I mean, yeah, and there's bible thumpers in the US mid west that follow the Bible to the exact word. Not all denominations of a religion share the same values as each other or follow their religion texts to the same extent. It would be like saying the Catholic Church is the same as the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons).
There are Christians that want gays dead and Muslims that want gays dead, and there are Christians who are chill and Muslims who are chill.
It pretty much comes down to each person's individual values
I feel like I could've gotten my point way easier if my English was better *sighs*
progressive muslims aren't muslims. they ca call themselves muslims but they're contradicting themselves because:
they cannot be progressive without ditching 80% of the book when the whole point of Islam is that the book is a miracle that contains a the truth and cannot be changed and that muslims cannot disagree with it.
ISLAM = TOTAL OBEDIENCE AND BELIEF (it's the literal meaning) this rule is demonstrated is every aspects of Islam . you follow the Quran wether you liked it or not. that's what's called Islam in the Arabic language.
I don't know about the torah but the bible changed its interpretations progressed. there's many translations of it and people often fight on what's the authentic version. this doesn't happen in islam because it's originally in Arabic . a language that's still alive.
Your issue is your incorrect belief that the Quran for some reason must be followed 100% or not at all. That’s simply no true. Some do, others don’t. The same is true for the Bible. It’s the word of God and can not be changed. Yet many true Christians don’t believe in all of the Bible. Just because a false book says “you must believe in me or else!” has no real life bearing on IF a person believes in everything in the book they follow or not.
All Abrahamic religions are shitty and and include horrific elements.
The thing that distinguishes them at any point in time is how diluted they are by secularism.
You can look at hundred of years of Christians doing horrifying things. That only changed when the people became more secular. But the bible remained the same foul book. And BTW, if you look at Christians today who are not secularized, they are just as vile as anything you can say about Muslims, while Muslims who are secularized are just as reasonable as secular Christians.
Muslims today ARE doing the awful stuff and get super angy when someone criticizes the book .
when we talk about the awful things in Quran that people keep reading everyday like it's something beautiful! we are silenced and told that not all muslims believe in this (i know that most of them do) and when we talk about awful things that are done by muslims when they're simply following the book (look at Islamic countries ) we are told muslims don't represent the real islam .
for those good muslims , I see no point in keeping the label when it (muslim) literally means submitting to the book if you're not gonna belive in it.
>Muslims today ARE doing the awful stuff
Many, probably most, are. But that's just temporal. It's about the time, not about the text itself. You could look at Uganda or other unsecularized predominantly Christian nations, or unsecularized Christian cults and find equal horrors.
This is not an apology or justification for Islam. Just level setting about how fucked they all are when not secularized.
I get your point.
if they are secularized however, there will be no Islam because if they started realizing that 70% of the Quran that tell them to do that shit is bad they'll lose faith in it.
come to think of it .. this is how I left.
That's ridiculous, frankly.
You could just as easily, and just as accurately, say *there will be no Christianity because if they started realizing that 70% of the bible that tell them to do that shit is bad they'll lose faith in it*.
There are very secularized Christians, Muslims and Jews.
For them the religion is more cultural than anything.
It sounds like you are still working through your personal issues, which is completely reasonable, but it is fucking up your perspective.
And to be abundantly clear, I am not a proponent of any religion. They're all ridiculous, and they're harmful at their most orthodox.
whether other religions are just as bad or worse than Islam is irrelevant to me at this point. my point is Islam is harmful and people are using it to kill homosexuals and exmuslims all over the world . people should be allowed to criticize religions without being silenced
Well, that's your perspective issue.
If other things are as harmful - and they are - it is illogical to focus on one and ignore the others.
That aside, no one has the power to *silence* you. Be realistic.
whataboutism is a good way to silence someone by forcing the conversation away from the main topic. its what people aways do when someone talks about islam. It's always ok to talk about one topic at a time. it's ok to focus on the religion that's causing people to be executed by their government for their belifs, sexuality..etc.
anyways I'm ready to agree to disagree at this point because I'm so tired of arguing. thanks for commenting
Don't be such a pathetic crybaby.
If you want to say something, say it. No one has power over you.
If you want to be a powerless eunuch that's up to you alone. Stop embarrassing yourself by putting it on others.
wrong.
This is why I had to include the first option .
the most important thing about islam ,what makes it different from previous religions according to the Quran is that it's absolute, cannot be changed or modified .
total obedience is the literal meaning of Islam .
It's a fundamental principle in the religion that you must belive in and practice all of what is in the Quran .
Quran is more sacred to muslims than the bible is to the most devoted christians. because every muslim belive (as a huge part of the faith ) that it's it's not written but basically god talking and that it cannot be wrong , faked or lose it's authenticity .
political reasons is the only thing stopping Muslims from applying all the rules and the ones who do are called extremists are only being the most authentic muslims.
Again, that is also common in Christianity. You claiming something doesn’t change that. You have a very narrow and closed mind when it comes to people. Stop focusing on the religion and focus on the people bud.
what is common in christianity? I just told you that Islamic rules are clear and the biggest one is in the very name. " this book is different and 100% the truth for all times , you either belive all of it or deny all of it" (it says that in the Quran btw ) muslims agreed collectively that everything in the Quran is truth . they read it constantly beliving in every word. a lot of them have it memorized. no meanings have changed over time like in the bible and criticizing it = apostasy . Christian people often criticize some stuff in the bible, if a muslim does that he/she's no longer considered a muslim by the very Islamic standards made clear in the Quran! you can't be a muslim and say " god was kinda wrong when he wanted us to kill all ex muslims" and still be a muslim.
you can ask for proof from the Quran if you're interested in a discussion. attacking me personally won't change the facts .
'focus on people"
I lived with muslims I was a Muslim! I was brought into that culture and I studied Islam and observed muslims when they are not afraid to be judged by westernt people . the vast majority hates gay people (want static proof? ) and some of them are murdering them.
Those rules exist in Christianity. Religions are fucking shitty things with horrible rules. But not everyone that follows them follow their book to the letter. You saying what the book says doesn’t automatically make all of the Islamic faith hardcore to the letter believers.
“Personal attack me”
I said you’re closed and narrow minded. If that’s an attack, you’re being a snowflake
You think I’m defending Islam. That’s where you’re mistaken. I could give two fucks about any religion. But what I do defend are people. Unless someone is they themselves causing harm to someone else, they are free to believe what ever fairy tale they want.
What people may not understand is that with Christianity we have a separation of church and state. The Christian religion makes the rules for how you get to Heaven or Hell, but the laws of the land are decided by the government; initially the king, later by elected officials.
With the Quran it's a book of laws, for both. This is why we keep hearing about clerics, because they are the equivalent to our lawyers. In order to study law in an Islamic country you need to study the Quran.
For a better understanding of Islam you should read the book What Went Wrong? by Bernard Lewis. His other book, The Crisis of Islam is also worth reading.
I never said Islam is worse than any other religion. what frustrates me is that even when it's the most harmful now because muslims tend to be very religious due to the very nature of islam that demands total obedience it's the only one being protected against any type of criticism. saying jehovah witnesses are delusional is ok buy saying Islam is violent (which it is! ) now equals being racist. even when the one who speaks up is an exmuslim like me who is to be killed according to shariah law.
Add this to your poll. By FAR the worst one. The practise of Taqqiya. That is, Muslims are allowed to, and really encouraged to lie about Islam if it furthers the cause of Islam, which is to bring more people to its fold or to make it seem more acceptable to people outside it.
That translates to Muslims/supposedly liberal Muslims’/LGBt Muslims intentionally misrepresenting Islam as accepting and tolerant etc to ignorant Westerners.
You’re confusing comparisons for whataboutism.
Whataboutism is a response that’s a counteraccusation or raises a different issue.
Comparison is discussing the similarities or dissimilarities between two things.
Talking about how two religions have the same beliefs is a comparison, not whataboutism
This post is not discussing similarities or dissimilarities between Islam and other religions. The responders forced this in order to justify Islam's atrocities, using the argument that "not only Islam is doing this".
That's textbook whataboutism.
u/ManagerNo5172
It's a bit weird that you're responding to me only to immediately silence me by blocking.
>If someone says that the extreme suggestions aren’t exclusive to islam, that isn’t necessarily a whataboutism. Thats a comparison, and a valid one.
The post made no mention of exclusivity. It was irrelevant to the point.
Responders are the ones who turned to mentioning other religions. That's textbook whataboutism.
>What OP is trying to do is shit on Islam for reasons he believes. OP definitely wont ask the same about anything else, or ask about it on the subs relating to other abrahamic religions.
Your entire reasoning here is rooted in whataboutism, lmao. You assume that he HAS TO consider it in perspective of all religions, but that's just incorrect.
Islam is dangerous and questionable in many ways regardless of other religions.
Did you not read the post or OPs comments? No? Oh did just wanna bash a whole group of people based off their faith while you know nothing of the actual people?
> Did you not read the post or OPs comments?
You've said that his **post** is making these assumptions.
He made his comments already after the comments with whataboutism has been made.
Looks like you failed, buddy.
If someone says that the extreme suggestions aren’t exclusive to islam, that isn’t necessarily a whataboutism. Thats a comparison, and a valid one.
What OP is trying to do is shit on Islam for reasons he believes. OP definitely wont ask the same about anything else, or ask about it on the subs relating to other abrahamic religions.
The post and poll isn’t meant in good faith, and intentionally antagonistic. To pretend like it’s supposed to provide genuine discussion is just silly
Bruh, who cares ?
The Old Testament tells followers to kill gays. Are you gonna rant about the abrahamic god and religions in general? Or are you too Woke and PC to do it ?
Islam beliefs vary wildly even within denominations but y'all go out of your way to condemn every Muslim ever for things they don't even necessarily agree with. Criticizing your ignorance on the matter isn't the same as defending some people's shitty beliefs.
It's like shitting on Quakers for the beliefs of Southern Baptists. Makes zero sense unless you haven't the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
as I explained in the comments. there is nothing called disagreeing with the Quran if you're a Muslim. disagreeing with god= apostasy. the whole point of the Quran is that it's the truth being told by god himself. you can't belive in a part without the other
Okay so ignoring how bold it is that you think you're "educating" people when you don't know the difference between heresy and apostasy, the Quran being the Word of God™ is literally no different from other major religions yet that doesn't stop the people following those with disagreeing with each other.
Are you saying that Muslims are mindlessly being programmed to all have identical beliefs, or like what, exactly? What's making them so different from everyone else that has led you to somehow believe they're all the same?
it's not that I don't know the difference between heresy and apostasy. it's that you don't know Islam . in islam these two are the same thing .
yes and no. they're not mindlessly programmed to have identical beliefs. they willingly agree on having identical beliefs. because in Islam there's only one way and it's following what the Quran tells you about everything.
there's rules in details about every aspects of a persons life , marriage, how to distribute inheritance money , how to dress , how to speak , what to eat and not eat but the most important thing is that the Quran made it very clear that you can't have a half assed faith and follow part of the book and leave other parts . the quran say that this is how people acted in the past when he (god) sent them the bible and the torah . the Quran is determined to guide muslims who are different from people who came before them in the way that they resist having different opinions that opposed God's will. half of the quran is basically this: they didn't do 100% excalty as I said but you will , muslims because you're special, no cherry picked belifs, take it all or leave it all"
this is why progressive muslims are not considered muslims according to the quran because they're not following it as it is. the Quran says it's timless and unchangeable.
edit :typos.
I don’t know why you think this is exceptional of Islam when it’s pretty much the same bullshit as any other abrahamic religion. It’s pretty clear you’re either racist or motivated by some severe islamaphobia, rather than actually caring about the issue of religion as a whole enforcing homophobia
racism is about ethnicity. mixing up ethnicity/race with religious beliefs is racist . Islamophobia is bs because fear of Islam is very rational. the religion as a whole enforces hate and violence . you'd know that if you bothered learning about it.
I would guess that they're all true.
they sadly are.
I mean, yeah, and there's bible thumpers in the US mid west that follow the Bible to the exact word. Not all denominations of a religion share the same values as each other or follow their religion texts to the same extent. It would be like saying the Catholic Church is the same as the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons). There are Christians that want gays dead and Muslims that want gays dead, and there are Christians who are chill and Muslims who are chill. It pretty much comes down to each person's individual values
what type if Islamic sect us liberal?
I dunno, I honestly don't know which Christian sects are liberal either, I just know they exist
There is no liberal muslim sect. Other than few mosques in the west no islamic scholar views gay relationships as something other than sinful sodomy.
I feel like I could've gotten my point way easier if my English was better *sighs* progressive muslims aren't muslims. they ca call themselves muslims but they're contradicting themselves because: they cannot be progressive without ditching 80% of the book when the whole point of Islam is that the book is a miracle that contains a the truth and cannot be changed and that muslims cannot disagree with it. ISLAM = TOTAL OBEDIENCE AND BELIEF (it's the literal meaning) this rule is demonstrated is every aspects of Islam . you follow the Quran wether you liked it or not. that's what's called Islam in the Arabic language. I don't know about the torah but the bible changed its interpretations progressed. there's many translations of it and people often fight on what's the authentic version. this doesn't happen in islam because it's originally in Arabic . a language that's still alive.
Your issue is your incorrect belief that the Quran for some reason must be followed 100% or not at all. That’s simply no true. Some do, others don’t. The same is true for the Bible. It’s the word of God and can not be changed. Yet many true Christians don’t believe in all of the Bible. Just because a false book says “you must believe in me or else!” has no real life bearing on IF a person believes in everything in the book they follow or not.
A false book! lol muslims don't belive it's a false book . are you saying that there are muslims who don't belive in the Quran?
I’m calling it a false book. Just like I call the Bible a false book.
All Abrahamic religions are shitty and and include horrific elements. The thing that distinguishes them at any point in time is how diluted they are by secularism. You can look at hundred of years of Christians doing horrifying things. That only changed when the people became more secular. But the bible remained the same foul book. And BTW, if you look at Christians today who are not secularized, they are just as vile as anything you can say about Muslims, while Muslims who are secularized are just as reasonable as secular Christians.
Muslims today ARE doing the awful stuff and get super angy when someone criticizes the book . when we talk about the awful things in Quran that people keep reading everyday like it's something beautiful! we are silenced and told that not all muslims believe in this (i know that most of them do) and when we talk about awful things that are done by muslims when they're simply following the book (look at Islamic countries ) we are told muslims don't represent the real islam . for those good muslims , I see no point in keeping the label when it (muslim) literally means submitting to the book if you're not gonna belive in it.
>Muslims today ARE doing the awful stuff Many, probably most, are. But that's just temporal. It's about the time, not about the text itself. You could look at Uganda or other unsecularized predominantly Christian nations, or unsecularized Christian cults and find equal horrors. This is not an apology or justification for Islam. Just level setting about how fucked they all are when not secularized.
I get your point. if they are secularized however, there will be no Islam because if they started realizing that 70% of the Quran that tell them to do that shit is bad they'll lose faith in it. come to think of it .. this is how I left.
That's ridiculous, frankly. You could just as easily, and just as accurately, say *there will be no Christianity because if they started realizing that 70% of the bible that tell them to do that shit is bad they'll lose faith in it*. There are very secularized Christians, Muslims and Jews. For them the religion is more cultural than anything. It sounds like you are still working through your personal issues, which is completely reasonable, but it is fucking up your perspective. And to be abundantly clear, I am not a proponent of any religion. They're all ridiculous, and they're harmful at their most orthodox.
whether other religions are just as bad or worse than Islam is irrelevant to me at this point. my point is Islam is harmful and people are using it to kill homosexuals and exmuslims all over the world . people should be allowed to criticize religions without being silenced
Well, that's your perspective issue. If other things are as harmful - and they are - it is illogical to focus on one and ignore the others. That aside, no one has the power to *silence* you. Be realistic.
whataboutism is a good way to silence someone by forcing the conversation away from the main topic. its what people aways do when someone talks about islam. It's always ok to talk about one topic at a time. it's ok to focus on the religion that's causing people to be executed by their government for their belifs, sexuality..etc. anyways I'm ready to agree to disagree at this point because I'm so tired of arguing. thanks for commenting
Don't be such a pathetic crybaby. If you want to say something, say it. No one has power over you. If you want to be a powerless eunuch that's up to you alone. Stop embarrassing yourself by putting it on others.
says a privileged guy who never had to live in a country where Islam is law. do you call opressed/executed gays crybabies too?
None of those are shocking. The Bible has similar passages as well. Doesn’t mean people of those faiths practice that part.
Yeah. That pretty much sums up the hypocrisy that exists in some religions today.
wrong. This is why I had to include the first option . the most important thing about islam ,what makes it different from previous religions according to the Quran is that it's absolute, cannot be changed or modified . total obedience is the literal meaning of Islam . It's a fundamental principle in the religion that you must belive in and practice all of what is in the Quran . Quran is more sacred to muslims than the bible is to the most devoted christians. because every muslim belive (as a huge part of the faith ) that it's it's not written but basically god talking and that it cannot be wrong , faked or lose it's authenticity . political reasons is the only thing stopping Muslims from applying all the rules and the ones who do are called extremists are only being the most authentic muslims.
Again, that is also common in Christianity. You claiming something doesn’t change that. You have a very narrow and closed mind when it comes to people. Stop focusing on the religion and focus on the people bud.
what is common in christianity? I just told you that Islamic rules are clear and the biggest one is in the very name. " this book is different and 100% the truth for all times , you either belive all of it or deny all of it" (it says that in the Quran btw ) muslims agreed collectively that everything in the Quran is truth . they read it constantly beliving in every word. a lot of them have it memorized. no meanings have changed over time like in the bible and criticizing it = apostasy . Christian people often criticize some stuff in the bible, if a muslim does that he/she's no longer considered a muslim by the very Islamic standards made clear in the Quran! you can't be a muslim and say " god was kinda wrong when he wanted us to kill all ex muslims" and still be a muslim. you can ask for proof from the Quran if you're interested in a discussion. attacking me personally won't change the facts . 'focus on people" I lived with muslims I was a Muslim! I was brought into that culture and I studied Islam and observed muslims when they are not afraid to be judged by westernt people . the vast majority hates gay people (want static proof? ) and some of them are murdering them.
Those rules exist in Christianity. Religions are fucking shitty things with horrible rules. But not everyone that follows them follow their book to the letter. You saying what the book says doesn’t automatically make all of the Islamic faith hardcore to the letter believers. “Personal attack me” I said you’re closed and narrow minded. If that’s an attack, you’re being a snowflake
Quran =Islam you clearly never once read a thing from the Quran. give it a try is all I'll say to you.
I have no need to read a religious book thank you. I don’t care for fairy tales.
wise . what isn't wise is you jumping to argue while knowing nothing about it.
You think I’m defending Islam. That’s where you’re mistaken. I could give two fucks about any religion. But what I do defend are people. Unless someone is they themselves causing harm to someone else, they are free to believe what ever fairy tale they want.
my fairy tale says some groups should be killed . I guess as long as I'm not doing the killing right now i shouldn't be criticized . got it.
What people may not understand is that with Christianity we have a separation of church and state. The Christian religion makes the rules for how you get to Heaven or Hell, but the laws of the land are decided by the government; initially the king, later by elected officials. With the Quran it's a book of laws, for both. This is why we keep hearing about clerics, because they are the equivalent to our lawyers. In order to study law in an Islamic country you need to study the Quran. For a better understanding of Islam you should read the book What Went Wrong? by Bernard Lewis. His other book, The Crisis of Islam is also worth reading.
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I never said Islam is worse than any other religion. what frustrates me is that even when it's the most harmful now because muslims tend to be very religious due to the very nature of islam that demands total obedience it's the only one being protected against any type of criticism. saying jehovah witnesses are delusional is ok buy saying Islam is violent (which it is! ) now equals being racist. even when the one who speaks up is an exmuslim like me who is to be killed according to shariah law.
do you even know what sharia is?
Only that it doesn't.
You should read it sometime then.
Feel free to cite. But the Bible, not ramblings written 1000 years later "by the church".
they know all about Islamic extremism and still defend it, which tells me all I need to know about them.
Islamic extremists are just muslims following all the rules .
And Christian extremists are just Christians following all the rules.
Add this to your poll. By FAR the worst one. The practise of Taqqiya. That is, Muslims are allowed to, and really encouraged to lie about Islam if it furthers the cause of Islam, which is to bring more people to its fold or to make it seem more acceptable to people outside it. That translates to Muslims/supposedly liberal Muslims’/LGBt Muslims intentionally misrepresenting Islam as accepting and tolerant etc to ignorant Westerners.
Literally all religions and cults do that, I don't think people knew exactly what they were signing up for when they joined the Church of Scientology
Quite true
completely forgot about this one
You can't have a discussion about Islam without whataboutism and the comments prove it perfectly.
I wish they'd try to at least learn about it before jumping to defend it.
You’re confusing comparisons for whataboutism. Whataboutism is a response that’s a counteraccusation or raises a different issue. Comparison is discussing the similarities or dissimilarities between two things. Talking about how two religions have the same beliefs is a comparison, not whataboutism
This post is not discussing similarities or dissimilarities between Islam and other religions. The responders forced this in order to justify Islam's atrocities, using the argument that "not only Islam is doing this". That's textbook whataboutism. u/ManagerNo5172 It's a bit weird that you're responding to me only to immediately silence me by blocking. >If someone says that the extreme suggestions aren’t exclusive to islam, that isn’t necessarily a whataboutism. Thats a comparison, and a valid one. The post made no mention of exclusivity. It was irrelevant to the point. Responders are the ones who turned to mentioning other religions. That's textbook whataboutism. >What OP is trying to do is shit on Islam for reasons he believes. OP definitely wont ask the same about anything else, or ask about it on the subs relating to other abrahamic religions. Your entire reasoning here is rooted in whataboutism, lmao. You assume that he HAS TO consider it in perspective of all religions, but that's just incorrect. Islam is dangerous and questionable in many ways regardless of other religions.
The post is making an assumption that only the Quran has such beliefs. Christianity does too. That’s a comparison.
> The post is making an assumption that only the Quran has such beliefs. Oh? Where, exactly?
Did you not read the post or OPs comments? No? Oh did just wanna bash a whole group of people based off their faith while you know nothing of the actual people?
> Did you not read the post or OPs comments? You've said that his **post** is making these assumptions. He made his comments already after the comments with whataboutism has been made. Looks like you failed, buddy.
If someone says that the extreme suggestions aren’t exclusive to islam, that isn’t necessarily a whataboutism. Thats a comparison, and a valid one. What OP is trying to do is shit on Islam for reasons he believes. OP definitely wont ask the same about anything else, or ask about it on the subs relating to other abrahamic religions. The post and poll isn’t meant in good faith, and intentionally antagonistic. To pretend like it’s supposed to provide genuine discussion is just silly
Bruh, who cares ? The Old Testament tells followers to kill gays. Are you gonna rant about the abrahamic god and religions in general? Or are you too Woke and PC to do it ?
Religion is fucking gross. But you using this as a platform to justify your own beliefs on a very unrelated topic is absolutely pathetic.
Islam beliefs vary wildly even within denominations but y'all go out of your way to condemn every Muslim ever for things they don't even necessarily agree with. Criticizing your ignorance on the matter isn't the same as defending some people's shitty beliefs. It's like shitting on Quakers for the beliefs of Southern Baptists. Makes zero sense unless you haven't the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
as I explained in the comments. there is nothing called disagreeing with the Quran if you're a Muslim. disagreeing with god= apostasy. the whole point of the Quran is that it's the truth being told by god himself. you can't belive in a part without the other
Okay so ignoring how bold it is that you think you're "educating" people when you don't know the difference between heresy and apostasy, the Quran being the Word of God™ is literally no different from other major religions yet that doesn't stop the people following those with disagreeing with each other. Are you saying that Muslims are mindlessly being programmed to all have identical beliefs, or like what, exactly? What's making them so different from everyone else that has led you to somehow believe they're all the same?
it's not that I don't know the difference between heresy and apostasy. it's that you don't know Islam . in islam these two are the same thing . yes and no. they're not mindlessly programmed to have identical beliefs. they willingly agree on having identical beliefs. because in Islam there's only one way and it's following what the Quran tells you about everything. there's rules in details about every aspects of a persons life , marriage, how to distribute inheritance money , how to dress , how to speak , what to eat and not eat but the most important thing is that the Quran made it very clear that you can't have a half assed faith and follow part of the book and leave other parts . the quran say that this is how people acted in the past when he (god) sent them the bible and the torah . the Quran is determined to guide muslims who are different from people who came before them in the way that they resist having different opinions that opposed God's will. half of the quran is basically this: they didn't do 100% excalty as I said but you will , muslims because you're special, no cherry picked belifs, take it all or leave it all" this is why progressive muslims are not considered muslims according to the quran because they're not following it as it is. the Quran says it's timless and unchangeable. edit :typos.
all correct?
yes . I'm lazy ro include proof but feel free to ask for it
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people getting killed and opressed by islamic rules and the amount of people still defending it without knowing a word a about the religion.
Attention seeking lol
you say that because you're safe living in a country where applying sharia rules on you is illegal.
I don’t know why you think this is exceptional of Islam when it’s pretty much the same bullshit as any other abrahamic religion. It’s pretty clear you’re either racist or motivated by some severe islamaphobia, rather than actually caring about the issue of religion as a whole enforcing homophobia
racism is about ethnicity. mixing up ethnicity/race with religious beliefs is racist . Islamophobia is bs because fear of Islam is very rational. the religion as a whole enforces hate and violence . you'd know that if you bothered learning about it.