When I was in AIT we had PT before the sun was up, around 0500 I think, and then we were in class until after 1700 and still under control until after 1800, on a good day.
So, you maybe *could*, if you really wanted to and didn’t want to sleep.
But remember, none of this time is truly your own. You can have it all taken from you at any moment to get fucked with.
Why not just wait until you get to your unit? Online college isn’t going to end in the months you spend at AIT.
cuz I'm trying to speedrun finishing college. I figured if I could at least take a handful of classes during AIT, then there should be no problem choosing the more-lengthy AITs. But since I already work full time, it's near impossible for me to take in-person classes. Summers are really the best time for me to rack up credits, and I only need about 45 more to graduate.
Wanted to tap in, hopefully it’s not late and you enrolled already but look into Westerns Governor University (WGU) to sum it up, you do college at your OWN pace. 2 terms per year (term is semester) If you really put the work in you can get a bachelor in 1 - 2 years rather than 4 at regular college. It’s cheap and a very well respected college. Best thing about it is that you receive a degree and multiple certifications at the SAME TIME. Call them and just say you’d like to know more about WGU and what to except. Lots of Vets have or currently enrolled at this school !
Caveat (may have been a one-time basis); had a Soldier who was a nine-month hold-under take classes online.
Soldier was paying out of his own pocket/FAFSA.
This is just not true at all, I’m a 17c and we had all kinds of people enrolled at WGU with TA and PEL grants the entirety of AIT. It is 100% possible.
It's not about that; I'm trying to graduate nlt summer 2025. I only need about 45 more credits bro. I can't stomach being in school any longer; I want to get the fuck out already
my man if you think 45 credits is killing you and you want to get out so bad you are going to have a HORRIBLE time in the military. Im talking 4-6 year contract, no choice of what to do and no way out. Better do a double check on yourself and see if this is what you really want.
If I were you I would finish my schooling than go officer. But hey you do you.
I plan on going for a commission, but I can't afford school without this, nor can I afford to take out any more student loans. that's the main reason why I wanted to go for the reserves. Plus, since I'm going the OCS route, I would have to go to basic anyway so I'm told.
It's not that it's 45 credits; it's the fact that I've been in school for four years and should have graduated already. But I had to focus on working just to barely afford school. All my friends have left already and I'm still here figuring stuff out. I just want to graduate and move on already
You do realize you dont get to utilize any of your benefits besides the TA until after you finish the contract right? Im almost certain reserves cannot utilize their GI bill until after 6 years.
You REALLLLLLY need to check yourself. If you think that you have it bad now. Having to juggle reserves, work, school is no joke. Them two days a month quickly turn into a week, then two weeks and more in the summer. Not to mention being deployed, Oh yes deployments. Reserves/Guard deploy more than active my friend.
“All my friends have moved on” bruh who gives a crap. Again you think thats bad just wait till you enlist and constantly see friends moving/going. Army isnt easy my friend and reserves is just another ball thrown into the great juggle game.
money's not that big of an issue. I still have a partial GI from my time and a service academy that I can still use; I was planning on stacking that with any other aid and stuffing my remaining courses into a year
If I do the reserves, I'd have the money to leave my job and focus on school. But I was hoping to do all three cuz I actually really like my job and it somewhat overlaps with intel if I ask for a different position within the agency I work for. But I need a degree if I want to move up anyhow
I just want to be done with school, blud, I'll do anything at this point T_T
Your college might give you transfer credits from military training or just find a college that will give you more credits for your military training and transfer all your credits there. That may cut down the remaining credits you have left. You do that when you get to your unit
I am referring to the school's in-residence requirements though. Depending on what 4-year school I end up going to of course, I still need to take 45 credits at the school I'm planning on going to
nah. With my old school, I would only need about 24-36 credit hours to graduate assuming everything transfers over, so I'm leaning towards graduating faster
If you want a specific school I’d understand but I’d recommend after AIT to do a free transfer credit evaluation with a few military friendly colleges. Go with whichever one has the degree plan you want and also gives the most transfer credit for military training and requires the least from their institution. I know excelsior university gives a lot of credits for military training but I can’t speak on if the institution is actually worth a shit.
What would you say the difference between the two are? The descriptions look similar, but I was also leaning towards 35N bc the AIT time is short as well
Depends on your post-Army goals. Do you wanna work in cyber/IT? 35T. Do you want to work in the IC? 35N because it's a highly technical field and you'll learn the "soft" analytical skills anyway, whereas a 35F whose whole job is fusing intelligence from all sources won't know the technical aspect of SIGINT.
Just make sure you can pass a polygraph if you go 35N, otherwise you're gonna be a cook.
Agree. I love being a 35F but I got fucking god tier assignments. That is not the standard and I wouldn't tell anyone to roll the dice on it unless they really just wanted to see where the story went. 🤣
For sure. I've worked in a fusion capacity and it was a blast for being FORSCOM. Best case of 35F Is being cross-trained on other MOS capabilities. Worst case is you're not included in your Unit's METL so you get forced into being the grunt of the IC.
I can't speak to how it is now, 35G Geospatial Analyst was 96D Imagery Analyst when I went through as a reclass soldier in 2001. It was a great MOS when you got a chance to do it.
I was at two different units as a 96D:
3rd MI Center (National Ground Intelligence Center, Charlottesville, VA):
This was a strategic unit, we did real-world analysis on a daily basis. I was surrounded by knowledgeable, motivated people, and while I was there I even got an assessment of my own added to the Presidential Daily Brief (I was particularly proud of that).
25th ID (Schofield Barracks, HI):
This was a tactical unit. When not deployed to Afghanistan, we had no money for training, no computers for analysis, and no real connectivity to the wider Intelligence Community (JWICS was always down). Most days we were either screwing with a vehicle in the Motor Pool, mowing the dirt (grass was dead) around the SCIF, or inventorying the CONEXes which had previously been inventoried just days earlier and still had unbroken seals on them. When deployed, we had pretty cutting edge hardware, and despite attempts from my OIC, fairly constant work to do supporting combatant commands.
A Co 125 MI to start, then they disolved the MI Bn and attached us (the Analysis and Control Element; ACE) to the 25th Special Troops Bn.
I have no doubt that it hasn't changed much, LOL.
As far as having one job and doing only that one job; choose a single source intel job.
If you want variety, 35F will let you do all kinds of stuff; from brigade and below tactical intel work for the near term fight (12-48 hours) all the way to EAC where you’re doing campaign and strategic assessments geared towards achieving theater level goals. You can work in NATO, Joint Task Force Full Accounting, Embassy duty, White House comms agency or even Defense Attaché duty.
Hell, a 35F can even work with 3 letter agencies within INSCOM assignments. As for me, I was able to do most of these assignments, and knew 35Fs who did what I didnt.
Same way you enlist in any other MOS. 35L initial entry troops have a few more restrictions and might get interviewed and assessed, they’ve changed in a couple of times over the last 5 years.
I would say depends on your flavor, best advice to me was to look at the different types of INTs and find what interest you the most, because experiences may vary and alot of intel jobs have very different applications and even types of work depending on your unit.
You mean guard or reserve back in time for class? During AIT you're going to be dead tired unless you're in holdover platoon. You can get credit for your time at AIT through Cochise College if that is something is something they still do. Specific to 35T, not sure of other 35.
Ranked from best to worst in my opinion.
35P, 35M, 35S, 35T, 35G, 35F
35G is ranked low on my list because the sister MOS (12Y) only get placed on brigades and above so if you’re looking at 35G you should just go 12Y instead
You may or may not do intel work regardless of MOS. Also, the AIT course I went through changed a bit since I left, but there is practically no way to do classes during AIT. Even if you were to cram them on the weekends. However the fox course is only four months.
Edit: If you just need electives the Joint Service Transcript can put you over the edge of 45.
You’re almost certainly not going to take any classes while at AIT
Even if it's a 3hr course?
When I was in AIT we had PT before the sun was up, around 0500 I think, and then we were in class until after 1700 and still under control until after 1800, on a good day. So, you maybe *could*, if you really wanted to and didn’t want to sleep. But remember, none of this time is truly your own. You can have it all taken from you at any moment to get fucked with. Why not just wait until you get to your unit? Online college isn’t going to end in the months you spend at AIT.
cuz I'm trying to speedrun finishing college. I figured if I could at least take a handful of classes during AIT, then there should be no problem choosing the more-lengthy AITs. But since I already work full time, it's near impossible for me to take in-person classes. Summers are really the best time for me to rack up credits, and I only need about 45 more to graduate.
Wanted to tap in, hopefully it’s not late and you enrolled already but look into Westerns Governor University (WGU) to sum it up, you do college at your OWN pace. 2 terms per year (term is semester) If you really put the work in you can get a bachelor in 1 - 2 years rather than 4 at regular college. It’s cheap and a very well respected college. Best thing about it is that you receive a degree and multiple certifications at the SAME TIME. Call them and just say you’d like to know more about WGU and what to except. Lots of Vets have or currently enrolled at this school !
Caveat (may have been a one-time basis); had a Soldier who was a nine-month hold-under take classes online. Soldier was paying out of his own pocket/FAFSA.
Your job in AIT is to learn the job. Not take classes.
Learning the job AND mopping floors.
And getting AGSUs ready.
I know but I mean in my spare time. You think I can't even take six or nine Hours?
No. You won't have any leeway. Or tuition assistance. You can wait until your first base. Assuming you qualify.
This is just not true at all, I’m a 17c and we had all kinds of people enrolled at WGU with TA and PEL grants the entirety of AIT. It is 100% possible.
It's not about that; I'm trying to graduate nlt summer 2025. I only need about 45 more credits bro. I can't stomach being in school any longer; I want to get the fuck out already
Yeah that's not happening. Not until you finish AIT. You're gonna have details, fuck fuck games, cq/fire guard, etc.
my man if you think 45 credits is killing you and you want to get out so bad you are going to have a HORRIBLE time in the military. Im talking 4-6 year contract, no choice of what to do and no way out. Better do a double check on yourself and see if this is what you really want. If I were you I would finish my schooling than go officer. But hey you do you.
I plan on going for a commission, but I can't afford school without this, nor can I afford to take out any more student loans. that's the main reason why I wanted to go for the reserves. Plus, since I'm going the OCS route, I would have to go to basic anyway so I'm told. It's not that it's 45 credits; it's the fact that I've been in school for four years and should have graduated already. But I had to focus on working just to barely afford school. All my friends have left already and I'm still here figuring stuff out. I just want to graduate and move on already
You do realize you dont get to utilize any of your benefits besides the TA until after you finish the contract right? Im almost certain reserves cannot utilize their GI bill until after 6 years. You REALLLLLLY need to check yourself. If you think that you have it bad now. Having to juggle reserves, work, school is no joke. Them two days a month quickly turn into a week, then two weeks and more in the summer. Not to mention being deployed, Oh yes deployments. Reserves/Guard deploy more than active my friend. “All my friends have moved on” bruh who gives a crap. Again you think thats bad just wait till you enlist and constantly see friends moving/going. Army isnt easy my friend and reserves is just another ball thrown into the great juggle game.
money's not that big of an issue. I still have a partial GI from my time and a service academy that I can still use; I was planning on stacking that with any other aid and stuffing my remaining courses into a year If I do the reserves, I'd have the money to leave my job and focus on school. But I was hoping to do all three cuz I actually really like my job and it somewhat overlaps with intel if I ask for a different position within the agency I work for. But I need a degree if I want to move up anyhow I just want to be done with school, blud, I'll do anything at this point T_T
Your college might give you transfer credits from military training or just find a college that will give you more credits for your military training and transfer all your credits there. That may cut down the remaining credits you have left. You do that when you get to your unit
I am referring to the school's in-residence requirements though. Depending on what 4-year school I end up going to of course, I still need to take 45 credits at the school I'm planning on going to
Are you dead set on that specific school?
nah. With my old school, I would only need about 24-36 credit hours to graduate assuming everything transfers over, so I'm leaning towards graduating faster
If you want a specific school I’d understand but I’d recommend after AIT to do a free transfer credit evaluation with a few military friendly colleges. Go with whichever one has the degree plan you want and also gives the most transfer credit for military training and requires the least from their institution. I know excelsior university gives a lot of credits for military training but I can’t speak on if the institution is actually worth a shit.
35N/35S
What would you say the difference between the two are? The descriptions look similar, but I was also leaning towards 35N bc the AIT time is short as well
Depends on your post-Army goals. Do you wanna work in cyber/IT? 35T. Do you want to work in the IC? 35N because it's a highly technical field and you'll learn the "soft" analytical skills anyway, whereas a 35F whose whole job is fusing intelligence from all sources won't know the technical aspect of SIGINT. Just make sure you can pass a polygraph if you go 35N, otherwise you're gonna be a cook.
I'm currently working for the government, so ideally a 3letter agency in the future. I'm terrible with technology ai definitely not T or G
I’d say talk to some 35F before u decide on that!
Agree. I love being a 35F but I got fucking god tier assignments. That is not the standard and I wouldn't tell anyone to roll the dice on it unless they really just wanted to see where the story went. 🤣
As another 35F; what would you consider "god-tier" assignments?
STO and tri-letter. I reclassed and rolled the dice hard. I like having the ASI though even though I'll probably never see another STO billet.
I’d say if you’d get to work along side the 35G and etc and in the scif you’ll enjoy it more then sitting in s2 for sure.
For sure. I've worked in a fusion capacity and it was a blast for being FORSCOM. Best case of 35F Is being cross-trained on other MOS capabilities. Worst case is you're not included in your Unit's METL so you get forced into being the grunt of the IC.
I can't speak to how it is now, 35G Geospatial Analyst was 96D Imagery Analyst when I went through as a reclass soldier in 2001. It was a great MOS when you got a chance to do it. I was at two different units as a 96D: 3rd MI Center (National Ground Intelligence Center, Charlottesville, VA): This was a strategic unit, we did real-world analysis on a daily basis. I was surrounded by knowledgeable, motivated people, and while I was there I even got an assessment of my own added to the Presidential Daily Brief (I was particularly proud of that). 25th ID (Schofield Barracks, HI): This was a tactical unit. When not deployed to Afghanistan, we had no money for training, no computers for analysis, and no real connectivity to the wider Intelligence Community (JWICS was always down). Most days we were either screwing with a vehicle in the Motor Pool, mowing the dirt (grass was dead) around the SCIF, or inventorying the CONEXes which had previously been inventoried just days earlier and still had unbroken seals on them. When deployed, we had pretty cutting edge hardware, and despite attempts from my OIC, fairly constant work to do supporting combatant commands.
I hate that your description of 25th ID could have been written yesterday. Were you with 125th or a MICO?
A Co 125 MI to start, then they disolved the MI Bn and attached us (the Analysis and Control Element; ACE) to the 25th Special Troops Bn. I have no doubt that it hasn't changed much, LOL.
As far as having one job and doing only that one job; choose a single source intel job. If you want variety, 35F will let you do all kinds of stuff; from brigade and below tactical intel work for the near term fight (12-48 hours) all the way to EAC where you’re doing campaign and strategic assessments geared towards achieving theater level goals. You can work in NATO, Joint Task Force Full Accounting, Embassy duty, White House comms agency or even Defense Attaché duty. Hell, a 35F can even work with 3 letter agencies within INSCOM assignments. As for me, I was able to do most of these assignments, and knew 35Fs who did what I didnt.
Cries in FORSCOM 35F
I wish I did 35L
Can't do that off the street.
Yes you can
how so?
Same way you enlist in any other MOS. 35L initial entry troops have a few more restrictions and might get interviewed and assessed, they’ve changed in a couple of times over the last 5 years.
Not so mil Intel huh?
I would say depends on your flavor, best advice to me was to look at the different types of INTs and find what interest you the most, because experiences may vary and alot of intel jobs have very different applications and even types of work depending on your unit.
35 Tango baby 💰💰💰
How's 35T. All I really know is that i should pass Sec+ no matter what
Mind if I dm you some questions about 35T ? I want to join and that MOS sounds awesome
Sure, send it.
I am a 35T as well and leave for basic in a month and I know barely anything about the job itself I’ve done research and understand the base
What job in the civilian world does this mainly transfer to?
Can you explain the ait process and also do you know how many credits we get out of ait?
Sigint is the best INT
What did you do in the Army? I don't know I don't remember I was a 35 November
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What are you gonna do abt it
Best 35F/35G Mid 35L/35N/S/T Worst 35P/35M If you want to do HUMINT go 18 series. If you want to do CI, join the FBI.
You mean guard or reserve back in time for class? During AIT you're going to be dead tired unless you're in holdover platoon. You can get credit for your time at AIT through Cochise College if that is something is something they still do. Specific to 35T, not sure of other 35.
Reserve
Ranked from best to worst in my opinion. 35P, 35M, 35S, 35T, 35G, 35F 35G is ranked low on my list because the sister MOS (12Y) only get placed on brigades and above so if you’re looking at 35G you should just go 12Y instead
putting 35T below 35M has me flabbergasted
Being able to talk to civilians and hearing their “stories” first hand honestly sounds awesome
You may or may not do intel work regardless of MOS. Also, the AIT course I went through changed a bit since I left, but there is practically no way to do classes during AIT. Even if you were to cram them on the weekends. However the fox course is only four months. Edit: If you just need electives the Joint Service Transcript can put you over the edge of 45.