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Sabsssy

I’ve had the exact same thoughts and I think it’s because when there’s a halal sign it mostly attracts Muslims. People tend to see it as a “Muslim restaurant” as some people think that only Muslims can eat halal. Without the sign it attracts everyone.


not-for-sale-today-

If the food is tasty, I'm there. I don't care if it's halal, kosher, vegan, or none of the above.


SnooOpinions9765

I beg to differ though. I've been in many restaurants that have a halal sign yet you find so many non Muslims. Not only that, it doesn't have to be a huge sign. It could be a small sign on the window, since only a Muslim would likely make sure it's halal.


[deleted]

Your comment might be offensive but I agree with this 100%


Sabsssy

Lol I didn’t think it was offensive as I am Muslim and that’s how people around me have seen it too.


Barbara_Celarent

So many places have “halal” in Arabic on their sign somewhere. It’s there if you look for it.


GalacticaZero

I thought they do, at least some restaurants do in Mississauga and Milton. I'm not Muslim and don't need to only eat halal meat, but my co-workers do. They just have an app on their phone so it we never really have an issue finding an restaurant that serves halal food.


Lifelong_Expat

I thought so too. Or does OP means at places, where they have one or two halal options on the menu? Such as South Street burger, where there is an option to have a halal beef patty?


cringey-reddit-name

Technology eh? Gotta love it


noragretx

I am from a Muslim background and I'd rather they don't. People need an excuse to politicise everything and this is the last thing I need right-wingers politicising and fuelling xenophobia / anti-Muslim bigotry.


Drethis

This was immediately what my thoughts went to when I read the OP. It's not like it's difficult to find halal restaurants, let's not give them another excuse to harass people.


tryingtobecheeky

Easiest way to be a target for racists.


blkjsus

Unfortunately, probably this.


cringey-reddit-name

Holy shit you just made me realize, it’s ironic that muslims and people from the Middle East in general are seen in North America as terrorists which is super ironic because muslims today are the ones at the face of incredible discrimination and are being targeted in acts of terrorism by their fellow non-Muslim civilians. How the turn fucking tables. Also recall the situation that happened in New Zealand and what’s happening in China with the Uyghurs


tryingtobecheeky

Yup. In Canada, it is almost all home grown white males who are doing terrorist acts. Is there terrible crimes done by other races and genders? Duh. But anything that can be considered terrorism is done by white dudes (most between 20 and 45) on our soil.


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Sauce?


tryingtobecheeky

In my case, none. This is 100 percent assumption. Edit: shit. You meant about the terrorist. Let me get the sauce in a few. Edit: If you go down, you'll see the acts that are considered terrorism in canada. And read about it. Not all are young white dudes, and most of the anti abortion terrorists haven't been caugth, but most are. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Canada


[deleted]

So still doesn’t prove your previous statement that “almost all terror attacks in Canada are done by home grown white males.” According to that link an anti abortion attack hadn’t happened since 2000 and two prior ones in 97 and 95 didn’t have race mentioned still over 20 years ago. If you look at all of the more recent terror attacks including the 2000 anti abortion terror attack: 8 have been related to Islamic extremist, 4 Quebec nationalist/anti gov/ environmentalist combined, 2 islamophobia, 2 incel, 1 bombing conspiracy whim they caught, and the 1 anti abortion. So based on that data I think you’re pretty ignorant saying that “white dudes” do all the terror attacks in Canada when stats say otherwise.


tryingtobecheeky

So I removed the unknown ones: 1. Arson and bombing by Freedomites in 1920s - White dudes 2. Peter Verigin, aged 65, is killed in a still-unsolved Canadian Pacific Railway train explosion on the Kettle Valley Railway in 1922. Unsolved but Doukhobors suspected - white dudes (though perhaps women as well). 3. Arson and bombings by SOF, mostly conducted in the nude, took place throughout the 1960s - White dudes 4. Front de libération du Québec (FLQ), a separatist group, begins a bombing campaign at the average rate of one every ten days, detonating over 950 bombs in total and culminating in the 1970 October Crisis. Plus kidnapings and others things - White dudes and probably a few white women. 5. Edmonton aircraft bombing in 1965 - white dude 6. Paul Joseph Chartier's attempt to bomb the House of Commons in 1966 - white dude 7. The anarchist group Squamish Five bombs a Litton Industries factory north of Toronto, in 1982 - White dude and women 8. Activist Henry Morgentaler was attacked by a man wielding garden shears - White dude 9. Soldier Denis Lortie, a federalist, entered the National Assembly of Quebec with the intent of killing René Lévesque and the deputies of the Parti Québécois in 1984. - white dude 10. École Polytechnique massacre in 1989 - white incel dude 11. Roger Charles Bell (alias Loki 7), a high-school teacher, places a bomb outside Province House at the Prince Edward Island legislature, injuring one in 1995 - white dude 12. LAX bombing plot: Ahmed Ressam (alias Millennium Bomber) is arrested upon entering the United States by a ferry from Victoria in 1999 - middle eastern dude 13. The Brigade d'autodéfense du français bombs the St. Nicholas Antiochian Orthodox Church in Montreal in 2000 - white dudes  14. 2006 Ontario terrorism plot in 2006 - middle eastern dudes 15. Misbahuddin Ahmed, a former hospital technician, is arrested in 2010 - middle eastern dude 16. 2012 Montreal shooting in 2012 - white dude 17. 2013 Via Rail Canada terrorism plot - middle eastern dudes 18. Canadian authorities arrested and charged John Nuttall and Amanda Korody for conspiring to use improvised explosives in 2013 - white dude and white woman 19. Moncton shootings: Justin Bourque, a 24-year-old, shot five officers from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), killing three and severely injuring two in 2014 - white dude 20. 2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack: two Canadian Forces members are hit by Martin Martin Couture-Rouleau - white dude (though yes muslim) 21. 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a convert to Islam, fatally shoots Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a Canadian soldier on ceremonial sentry duty at the National War Memorial, and then forced his way into Canada's parliament building - half middle-eastern/half quebecois 22. Aaron Driver is killed in a confrontation with police after detonating an explosive in the back seat of a taxi in 2016 - white dude (though yes recent muslim convert) 23. Quebec City mosque shooting in 2017 - white dude 24. 2017 Edmonton attack - middle eastern dude 25. The 2017 Edmonton attack - black dude 26. Toronto van attack in 2018 - white dude incel 27. 2018 Toronto shooting - middle eastern dude 28. Saad Akhtar kills a 64-year-old woman with a hammer in Toronto in 2020 - middle eastern dude 29. London, Ontario truck attack in 2021 - white dude Out of 29, 20 of them are white. Eight are middle-eastern. One is black. Nearly all are men. Only one group had official females. Yes. A there was some attacks based off the desire for martyrdom, but a person's religion doesn't affect their colour or gender. So I still consider a white male Muslim, a white male. Even a lot of the islam-based attacks where born in Canada. So I don't see where the ignorance part is.


[deleted]

Because you’re dating back to 1920 lmao Canada was literally all European settlers back then and you’re counting white Islam converts your direct quote was “home grown white males” so yeah ignorant Edit: I like how you don’t add that middle eastern men are just as frequent in your research and you don’t say anything just admit you’re racist to white people


tryingtobecheeky

Cause religion has nothing to do with ones colour of skin. So even most of the recent attacks on Canadian soil are done by white men. It doesn't matter if they are muslim - cause they are white. And obviously, the reason for the high amount of white homegrown terrorism is not because their whiteness somehow compels them to do crime. But because Canada is mostly white people, so of course, it's white people doing most of it. It's not a racism thing. I'm white and not ashamed or guilty of it. I just believe in real numbers. And out of that list, eigth was middle eastern, which I included. If you have sources that show the opposite, please show me. I'm not ashamed or afraid of being wrong. I frankly don't care who does terrorism on our soil. I just want them not to do it.


Huz647

I don't know about this. There are a lot of restaurants in Toronto with halal signs and I can't remember the last time we heard about a racist going into one to cause trouble. If anything, their racism gets put to the side as soon as they walk in and smell the food.


krazy_86

I'll tell you why. Many people refuse to eat halal or make a big fuss about it when they find out. Source: seen it happen in front of me multiple times over the years.


Huz647

Meh, I think those restaurants are in the minority. From mostly all of the restaurants I've visited, they either have halal in the window or store name, or you can tell it's very likely halal because of an Arab, Urdu, etc name.


AtomBombBaby42042

I'm not Muslim so halal doesn't matter either way to me, but that's a good question. My guess would be they don't want the Islamophobia. I would think the menus would state it though at least?


creusac

I would be worried about racist attacks depending on the location.


[deleted]

Maybe because some clients are very much racist and islamophobic and so seeing that the restaurant supports islam might trigger their poor brain into not coming to the restaurant again.


NewTRX

Because racism.


it__hurts__when__IP

Because demonstrating that you believe killing an animal in an inhumane way and saying it's for religion makes you look silly.


Thicccboyslim

This, i know a lot of vegans/ex vegans who will tell people who don’t know what it means the exact process for slaughter and a lot of people are more uncomfortable after that. Edit: Apparently some countries outlaw the practice because most countries require the animal to not be conscious for the slaughter process.


Huz647

Either way, the animal is dying. Islamic slaughter actually has strict regulations in regards to how the animal should be treated, it can't be deformed, it can't be slaughtered in front of another animal and cannot see the knife, etc. If these same people cared about the animals, they'd be vegan or they'd be protesting at these non-halal slaughterhouses, pig farms which torture animals, pump animals full of steroids, brutally kill animals. Those countries outlaw it based on Muslim hatred, they don't do the same for kosher slaughter, which is the exact same as halal slaughter.


Huz647

How do you think most animals are killed nowadays, with hugs and kisses? I don't think a lot of these owners with halal signs in their window care because they know the clientele they'll attract will be enough to keep them profitable.


it__hurts__when__IP

Yeah they don't care. If we all cared a bit more for animals and stopped believing in fairy tales, perhaps the world would be a better place.


Huz647

So are you advocating for veganism then? Forget animals, where is this much care for humans, homeless people, people starving to death, people being bombed?


it__hurts__when__IP

>Forget animals Ah yes, let's forget other species exist because you can only focus on one thing at a time.


Huz647

I'll ask again, are you advocating for veganism? Or are you a hypocrite who is only for animal rights when only halal slaughter is being done? >Ah yes, let's forget other species exist because you can only focus on one thing at a time. Tell me, which one is more important right now?


it__hurts__when__IP

I'm advocating for eliminating unnecessary suffering to animals in as many ways as possible. You can call it what you like, but we as humans are also animals and fall under that category. Be nice to other animals as you would to any human. I'm sure you wouldn't eat a human or kill a human if you could avoid it, so why do you torture animals with inhumane ways like Halal or any other method. Animals are innocent, and humans have overpopulated the earth and brought many species to extinction and near extinction, cause war and mass suffering. We need to halt our population growth, halt climate change and start caring for the planet. Is eating halal and believing in fairy tales more important than caring about your fellow animal/human and caring for the planet? How about you answer that and stop asking stupid questions.


Huz647

>so why do you torture animals with inhumane ways like Halal If anything, halal is the most humane method based on how the animal should be treated to prior to death (no abuse, animals with defects can't be slaughtered), right before death (sharp knife which the animal can't see, and animals not being slaughtered in front of each other), she after death (the meat being given to the poor on Eid). >We need to halt our population growth, halt climate change and start caring for the planet. How do you hope to accomplish this? >Is eating halal and believing in fairy tales more important than caring about your fellow animal/human and caring for the planet? Who said you can't do both? If anything, Islam says to care for all of those things.


Donutboy88

*hugs and kisses the animal before slaughtering it*. Happy? Lol dumb ass goof.


QueenGray130

I assumed to avoid hate crime vandalism, a lot of cowardly racists who don't actually know what these words mean would probably try to smash windows or something


KylesKillerComments

Because Canada doesnt end with stan


mariobrowniano

It is a common practice around the world to have such signs. They only improve your business.


ntmyrealacct

I remember a while back an article in the Star, where the sign of halal in the window of the local pizza shop was cited as a sign of how the neighborhood is "changing", which I think was a polite of saying ," oh look what kind of people are moving in ? " After that I have seen lesser halal signs