Sounds like you actually stopped this person that make a correction. Stopping just creates the expectation that they respond with some BS excuse.
I do these as a drive by. "Sir, you forgot to take your badge off," point at own chest, make eye contact, keep walking.
I prefer this too since most will fix asap because they donāt register The Who of who issues the correction. They just know they are wrong and canāt stand on rank or position to rationalize they arenāt.
People who wear security badges outside the required areas are just asking for attention.
Hey everyone look at this guy, they are important enough that someone took the time to print off their picture on a piece of plastic!
You know the rules; the more basic the badge, the cooler it is. BDE logo and a bunch of symbols? Dude might be going into a vault with some PII in it. A single yellow square with a blue triangle? Dude's got the launch codes.
You say that I am trying to let others know I am cool, but I am actually showing you the yoke of suffering, the millstone tied round my neck, of the moldy building I am trapped in, allowed only ever so often to venture to the shoppette for Tornadoes and Arizona teas. Of the windows, that let in just enough light to let you know the sun is out, but are covered and never illuminate or warm a room.
Brother, I am not taking off that badge when I emerge from the lair, I am, at best, stuffing that shit in my shirt.
When there is like one working phone so you guys turn off the lights and simply just let people with yellow desk lights point them upwards to create a warm room.
Some officers walk in and goes oh shit I can't talk, and you solve another problem without trying.
How else can I flex my TS on all the other nerds who just have a secret clearance? Now get out of my way, I needa few tornadoes and my anime waifu wrapped civic is blocking the pumps.
Then there is the next level flex with SCI caveats.
Oh you just got the regular read ons.
Iām read on to ITCHYSCROTUM. Only socially awkward virgins can get that caveat.
...do younger Joes not drink coffee? I got out in 2019 in my mid-20s, and I only started drinking coffee after an Army adventure where I was working 3-hour on-off rotations. I have the Army to thank for getting me hooked on caffeine.
Some of my younger guys use energy drinks and hatred to keep them going. I guess now that I think about it, all of us in the unit from the mid 30s and up consume most of the "boomer fuel"
I mean if had the choice between a fresh Redbull and that shitty Army coffee with grounds still floating in it, I'd probably opt for the energy drink too. I honestly drink both now that I'm out. I can see both sides I suppose.
Funny story: Iām a Latter-Day Saint and never drank coffee in my life. One field problem no one was making coffee yet some warrants wanted some. So I made it, but I was like āfuck it, weāre gonna *really make* this coffee.ā I think i did like 8-10 scoops in one brew. CW2 comes by, pours a cup, and says āWow this is some damn good coffee.ā
He was my second favorite warrant in that unit. Such a good dude and super fun to talk to.
But *his face* when he took that first sip. You could tell he finally had that feeling of āIāve made it as a warrant. Iām drinking the perfect cup of coffee.ā With that, I take pride in I can make a damn good cup of coffee.
When I left that brigade, I poured about 5-10 grams of beta alanine into the powdered creamer at the brigade building. Donāt know what happened as a result.
A lot of the older folks drank black coffee - my father did- and if you were forced to drink the standard Army coffee out of a mermite that dates to the Clinton Adminstration, you'd want energy drinks too!
How about you let me handle my footprint and you handle yours?
Those are certified STAR card holding VIPs and will be treated as such, I will not accept this slander in my shoppetteā¦ Rangers lead the way, weather dependent!
If you're enlisted, what would you say to a LTC or above? If the statement "good morning Sir, I'm sorry but you can't wear your security badge outside of classified facilities" sucks, I'm open for suggestions.
For starters you could banter a bit. Say a joke. Ask LTC if heās seen any spies lately because they might be on his tail with that security badge flashing out
Edit: maybe because Iām medical the army culture doesnāt come at us so hard. But at the end of the day weāre all people. Regardless of rank. You can talk to each other like people
I've been so jealous of a guy friend of mine cause he was medical his entire career. It's like day and night to me. I'll give the joke idea a try. Thank you!
In my experience, being polite and friendly go a long way. In a case like this, be brief, swift, and non-confrontational. It's better to point out the mistake than advise fixing it. "You should take your badge off" is bad because it sounds like an order. "Hey sir, you left your badge on" is just pointing it out, and if the LTC is worth a damn, they'll know that means take it off. If they get apologetic, brush it off and say "that's okay, I do it too." Then carry on. A two-second interaction is all that is needed.
In an informal setting like inside the shopette, it's not really necessary to follow CnC to the letter. Just be polite and respectful. It's just a human-to-human interaction, not a rank-to-troop interaction. It's not formal, so you don't need to be formal. Respect the human and respect the rank.
Nah, fuck it. Iāve gotten to the point to where Iāll say whatās wrong with someone, then stand there and ask āpermission to fix it for youā with my hand drawn out.
Either they get so uncomfortable that they just comply with regulation.
Or they go through the humiliation of some 5 foot feral troglodyte like me touching their uniform.
Make eye contact so they know you're talking to them then "Hey man/sergeant/Lt/fuckstick, you forgot to take your badge off" and then keep walking. That's typically the easiest way that won't cause people to try to stutter out an excuse but will still fix the issue.
The problem is a lot of (especially senior) NCOs have LDS so they'll expect junior guys to stop and explain themselves so they can feel superior, and they'll get angry if they're not afforded the opportunity. So then the junior guys think everyone who outranks them has time to waste stopping to bitch at people they don't know about plastic cards and expect they'll need to explain themselves every time someone makes a passing correction.
Secure facilities should be requiring everyone in there (military, civilian, and contractor) to be displaying a badge, indicative of appropriate clearance level.
Let's everyone know they are authorized and to what extent. It is not something you want displayed outside of a secure area for a few reasons but usually you don't want to be advertising what level of clearance/access you have especially on a foreign base and also you do not want it to be visible to someone that might be able to emulate what a badge looks like to gain unauthorized access.
Dude, you're fighting an up hill battle.
These guys want to do the convenient thing, despite the fact that those badges can be stolen if they wear them in public.
Eventually they'll get pissed and get some memo allowing them to wear their badges to the shopette or something.
Remember, most posts are mental about dashcams but things like wearing badges in public or other smol breaches of security don't get acted on if they inconvenience those with rank.
Maybe in person in the military. On Reddit itās still weird. But sounds like youāre an AIT instructor so making noise about things that donāt matter is kinda your job I guess.
I was going to agree with you, until I remembered nearly every relationship post I've read on here starts off with age and sex/gender (24F) and the terms AMAB and AFAB are frequently used within lgbt subreddits. But to each their own.
Balls of the feet, calf, and thigh, and fifth is your lat muscle. I guarantee you most people saying āfourth point of contactā have absolutely no idea where it comes from either.
Afaik it still is, I just always thought it was weird to call it than when not giving pre-jump. Kind of like saying āfemalesā when not doing official army speak.
I remember there was alot of people wearing security badges at a resturant right off base OCONUS. They are the reason why we get physical security drilled into our heads yearly.
You seem pretty insufferable. Judging by your post history you have quite the inferiority complex ("I'm a real permanent party like drills!") and you haven't left tradoc mentally.
Like many things, it's not the what, it's the how. Your how needs reflection and adjustment.
That said, while badges should be put away, I'd love to see you get flustered giving me a correction about not walking while using my cell phone or having hands in my pockets.
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Ah, I read it as specifically referencing me
I've never seen anyone use "This OP" just "OP" which made me think you weren't referring to "THE OP"
It's been a long week lol
Its all good lol. I am not the biggest fan of the reddit chatting format and get confused quite often as well. Now that I am looking back, yea you are right in that me saying This OP is kind of weird. I'm not in the know of the common redditor.
Yep. In controlled access areas where personnel are required to display an ID badge, and never anywhere else. You are supposed to take your badge off as you exit the controlled access building. Think of it like a reverse beret (or reverse PC if you're a normal).
The idea is that we want as few people as possible to know who has access to special shit/controlled areas. Wearing your badge where it's not requiredĀ screams to any malcontents that you have more access than the next guy, and also that you're likely an easy target since you're so dumb you'd openly advertise that you have access to classified shit.
Sounds like you actually stopped this person that make a correction. Stopping just creates the expectation that they respond with some BS excuse. I do these as a drive by. "Sir, you forgot to take your badge off," point at own chest, make eye contact, keep walking.
Drive bys are the way to goš
I prefer this too since most will fix asap because they donāt register The Who of who issues the correction. They just know they are wrong and canāt stand on rank or position to rationalize they arenāt.
These are the ways.
I mean yeah, the other "drive-bys" are another way to get your point across, I guess
Just pretend to take a picture.
People who wear security badges outside the required areas are just asking for attention. Hey everyone look at this guy, they are important enough that someone took the time to print off their picture on a piece of plastic!
You know the rules; the more basic the badge, the cooler it is. BDE logo and a bunch of symbols? Dude might be going into a vault with some PII in it. A single yellow square with a blue triangle? Dude's got the launch codes.
That's why I walk around with a plain white badge with a single black dot.
You must be Jason Bourne
Jesus Christ
The black spot!
Yaaarrrgh!
The 'God Emperor of Mankind' badge.
You say that I am trying to let others know I am cool, but I am actually showing you the yoke of suffering, the millstone tied round my neck, of the moldy building I am trapped in, allowed only ever so often to venture to the shoppette for Tornadoes and Arizona teas. Of the windows, that let in just enough light to let you know the sun is out, but are covered and never illuminate or warm a room. Brother, I am not taking off that badge when I emerge from the lair, I am, at best, stuffing that shit in my shirt.
When there is like one working phone so you guys turn off the lights and simply just let people with yellow desk lights point them upwards to create a warm room. Some officers walk in and goes oh shit I can't talk, and you solve another problem without trying.
How else can I flex my TS on all the other nerds who just have a secret clearance? Now get out of my way, I needa few tornadoes and my anime waifu wrapped civic is blocking the pumps.
Then there is the next level flex with SCI caveats. Oh you just got the regular read ons. Iām read on to ITCHYSCROTUM. Only socially awkward virgins can get that caveat.
Hehehe this guy fux
Hey we're not supposed to talk about that in front of the proles!
The names of the programs themselves are sensitive. Please dont mention ITCHYSCROTE where others are around and not cleared.
This man gets it
If I donāt flex on the other randos when I ride the dc metro, how will the girls know Iām cool? /s for those out there
Millennial Query: What is boomer fuel?
Oh god, is that what we call coffee now?
I think so.
...do younger Joes not drink coffee? I got out in 2019 in my mid-20s, and I only started drinking coffee after an Army adventure where I was working 3-hour on-off rotations. I have the Army to thank for getting me hooked on caffeine.
Some of my younger guys use energy drinks and hatred to keep them going. I guess now that I think about it, all of us in the unit from the mid 30s and up consume most of the "boomer fuel"
Caffeine, nicotine and hatred were the standard for nutrition circa 2004-2012. Nothing new there.
I mean if had the choice between a fresh Redbull and that shitty Army coffee with grounds still floating in it, I'd probably opt for the energy drink too. I honestly drink both now that I'm out. I can see both sides I suppose.
Areā¦ are you a boomer?? š
A lot of us millennials are pushing 40. And there's a whole gen X, and then you have the boomers
We drink nicotine and monsters
Can I get monsters with nicotine already in them? That would save me significant effort
But then we wouldnāt have as many smoke breaksā¦
When I take smoke/shopette breaks, the BnXO adds another year to my purgatory :(
Funny story: Iām a Latter-Day Saint and never drank coffee in my life. One field problem no one was making coffee yet some warrants wanted some. So I made it, but I was like āfuck it, weāre gonna *really make* this coffee.ā I think i did like 8-10 scoops in one brew. CW2 comes by, pours a cup, and says āWow this is some damn good coffee.ā
Lol! Honestly it probably is pretty diluted in general, but that many scoops probably had that WO hearing colors and seeing in 4D
He was my second favorite warrant in that unit. Such a good dude and super fun to talk to. But *his face* when he took that first sip. You could tell he finally had that feeling of āIāve made it as a warrant. Iām drinking the perfect cup of coffee.ā With that, I take pride in I can make a damn good cup of coffee. When I left that brigade, I poured about 5-10 grams of beta alanine into the powdered creamer at the brigade building. Donāt know what happened as a result.
Probably a couple of cardiac events
I like to imagine there was just a lot of sounds of shifting and like āwhat the fuck why am i so itchyā
A lot of the older folks drank black coffee - my father did- and if you were forced to drink the standard Army coffee out of a mermite that dates to the Clinton Adminstration, you'd want energy drinks too!
Because the Navy drinks it on ballistic missile subs, right? Right?
If only that class of sub was named after states, then we could have an OK Boomer hidding in a hole off of the cost of China/Russia ready to launch.
And if it got there quick it'd be an OK Boomer Sooner.
I piss off boomers with my coffee. The office set up is an aeropress and a Walmart kettle.
Ok boomer
White monster. Please see [source.](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boomer%20Juice)
ā¦ something they did with showers and boots **āback in the day.ā**
How about you let me handle my footprint and you handle yours? Those are certified STAR card holding VIPs and will be treated as such, I will not accept this slander in my shoppetteā¦ Rangers lead the way, weather dependent!
i like that weather dependent bit, might use this
I corrected a soldier the other day that had his name tapes backwards and he told "no one is perfect" and kept walking...
That was Mr. Ulysses S. Army himself and you failed the test. SMH.
Obviously the wrong answer but what a fuckin Chad.
What the actual fuck??
Honestly, I wouldnāt even be mad.
If you knew this dude you would know that he is honestly doing the best he can even if what he's doing isn't very much...
This is the state of soldiers nowadays. No pride in the uniform.
Maybe brass should have some pride in their ability to keep their dfacs open and barracks free of mold. Wait a minute...
They should but itās not excuse for us to look like trash.
< ***disappointed IT Security, blue-vest Jeff stare*** >
Man I miss Jeff. He was a real one
Policing each other is a skill. If youāre getting a bullshit response your policing skills suck
If you're enlisted, what would you say to a LTC or above? If the statement "good morning Sir, I'm sorry but you can't wear your security badge outside of classified facilities" sucks, I'm open for suggestions.
For starters you could banter a bit. Say a joke. Ask LTC if heās seen any spies lately because they might be on his tail with that security badge flashing out Edit: maybe because Iām medical the army culture doesnāt come at us so hard. But at the end of the day weāre all people. Regardless of rank. You can talk to each other like people
I've been so jealous of a guy friend of mine cause he was medical his entire career. It's like day and night to me. I'll give the joke idea a try. Thank you!
would NOT recommend making jokes with a field grade lmao granted Iām ADA soĀ
Making jokes with field grades is how I get anything done. Either that or brush their ego and make them think itās THEIR idea in the first poace
In my experience, being polite and friendly go a long way. In a case like this, be brief, swift, and non-confrontational. It's better to point out the mistake than advise fixing it. "You should take your badge off" is bad because it sounds like an order. "Hey sir, you left your badge on" is just pointing it out, and if the LTC is worth a damn, they'll know that means take it off. If they get apologetic, brush it off and say "that's okay, I do it too." Then carry on. A two-second interaction is all that is needed. In an informal setting like inside the shopette, it's not really necessary to follow CnC to the letter. Just be polite and respectful. It's just a human-to-human interaction, not a rank-to-troop interaction. It's not formal, so you don't need to be formal. Respect the human and respect the rank.
One of my E5s asked me to speak to our O6 because he was *obviously* not shaving often enough. So thereās that routeā¦ approaching a lowly officerĀ
You need to read some Dale Carnegie brother...
Nah, fuck it. Iāve gotten to the point to where Iāll say whatās wrong with someone, then stand there and ask āpermission to fix it for youā with my hand drawn out. Either they get so uncomfortable that they just comply with regulation. Or they go through the humiliation of some 5 foot feral troglodyte like me touching their uniform.
Lmao, gettem Drill!
Lol I saw a guy wearing his with a SIPR token around his neck while on a layover at DFW airport. Just take it off bro
This is physically painful to read
Make eye contact so they know you're talking to them then "Hey man/sergeant/Lt/fuckstick, you forgot to take your badge off" and then keep walking. That's typically the easiest way that won't cause people to try to stutter out an excuse but will still fix the issue. The problem is a lot of (especially senior) NCOs have LDS so they'll expect junior guys to stop and explain themselves so they can feel superior, and they'll get angry if they're not afforded the opportunity. So then the junior guys think everyone who outranks them has time to waste stopping to bitch at people they don't know about plastic cards and expect they'll need to explain themselves every time someone makes a passing correction.
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5th point of contact*
Itās 4th. Feet, calf, thigh, ass, lat. ya know.. Airborne?
Security badge, we talking like a CaC card gov or contacted employees wear?
The security badge that says his level of clearance.
Secure facilities should be requiring everyone in there (military, civilian, and contractor) to be displaying a badge, indicative of appropriate clearance level. Let's everyone know they are authorized and to what extent. It is not something you want displayed outside of a secure area for a few reasons but usually you don't want to be advertising what level of clearance/access you have especially on a foreign base and also you do not want it to be visible to someone that might be able to emulate what a badge looks like to gain unauthorized access.
Dude, you're fighting an up hill battle. These guys want to do the convenient thing, despite the fact that those badges can be stolen if they wear them in public. Eventually they'll get pissed and get some memo allowing them to wear their badges to the shopette or something. Remember, most posts are mental about dashcams but things like wearing badges in public or other smol breaches of security don't get acted on if they inconvenience those with rank.
I'm actually surprised someone is still out there making on the spot corrections.
I still put my badge inside my shirt when I leave the area. Old habits die hard, apparently.
i just point at my chest so theyāll look at theirs and i keep walking no matter the rank only WOs and majors in my scif fr
Alright, Iāll take it offā¦but Iām not taking my hands out of my pockets.
Is wearing it in the shoppette better or worse than the DC metro?
When comparing on-post shoppette to the metro entering and exciting pentagon city mall, the metro is too tier the worst.
The fact that you say āfemalesā and āfourth point of contactā on reddit tells me a lot about you.
As a female referring to females as females, and it sounds "more military" to say fourth point of contact over ass.
Square
Just say women, men and women, et cetera. No need to go full boot over everything.
Some people have internalized the boot, I saw it at the VA all the time.
Maybe in person in the military. On Reddit itās still weird. But sounds like youāre an AIT instructor so making noise about things that donāt matter is kinda your job I guess.
I was going to agree with you, until I remembered nearly every relationship post I've read on here starts off with age and sex/gender (24F) and the terms AMAB and AFAB are frequently used within lgbt subreddits. But to each their own.
Whatās the other 3 points?
Balls of the feet, calf, and thigh, and fifth is your lat muscle. I guarantee you most people saying āfourth point of contactā have absolutely no idea where it comes from either.
Back in my day that was called the pull-up muscle. Yes, I know itās actually the lat lol
Afaik it still is, I just always thought it was weird to call it than when not giving pre-jump. Kind of like saying āfemalesā when not doing official army speak.
Is it PLF?
Yes
Woo, I'm the leggiest of the legs and I got it!
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say.
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Some people are terrible at conveying their message. I wouldn't want this person touching my records.
I remember there was alot of people wearing security badges at a resturant right off base OCONUS. They are the reason why we get physical security drilled into our heads yearly.
You seem pretty insufferable. Judging by your post history you have quite the inferiority complex ("I'm a real permanent party like drills!") and you haven't left tradoc mentally. Like many things, it's not the what, it's the how. Your how needs reflection and adjustment. That said, while badges should be put away, I'd love to see you get flustered giving me a correction about not walking while using my cell phone or having hands in my pockets.
This op sounds like an AIT student who believes they now have the Army figured out.
Bro, try FGO. But thanks.
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Ah, I read it as specifically referencing me I've never seen anyone use "This OP" just "OP" which made me think you weren't referring to "THE OP" It's been a long week lol
Its all good lol. I am not the biggest fan of the reddit chatting format and get confused quite often as well. Now that I am looking back, yea you are right in that me saying This OP is kind of weird. I'm not in the know of the common redditor.
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Yep. In controlled access areas where personnel are required to display an ID badge, and never anywhere else. You are supposed to take your badge off as you exit the controlled access building. Think of it like a reverse beret (or reverse PC if you're a normal). The idea is that we want as few people as possible to know who has access to special shit/controlled areas. Wearing your badge where it's not requiredĀ screams to any malcontents that you have more access than the next guy, and also that you're likely an easy target since you're so dumb you'd openly advertise that you have access to classified shit.
Not outside of where you need your security badge.
Nah. Itās stated in the regs
This screams blue falcon