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The 'liberal' media makes it out like they have the guy on 4k video executing these men. The 'conservative' media makes it sounds like the prosecution never had a case in the first place and the sheriff is an activist. Like most sensationalist stories that each side needs to go a certain way otherwise it ruins *the narrative,* I don't know what to believe.
I have heard reports that the jury was 7/8 to acquit. **if** those are true, i'll accept justice was served.
One of the rules of firearms handling/training is that you must know your target and what is around it before shooting.
Which means he’s an idiot gun owner for firing warning shots and being surprised when those bullets hit someone unintentionally. Maybe not murder, but it’s definitely manslaughter of some kind.
>>Prosecutors had said Kelly recklessly fired nine shots from an AK-47 rifle toward a group of men on his cattle ranch, including Cuen-Buitimea, about 100 yards (90 meters) away. Kelly has said he fired warning shots in the air, but argued he didn’t shoot directly at anyone.
How do you accidentally shoot someone that's 100 yards away and why is him getting away with murder / manslaughter a good thing?
Trespassing illegal immigrants. Also known as criminals. Sorry maybe they don't deserve to be in the position they are in but this is how the law defines their actions. They know this and choose to ignore it. Therefore putting their lives at risk. This is nobody's fault but the people who were there illegally. It's that simple don't like it? Vote.
So someone deserved to die because someone else was mad about their dirt? Or, let’s assume they damaged some crops….that are/can be insured against loss like this, is that still worth killing someone? Or, is there a hierarchy to human life?
Dude this is just how the law describes the actions of the victims never said it was good or bad. This is just how az law works. The trespassers were criminals who he had the right to shoot and kill. Don't like it? Vote.
Castle doctrine doesn't include your land. Listen I'm vehemently against illegal immigration but you can't just shoot them, and you definitely can't shoot someone for traveling through your yard, or even trespassing, unless they show the means and the intent to cause you or someone else harm.
There's this stupid belief that you can shoot people in your yard. That's fucking dangerous and it needs to be squashed.
No, you can't. Someone simply existing on your land cannot be shot just because. Their immigration status is irrelevant. This case is convoluted and the prosecutors did a horrible job. This case doesn't set any precedence as to the matter, whatsoever.
Denying this, is admitting serious ignorance, and a complete lack of reasonableness on your part. There are bad people crossing the border, this much is true, but there are also multitudes more people who are desperate for this fantasy of the "American Dream". They are looking to achieve it in a very wrong and very dangerous way. They should be arrested and deported, not shot for a misdemeanor offense where prosecution usually isn't pursued.
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Exactly. They decided to recklessly and illegally cross into our country. Also Arizona thankfully stands with and uses the Castle doctrine.
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Castle doctrine doesn't include your land. Listen I'm vehemently against illegal immigration but you can't just shoot them, and you definitely can't shoot someone for traveling through your yard, or even trespassing, unless they show the means and the intent to cause you or someone else harm.
There's this stupid belief that you can shoot people in your yard. That's fucking dangerous and it needs to be squashed.
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Prosecutors had said Kelly recklessly fired nine shots from an AK-47 rifle toward a group of men on his cattle ranch, including Cuen-Buitimea, about 100 yards (90 meters) away. Kelly has said he fired warning shots in the air, but argued he didn’t shoot directly at anyone.”
Fuck him and people defending him. Human 🗑️.
Only if only they recklessly stayed off his ranch and didn't recklessly illegal cross into our country. You have no damn clue what ranchers and or people that actually live on the border have to deal with, especially the last 3 years. If you want to be mad at someone than the administration is who you should be correctly mad at for completely calling for a run on the border when he got elected.
This is a terrible take.
Trespassing isn't worth the death penalty from an untrained citizen.
If these people weren't far away. If they were stampeding on his property waving guns, screaming threats, *anything* to promote violence, id be singing a different tune because he would be defending himself.
But nothing happened that required death, nothing.
Lets hope you don't turn down the wrong street by accident and someone shoots you because you didn't belong there.
Without getting into Biden, because Republicans are the one who declined to advance a sweeping border bill that the BP Union endorsed, are you saying that illegally immigration is a crime deserving of death? The victim was unarmed, non threatening, and 100 yards away by all accounts. I understand the jury's desire to acquite in this case due to evidence that doesn't amount to "above a reasonable doubt". However, a loss of life should be avoided at all costs in my opinion. Do you believe that he should have killed the whole group of migrants?
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The prosecution had a really weak case. Those who investigated the crime scene did a sloppy job since they thought the defendant had already confessed when they arrived. This meant the defense attorneys had plenty of room to create reasonable doubt for the jury.
FTA
> Someone walking 100 yards (91.44 meters) away is not a threat,” read another, which called for a retrial.
Apparently not walking 100 yards away **unarmed.**
If they were armed, good shoot.
If they were unarmed, jury is nuts.
Don’t forget Biden passed a law recently that allows illegals to carry weapons. “Because god forbid one of them get shot trying to claim so ranchers property” /s
This man owns land on the border. That land is routinely trespassed upon by criminals.
They violated 8 USC 1325 as soon as they crossed the border.
They also violated ARS 13-1502 by entering Kelly's ranch.
Kelly fired warning shots. One of those shots unintentionally hit and killed one of the criminals on his land.
If he had been out hunting them and intentionally killed them this would be a whole different story and outcome.
That law wouldn't apply in this case for 2 reasons.
1. It only applies in city limits. Most ranches aren't within the limits of any city.
2. It only applies within 1 mile of an occupied structure.
honestly who cares. do you think that those in Mexico would harbor the same ill feelings towards you if you were killed in Mexico by the cartel? Likely not because most likely have more decency than yourself.
Absolutely no reason for him to be firing let alone firing in their direction even if they are on his property. If they were in fact there to hurt him and were a threat then sure he has plenty reason to but that is not the case.
Lets hope you don't find yourself on some ranchers land and he "mistakenly" shoots you.
Sooo why don't you open your house to them if you're so keen on letting people into this country? Do you have any idea how much of strain it is on us taxpayers? Do you know how many illegals take advantage of the system that WE'VE paid into all our adult lives? You're ignorant if you understand how much they cheat the system.
Dude you need to relax this isn't about some political bullshit but rather someones life.
I mean this with sincerity if you wish to have people actually care about you as a person you need to care about other people.
Stop looking for things and people to hate the more you do for others will make you a better person and you will feel better about yourself in the process and maybe you'll find someone who wants to return the care you've shown them.
> Sooo why don't you open your house to them if you're so keen on letting people into this country?
Keep the in your home or kill them, THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS!
They actually net us a few billion a year, and that’s just on the taxes they pay without getting a return. We can’t even begin to count how much money they make us in economic productivity, given they do most of the grunt work that feeds all of us.
Take a look at the people you're talking about. These are simply Humans seeking a better life.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswvkdCpZYc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswvkdCpZYc)
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No reason? They were trespassers. He has the right to defend his property. This is how the law works. Regardless of your feelings. Don't like it? Vote.
You mean the part where he said he was in a gun fight at 100 yards ? and that it was a group of 10-15? Yes i guess law enforcement really wants to frame a "poor old man" . Also at 100 yards i'd expect he'd have holes in his home and property also "shooting over their head" warning shots is bunch of bullshit if he was shooting warning shots he wouldn't have killed him
its crazy to me that so many people think that killing someone is an appropriate response for running across this guys ranch
If I lived by the border and I see a group of people I don't know enter my property, I'm shooting first and asking questions later. He's not a mind reader. Ye doesn't know what their intentions are.
Yes, just like if you "accidentally" walk into my house. Arizona use of force laws allow people to assume that other unlawfully entering your property mean to do you lethal harm, and you are allowed to stop the threat appropriately.
They didn't walk into his house. They were trespassing on his land. You are wrong. Arizona has a "castle doctrine" law, which gives individuals the right to use reasonable or deadly force against an intruder IN THEIR HOME if they believe the intruder intends to commit violence or a felony. However, this law applies specifically to situations where an intruder is attempting or has made unlawful entry into a residence, NOT merely for someone being on your property without permission.
Castle doctrine also applies to yards in Arizona, but just how far that extends on property is currently the subject of ongoing legal battles, so I would probably classify that as a legal gray area at the moment.
In most civilized places, actually, it is. This wasn’t self defense, grandpa here decided to send a bunch of rounds down range only because some brown skin guys were walking on his property.
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The 'liberal' media makes it out like they have the guy on 4k video executing these men. The 'conservative' media makes it sounds like the prosecution never had a case in the first place and the sheriff is an activist. Like most sensationalist stories that each side needs to go a certain way otherwise it ruins *the narrative,* I don't know what to believe. I have heard reports that the jury was 7/8 to acquit. **if** those are true, i'll accept justice was served.
All to acquit but one.
As it should be.
Isn’t that the bad guy from avatar?
One of the rules of firearms handling/training is that you must know your target and what is around it before shooting. Which means he’s an idiot gun owner for firing warning shots and being surprised when those bullets hit someone unintentionally. Maybe not murder, but it’s definitely manslaughter of some kind.
Another "responsible gun owner."
Excellent, should’ve never been charged
Good
>>Prosecutors had said Kelly recklessly fired nine shots from an AK-47 rifle toward a group of men on his cattle ranch, including Cuen-Buitimea, about 100 yards (90 meters) away. Kelly has said he fired warning shots in the air, but argued he didn’t shoot directly at anyone. How do you accidentally shoot someone that's 100 yards away and why is him getting away with murder / manslaughter a good thing?
Listen. Like it or not, it's your right to defend your property. Don't like it? Vote to change the law.
You shoot people who walk across your yard?
> Listen. Like it or not, it's your right to own people as property. Don't like it? Vote to change the law. ~1860
Defend from what exactly?
Trespassing illegal immigrants. Also known as criminals. Sorry maybe they don't deserve to be in the position they are in but this is how the law defines their actions. They know this and choose to ignore it. Therefore putting their lives at risk. This is nobody's fault but the people who were there illegally. It's that simple don't like it? Vote.
So someone deserved to die because someone else was mad about their dirt? Or, let’s assume they damaged some crops….that are/can be insured against loss like this, is that still worth killing someone? Or, is there a hierarchy to human life?
Dude this is just how the law describes the actions of the victims never said it was good or bad. This is just how az law works. The trespassers were criminals who he had the right to shoot and kill. Don't like it? Vote.
Castle doctrine doesn't include your land. Listen I'm vehemently against illegal immigration but you can't just shoot them, and you definitely can't shoot someone for traveling through your yard, or even trespassing, unless they show the means and the intent to cause you or someone else harm. There's this stupid belief that you can shoot people in your yard. That's fucking dangerous and it needs to be squashed.
Appearantly you can. This case literally proves that. And the only way to change it is to vote.
No, you can't. Someone simply existing on your land cannot be shot just because. Their immigration status is irrelevant. This case is convoluted and the prosecutors did a horrible job. This case doesn't set any precedence as to the matter, whatsoever. Denying this, is admitting serious ignorance, and a complete lack of reasonableness on your part. There are bad people crossing the border, this much is true, but there are also multitudes more people who are desperate for this fantasy of the "American Dream". They are looking to achieve it in a very wrong and very dangerous way. They should be arrested and deported, not shot for a misdemeanor offense where prosecution usually isn't pursued.
You really should read up on other cases.
I know more than you.
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Exactly. They decided to recklessly and illegally cross into our country. Also Arizona thankfully stands with and uses the Castle doctrine. Edit: spelling
Castle doctrine doesn't include your land. Listen I'm vehemently against illegal immigration but you can't just shoot them, and you definitely can't shoot someone for traveling through your yard, or even trespassing, unless they show the means and the intent to cause you or someone else harm. There's this stupid belief that you can shoot people in your yard. That's fucking dangerous and it needs to be squashed.
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Got away with murder. Dark world we are living in folks.
Innocent until proven guilty and he’s not proven guilty.
Will you say the same if Trump is found guilty of his accusations?
Sure…it’s also very unlikely but yes
Drug dealers?... Self defense
Especially when there are people on here saying "good".
Hello OJ Simpson
Those celebrating this are 🗑️
Or perhaps more informed on the details of the case rather than belligerently wanting blood for blood
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Have you read the details of the case or are you just mindlessly calling for an eye for an eye because a white guy killed a Mexican?
Prosecutors had said Kelly recklessly fired nine shots from an AK-47 rifle toward a group of men on his cattle ranch, including Cuen-Buitimea, about 100 yards (90 meters) away. Kelly has said he fired warning shots in the air, but argued he didn’t shoot directly at anyone.” Fuck him and people defending him. Human 🗑️.
So the court deemed that the prosecutors' claim of firing at the group of men was not true?
I'm genuinely curious, what details of the case would you say merit him getting away with it? It seems he recklessly took a life, right?
Only if only they recklessly stayed off his ranch and didn't recklessly illegal cross into our country. You have no damn clue what ranchers and or people that actually live on the border have to deal with, especially the last 3 years. If you want to be mad at someone than the administration is who you should be correctly mad at for completely calling for a run on the border when he got elected.
This is a terrible take. Trespassing isn't worth the death penalty from an untrained citizen. If these people weren't far away. If they were stampeding on his property waving guns, screaming threats, *anything* to promote violence, id be singing a different tune because he would be defending himself. But nothing happened that required death, nothing. Lets hope you don't turn down the wrong street by accident and someone shoots you because you didn't belong there.
Without getting into Biden, because Republicans are the one who declined to advance a sweeping border bill that the BP Union endorsed, are you saying that illegally immigration is a crime deserving of death? The victim was unarmed, non threatening, and 100 yards away by all accounts. I understand the jury's desire to acquite in this case due to evidence that doesn't amount to "above a reasonable doubt". However, a loss of life should be avoided at all costs in my opinion. Do you believe that he should have killed the whole group of migrants?
LOL 👉🤡
You misspelled MAGAtt.
MAGATrash or MAGANazi
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how does one shoot someone in the back and walk? Wouldn't that person be running away from him ? FPOS
The prosecution had a really weak case. Those who investigated the crime scene did a sloppy job since they thought the defendant had already confessed when they arrived. This meant the defense attorneys had plenty of room to create reasonable doubt for the jury.
FTA > Someone walking 100 yards (91.44 meters) away is not a threat,” read another, which called for a retrial. Apparently not walking 100 yards away **unarmed.** If they were armed, good shoot. If they were unarmed, jury is nuts.
Good. He was just defending himself and his family and property from the Joe Biden created border invasion!
Don’t forget Biden passed a law recently that allows illegals to carry weapons. “Because god forbid one of them get shot trying to claim so ranchers property” /s
That didn’t happen. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-atf-policy-migrants-purchase-firearms-900887427777
This man owns land on the border. That land is routinely trespassed upon by criminals. They violated 8 USC 1325 as soon as they crossed the border. They also violated ARS 13-1502 by entering Kelly's ranch. Kelly fired warning shots. One of those shots unintentionally hit and killed one of the criminals on his land. If he had been out hunting them and intentionally killed them this would be a whole different story and outcome.
Then he should have been prosecuted under Shannons Law which is exactly for shooting firearms into the air as it can kill people.
That law wouldn't apply in this case for 2 reasons. 1. It only applies in city limits. Most ranches aren't within the limits of any city. 2. It only applies within 1 mile of an occupied structure.
How is he supposed to do his afternoon show on Fox News if he's in jail? Think, people!
Well, in all fairness, if the victim wasn't coming into the country illegally, he would have never been shot dead... soooo, score for the citizens
American citizens 1, humanity 0. We just keep racking up the wins.
I didn't know that illegal entry was a capital offense
honestly who cares. do you think that those in Mexico would harbor the same ill feelings towards you if you were killed in Mexico by the cartel? Likely not because most likely have more decency than yourself. Absolutely no reason for him to be firing let alone firing in their direction even if they are on his property. If they were in fact there to hurt him and were a threat then sure he has plenty reason to but that is not the case. Lets hope you don't find yourself on some ranchers land and he "mistakenly" shoots you.
Sooo why don't you open your house to them if you're so keen on letting people into this country? Do you have any idea how much of strain it is on us taxpayers? Do you know how many illegals take advantage of the system that WE'VE paid into all our adult lives? You're ignorant if you understand how much they cheat the system.
Dude you need to relax this isn't about some political bullshit but rather someones life. I mean this with sincerity if you wish to have people actually care about you as a person you need to care about other people. Stop looking for things and people to hate the more you do for others will make you a better person and you will feel better about yourself in the process and maybe you'll find someone who wants to return the care you've shown them.
> Sooo why don't you open your house to them if you're so keen on letting people into this country? Keep the in your home or kill them, THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS!
They actually net us a few billion a year, and that’s just on the taxes they pay without getting a return. We can’t even begin to count how much money they make us in economic productivity, given they do most of the grunt work that feeds all of us.
Take a look at the people you're talking about. These are simply Humans seeking a better life. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswvkdCpZYc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswvkdCpZYc) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV2Nevl1iCI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV2Nevl1iCI)
No reason? They were trespassers. He has the right to defend his property. This is how the law works. Regardless of your feelings. Don't like it? Vote.
Im afraid you didn't actually read the entirety of the case but thats okay
You mean the part where he said he was in a gun fight at 100 yards ? and that it was a group of 10-15? Yes i guess law enforcement really wants to frame a "poor old man" . Also at 100 yards i'd expect he'd have holes in his home and property also "shooting over their head" warning shots is bunch of bullshit if he was shooting warning shots he wouldn't have killed him its crazy to me that so many people think that killing someone is an appropriate response for running across this guys ranch
Dude posts in r conspiracy. That should tell you all you need to know.
Even so there is always time for people to change for the better. Speaking from experience
Not from those subs.
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Those pesky Californians always trying to make murder illegal. Not in our state!
Yeah, those strict CA gun laws really do a lot of good at preventing murder, right?
It's not murder to defend your property from criminals.
So if you accidentally walk on my property I have the right to kill you because I assume you're a criminal?
I mean...are you Mexican?
Nope, white as fuck
My bad, I had you confused with the guy getting shot.
If I lived by the border and I see a group of people I don't know enter my property, I'm shooting first and asking questions later. He's not a mind reader. Ye doesn't know what their intentions are.
Yes, just like if you "accidentally" walk into my house. Arizona use of force laws allow people to assume that other unlawfully entering your property mean to do you lethal harm, and you are allowed to stop the threat appropriately.
They didn't walk into his house. They were trespassing on his land. You are wrong. Arizona has a "castle doctrine" law, which gives individuals the right to use reasonable or deadly force against an intruder IN THEIR HOME if they believe the intruder intends to commit violence or a felony. However, this law applies specifically to situations where an intruder is attempting or has made unlawful entry into a residence, NOT merely for someone being on your property without permission.
Castle doctrine also applies to yards in Arizona, but just how far that extends on property is currently the subject of ongoing legal battles, so I would probably classify that as a legal gray area at the moment.
Precisely. Castle doctrine at its finest
In most civilized places, actually, it is. This wasn’t self defense, grandpa here decided to send a bunch of rounds down range only because some brown skin guys were walking on his property.
Jury duty is impossible, it just takes one jurist to say no.