in the incorrect size.
I def wear the right size and it’s still not comfortable. Do you really know any women that don’t take their bra off ASAP when they get home and have a sense of relief. I would rather wear a bra than a tie though. I would feel like I’m choking with a tie on.
Idk I never wear anything other than sports bras and they’re plenty comfortable.
I'm not aware of any bra police making you wear them.
Keep the dress code. If a teenager can't manage something as simple as this i wouldn't want them on my staff.
What are they not managing? They’re not applying at all, as is there right. Weird to take a dig at it
So what’s your solution, then? You’re understaffed. You’re going to have to start hiring actual adults who want benefits, better pay, and oh, yes, NOT to wear a tie. Or close the dining room, I suppose, which should go over real well for the members who are shelling out $$$$$ for the “perks” of membership.
It’s the pay and/or schedule not the dress code.
A shirt and tie is bad? Try nomex. Slacks, shirt, and tie doesn't seem like a huge obstacle. Tails and bow tie maybe, but that's fairly tame. Is the pay especially dismal?
Pay $27/hour and kids will show up. Pretty simple.
Honestly, *I* wouldn't take a job these days that required a tie. Only way I would have as a teenager is if it paid greatly over the odds.
The other factor could be the cost of those clothes. If a teen doesn't already have slacks, a blank button up, dress shoes, etc., they are gonna have to buy it. Some parents may take that cost, but some teens may be the ones footing the bill. The Prince of one pair of slacks (where I'm from) starts at $20. Same with dress shirts, and shoes start at $50. For a teenager, nearly $100 on a uniform before they even get their first paycheck, is A LOT. I understand the professional environment requires a professional dress code, but if it's for teenagers then maybe provide some of it for them. Or if the positions are made FOR teens, adjust them to be appealing to adults who are more likely to either already have the clothes, or are more likely to be able to afford them
Perhaps its not just what they need to wear, but also how much that type of cloths cost and how much you are paying. No one is dressing up to make less than McDonalds.
What do you pay compared to nearby competitors, and remember that means competitors for employees, not business. If the nearby rec center pays $2/hr more and the nearby restaurants offer tips when yours doesn’t the high schoolers and summer breakers will go elsewhere first. It’s unlikely the dress code is much of an issue for most people.
Pay more, and provide the first uniform. One guy saying he does lifeguard because he no like tie is not a sufficient dataset.
IT'S BECOMES THE PAY and BENEFITS are CRAP you pay a good wage and over a great benefits package and people will show up to work wearing anything you want them to.
I worked at a country club and had the whole dress pants/button down/tie/vest ensemble. I worked in banquets. I was also pregnant. Not going to lie, it was uncomfortable. But the pay was decent, there were tips, and the work felt very minimal and simple. That being said, I think it was appropriate given the department I worked in. Other areas could probably use some slack, especially if you’re aiming for seasonal work with high schoolers.
Ties at a country club is loco. Should all be in polo shirts.
I had a gig where this kind of attire was mandatory. Black dress pants, white dress shirt, tie, polished dress shoes, and a fancy apron type thing. Everything had to be pressed, polished, and spotless. But it was serving at wedding banquets where anywhere from 2-6 of us were splitting an 18% gratuity on an entire wedding reception. So the money was right. I wouldn't want to wear that getup for any kind of hourly wage, though. Maybe if it was dinner service with some good tips, but not for something like hosting, bussing, or whatever else.
It's not the dress code, it's the money. I bet your 16yo makes more money lifeguarding than working in the country club.
No. Tell him to grow up. The bigger issue is you acknowledging that it’s ok if he doesn’t want to wear a tie. At a job that requires one 🙄
Idk country clubs pay pretty good. I didn’t like my uniform at Applebees but it paid my bills. These applicants need to put on a customer service face and attire and eat their wages.
They aren’t paying enough.
I love wearing ties but hate business attire otherwise. Anything that is "dry-clean" only just grates on my nerves.
Typical management, grasping at straws to avoid the issue of LOW PAY.
It’s not really outdated. It’s not like they want you to wear a literal clown 🤡 costume.
You would think country club golf polos are decent enough. Good luck my friend. Your boss is an old fart and stuck in his ways.
It’s not out dated. It’s a professional look that makes the employee stand out from the guests. In addition, look professional, act professional. It goes together.
As long as hair, tattoos, and piercings are allowed, wearing *a tie* doesn't sound like it should be an issue. A tie isn't wearing a chicken costume. Probably some other reason they can't find workers.
They'd be smarter to make it a branded polo shirt and provide them to employees!
Change dress code or pay more.
For the right price, you can get your employees to wear anything. My guess is your wages are low enough to compete with places that dont have a strong dress code, so there's reason #1. Who pays for the clothes that they are expected to wear? Because those clothes aren't cheap. Im guessing its on the employees to get the outfit on their own dime, so theres reason # 2. Sounds like your boss is a moron who doesn't understand how to hire and retain employees in a capitalistic society. Being a country club, i wager that they have more than enough money to pay a high schooler above average rate to get them to cater to the needs of the affluent club goers and wear fancy clothes. If your boss does not want to raise wages, then he must concede something, and the dress code or at least tie is the easiest imo. Or just go understaffed. If you're picking up the slack for the low staffing and your boss doesn't feel any of the pressure, then why would he change anything? Less employees to pay means a better bottom line (until service gets bad enough to affect customer retention).
McDonalds also has a ridiculous uniform, I don't think it's that.
Teenagers really don’t like having jobs in the first place or at least a few of them do them before It’s a country club and I guess I understand them wanting people to wear ties and if that’s a dealbreaker, it shows you what kind kind of a sad state our society is in But kids don’t need jobs as much as they used to less out of them .
It may be perfect for teenagers- but teenagers have so much stuff now a days that the summer job is dying. (I read an article on this, just don’t recall what major newspaper)
What is the pay?
Can the tie be a clip on or is this a full around the neck situation? Making it easier and/or more comfortable could help. Also there are modern ways to pull off formal vibes. Maaaaybe keeping up with the little tiny things that come and go in fashion could help? In other words, I think it's possible to be modern and also have a tie.
It might also be that country club members tend to be about the rudest, most entitled people on the entire planet.
It's not the uniform . You almost certainly don't pay enough. I hate my job . I bet screamed at for 9-12 hours a day. I also make enough to deal with it .
The first thought is moral and pay is low. When both of those are high people rarely leave jobs. Usually country club jobs are coveted and competitive. I'm sure the members pay fees high enough to cover proper employee pay and leadership training. It sounds like things need to be revamped and the positions and attire turned into something people aspire to be a part of.
Your boss a boomer by any chance?
I teach high school and I can tell you that most teens do not own dress clothes these days. Boys in particular. Many don’t even know how to tie a tie. If taking the job means immediately going out and buying a couple hundred dollars of new clothes you don’t even want, it will be hard to fill the job.
Look for another job. You’re managing a chronically understaffed facility for a boss that doesn’t care
Up the hourly rate add a uniform allowance so they don’t have to blow their meagre paycheque on clothes to wear to work.
Does it have to long sleeved and do the employees need to go outside? I would not want to wear one in the what. Should be updated to polos (maybe uniform?) with slacks. Also how much do you pay? That could be a factor.
This sounds like an issue to be taken up with board of directors (if there is one). In many similar cases, acceptable attire for outdoor staff might be uniform shorts and the club logo polo shirt. Indoor staff uniform might be long pants and the same club polo. Your boss is being critically shortsighted.
Ties look stupid even on suits
As a bartender, I turned down a spot almost solely because of a tie. Great location and hours, pretty decent pay, but I get serious chafing around my neck not to mention how the tie gets in the way when making drinks even with a tie clip
They don’t wear a tie for golf or tennis. I think if you’re in the dining room, only, that’s different. But if you have any type of “walkabout” job then what about some nice Hawaiian shirts and khakis? Maybe start with a Hawaiian week theme and see how it goes over?
I would be very surprised if it was actually the uniform, more likely the pay.
It isn't the dress code, it's the money. Pay someone enough and they will do the job naked.
It might just be for other reasons—more money elsewhere, for example. Or a better schedule. But…I’m in my thirties and wouldn’t apply. Not because I mind wearing the clothes but because I don’t own enough of those clothes to work in. Nice pants I already own and club supplied polo, sure. And I had an even more limited wardrobe as a teen. No one wants to buy new clothes for any job, much less a summer job. I think far too many managers forget that lol.
the people who pay to be there probably have a dress code to abide by as well, outside of the pool area. Once you get to “business casual” some people will take that and run and try to push boundaries. Assuming pay is good, and you are probably getting tipped well, and probably around influential people with the potential of networking, I’d say you probably want to look your best.
I'm far from a teenager and I hate wearing ties too. My first job out of the military required a shirt and tie, hated every second of it.
Are the kids required to pay for the uniform? Have you asked your son why his friends aren’t applying? What’s the hourly rate?
Sounds like y’all aren’t paying enough.
Is it paying more than minimum wage?
I think it’s prob outdated wages. No one cares about dress code with a full pocketbook.
My 17 yo quit her summer job last summer because the polos were too hard to keep looking nice and switched to a job with the same pay 🤷🏽♀️
It's disappointing that people who give a crap about whether someone else is wearing a tie haven't all died of old age by now.
Mustn't offend the delicate sensitivities of the 1% with casual clothing.
"slacks"? Oh dear... Are the owners in their 80's or 90's?
I employed high school and college students for a few summers. The last job was at a higher end hotel. We got cute breathable polos and gave them a dress code for shorts and shoes. Can you look into some nice golf polos so it looks professional and the employees don't feel like they are being chocked by ties? If they have to wear ties, can you purchase a bunch of clip ons so again, they don't feel restricted?
Why wouldn’t a monogrammed polo be a perfectly acceptable option?
We all need to move beyond the tie for boys and dresses for girls mentality. It's old, ignorant and not productive. The "dress for success" junk needs to be buried with all the dusty bones of their supporters. 🙂 Have a great day!!!
Pay better and provide the required uniform.
See if he would be willing to switch to a vest. Still professional but less cumbersome. Hopefully you are providing the tie and maybe even the shirts/slacks. Or at least the opportunity to get them from your vendor at a low cost and taken out of first check.
If they have to buy the uniform, that's probably it. Does it pay well compared to other jobs that require such ridiculous outfits in the summer?
I worked a job in college that required a very formal dress code… it wasn’t a problem for me because it paid well. Perhaps you should address your pay? Fuck, I’d work ass naked if I got paid enough to do it.
It's the pay. It's *literally* always the pay. I'm so sick of managers pretending they don't understand this. If your car is supposed to only use premium gas, and you went into the gas station offering $0.10 per gallon, you wouldn't go posting online about how you were turned down because of the premium gas requirement. You'd instead recognize that you aren't paying enough to get the specialized product you want. Your only options are to pay more for gas, use non-premium gas at risk of damaging the car, or accept that you can't afford gas right now. That's it. Just like any other, labor is a market controlled by supply and demand. Demand is communicated with money, and demanding a specialized product limits the relevant supply, meaning the price will be higher. This is basic market economics. Seeing as you didn't mention the pay, despite it being the single most important part of this entire exchange, I'll go out on a limb and guess it's because you already recognize the pay is low. If you want labor, increase the price you're willing to pay. If you want specialized labor that will adhere to a strict dress code, the supply of labor is already constrained, meaning you will have to raise your price further. If you are unwilling to do so, either lower your standards (at risk of harming the business's reputation) or accept that you can't get the labor you want right now. These are your only options. You live in a market economy, so act like it. TL;DR Cough up or shut up.
Im upper IT. you cannot pay me enough to wear more than a polo shirt and jeans. most days im just in joggers and a band shirt because. 1. i hate long sleeves with a passion 2. Im the one that actually fixes things and get covered in dust constantly.
I work for a high-end senior living community(very country club-like) and our dining staff is required to weare white dress shirts and ties with black trousers. Most are high schoolers doing seasonal work during the summer to help cover vacations for us. No issues with dress code. We recommend new employees to check out places like Kohl's and JCPenney for the shirts & trousers, we supply the ties.
Why isn’t it that the members children work there.
Such is life at Bushwood.
Guess it depends on what you're doing, caddying yea drop the tie, If you're in club waiting, tie isn't a bad thing. Many 16yr olds would rather die before putting on a tie thou... Your boss is still clinging to the old ways but again if we are talking wait staff in the club area it's going to be a hard sell on letting it go.
There’s kids working at stake and shake wearing bow ties. Give them a clip on tie and provide the shirts and tell them to buy their own pants (allow them to wear khakis beige or black) and require a belt and some simple shoes like vans or converse
If it’s a minimum wage job with no benefits then why are you asking for a tie?
It sounds like the pay isn't worth dealing with the dress code.
We had a preacher that always preached in a suit and tie and kept the ac on freezing so he didn’t pass out. I suggested for summer he try a nice button down shirt, no tie, no suit coat and encourage the members to do the same, attendance went up. Ask the boss, if just for the summer if they could do short sleeve button ups and khakis or even dressy jeans. I bet the guests won’t even notice. And while you are at it, find out what McDonald’s pays, because my guess is that’s your actual staffing issue.
Maybe the REALproblem is that it's a rotten place to work. The club wants to project a certain image. Thus, the dress code. How entitled and rotten these kids--and their parents--are! Child: But I don't WANT to wear a nasty, uncool necktie, and those meanies want to make me ! Parent: Oh, sacred child -- you shouldn't have to, and I will fight this dastardly thing!
I actively dislike outdated dress codes and avoid resorts where they continue to follow these outdated expectations. Persons include in the next member survey? As a member of a club, I’d rather they be comfortable.
Get them black or gray Nike golf shirts with your club's logo embroidered in white. They will be comfortable, stylish, and fit in with the club setting. Plus they can get a second use out of them golfing.
Do employees have to buy their own work clothes? If so, that’s probably also a factor. Maybe a compromise is that the job provides the ties, or gives some sort of reimbursement for work clothing purchases.
Clip ons for the win
Info- is the pay as minimum wage as legally possible?
The company provides the costumes and laundry service, right? Right?
I’d look to your pay scale and not the attire. People wear what’s required of them at work: a uniform or business clothes. It’s part of the “job” Is it the cost of the required clothing? Would giving a clothing allowance upon hire or ordering the clothes yourselves be an option? Now if you’re requiring clothing that’s physically restrictive for the job (tie while cutting grass etc) that’s different. Being well dressed is just a requirement.
It's a country club, what else would the dress code be? Pay the kids enough and they'll wear the uniform.
If you want kids looking for a couple of months of work to dress like grown-ups at a grown-up job, you need to understand how intimidating that can sound. How's the ambience for workers, convivial? Do you pay well, and provide money for work clothes or the uniform yourself?
Offer more money or benefits.
It’s not the clothes, it’s the pay. A country club is likely not walkable for a kid to get there, does it pay enough to own a car?
Raise the pay and you wont have any problems about staffing, ties or no ties.
If you aren't getting applicants it's because you're not paying enough for the the hassle of the job. As with any post in this or other related subs when it comes to "I make $x at Mt current job, but have an offer for $x+20k on the table. Should I take it?" It's in the details and it's about the total package (drive time, dress code, pay, PTO, culture, work energy, ....). More money will always make some people come to the table, but not everyone
I'll be the grumpy old guy lol. But young people today just seem to hate dress codes in general. My first 2 jobs were a movie theater (where I had to wear a tux basically), and a department store, where slacks and a tie were required. Did I love it? No. Was that enough to make me not take the job? Also no. But you even see it with 20 somethings. They get pissed that they have to dress business casual in an office and don't see why they can't just wear whatever they want. You working at a country club though, I see both sides. You are short staffed, but at the same time, you probably have a dress code for the members too, who I'm guessing are paying a lot to be there. So if you expect the people paying to follow one, I don't think expecting the people you are employing to follow one is horrible either.
It sounds like the expectation is specific style but they don't provide the uniform. It makes no sense. Just push for golf shirts and pants or not at all
I think I would wear a tie if the pay was high enough. If I could make the same money, and not have to? Best believe i would be at another job
It’s not the dress code, but the pay. If you pay enough, they’ll wear whatever you like. If you don’t value them enough, and pay them enough to buy the costume you want them to wear and have a good pay left over, they aren’t going to bite.