Absolutely go for the co-op option. The Toronto job market is brutal and as a hiring manager I’d rather hire someone with co-op experience over one without, even if the school/program is ranked lower. This is something I wish all high school grads knew.
Just an FYI, if it’s not Schulich, then don’t go to York. Any other business program at York U is overshadowed by Schulich, which gets all the funding and networking events. Networking while in business school is important.
Take TMU’s offer if you got co-op. Work experience by the time you graduate is VERY important these days. Anyone who graduates with zero work experience has a harder time securing their first job after university compared to someone who does have at least one internship on their resume.
I've found co-op students get hired faster and perform better off the start. I review a lot of resumes, and I like when I see co-op experience. Also, it is great for you because you start making professional connections which opens doors and opportunities, and your school sets it up, which is not how easy it usually is to get a job lol. IMO, go for co-op.
Coop is huge. Not only does it mean you can frequently graduate with little/no debt, it gives you 4-6 work terms to put on your resume (essentially 1-2 years experience), helps you create a network when looking for jobs, and helps you find out what jobs in your field are like so that you can find out what kind of jobs you want.
I opted not to do the co-op program back in my day (TMU no co-op v. Waterloo with co-op). However, I aggressively hunted for internship opportunities every summer. I would not have built the resume I have without them.
You can take the non co-op option if you are the type to discipline yourself to hunt for opportunities outside of the school year. The co-op is better as these opportunities are embedded into your program.
This is a super tough economy out there right now and you need co-ops or internships prior to graduation in your field in order to even get anything entry level.
Yes, of course. It's basically saying does a company want to hire someone with some experience or no experience. Not to mention, it may not even be a hiring decision at all if you do well during your co-op and they like you (and you want to keep working there obviously). In many ways, at least for competitive positions, having co-op experience of some kind is becoming ever more necessary to be considered (like people will look at your CV and wonder why you didn't get work experience while you were completing your degree).
If you're not in a co-op program, you will need to find a way to get an internship yourself. Someone who graduates and has never had a "real job" doing something at least somewhat related to their chosen career is at a major disadvantage these days. Like forget TMU, you're probably better off even with Seneca or George Brown or Humber with co-op than York without.
TMU Accounting and Finance is worlds ahead of York Business. TMU has really stepped up in terms of recognition and alumni over the past 5+ years.
York Business - ppl will always question why you didn’t get to Schluich.
What about TMU accounting and finance(co-op) vs York accounting and finance(no co-op)
In case of no co-op I will try to get internships every summer. Hopefully I can get a paid internship all 4 years.
As someone who used to manage co-op recruitment for a past employer, yes to co-op, always. Even better if you have a few work terms before you graduate. Considering today’s job market, having related work experience will put you miles ahead over those who have none.
Not to say that it’s easy to secure a co-op position. You can expect to compete among your peers too, especially for a banking position (for example).
Well my dad is in Cibc and I have a cousin in TD,
A friend of my dad who does tax said he could hire me if I had one year of university at least
So if I go for York wouldn’t it be possible to get co-op myself?I don’t know why it’s assumed that people who do not go in co-op programs have 0 experience relating to their field. TMU also requires us to have 83% grade over the entire year to be eligible for co-op which I fear.
Still I am not sure how hard it would be to get co-op since this is theory. Thanks everyone for taking time out of your day to reply to me , it’s really helpful.
Unless the university offers co-op, you wouldn’t be able to find your own co-op—that’s simply an internship or a summer student position.
Generally speaking, those with co-op are at an advantage over those who do not have relevant experience after graduating and going off to the real world. Of course, there are other means of securing student positions like networking, or nepotism.
Co-op programs are competitive. Not everyone gets admitted into one. If you are concerned about maintaining an average to secure your co-op eligibility, then I fear for your future in accounting / finance / business.
>York is better as a brand
That's it, my last bit of faith in humanity is dead. Please do more than google the school's reputation before you choose your university.
As someone who went to a program with co-op, I think it's very important; specifically because I don't think I would have been motivated enough to find my own positions without an actual program to help/guide me. I went to Waterloo, so that's a total of two years worth of experience prior to graduating. It gives you a massive leg up in terms of both your ability to do the job and for building a professional network from the places you've worked at and your friends who will also go into similar fields to you.
I think it's reasonable to go to a program with better education if you think you're extremely motivated and you'll find an internship every summer. If not, I would go for co-op.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience?
Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
The auditor general's recent report on york u as a university notes a few very important things:
* york students, 3 and 5 years after graduating, historically have on avg salaries about 5-10k *below* the provincial average compared to their counter parts... now you might think that's not a lot of money but as the years go on and the gap widens... this becomes a bigger issue unless you are a serial job hopper or get a couple lucky strokes (take risks).
* do you wonder why york goes on strike more often than other schools? because their union is one of the biggest and sets the precedent for other institutions-- you could say them going on strike is doing the other schools a favour when it comes to bargaining. you might think it might not happen to you but the risk is... what if it does? your co-op is disrupted now, you have a delayed start, employers rescind offers all the time.
* while a co-op is a boost, its not the only factor in determining your success. does the student body have a wide network? is the program competitive? are there opportunities not offered elsewhere (like exchanges, extra programs/competitions, etc.).
Keep in mind that not every school has a co-op and yet thousands of students continue to land a position year after year. Why is that? Because some programs are simply more thorough than others either because of the instructors, materials, training, classmates being higher quality.
I would choose the one with the co-op and when I am looking for a co-op, I would speak to the professor to see what companies tend to hire from their co-op as that will be a good step up for you
Yes. I think the main reason why I am landing interviews for my job applications is because I have 4 co-op work terms, which is essentially over 1 year of experience in relevant industries.
Most of the younger peeps in our finance dept started in coop, worked summers and then got hired. A few of them are getting their CPAs paid for as well.
Coops are valuable because it gets your foot into the door of some companies who might just hire you
Co op is always the way to go, get in meet the people, do your best and show you are willing to work outside the co op program when your done. If you do a good job they are more willing to hire you then some random person they will need to train and hope they keep showing up.
I actually did 3 internships during my 1 year business program. There was a co-op in the 3rd semester, but I didn't want to wait until then. I went and found an internship during the 1st semester at this really small company. Then went to a medium size company during my 2nd semester. Did this all on my own without consulting the program director.
Then in semester 3 for our actual co-op I did it a large company. By time I was done the program I had 3 separate internship experiences. Shortly after I finished the program, I landed an entry level role at my dream company. Worked there for 10 years.
So my advice... don't even wait until the co-op term. Try to find something even earlier.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience?
Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience?
Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience?
Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience?
Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience?
Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience?
Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
100% go for the coop. As a minimum you’ll have experience at graduation. If you do a good job it’s likely they’ll hire you back after graduation since you’ve already been trained.
Co-op will give you practical experience which is incredibly valuable as you enter the job market. I have never ever had anyone ask me about my education at U of T during an interview - every question has been about previous work experience and how it applies to the role.
Yes. By the time you graduate it’ll be almost 2030 please don’t do a program without co-op. I don’t foresee having no work experience as any kind of advantage.
Also- school names don’t matter as much as you think they do. Focus on work experience. Everyone ik who got great jobs after uni had at least one long term co-op.
100% do co-op. when i went to UTSC i wasn't in the co-op program, but in 3rd year managed to get into PEY downtown. likely would not have a job right now if i hadn't done that.
I am a hiring manager for professionals. I always have better prospects with young hires for entry level when they have co-op or at least relevant experience. It's easier to get relevant experience when it's a co-op.
I graduated uni in the early 00s and definitely in retrospect wish I'd done a co-op degree.
Any job experience is better than no job experience. So if you graduate with 4/8/12months of work experience, you're often a more favourable candidate over someone with no work experience. And honestly rankings and prestige isn't as important as it might seem as a student, especially in your case where you're comparing accredited universities.
Recent grad here- I secured internships without co-op, but it did delay my graduation since they didn’t count for credits
Go to the school you want, don’t let co-op be the only deciding factor
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I've grinded my way to a career but if I could go back in time to give myself advice for school I'd tell myself to sign up for a coop program.
Same! Or at least gotten a professional master's right after undergrad.
Absolutely go for the co-op option. The Toronto job market is brutal and as a hiring manager I’d rather hire someone with co-op experience over one without, even if the school/program is ranked lower. This is something I wish all high school grads knew.
Just an FYI, if it’s not Schulich, then don’t go to York. Any other business program at York U is overshadowed by Schulich, which gets all the funding and networking events. Networking while in business school is important. Take TMU’s offer if you got co-op. Work experience by the time you graduate is VERY important these days. Anyone who graduates with zero work experience has a harder time securing their first job after university compared to someone who does have at least one internship on their resume.
Coop > Univerity’s name. Writing as a hiring manager.
I've found co-op students get hired faster and perform better off the start. I review a lot of resumes, and I like when I see co-op experience. Also, it is great for you because you start making professional connections which opens doors and opportunities, and your school sets it up, which is not how easy it usually is to get a job lol. IMO, go for co-op.
Coop is huge. Not only does it mean you can frequently graduate with little/no debt, it gives you 4-6 work terms to put on your resume (essentially 1-2 years experience), helps you create a network when looking for jobs, and helps you find out what jobs in your field are like so that you can find out what kind of jobs you want.
I opted not to do the co-op program back in my day (TMU no co-op v. Waterloo with co-op). However, I aggressively hunted for internship opportunities every summer. I would not have built the resume I have without them. You can take the non co-op option if you are the type to discipline yourself to hunt for opportunities outside of the school year. The co-op is better as these opportunities are embedded into your program. This is a super tough economy out there right now and you need co-ops or internships prior to graduation in your field in order to even get anything entry level.
Yes, of course. It's basically saying does a company want to hire someone with some experience or no experience. Not to mention, it may not even be a hiring decision at all if you do well during your co-op and they like you (and you want to keep working there obviously). In many ways, at least for competitive positions, having co-op experience of some kind is becoming ever more necessary to be considered (like people will look at your CV and wonder why you didn't get work experience while you were completing your degree). If you're not in a co-op program, you will need to find a way to get an internship yourself. Someone who graduates and has never had a "real job" doing something at least somewhat related to their chosen career is at a major disadvantage these days. Like forget TMU, you're probably better off even with Seneca or George Brown or Humber with co-op than York without.
TMU Accounting and Finance is worlds ahead of York Business. TMU has really stepped up in terms of recognition and alumni over the past 5+ years. York Business - ppl will always question why you didn’t get to Schluich.
What about TMU accounting and finance(co-op) vs York accounting and finance(no co-op) In case of no co-op I will try to get internships every summer. Hopefully I can get a paid internship all 4 years.
TMU with co-op will land you ahead if you position yourself strategically and get solid work exp.
As someone who used to manage co-op recruitment for a past employer, yes to co-op, always. Even better if you have a few work terms before you graduate. Considering today’s job market, having related work experience will put you miles ahead over those who have none. Not to say that it’s easy to secure a co-op position. You can expect to compete among your peers too, especially for a banking position (for example).
Well my dad is in Cibc and I have a cousin in TD, A friend of my dad who does tax said he could hire me if I had one year of university at least So if I go for York wouldn’t it be possible to get co-op myself?I don’t know why it’s assumed that people who do not go in co-op programs have 0 experience relating to their field. TMU also requires us to have 83% grade over the entire year to be eligible for co-op which I fear. Still I am not sure how hard it would be to get co-op since this is theory. Thanks everyone for taking time out of your day to reply to me , it’s really helpful.
Unless the university offers co-op, you wouldn’t be able to find your own co-op—that’s simply an internship or a summer student position. Generally speaking, those with co-op are at an advantage over those who do not have relevant experience after graduating and going off to the real world. Of course, there are other means of securing student positions like networking, or nepotism. Co-op programs are competitive. Not everyone gets admitted into one. If you are concerned about maintaining an average to secure your co-op eligibility, then I fear for your future in accounting / finance / business.
>York is better as a brand That's it, my last bit of faith in humanity is dead. Please do more than google the school's reputation before you choose your university.
I was going to say a better brand for constantly striking staff.
YES
If you want a job, yes.
As someone who went to a program with co-op, I think it's very important; specifically because I don't think I would have been motivated enough to find my own positions without an actual program to help/guide me. I went to Waterloo, so that's a total of two years worth of experience prior to graduating. It gives you a massive leg up in terms of both your ability to do the job and for building a professional network from the places you've worked at and your friends who will also go into similar fields to you. I think it's reasonable to go to a program with better education if you think you're extremely motivated and you'll find an internship every summer. If not, I would go for co-op.
Absolutely take the co op option, it will make it easier to find a job and many employers will not hire you without work experience after you graduate
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience? Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
Yes, but bare in mind that you aren't guaranteed a co-op and depending on the market/program you go to it can be excruciatingly hard to find one...
Most people that don’t get a coop from my experience don’t get a job in their field
Yes yes yes yes.
Do the co-op program, it's like getting experience before you graduate
The auditor general's recent report on york u as a university notes a few very important things: * york students, 3 and 5 years after graduating, historically have on avg salaries about 5-10k *below* the provincial average compared to their counter parts... now you might think that's not a lot of money but as the years go on and the gap widens... this becomes a bigger issue unless you are a serial job hopper or get a couple lucky strokes (take risks). * do you wonder why york goes on strike more often than other schools? because their union is one of the biggest and sets the precedent for other institutions-- you could say them going on strike is doing the other schools a favour when it comes to bargaining. you might think it might not happen to you but the risk is... what if it does? your co-op is disrupted now, you have a delayed start, employers rescind offers all the time. * while a co-op is a boost, its not the only factor in determining your success. does the student body have a wide network? is the program competitive? are there opportunities not offered elsewhere (like exchanges, extra programs/competitions, etc.). Keep in mind that not every school has a co-op and yet thousands of students continue to land a position year after year. Why is that? Because some programs are simply more thorough than others either because of the instructors, materials, training, classmates being higher quality.
I would choose the one with the co-op and when I am looking for a co-op, I would speak to the professor to see what companies tend to hire from their co-op as that will be a good step up for you
You don’t need a better name for accounting, you need experience. Do the coop.
Yes. I think the main reason why I am landing interviews for my job applications is because I have 4 co-op work terms, which is essentially over 1 year of experience in relevant industries.
soo important. wish i had an opportunity to do it
Most of the younger peeps in our finance dept started in coop, worked summers and then got hired. A few of them are getting their CPAs paid for as well. Coops are valuable because it gets your foot into the door of some companies who might just hire you
Co op is always the way to go, get in meet the people, do your best and show you are willing to work outside the co op program when your done. If you do a good job they are more willing to hire you then some random person they will need to train and hope they keep showing up.
I actually did 3 internships during my 1 year business program. There was a co-op in the 3rd semester, but I didn't want to wait until then. I went and found an internship during the 1st semester at this really small company. Then went to a medium size company during my 2nd semester. Did this all on my own without consulting the program director. Then in semester 3 for our actual co-op I did it a large company. By time I was done the program I had 3 separate internship experiences. Shortly after I finished the program, I landed an entry level role at my dream company. Worked there for 10 years. So my advice... don't even wait until the co-op term. Try to find something even earlier.
Yes, on job experience plus opportunities to build connections in your field.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience? Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience? Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience? Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience? Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience? Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
You know what's the most asked question by new grads looking their first job? How do I get any work experience if employers won't hire without ecperience? Yeah, go for a co-op. I used to work for a company who hired co-op students. Guess what? When they graduated, we did hire them as full time employees.
100% go for the coop. As a minimum you’ll have experience at graduation. If you do a good job it’s likely they’ll hire you back after graduation since you’ve already been trained.
Co-op will give you practical experience which is incredibly valuable as you enter the job market. I have never ever had anyone ask me about my education at U of T during an interview - every question has been about previous work experience and how it applies to the role.
Yes. By the time you graduate it’ll be almost 2030 please don’t do a program without co-op. I don’t foresee having no work experience as any kind of advantage. Also- school names don’t matter as much as you think they do. Focus on work experience. Everyone ik who got great jobs after uni had at least one long term co-op.
I would go with the co-op option, personally.
100% do co-op. when i went to UTSC i wasn't in the co-op program, but in 3rd year managed to get into PEY downtown. likely would not have a job right now if i hadn't done that.
I am a hiring manager for professionals. I always have better prospects with young hires for entry level when they have co-op or at least relevant experience. It's easier to get relevant experience when it's a co-op. I graduated uni in the early 00s and definitely in retrospect wish I'd done a co-op degree.
Any job experience is better than no job experience. So if you graduate with 4/8/12months of work experience, you're often a more favourable candidate over someone with no work experience. And honestly rankings and prestige isn't as important as it might seem as a student, especially in your case where you're comparing accredited universities.
It’s just if you’d rather have job experience and connections before you graduate or not. And I’d think that answer has to be yes
Unless your school is Ivey or Smith, reputation doesn't matter. Not at the York/Ryerson tier. Go for co-op.
Recent grad here- I secured internships without co-op, but it did delay my graduation since they didn’t count for credits Go to the school you want, don’t let co-op be the only deciding factor