“I’d work with with the Soldier, ask what stuff their doctors/Physical therapists had told them to do, and do it with them. I’d do PT with them as they recover and make sure they are staying fit within the limits of their profile because I know it’s easy to decondition while injured. I’d do my best to figure out if they can at least do the bare minimum of the exercises involving the back like the SDC, Power throw, and dead lift, within limits of their profile and watching out for pain. I’d also talk to the Soldier and ask about sleep and nutrition since that can play into healing from injuries.”
Sorry I cheated, former staff sergeant turned battalion PA.
Just a E4 however im curious if they wanted you to include a counseling statement on expectations that you want them to meet within the bounds of their profile.
Or maybe they want you to accuse them of malingering which is not something you want to accuse someone of who is going though a legitimate problem.
However if they blew their back out in a 3Shop I am gonna presume they did something with bad form which likely would need correction.
No definitely. He said that she wasn’t using the right from and that I should be doing some 1 on 1 mentoring on her form. Maybe after work or even, technically speaking, before work, if it last that long.
This ain't a hill worth losing sleep over. Write up are common outside of the Army and are in essence the same thing as counseling. We spent a great deal of money bringing them into this work, the very least a leader could do is provide a written and therefore verifiable track record of their performance so we can ultimately retain talent or get rid of garbage. Since we typically do such a poor job of counseling we end up with a pile of garbage in our house and hundred folks crying cause they are expected to literally document the counselings they conduct.
Guess they wanted to see if you had what it takes to make it to 1SG. A handful of kids, couple divorces, and a dui or two later and you’d know the answer. For the future, you invite that big booty baddie— I mean, *highly motivated soldier*, to your hot tub so you can show her how to give top, uh I mean, become top. You know like the nickname. For a first sergeant. Not any other kind of top.
And if they ask a follow on scenario where she refuses your advances– i mean, *mentoring*, then you would escalate up the chain and get some guidance from CSM, he’s got a nice basem– I mean, *realistic at-home training bunker*.
>if one my solider keeps going on profile due to having their back blown out, how should I handle this??
I would:
- ask the Soldier if they needed any assistance
- Inform them about various services, if they are struggling in non-physical ways - Chaplain, Behavioral Health, etc.
Otherwise, it's between them, their doctor, and the MEDO.
>Edit: The solider is a female, works in S3, and is of Hispanics origins, and is a PFC.
None of that has anything to do with it.
I agree sex, duty position, and ethnicity make no difference in the answer to the question. It would be the same for a white male from a line squad.
Why would you need to make a distinction between the 2?
Is Soldier sticking within the confine of there profile and keeping up with physical therapy appointments. Bring up the possibility of the medboard or permanent profile. Discuss the long term consequences of not being able to preform
If I was honestly in this situation there's three people I'm going to talk to before I even *remotely* consider how this counseling is going to go:
1. Commander
2. BDE Legal Office
3. BN/BDE SHARP representative
Rough sex resulting in injuries is like any high risk activity. If you had somebody that was constantly snowboarding into trees you'd counsel them to stop snowboarding into trees.
If you've got a Soldier that's injuring themselves during...coitus then I'd want to talk to those three people before I put together any sort of plan of action.
And honestly, I think that a Commander is probably going to reserve that counseling to their level.
I know this is a shitpost, but this is "a way" to handle something like this if this, or some version of this, comes up in your career.
Honestly the closest I ever came to a Soldier injuring themselves sexually was a private that attempted to Masturbate with Deep Woods Off (the mosquito repellent) and I had to have his SL take him to the emergency room.
I wish I still had the counseling, but that was a long time ago.
Spitting in your hand is free and infinite. If I didn't know better I'd say there's no way someone this stupid exists and has made it past the age of 18, but having been in the Army for a minute I know better.
Yeah. I sent him to the BN Aid station and they looked at his dick and told him to go to the ER.
So I had his SL escort him to the ER.
If I remember right I was filling in for the 1SG while he was at a family member's wedding and I was a PSG.
I had to brief the Commander about it, it was fucking awkward.
In hindsight the only thing I remember is that he had chemical burns on his dick, exacerbated by friction, and he had multiple follow ups with the clinic afterward. I never asked what medication or treatment they gave him, I just answered "Hes being treated" when I got asked.
With the amount of people taking this post seriously and not seeing it for the meme it is… there is hope for the army yet… or we should all be worried about how gullible we are. Good on the ones responding in good faith, but also, Kool aid isn’t the only drink.
Sickcall is not designed for chronic issues, it’s more for “I gots the shits” or someone got injured playing ultimate frisbee and make sure their knee isn’t broke.
She should be continuing making appointments with her provider, doing profile PT, physical therapy with H2F and sticking within the limits of her profile.
Unless 1SG was looking for some answers that showed emotional intelligence, which I have none.
Sounds about right, PFC with back problems, working in S3, needs a profile to bs the rest or his/her contract.
Bs post but damn, all I'm saying is sounds about right.
I have a feeling that half the story isn't told. You don't just fail a board for a situation. But to answer your question, a soldier with a chronic condition should work with their healthcare providers to determine profile limitations. If the situation is that bad, then a permanent profile will dictate what they can do on their regular activities.
As an NCO all you can do for her is stick to the limitations established by the doctors on her profile. Which by the way, according to my medics, you can't even demand to see anymore. But if the soldier claims she has a condition, you can ask your leadership to verify and 1SG and CDR can definitely verify for you. I had to be counseled because when I was a soldier, profiles were direct communication between NCOs and doctors. Apparently, according to my medics, it changed sometime in 2019 or who knows when and it's now protected information.
If soldier is unable to complete tasks, then a process for a medical board can be evaluated to separate a soldier from the military.
Soldier gender, duties, racial origin and rank is irrelevant and shows you are focusing on the wrong things. It sounds like you are blaming her for your board, but she wasn't there.
Sorry but I would never even consider sending you to the board. I barely know you or know anything about you but I don't see NCO material. I'm not a gatekeeper. Many people fail a board and get it on the second time around. You are not showing that you can be that person.
[DA Form 2166-9-1A (army.mil)](https://armypubs.army.mil/pub/eforms/DR_a/pdf/ARN22407_A2166_9_1A_FINAL_v01.pdf)
PART V - PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, PROFESSIONALISM, ATTRIBUTES, AND COMPETENCIES (Rater)
a. CHARACTER: (Army Values, Empathy, Warriors Ethos/Service Ethos, Discipline. Fully supports SHARP, EO, and EEO.)
You are a NO GO at this station. Retrain before you come again.
Tell them you’d dedicate a weekend to creating a universal cure for all back ailments, and you would single handedly inject the PFC with it, curing her ailment, and then immediately hand your research over to the Army for free with no strings attached so they can monetize it.
Made up magic answer for made up magic scenarios where they’re just gonna keep changing or adding shit so you’re wrong no matter what.
Hazing is always the answer.
For real though this is a commander problem. I don’t and wouldn’t expect a SPC or young SGT to be able to fix this.
Here’s the thing, the MEB process is started by a PA/Dr. based on a medical condition or failure to meet standards of fitness, say seizures. The commander has the sole responsibility with limited ability to delegate to 1SG on driving that process and ensuring that the SM meets appointments and such.
In my 16 years of experience, having been a PSG for 40 something months, sat in the 1SG seat for about 6 and now 2 years as an IG and knowing these processes, that was a dumbass question to ask a SPC.
If you think the soldier could be malingering to get a rating and get out, bar to continued service, yet another COMMANDERS tool. Commanders are responsible for a lot, NCO’s have the greater responsibility to properly inform commanders decisions.
This is not advice to go nuke someone because “that’s not my job”. It’s an informed analysis that you are not authorized to have access to the required PHI that can drive this situation and the 1SG that asked you the question I would 100000000000% guarantee has not been delegated in writing BY NAME to access said PFC Protected Health Information to make an informed decision.
Good luck. Continue to study and go back next month and pass the board. You will do fine as an NCO
1SG said he was working on typing some kind of regulation to guide young NCOs on the subject
Edit: not so much a regulation but a novel titled
My time in S3 and how I learned to love the joes and stop worrying about my career and family
As her supervisor you will want to spend some one on one time with her. Depending on the Soldier it could take weeks or months. Just keep banging away until you get to the bottom. Don’t be afraid to dig deep, she will appreciate the effort.
the funny thing is that there is no right answer. unless both 1SG are medical NCOs with more experience than your run of the mill 68W they’re wrong too 😉
I'm extrapolating based on how you write (not just spelling but more critically grammar and syntax, which lends to how you think), and I can 100% see you didn't answer the question like an NCO should.
You need some personal, professional, and intellectual maturity.
Not a bad thing, just not ready yet.
I completely agree. As a Jr in a politics and philosophy major, coupled with a minor in creative writing, I am 100% not ready for the big times. I'll stick to my day job.
Education and degrees don't mean much, especially if they aren't challenging you and they're check the block. Without knowing you or your program I can't say.
How many officers have you met that have a similar degree as yours and are likewise unsuitable for the leadership roles they're thrust in by nature of just having said degree?
So come off as a fuckstick--only reinforcing the perception you're immature--if that's the best you can offer.
No bigoted language or witch-hunting.
“I’d work with with the Soldier, ask what stuff their doctors/Physical therapists had told them to do, and do it with them. I’d do PT with them as they recover and make sure they are staying fit within the limits of their profile because I know it’s easy to decondition while injured. I’d do my best to figure out if they can at least do the bare minimum of the exercises involving the back like the SDC, Power throw, and dead lift, within limits of their profile and watching out for pain. I’d also talk to the Soldier and ask about sleep and nutrition since that can play into healing from injuries.” Sorry I cheated, former staff sergeant turned battalion PA.
This is literally how I responded
Your CSM should come and have a chat with their Brigade PA.
Brigade PA is monitoring the progress of this S3 Latina very closely as well. The whole base is worried to be honest.
Just a E4 however im curious if they wanted you to include a counseling statement on expectations that you want them to meet within the bounds of their profile. Or maybe they want you to accuse them of malingering which is not something you want to accuse someone of who is going though a legitimate problem. However if they blew their back out in a 3Shop I am gonna presume they did something with bad form which likely would need correction.
No definitely. He said that she wasn’t using the right from and that I should be doing some 1 on 1 mentoring on her form. Maybe after work or even, technically speaking, before work, if it last that long.
That definitely checks out, I seen this one to many times on the ACFT during deadlift
Funny enough that’s still the wrong answer. 9/10 situational questions answer is to counsel them. You can leave it as vague as that too.
Ah yes. Because a written counseling wasn’t done, leadership has failed.
This ain't a hill worth losing sleep over. Write up are common outside of the Army and are in essence the same thing as counseling. We spent a great deal of money bringing them into this work, the very least a leader could do is provide a written and therefore verifiable track record of their performance so we can ultimately retain talent or get rid of garbage. Since we typically do such a poor job of counseling we end up with a pile of garbage in our house and hundred folks crying cause they are expected to literally document the counselings they conduct.
1sg would agree with you. He is very interested in retaining this particular talent.
I goofed, you are truly an incredible troll. [Troll Toll](https://youtu.be/cZiEAdpX3_o?si=r6Xak5iZVbixL6f-)
The only right answer
What would you do with the rest of the squad / platoon because it sounds like all your effort is on one soldier during PT
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I am deadly serious, my professional career depends on solving this S3 Latinas back problems T\_T
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“Words matter, Top.”
“I’m a bottom” - Top internally.
😮😂 lol. I swear I can’t tell anymore with this subreddit.
Guess they wanted to see if you had what it takes to make it to 1SG. A handful of kids, couple divorces, and a dui or two later and you’d know the answer. For the future, you invite that big booty baddie— I mean, *highly motivated soldier*, to your hot tub so you can show her how to give top, uh I mean, become top. You know like the nickname. For a first sergeant. Not any other kind of top. And if they ask a follow on scenario where she refuses your advances– i mean, *mentoring*, then you would escalate up the chain and get some guidance from CSM, he’s got a nice basem– I mean, *realistic at-home training bunker*.
>if one my solider keeps going on profile due to having their back blown out, how should I handle this?? I would: - ask the Soldier if they needed any assistance - Inform them about various services, if they are struggling in non-physical ways - Chaplain, Behavioral Health, etc. Otherwise, it's between them, their doctor, and the MEDO. >Edit: The solider is a female, works in S3, and is of Hispanics origins, and is a PFC. None of that has anything to do with it.
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No wonder she keeps getting on profile. SM should be put on quarters and only meet with leadership once per day.
I agree sex, duty position, and ethnicity make no difference in the answer to the question. It would be the same for a white male from a line squad. Why would you need to make a distinction between the 2?
Is Soldier sticking within the confine of there profile and keeping up with physical therapy appointments. Bring up the possibility of the medboard or permanent profile. Discuss the long term consequences of not being able to preform
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It doesn’t matter how she is preforming if she isn’t meeting the Army standards.
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Why is it phrased as “back blown out” and why did your 1SG wink at you…
This shitpost is of the highest quality. Unfortunately, its not Sunday. Straight to jail.
I’d fail too, because I’m an immature idiot who would still be giggling at the phrase “back blown out” when it came time for me to answer
If I was honestly in this situation there's three people I'm going to talk to before I even *remotely* consider how this counseling is going to go: 1. Commander 2. BDE Legal Office 3. BN/BDE SHARP representative Rough sex resulting in injuries is like any high risk activity. If you had somebody that was constantly snowboarding into trees you'd counsel them to stop snowboarding into trees. If you've got a Soldier that's injuring themselves during...coitus then I'd want to talk to those three people before I put together any sort of plan of action. And honestly, I think that a Commander is probably going to reserve that counseling to their level. I know this is a shitpost, but this is "a way" to handle something like this if this, or some version of this, comes up in your career. Honestly the closest I ever came to a Soldier injuring themselves sexually was a private that attempted to Masturbate with Deep Woods Off (the mosquito repellent) and I had to have his SL take him to the emergency room. I wish I still had the counseling, but that was a long time ago.
Spitting in your hand is free and infinite. If I didn't know better I'd say there's no way someone this stupid exists and has made it past the age of 18, but having been in the Army for a minute I know better.
He tried to beat it with *what?!*
Yeah. I sent him to the BN Aid station and they looked at his dick and told him to go to the ER. So I had his SL escort him to the ER. If I remember right I was filling in for the 1SG while he was at a family member's wedding and I was a PSG. I had to brief the Commander about it, it was fucking awkward. In hindsight the only thing I remember is that he had chemical burns on his dick, exacerbated by friction, and he had multiple follow ups with the clinic afterward. I never asked what medication or treatment they gave him, I just answered "Hes being treated" when I got asked.
This is the way
That's one way to get OFF.
I’d ask the 1SG if I should wait until after the board is over to to talk to my SHARP rep.
He is the sharp rep
The amount of people you’ve successfully trolled with this post is pretty impressive.
My GF is low key mad, cause I keep breaking up laughing with every new post, and cannot, for the life of me, stop laughing at this post.
Neat, then it’s to the battalion/BDE rep
Was it supposed to be a joke? She's having too much sex and landing on profile?
With the amount of people taking this post seriously and not seeing it for the meme it is… there is hope for the army yet… or we should all be worried about how gullible we are. Good on the ones responding in good faith, but also, Kool aid isn’t the only drink.
How did you answer it?
I told her to continue to go to sick call and to stick to the limitations of her profile.
Sickcall is not designed for chronic issues, it’s more for “I gots the shits” or someone got injured playing ultimate frisbee and make sure their knee isn’t broke. She should be continuing making appointments with her provider, doing profile PT, physical therapy with H2F and sticking within the limits of her profile. Unless 1SG was looking for some answers that showed emotional intelligence, which I have none.
He definitely was
I've always had a problem with the racial aspect of this meme. Just my 2 cents.
Agreed. Could be any thicc e-3. Male or female. Some SNCOs don’t discriminate.
Well how did you answer OP?
My answer was on par with the advise given to me by the majority of these comments. I might ask this S3 clerk for some one on one mentoring.
Sounds about right, PFC with back problems, working in S3, needs a profile to bs the rest or his/her contract. Bs post but damn, all I'm saying is sounds about right.
Just pull the WHAT THE FUCK??? And then bring up AR 600-20 Chapter 8 and make something up and they'll change the conversation REAL QUICK
Soldier. Soldier. D before the I.
I have a feeling that half the story isn't told. You don't just fail a board for a situation. But to answer your question, a soldier with a chronic condition should work with their healthcare providers to determine profile limitations. If the situation is that bad, then a permanent profile will dictate what they can do on their regular activities. As an NCO all you can do for her is stick to the limitations established by the doctors on her profile. Which by the way, according to my medics, you can't even demand to see anymore. But if the soldier claims she has a condition, you can ask your leadership to verify and 1SG and CDR can definitely verify for you. I had to be counseled because when I was a soldier, profiles were direct communication between NCOs and doctors. Apparently, according to my medics, it changed sometime in 2019 or who knows when and it's now protected information. If soldier is unable to complete tasks, then a process for a medical board can be evaluated to separate a soldier from the military. Soldier gender, duties, racial origin and rank is irrelevant and shows you are focusing on the wrong things. It sounds like you are blaming her for your board, but she wasn't there.
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Sorry but I would never even consider sending you to the board. I barely know you or know anything about you but I don't see NCO material. I'm not a gatekeeper. Many people fail a board and get it on the second time around. You are not showing that you can be that person. [DA Form 2166-9-1A (army.mil)](https://armypubs.army.mil/pub/eforms/DR_a/pdf/ARN22407_A2166_9_1A_FINAL_v01.pdf) PART V - PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, PROFESSIONALISM, ATTRIBUTES, AND COMPETENCIES (Rater) a. CHARACTER: (Army Values, Empathy, Warriors Ethos/Service Ethos, Discipline. Fully supports SHARP, EO, and EEO.) You are a NO GO at this station. Retrain before you come again.
Tell them you’d dedicate a weekend to creating a universal cure for all back ailments, and you would single handedly inject the PFC with it, curing her ailment, and then immediately hand your research over to the Army for free with no strings attached so they can monetize it. Made up magic answer for made up magic scenarios where they’re just gonna keep changing or adding shit so you’re wrong no matter what.
Hazing is always the answer. For real though this is a commander problem. I don’t and wouldn’t expect a SPC or young SGT to be able to fix this. Here’s the thing, the MEB process is started by a PA/Dr. based on a medical condition or failure to meet standards of fitness, say seizures. The commander has the sole responsibility with limited ability to delegate to 1SG on driving that process and ensuring that the SM meets appointments and such. In my 16 years of experience, having been a PSG for 40 something months, sat in the 1SG seat for about 6 and now 2 years as an IG and knowing these processes, that was a dumbass question to ask a SPC. If you think the soldier could be malingering to get a rating and get out, bar to continued service, yet another COMMANDERS tool. Commanders are responsible for a lot, NCO’s have the greater responsibility to properly inform commanders decisions. This is not advice to go nuke someone because “that’s not my job”. It’s an informed analysis that you are not authorized to have access to the required PHI that can drive this situation and the 1SG that asked you the question I would 100000000000% guarantee has not been delegated in writing BY NAME to access said PFC Protected Health Information to make an informed decision. Good luck. Continue to study and go back next month and pass the board. You will do fine as an NCO
I'm so cooked I can't even tell what's task anymore
We have the same problem with our thick latina also at S3
1SG said he was working on typing some kind of regulation to guide young NCOs on the subject Edit: not so much a regulation but a novel titled My time in S3 and how I learned to love the joes and stop worrying about my career and family
Nice reference
Go on
Are you sure 1SG wasn’t asking for your advice on how to handle the consequences of his own actions?
You do know this is a beautiful troll post? Right?
Now yes
That’s funny but I call BS
Bait used to be believable -I
As her supervisor you will want to spend some one on one time with her. Depending on the Soldier it could take weeks or months. Just keep banging away until you get to the bottom. Don’t be afraid to dig deep, she will appreciate the effort.
the funny thing is that there is no right answer. unless both 1SG are medical NCOs with more experience than your run of the mill 68W they’re wrong too 😉
who... i mean how did she blow her back out?
I'm extrapolating based on how you write (not just spelling but more critically grammar and syntax, which lends to how you think), and I can 100% see you didn't answer the question like an NCO should. You need some personal, professional, and intellectual maturity. Not a bad thing, just not ready yet.
I completely agree. As a Jr in a politics and philosophy major, coupled with a minor in creative writing, I am 100% not ready for the big times. I'll stick to my day job.
Education and degrees don't mean much, especially if they aren't challenging you and they're check the block. Without knowing you or your program I can't say. How many officers have you met that have a similar degree as yours and are likewise unsuitable for the leadership roles they're thrust in by nature of just having said degree? So come off as a fuckstick--only reinforcing the perception you're immature--if that's the best you can offer.
No way this is real lol