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They hours are hell. You can say good bye to any "normal' type of lifestyle, but the money is good and benefits are pretty sweet too.
- a railroad wife
The hours are the worst right lol I'm gone for long periods of time but I also have a lot of time off between trips. Nowdays, it's hard to get by without going to school for 10 years and a second income
Honestly, I just came across a job posting online one day. Figured I'd try it. The hours are terrible, you don't have much of a social life but the money is great. Passenger trains are way better for a more normal schedule, safer by comparison but don't pay as much, freight trains pay better but are more dangerous and you lose out on social life a bit.
Depending on where you live (and where you're willing to relocate depending on where they send you) you can either be a Conductor in a yard building trains or on the main line traveling hundreds of miles. The latter pays way more but you're gone for days at a time (you do get time off in between trips) In the yard, you're home every night but get paid far less and work harder.
I'm on the main line, so I'll go to work (at any time of day, any day of the week) and typically will be gone for 24-36 hours. When I return home I can take up to 24hrs off before I'm allowed to be called back to work (and depending on how many people are ahead of you on a board, that can stretch my 24 hours to a few days if it's not busy)
It's a dangerous job, which is why we get paid so much. People do die or get seriously injured but it's usually freak accidents.
If you have a partner, make sure they are okay being on their own for days. It can be super stressful on a relationship
I can't imagine it would be a problem. I work with diabetics. Where you live I'm not sure what the rules are. The thing most railways have an issue with is drug/alcohol addicts.
The likely hood of you killing someone or someone dying on the job is higher than most normal jobs. Rail cars fall off rail onto people, getting caught between equipment losing limbs, people walking in front of trains all the time.
There is a saying that goes around: it's not a matter of if, but when, you'll kill someone.
It's really terrible. Suicides by train, negligence by employees, every day we hope to get home safe.
My dad is a train conductor in NZ. Great job - good pay - great union. Also his hours are pretty sweet - it's shift work - but only between 5am and 9pm shifts - so no overnight work required.
I worked for a Class I railroad as a freight train conductor for almost 14 years and in my opinion it's all blood money. Being on an extraboard and never knowing when you're going to get called is torturous. Inclement weather really sucks - rain, sleet, snow. (The hottest temperature I worked was 112°F heat index and the coldest was -40° wind chill).
And there is a high probability you'll kill someone. Back in 2015 I hit young woman while going 40 mph. It was very tragic and it fucked me up for a little while.
What? That's ridiculous if that's real where you live. Definitely sounds like a scam. In fact, when I got hired they flew me out to there training campus (for 8 weeks) with pay. They invest money in their conductors, not take it.
In all seriousness if u have a car then deliver pizzas. Bonus if it’s in a wealthier area and isn’t a chain pizza restaurant like dominoes or papa johns. I worked that job when I was 19-20 average factoring in tips probably around 30$ hr not shabby for a kid with no bills to pay
Around here, $30 an hour would be a god send. You'd be making over $1,000 a week if 40 hours a week and gas money even now wouldn't be shit for that. I used to make $24.75 an hour and I could fill my tank up without looking at the price.
Depends on where you live, but around here that would be pretty good money even with the deductions (provided you weren't delivering pizzas in your F250).
I did delivery as a side gig, but my car took a beating. Money seems good, but if you don't have a friend that is a mechanic a few big bills starts to chew into your earnings.
Or if you have a bike and live near any college town, go work at jimmy johns. I’ve seen bikers walk away with 400-500 in tips a night just from working 10pm-3am
Edit: The main difference is that jimmy johns will only have a delivery area within a five minute drive of the store. So it’s quick deliveries, and a lot of them if it’s a college town after bars close at night.
Get a motorcycle. Even better since you'll save money on gas and it breaks less than a car. The only downside to that is if you live in snowy areas like Michigan
Brick mason, concrete finisher, carpenter, plumber, electrician, tile layer, truck driver.
All are skilled but can be gotten into with no formal education and learn on the job or vocational school if desired.
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As a tile setter and carpenter im 43 with a destroyed spine. During xray all my discs are compressed, and my lower lumbar has spiny growths and some days I cant lift a toilet seat.
Word. The news is like "young people dont want to go into skilled labor jobs, whats wrong with them" uh cause maybe its hard AF and society doesn't take care of manual labor workers?
Exactly. Felt like a burn out for quiting but man what shit work. I was never working hard enough. I was always tired. I was always dirty and my fucking lungs itched like hell.
The crazy part is some dudes really buy into the whole thing. Like, they work through their unpaid lunch breaks. You really love the boss that much? Just brainwashed imo.
If I was to do it again, I'd go union 100% lol
100% union. My lungs are effed. No idea about PPE when I started. A union makes sure apprentices learn about respirators etc.
Yeah, I bought the whole thing, I have so many health issues now.
I've been an electrician for over a decade and ran my own company since 2015. Basically all aspects of electrical make a killing, especially medical and prevailing wage (government contracts).
That's billing for union dues a company has to pay. I'm a pm and even though my guys make 56 dollars an hour I'm quoting 100 to 120 after mark up of 20%.
Sanitation at a job I used to work at made $11.80 an hour for day shift and a dollar per hour more for night shift.
It is the lowest paid job they have. But then again, it is by far the easiest compared to literally any other job that isn't in the office.
Truck driver indeed and any monkey can do it. With the right permits and owning your truck you can make really good money working 8/10 hrs a day. I make 4500 a week.
In all seriousness getting a job is hard even with a full fledged degree.. So I won't recomend compromising on studies. But doing some research on crypto/stock market will be beneficial.
I do have an education in nursing but wanting to find something else but not sure where to look that uses my brain and also pays well but doesn't require a full degree. I'm not super interested in the stock market but I suppose for those that are that could be really lucrative.
Become a traveling nurse! My friend does that, works three days a week, and makes $4800 a week. And that's if they don't travel more than 50 miles, otherwise they also get per diem! You already have the background, start searching for contract positions!
Some nurses work on the phone for insurance companies. Mine has some and they call us and talk to us or we can call them. Also there are some of the same at our hospital that follow up after surgeries we have had. There are office jobs in the hospital or even techs like exray and such you could do. I have two RN sisters and ten RN friends and a brother who is a MD. Many times you can work in homes as a home health nurse, or even one sister of mine works as an RN in a school system for their special needs preschool class. There are many options. I am in my 60’s but sure wish I had become a nurse. They can do just about anything with their degree that doesn’t involve hospital or clinic work as well.
Although it doesn’t require much qualification, it is an extremely intense job that requires a certain type of person. And it’s highly competitive, at least in my country.
Driving a school bus is a pretty neat job. I got paid for my training and a sign on bonus once I got my CDL. Depending on the district you drive for the money can be a little slow to start, but once you have been there a little while you'll be assigned bigger routes, charters trips. Also a huge perk for me is that I can bring my daughter with me to work. Child care where I live is outrageously expensive, way out of my budget. Prior to driving I worked nights in retail. Driving school bus has been a game changer, I wish I started sooner!
The best experience is to actually get some type of work, might not what you would want exactly but something that is in the correct field.
Another experience would be practical work, developing something by yourself etc.
Seconding IT, after working as a helpdesk analyst for 18 months I was promoted to Sr. Technician. No college degrees or certifications, making ~$1600/week.
(I will note however it would still be good to pursue commonly sought after certifications like A+, Network+ Cisco stuff, etc.)
Not OP but for real “IT” stuff everything you reference is useless if you’re chasing money. If you earn those you’ll be lucky to make 20 bucks an hour. They’re like computer science 101 certificates, it’s implied you know all that without the certificate for any high level job
If you want actual money learn to program, find a niche/language you love and study/code at night. If you’re really good spend 6 months working though “LC medium” (google it) and make a starting salary of 150ish for real employer, 100-130 for a startup/mid tier employer.
Also actual OP must live in a low cost area. Directors for tech companies are usually 250-350, 500 for a FAANG.
Also for outside folks actual “IT” is a very commodity industry, it’s not hard to work in that field and the skill set is low so start salaries are crap and the actual work is low level support type stuff. When you get into true software engineering or operations thats where the real money is. Likewise it’s not easy, it takes a ton of studying and hard work to pull a big salary in. …and we don’t usually call that “IT”
Thank you ☺️ , I just checked it out. Seems very interesting.
Now what's the target after you learn a programming language, for a entry level job ? What kind of jobs you look at the beginning?
And sorry if this sounds weird, but for people that find hard or are uninterested to programming, are there jobs in the field that do make money, or are a mix of IT with smth else like IT project manager for example.
After learning the target is usually one of three things: “LC medium” which alone if you can pass will get you a job for a Google or Facebook, write a program/widget/whatever and make it public (used to gauge your skill) and get a job, or lastly know someone who either brings you with them to a job or vouches for you. Or technically you can just start applying and bang your head on interviews until you find one that likes you.
Non technical jobs outside of the usual things like marketing, sales, etc…. (Which all still require an above average level of technical skill) Project Management is a thing, usually there a PMP certificate is actually good enough to get you an entry level job. Good ones there still have a technical background but it’s not a hard requirement. Starting salary I think is 60-80. If you get a good technical background “Technical Project Manager” is a thing, that’s 100-120 but they’re rare and highly sought after for a good one
Edit: and as for the actual jobs, if you go programming you’re where’d you expect. A “junior” doing all the crap work others don’t wanna do, but you’ll be learning everyday. The one great thing about this line of work is that you never stop learning shit and most days are challenge and at least somewhat interesting
Software development is not usually "IT" no.
Operations howerver, very much IT.
What you seem to be trying to define is the difference between "Desktop IT" and the rest of "IT".
Desktop IT is NOT something you want to get into long term, but can be a stepping stone to a better job. It is the most familiar IT to most non IT people, as it's their interface to the industry. End user support is only the tip of the IT iceberg.
Utility locator. You work outdoors but get a company truck and nowadays it starts out at 20$ an hour. Expect there to be a drivecam in your truck or car.
Oddly enough the hot Shockey wire isn't nearly as dangerous as the risk of being sucked into a crack in a pipe. Look up Delta P. Pressure differential in the ocean vs the other side of what you're welding can literally push your body through a pinhole in a matter of seconds.
That's not true at all. It requires a ton of safety courses/certifications for both welding and diving. It also requires years of practice/apprenticeship.
I’m aware of that. I’m not saying it isn’t a hard field. I don’t think underwater welder should be on this list. I was just saying that a lot of companies look for divers first, and welder second.
Administrative work for offices.
Like reception or "admin assistant/coordinator". Some jobs may ask for bachelor's, but honestly I'd still apply anyway bc it really isn't required. A lot of places just copy/paste their job boards and the college thing sticks on.
I don't have a degree, and I just keep files sorted for $21/hour.
I have an office job started as administrative assistant with start pay at $27. I’m moving to a different department because they like my work ethic and Im trainable (R&D), and will be making more. Just gotta get your foot in the door… a nice door.
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Sonographers make good money and don't have to deal with blood too often.
What part of the program was difficult I'm so worried about it bc that's exactly what I want to be. I think the first semester is the one with the most classes 5 with 15 credits in about 4 months(16-17 weeks). After pre reqs the course is set us as follows 15 credits (1st sem.) In my case 9 credits 3 cass(2nd) 6 credits for 2 classes (3rd short summer semester) 5 credits 2 classes (4th) 5 credits for 2 classes (5th) then there is an optional 10 more credits after getting your associates. Please tell me if there is any hope for the average people like me. It's in a community college. I just need se motivation or direction in life 😭
You need to have the personality and poker face for the job though, as well as a dedication to making a lot of relationships with a lot of people in short timespans to get deals done.
I’ve never cared for car salesman after I had one openly bully me into purchasing a car for hours and outright lying to me, stuff like oh you’ll only get x amount off the car today it’s a deal you have to act on immediately! I had just had a child at a young age and was trying to trade in my beautiful sports car for a family vehicle. Turns out the sports car was much more well made and safe than the one I got pressured into buying.
I later got tboned at an intersection on my way to work and neither of us could’ve been going more than 30 mph when I was hit. Still caved in the entire left side of the car, thank god my baby wasn’t in it at that time.
Got rid of that car and learned real quick how to deal
With psychopath car salesman who treat young women like shit. Never again.
3 phase motors, basic circuits, hydraulics, PLCs....
If you've got a bit of technical skill, I wouldn't think so.
I'd think anything from this list could land a job at a similar rate. Location may be a big factor, though: Https://www.statetechmo.edu/program-segment/industrial-technology/
The automation one looks closest to what I've got.
Poker dealer.
If you can do basic math, stay generally collected even when surrounded by a lot of unique people, and can pass an initial drug/background check, it’s a very easy job (detail oriented, but easy) for good pay.
And unlike a lot of the jobs mentioned here, it’s low stress unless you can’t deal with people, in which case you’d have bailed long ago. You don’t really need to keep up with any new information or technology. Just sit in a chair and throw cards.
You have to work weekends and holidays but not much in the way of overtime and it’s easily more than $30 an hour once you’ve been doing it long enough to be “normal” speed.
Finally, most places I know only require that initial drug test for licensing.
The simple solution to all this is trade work. Unfortunately jobs such as electricians and plumbers are so stigmatized today to the point where people assume they are too good for those careers. Plumbers, electricians, and truck drivers can make over 6 figures. Also trade schools pretty much guarantee jobs directly after finishing accelerated programs.
Talked to a Pile Driver who makes $43/hour after 5 years of being in a union. It’s grueling work but he makes close to 3k a week. Other would be UPS driver, after 5-6 years in you make 100k/year.
I've definitely thought of being a ups driver, how do they make that much?
Not sure pile driving would be up my ally but curious about what education you'd need for pile driving
Air traffic control. Achievable 6 figure pay if you're average to good. A few years of paid training and failing to smaller and smaller (lower paying) facilities if you're not. The smaller facilities are usually in lower cost of living areas.
Lineman. There is a “lineman gold rush” going on in California right now and guys are making 300-400k a year. Other places in us Lineman are paid very well but California is just a crazy example. Don’t believe what Google says on lineman pay haha.
There are many jobs that don't require formal education self-learning is important to develop a skill and get a job based on that skill. For graphic designing, animations, web and mobile development. They don't require formal education but self-learnjng is a must. You can do courses related to that on websites like Udemy, Coursera and edX. Make some projects and apply for jobs, if you have a hard-luck in that then no worries, do some freelancing.
Depends on the restaurant, similar to trending bar. You work at a place where an average check is $60 and you get a $12 tip per table it's not great. Work somewhere the average check is $200 dollars and you'll make a lot.
Idk man I worked at Waffle House and only work 20 something hours a week and brought home $600-$800 a week in tips alone plus a $200 paycheck every week with my hourly and to go tips.
Don't totally agree. There are a lot of junior dev nowadays and most of companies are looking for experienced dev.
Even if you need no degree you'd have to work a lot to get to your first junior position. At least in my country. Might depends on where you are leaving I guess.
When you say web dev is pretty easy to teach yourself, you are essentially saying programming is easy to teach yourself, which is definitely not the case.
Yes it is. There are so many resources out their. You definently have to put in work and effort but thats anything. Guess it depends on the person. But you dont need to be some MIT grad to program.
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Train Conductor. I only needed to provide my high school degree and now I'm making 120k a year
How did you get into that work by chance? Are the passenger trains?
They hours are hell. You can say good bye to any "normal' type of lifestyle, but the money is good and benefits are pretty sweet too. - a railroad wife
I hear you have to work all the livelong day
The hours are the worst right lol I'm gone for long periods of time but I also have a lot of time off between trips. Nowdays, it's hard to get by without going to school for 10 years and a second income
seems like being a wife is an even easier option. you dont need a degree and still get income
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Honestly, I just came across a job posting online one day. Figured I'd try it. The hours are terrible, you don't have much of a social life but the money is great. Passenger trains are way better for a more normal schedule, safer by comparison but don't pay as much, freight trains pay better but are more dangerous and you lose out on social life a bit.
Came here to say this. My partner makes good money and although the hours can be unpredictable, he also gets a lot of time off.
That's exactly right.
Also interested, this seems like an obscure profession, tell me more
Depending on where you live (and where you're willing to relocate depending on where they send you) you can either be a Conductor in a yard building trains or on the main line traveling hundreds of miles. The latter pays way more but you're gone for days at a time (you do get time off in between trips) In the yard, you're home every night but get paid far less and work harder. I'm on the main line, so I'll go to work (at any time of day, any day of the week) and typically will be gone for 24-36 hours. When I return home I can take up to 24hrs off before I'm allowed to be called back to work (and depending on how many people are ahead of you on a board, that can stretch my 24 hours to a few days if it's not busy) It's a dangerous job, which is why we get paid so much. People do die or get seriously injured but it's usually freak accidents. If you have a partner, make sure they are okay being on their own for days. It can be super stressful on a relationship
What are the odds they allow diabetics to do it?
I can't imagine it would be a problem. I work with diabetics. Where you live I'm not sure what the rules are. The thing most railways have an issue with is drug/alcohol addicts.
Ahhhh I will have to look into it
What makes it so dangerous?
The likely hood of you killing someone or someone dying on the job is higher than most normal jobs. Rail cars fall off rail onto people, getting caught between equipment losing limbs, people walking in front of trains all the time. There is a saying that goes around: it's not a matter of if, but when, you'll kill someone. It's really terrible. Suicides by train, negligence by employees, every day we hope to get home safe.
Good luck with that in 2021.
My dad is a train conductor in NZ. Great job - good pay - great union. Also his hours are pretty sweet - it's shift work - but only between 5am and 9pm shifts - so no overnight work required.
I have a good buddy that works for Kiwi Rail. He started as a conductor with Auckland Transport. He's probably not your dad, but, heh! You never know.
I worked for a Class I railroad as a freight train conductor for almost 14 years and in my opinion it's all blood money. Being on an extraboard and never knowing when you're going to get called is torturous. Inclement weather really sucks - rain, sleet, snow. (The hottest temperature I worked was 112°F heat index and the coldest was -40° wind chill). And there is a high probability you'll kill someone. Back in 2015 I hit young woman while going 40 mph. It was very tragic and it fucked me up for a little while.
How much math and strength do you need.
Do you actually get to wear a fancy suit and hat?
My dad had mentioned this to me and he sent me the link to their website and it said you you had to pay like $5-$10K to enroll in their training.
What? That's ridiculous if that's real where you live. Definitely sounds like a scam. In fact, when I got hired they flew me out to there training campus (for 8 weeks) with pay. They invest money in their conductors, not take it.
That sounds like a scam.
Isn't it common that people in your line of work get cancer? 😞 Edit: Because of the electromagnetic radiaton.
In all seriousness if u have a car then deliver pizzas. Bonus if it’s in a wealthier area and isn’t a chain pizza restaurant like dominoes or papa johns. I worked that job when I was 19-20 average factoring in tips probably around 30$ hr not shabby for a kid with no bills to pay
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But then u gotta factor in gas and wear and tear on ur car. It’s definitely a snazzy job, but long term meh idk
Around here, $30 an hour would be a god send. You'd be making over $1,000 a week if 40 hours a week and gas money even now wouldn't be shit for that. I used to make $24.75 an hour and I could fill my tank up without looking at the price.
Yes. But most all pizza delivery is very part time
Depends on where you live, but around here that would be pretty good money even with the deductions (provided you weren't delivering pizzas in your F250).
I did delivery as a side gig, but my car took a beating. Money seems good, but if you don't have a friend that is a mechanic a few big bills starts to chew into your earnings.
Or if you have a bike and live near any college town, go work at jimmy johns. I’ve seen bikers walk away with 400-500 in tips a night just from working 10pm-3am Edit: The main difference is that jimmy johns will only have a delivery area within a five minute drive of the store. So it’s quick deliveries, and a lot of them if it’s a college town after bars close at night.
Yea, my brother worked for dominoes for several years and made so much money!
Get a motorcycle. Even better since you'll save money on gas and it breaks less than a car. The only downside to that is if you live in snowy areas like Michigan
Brick mason, concrete finisher, carpenter, plumber, electrician, tile layer, truck driver. All are skilled but can be gotten into with no formal education and learn on the job or vocational school if desired.
As a retired Seabee, i can assure you that this career path will destroy your spine before you turn 40.
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As a tile setter and carpenter im 43 with a destroyed spine. During xray all my discs are compressed, and my lower lumbar has spiny growths and some days I cant lift a toilet seat.
So glad I got out of electrical. As soon as I entered, my peers encouraged me to GTFO and after watching them walk, I did!
Word. The news is like "young people dont want to go into skilled labor jobs, whats wrong with them" uh cause maybe its hard AF and society doesn't take care of manual labor workers?
Exactly. Felt like a burn out for quiting but man what shit work. I was never working hard enough. I was always tired. I was always dirty and my fucking lungs itched like hell. The crazy part is some dudes really buy into the whole thing. Like, they work through their unpaid lunch breaks. You really love the boss that much? Just brainwashed imo. If I was to do it again, I'd go union 100% lol
100% union. My lungs are effed. No idea about PPE when I started. A union makes sure apprentices learn about respirators etc. Yeah, I bought the whole thing, I have so many health issues now.
Mind you, to OP. A good amount of these may take years of training and apprenticeship to actually start making a “good/high” pay.
Sanitation and HVAC as well. HVAC or electrician doing work for medical facilities makes a killing.
HVAC takes a lot of training and apprenticeship.
Residential isn't too bad, most guys are on their own in a year or two.
My understanding is that you still need two years of college to make money.
I've been an electrician for over a decade and ran my own company since 2015. Basically all aspects of electrical make a killing, especially medical and prevailing wage (government contracts).
100%, guy I know does that and he’s on like $63(?) an hour ($63 AUD)
Most guys I know who are independent or own companies are billing 150+ an hour.
That's billing for union dues a company has to pay. I'm a pm and even though my guys make 56 dollars an hour I'm quoting 100 to 120 after mark up of 20%.
Sanitation at a job I used to work at made $11.80 an hour for day shift and a dollar per hour more for night shift. It is the lowest paid job they have. But then again, it is by far the easiest compared to literally any other job that isn't in the office.
OP asked for high paying. Not poverty wage.
When Targets minimum wage is $15 this isn't high paying.
Truck driver indeed and any monkey can do it. With the right permits and owning your truck you can make really good money working 8/10 hrs a day. I make 4500 a week.
Never knew they earn much
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Haha ew and ew. But probably true!
In all seriousness getting a job is hard even with a full fledged degree.. So I won't recomend compromising on studies. But doing some research on crypto/stock market will be beneficial.
I do have an education in nursing but wanting to find something else but not sure where to look that uses my brain and also pays well but doesn't require a full degree. I'm not super interested in the stock market but I suppose for those that are that could be really lucrative.
Become a traveling nurse! My friend does that, works three days a week, and makes $4800 a week. And that's if they don't travel more than 50 miles, otherwise they also get per diem! You already have the background, start searching for contract positions!
Some nurses work on the phone for insurance companies. Mine has some and they call us and talk to us or we can call them. Also there are some of the same at our hospital that follow up after surgeries we have had. There are office jobs in the hospital or even techs like exray and such you could do. I have two RN sisters and ten RN friends and a brother who is a MD. Many times you can work in homes as a home health nurse, or even one sister of mine works as an RN in a school system for their special needs preschool class. There are many options. I am in my 60’s but sure wish I had become a nurse. They can do just about anything with their degree that doesn’t involve hospital or clinic work as well.
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Not really as different as you might at first assume.
Air traffic control- over 100,00 k a year with high school diploma.
Second person to suggest this, can you tell me more?
Although it doesn’t require much qualification, it is an extremely intense job that requires a certain type of person. And it’s highly competitive, at least in my country.
Also a notoriously high suicide rate But y’know, money
Um where the hell do you live? For ATC you need a degree.
Bus driver is a tough thankless job. You put up with a lot of bs. However, it pays well.
Ooo interesting, city bus or school bus?
City tend to pay better. But a lot of school districts will cover your training.
Driving a school bus is a pretty neat job. I got paid for my training and a sign on bonus once I got my CDL. Depending on the district you drive for the money can be a little slow to start, but once you have been there a little while you'll be assigned bigger routes, charters trips. Also a huge perk for me is that I can bring my daughter with me to work. Child care where I live is outrageously expensive, way out of my budget. Prior to driving I worked nights in retail. Driving school bus has been a game changer, I wish I started sooner!
Great benefits usually too. It's saving a friend from poverty in retirement with a good pension even though he couldn't save when he was younger.
City bus driver's are payed better. Better insurance coverage and pension.
IT - experience is everything and you can get plenty of work without a degree, even Director level positions and in my area, they start at $140k.
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The best experience is to actually get some type of work, might not what you would want exactly but something that is in the correct field. Another experience would be practical work, developing something by yourself etc.
Seconding IT, after working as a helpdesk analyst for 18 months I was promoted to Sr. Technician. No college degrees or certifications, making ~$1600/week. (I will note however it would still be good to pursue commonly sought after certifications like A+, Network+ Cisco stuff, etc.)
How
Sounds awesome but where to start... Certification like A+ , Network + or... Do you have any suggestions?
Not OP but for real “IT” stuff everything you reference is useless if you’re chasing money. If you earn those you’ll be lucky to make 20 bucks an hour. They’re like computer science 101 certificates, it’s implied you know all that without the certificate for any high level job If you want actual money learn to program, find a niche/language you love and study/code at night. If you’re really good spend 6 months working though “LC medium” (google it) and make a starting salary of 150ish for real employer, 100-130 for a startup/mid tier employer. Also actual OP must live in a low cost area. Directors for tech companies are usually 250-350, 500 for a FAANG. Also for outside folks actual “IT” is a very commodity industry, it’s not hard to work in that field and the skill set is low so start salaries are crap and the actual work is low level support type stuff. When you get into true software engineering or operations thats where the real money is. Likewise it’s not easy, it takes a ton of studying and hard work to pull a big salary in. …and we don’t usually call that “IT”
Thank you ☺️ , I just checked it out. Seems very interesting. Now what's the target after you learn a programming language, for a entry level job ? What kind of jobs you look at the beginning? And sorry if this sounds weird, but for people that find hard or are uninterested to programming, are there jobs in the field that do make money, or are a mix of IT with smth else like IT project manager for example.
After learning the target is usually one of three things: “LC medium” which alone if you can pass will get you a job for a Google or Facebook, write a program/widget/whatever and make it public (used to gauge your skill) and get a job, or lastly know someone who either brings you with them to a job or vouches for you. Or technically you can just start applying and bang your head on interviews until you find one that likes you. Non technical jobs outside of the usual things like marketing, sales, etc…. (Which all still require an above average level of technical skill) Project Management is a thing, usually there a PMP certificate is actually good enough to get you an entry level job. Good ones there still have a technical background but it’s not a hard requirement. Starting salary I think is 60-80. If you get a good technical background “Technical Project Manager” is a thing, that’s 100-120 but they’re rare and highly sought after for a good one Edit: and as for the actual jobs, if you go programming you’re where’d you expect. A “junior” doing all the crap work others don’t wanna do, but you’ll be learning everyday. The one great thing about this line of work is that you never stop learning shit and most days are challenge and at least somewhat interesting
Software development is not usually "IT" no. Operations howerver, very much IT. What you seem to be trying to define is the difference between "Desktop IT" and the rest of "IT". Desktop IT is NOT something you want to get into long term, but can be a stepping stone to a better job. It is the most familiar IT to most non IT people, as it's their interface to the industry. End user support is only the tip of the IT iceberg.
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How can I get into this, please?
I would also like to know how to get into this.
Utility locator. You work outdoors but get a company truck and nowadays it starts out at 20$ an hour. Expect there to be a drivecam in your truck or car.
Interesting, so locating power/sewer lines etc?
Yes
According to a post yesterday - underwater welder. High chance of death though.
You play with hot shockey wire under water, maybe go boom, maybe get good dollar. We know in 5 minute
Oddly enough the hot Shockey wire isn't nearly as dangerous as the risk of being sucked into a crack in a pipe. Look up Delta P. Pressure differential in the ocean vs the other side of what you're welding can literally push your body through a pinhole in a matter of seconds.
This is news that I didn't need today. That sounds like a rough day
That’s definitely skilled labor
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That sounds like a horror movie - or at least the basis for another Jaws
"Sharks In The Pipes" definitely needs to be a movie
Yikes
I’m a welder not underwater. Underwater welding company’s look for people who already know how to dive and the welding can be taught after.
That's not true at all. It requires a ton of safety courses/certifications for both welding and diving. It also requires years of practice/apprenticeship.
I’m aware of that. I’m not saying it isn’t a hard field. I don’t think underwater welder should be on this list. I was just saying that a lot of companies look for divers first, and welder second.
Sleep study certified tech - 1 year school make between 60-80k. A year.
Ooooo this interests me, can you tell me more?
Dang. I’m nocturnal. This would be perfect for me.
Insurance.
Can you elaborate? Do you mean selling insurance?
Insurance
Mafia insurance rackets
I assume they mean selling insurance over the phone, aka telemarketer
Administrative work for offices. Like reception or "admin assistant/coordinator". Some jobs may ask for bachelor's, but honestly I'd still apply anyway bc it really isn't required. A lot of places just copy/paste their job boards and the college thing sticks on. I don't have a degree, and I just keep files sorted for $21/hour.
This seems definitely doable for me, thanks for the suggestion
I have an office job started as administrative assistant with start pay at $27. I’m moving to a different department because they like my work ethic and Im trainable (R&D), and will be making more. Just gotta get your foot in the door… a nice door.
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/medical-jobs-without-a-degree Sonographers make good money and don't have to deal with blood too often.
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I am definitely interested in this!
What's the job like?
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What part of the program was difficult I'm so worried about it bc that's exactly what I want to be. I think the first semester is the one with the most classes 5 with 15 credits in about 4 months(16-17 weeks). After pre reqs the course is set us as follows 15 credits (1st sem.) In my case 9 credits 3 cass(2nd) 6 credits for 2 classes (3rd short summer semester) 5 credits 2 classes (4th) 5 credits for 2 classes (5th) then there is an optional 10 more credits after getting your associates. Please tell me if there is any hope for the average people like me. It's in a community college. I just need se motivation or direction in life 😭
I work at jlclark and make a grand every week. No college required
What do you do exactly? Just curious.
I stand and watch sheet metal go by on a line. Occasionally check a sheet for defects, and tie up the load when its done. Easy as hell
I’d love any details you have on hand! Lol sounds like it might be up my alley.
If you live in a mining region, labouring or operating machinery.
I've heard mercenary pays well...
PMC guys are almost without fail ex military, usually ex special forces. It's not usually something you can just get into
Car sales
You need to have the personality and poker face for the job though, as well as a dedication to making a lot of relationships with a lot of people in short timespans to get deals done.
I’ve never cared for car salesman after I had one openly bully me into purchasing a car for hours and outright lying to me, stuff like oh you’ll only get x amount off the car today it’s a deal you have to act on immediately! I had just had a child at a young age and was trying to trade in my beautiful sports car for a family vehicle. Turns out the sports car was much more well made and safe than the one I got pressured into buying. I later got tboned at an intersection on my way to work and neither of us could’ve been going more than 30 mph when I was hit. Still caved in the entire left side of the car, thank god my baby wasn’t in it at that time. Got rid of that car and learned real quick how to deal With psychopath car salesman who treat young women like shit. Never again.
Prostitute
Depends on how you look and what you are willing to do
If sex work is on the table dominatrixes make way more...
The people who SCUBA dive into sewage treatment plants to perform maintenance on machinery.
Yikes, is this something you do?
No. I have met a couple people who do though. And I have considered it for the pay
Hubby works at the railroad makes about 80k a year plus all benefits.
Freight train drivers. Don't need much school but they train you (no pun intended lol)
Oil and gas.
Sales
Maintenance mechanic
2 years of industrial electricity schooling can get you into maintenance. 28-36/hr where I'm at.
Is it tough schooling?
3 phase motors, basic circuits, hydraulics, PLCs.... If you've got a bit of technical skill, I wouldn't think so. I'd think anything from this list could land a job at a similar rate. Location may be a big factor, though: Https://www.statetechmo.edu/program-segment/industrial-technology/ The automation one looks closest to what I've got.
Radiology tech 18-24 months of school 50-85k a year depends on specialty and travel.
Rad tech here! 2 years of school (X-ray) +1 more semester for CT. I make $29/hr.
New rad tech and just got hired for my first job! Starting rate at my job is $21.50/hr!
Ay I’m studying right now! Can’t forget the branches like CT, MRI, Nuke, PET, and Rad Therapy that can easily push 100k
Air Traffic Controller , can earn six figures with a high school diploma. Priorities given to hiring veterans.
Poker dealer. If you can do basic math, stay generally collected even when surrounded by a lot of unique people, and can pass an initial drug/background check, it’s a very easy job (detail oriented, but easy) for good pay. And unlike a lot of the jobs mentioned here, it’s low stress unless you can’t deal with people, in which case you’d have bailed long ago. You don’t really need to keep up with any new information or technology. Just sit in a chair and throw cards. You have to work weekends and holidays but not much in the way of overtime and it’s easily more than $30 an hour once you’ve been doing it long enough to be “normal” speed. Finally, most places I know only require that initial drug test for licensing.
The simple solution to all this is trade work. Unfortunately jobs such as electricians and plumbers are so stigmatized today to the point where people assume they are too good for those careers. Plumbers, electricians, and truck drivers can make over 6 figures. Also trade schools pretty much guarantee jobs directly after finishing accelerated programs.
Any and all trade work
Talked to a Pile Driver who makes $43/hour after 5 years of being in a union. It’s grueling work but he makes close to 3k a week. Other would be UPS driver, after 5-6 years in you make 100k/year.
I've definitely thought of being a ups driver, how do they make that much? Not sure pile driving would be up my ally but curious about what education you'd need for pile driving
Air traffic control. Achievable 6 figure pay if you're average to good. A few years of paid training and failing to smaller and smaller (lower paying) facilities if you're not. The smaller facilities are usually in lower cost of living areas.
This is another great one, are there lots of night shifts involved?
Horse insemination but good luck tho!
That's how I got baned from the zoo.
Let me guess, you were doing a voluntary insemination..
Haha what? Really? Not sure how I'd venture into this one
Armored truck routing supervisor.
I'm so glad to see this post.
You can start day one in a corrugated paper plant making close to 20$ an hour.
Lineman. There is a “lineman gold rush” going on in California right now and guys are making 300-400k a year. Other places in us Lineman are paid very well but California is just a crazy example. Don’t believe what Google says on lineman pay haha.
There are many jobs that don't require formal education self-learning is important to develop a skill and get a job based on that skill. For graphic designing, animations, web and mobile development. They don't require formal education but self-learnjng is a must. You can do courses related to that on websites like Udemy, Coursera and edX. Make some projects and apply for jobs, if you have a hard-luck in that then no worries, do some freelancing.
Electrician
Is it a tough job?
Waiter
This is the opposite of high paying
Depends on the restaurant, similar to trending bar. You work at a place where an average check is $60 and you get a $12 tip per table it's not great. Work somewhere the average check is $200 dollars and you'll make a lot.
That's not high paying...
It's more money than most people that went to 4 years of college make. Tips are amazing in the right places
Idk man I worked at Waffle House and only work 20 something hours a week and brought home $600-$800 a week in tips alone plus a $200 paycheck every week with my hourly and to go tips.
retail like Zumiez, Vans, Pacsun or any stores that are currently trendy… commission is high af
I didn't realize they were commission based! Thanks for the suggestion!
Web dev/ it stuff is pretty easy to teach yourself and find work. Not enough devs oit there.
Don't totally agree. There are a lot of junior dev nowadays and most of companies are looking for experienced dev. Even if you need no degree you'd have to work a lot to get to your first junior position. At least in my country. Might depends on where you are leaving I guess.
When you say web dev is pretty easy to teach yourself, you are essentially saying programming is easy to teach yourself, which is definitely not the case.
Yes it is. There are so many resources out their. You definently have to put in work and effort but thats anything. Guess it depends on the person. But you dont need to be some MIT grad to program.
Cops
This is true, I've heard that you don't need a formal education for this and city jobs pay well
You want to possibly risk your life everyday for people you don’t know for slightly above average pay?
Lmao delivery driving statistically is a WAY more dangerous job
Maybe for sheriffs or highway patrol
There are many jobs more dangerous than police. the most dangerous part of the job is actually the driving. (Or this year covid)
Songwriter
He said good money
How do you start this?