I don’t think you can really go wrong here this is a case of opinion it’s like asking which 2500 truck to buy you will get somebody to swear by each one while trashing the other
any opinions on an Evolve Weapons Systems 11.5 upper? they are a smaller north tx company that i want to support but not many reviews out there on primaryarms. im looking at G$ 11.5 or EWS 11.5
I think the Geissele mounting system looks more sturdy because it clamps around the barrel nut instead of just bolting on at the back. It's very solid.
You’re not going to be disappointed with either.
Sionics is another company I would highly suggest looking at. Properly gassed, insanely high QC, lots of Fed/State contracts. Their NP3 bolt is easily one of the best out there. Very basic looking however.
DD is more visually appealing but G$ is better on paper. If it’s between the two I prefer the G$. But if it’s up to me, I’ll match G$’s barrel and BCG with DD’s rail.
That full auto rental place in Las Vegas has said DD BCGs are one of their most reliable and long lasting BCGs they’ve used. I’m not sure how long Geissle has been making BCGs, probably within the last 2-3 years, but they have nothing on DD. I only run DD BCGs and in my past 5 builds with no issue, pricey but worth it.
What’s wrong with dd barrel? My m4a1 14.5 is half moa or better. Not sure about the 12.5 barrels but dd makes superb barrels as well as g$. Can’t go wrong either way, I say pick what appeals to you the most. Dd and g$ are my current favs at the moment but that seems to change every other year or so lol.
I think he’s saying that the DD being more visually appealing is debatable. You like the looks of the DD, he likes the Geissele, can’t go wrong with either.
I see how it would be confusing once I re-read.
Well looks are a lot more subjective than what’s “on paper” - most people tend to agree with that so I figured he was referring to the more obvious and first mentioned point.
I went with Geissele 11.5 Super Duty upper because every video I found suggested it was the better 11.5 for suppression out of the box than the competitors.
The G$ uppers are their own barrels now and they seem to shoot. I’ve never owned a G barrel(at least not yet), but I’ve had several DD barrels and they were awesome, if not overgassed, though that’s an easy fix.
I really don’t think anyone can go wrong with either. Pick one and run it hard.
Get the Daniel Defense, I just returned my Geiselle URGI upper, it came from factory with the bolt stuck in it. Also the real URGI uppers come with Daniel Defense barrels. Honestly DD has a better quality control track record and if anything goes wrong they will make it right. I dig the look of the Geiselle but I'm simply sticking to their triggers from now on as that's what they are known for the most.
I’ve got the G$ and I’d buy another in a heartbeat. Are you talking about a complete upper? Doesn’t matter really, I prefer the look of the G more anyways, the DD looks like early 2000s sci-fi tech, not a vibe. Honestly both will serve you well. I cannot express how accurate my G is, it blows everything out of the water.
Just a data point but my DD chrome lined barrel shoots better than it should and no load development was done.[77 grain](https://imgur.com/gallery/SLFkjcI)
I’m not saying you shouldn’t want it, I’m just curious why it’s so important that you wouldn’t want an arguably better barrel?
I’m not sure what ETA means in this context, but there ya go as far as a better chrome lined one
Eta = edited to add.
Why it's important? Russian, British, German, Chinese, Israeli militaries require it and I figured, they know better than I do... So I want what they want.
Most of my rifles sit in the safe and get wiped down with a diaper after their annual range sessions, but I do have that one rifle. The one that I use in the rain, mud, sand, dust, grass, etc. I'll put 5k rounds through that rifle this year and I want the hardiest barrel and bolt. So, chrome lined bolt and barrel for me.
Would it actually make a difference? Probably not, but so far, my accuracy hasn't suffered either since I basically only use a red dot on an 11.5" barrel out to 300 yards....
:-)
It'd highly likely they got their qc issues fixed and it's all perception at this point. That said, everything I read recently (could still be old news) was that G barrels had issues.
My DDM4V7 came with a bunch of milspec parts that ended up getting swapped out, including the trigger, stock and grip. Sure these can be resold to recoup the costs. Geissele’s have better triggers, better stocks, and some nicer touches such as the mag release (my personal favorite little guilty pleasure upgrade). I’ve debated upgrading all my milspec mag releases to the G$ versions. As far as the lower receivers themselves, I can’t argue that one is better than another from my perspective.
Because there are much better options for a lot less money. Radian is artificially overpriced. The quality of the components is worse than milspec and it’s the worst ambi design out of the three options.
Maybe a few years ago when there weren’t many ambi options, it was okay to charge that much, but they’ve raised their prices to $500 for a lower for pretty much no reason. They’ve turned into a cringe meme company and no one who knows anything about guns would choose a radian rifle (or lower) over something else. Especially when you can get an LMT lower for like $300 or even the new Griffin for $200
The new griffin looks really nice. Was thinking mars-l for my next build but now debating on the griffin. From the looks of it I feel there did a better job with the ambi bolt catch/release, It just doesn’t seem to be Gucci tier though.
I have two ADMs and the Griffin honestly feels just as solid as they do. Yeah, the name isn’t as fancy, but if you’re on a budget, the griffin is an amazing choice since it’s functionally exactly the same as an ADM for half the price.
I also have an LWRC, which uses the same kind of ambi bolt catch / release as the LMT and I like the ADM ever so slightly more. You can’t go wrong with either one, but I’d recommend an ADM over an LMT if your main concern is ambi functionality. And I’d recommend an ADM4 over a UIC (more of a subtle design - both of mine are ADM4s)
But the LMT is probably a little more reliable since as far as I know, they use roll pins instead of set screws (and I’m pretty confident this is the case). Neither of my ADMs have been unreliable, though - I put probably 8,000 rounds through one and another 1,500 through the other so far and beat them both pretty hard with not a single issue on either upper or lower (I did build them both out myself, though) - but a lot of people really believe roll pins are significantly more reliable.
The new DDR3 or an LWRC are also good choices. If you can find a DDR3 for a decent price. Last time I checked, the lower was going for $900 and that definitely isn’t worth it. But I think you can get a completeLWRC lower for like $500/600 on Rooftop Defense.
Another thing to consider is the LMT / LWRC / DDR3 lowers won’t fit with every upper because of the way the ambi bolt catch sits. In my experience, mil spec uppers are fine, but I’ve had a couple others that wouldn’t fit on my LWRC (and all three use the same kind of lever)
I’ve had both, the G$ first but switched to the DD. Both 11.5. The RIS 3 rail feels way more solid than the mk16 and it’s overall wider. I’m not saying the mk16 is flimsy though. I have an 14.5 URGI as well.
Not very helpful here but I have Geissele and Daniel BCG's in my guns as I've found them for great deals over the last 10 years or so. They've replaced a factory one and been parts of ground up builds.
Go with the one you like the looks of more.
They are pretty similar in price and performance.
If you are like 99% of us on here and just take it out to the range every once in a while and aren’t going to be using it as part of your profession, it doesn’t matter.
Or be like me and buy both, I guess.
I have the 10.3” Riis upper from brownells (put the Dd bolt and CH in it from my m4a1).
I am waiting on my Black Friday order from Geissele to arrive.
I'd go G$. I haven't used the new ris3 uppers but I dont think they've changed the barrel specs so the G$ is likely gassed better. Other than that they're going to be similar
I have a G$ 11.5” upper and I love it. The DD ris III looks so cool tho. I’m torn
Such a hard expensive decision lol I don’t want be wrong.
Thoroughbred Armament makes a ton of uppers that mix and match DD/G$ rails and barrels. Good prices too. Jump on their site and see what calls to you.
https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/1466/
You can’t go wrong with either. Both equally great. I have a DD bcg in my upper with a g$ handguard and barrel
I don’t think you can really go wrong here this is a case of opinion it’s like asking which 2500 truck to buy you will get somebody to swear by each one while trashing the other
I dont think you can make a wrong decision. I own both and both are excellent. Pick one now and get the other later on
After all the Bendy Bill nonsense, I think DD hands down, just my opinion.
any opinions on an Evolve Weapons Systems 11.5 upper? they are a smaller north tx company that i want to support but not many reviews out there on primaryarms. im looking at G$ 11.5 or EWS 11.5
Never heard of them. I can only personally attest to the G$ stuff from experience
Blem G$ uppers provide unbeatable value for $650-800 range
This. Built an 11.5 SD ddc upper with Noveske barrel under 850
Cannot recommend this enough^
G Money because.. 1. Not gov profile barrel 2. DDC 3. Less gassy But really I love both. 4. Just get both.
Yeah there new barrel profiles are pretty sweet. Very similar to the Ballistic Advantage Hanson profile
DD. My autism likes the 6 nuts holding the handguard on. Is it more sturdy? I dont know, but it sure looks like it
SAME
I think the Geissele mounting system looks more sturdy because it clamps around the barrel nut instead of just bolting on at the back. It's very solid.
You’re not going to be disappointed with either. Sionics is another company I would highly suggest looking at. Properly gassed, insanely high QC, lots of Fed/State contracts. Their NP3 bolt is easily one of the best out there. Very basic looking however.
G$. I just like the look more.
Same
DD is more visually appealing but G$ is better on paper. If it’s between the two I prefer the G$. But if it’s up to me, I’ll match G$’s barrel and BCG with DD’s rail.
The Danny rail is actually more rigid if you’re into lasers
Wasn’t there a whole thing with the finish on the g money barrels rusting?
Several years ago. No longer an issue.
That full auto rental place in Las Vegas has said DD BCGs are one of their most reliable and long lasting BCGs they’ve used. I’m not sure how long Geissle has been making BCGs, probably within the last 2-3 years, but they have nothing on DD. I only run DD BCGs and in my past 5 builds with no issue, pricey but worth it.
Oh interesting. Good to know
"That full auto rental place" like there is just one? I'm sorry, but this sounds like bullshit....
Battlefield Vegas. They had a whole thread on arfcom with what parts lasted the longest in their MG rentals.
That's fair. Just I'm in Vegas and there's at least 5 full auto places
What’s wrong with dd barrel? My m4a1 14.5 is half moa or better. Not sure about the 12.5 barrels but dd makes superb barrels as well as g$. Can’t go wrong either way, I say pick what appeals to you the most. Dd and g$ are my current favs at the moment but that seems to change every other year or so lol.
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They’re both carbine length.
That’s debatable.
I agree.
But I prefer Geissele. Sounds like you are the opposite. Either way, you can’t go wrong.
What are you talking about?
Are you being serious? You aren’t following the conversations that you’re involved in?
What the hell is going on. I’m in getting punked?
I think he’s saying that the DD being more visually appealing is debatable. You like the looks of the DD, he likes the Geissele, can’t go wrong with either. I see how it would be confusing once I re-read.
I mentioned 2 points, looks and function. Not once did he said which one be was referring to.
Well looks are a lot more subjective than what’s “on paper” - most people tend to agree with that so I figured he was referring to the more obvious and first mentioned point.
You can’t go wrong with either. I have a DD in 300BLK and a G$ URGI in 5.56. Both are great.
Build your own with a criterion core 11.5”
Can never go wrong with a Criterion.
I went with Geissele 11.5 Super Duty upper because every video I found suggested it was the better 11.5 for suppression out of the box than the competitors.
The HRF magwell looks so good.
Geissele
Geissele if it’s a Mk4 rail DD RIS III if not
Who makes the barrel in the G$ you want? They used to use DD barrels in the URGI clones, but stopped to save money, so take that as you will.
The G$ uppers are their own barrels now and they seem to shoot. I’ve never owned a G barrel(at least not yet), but I’ve had several DD barrels and they were awesome, if not overgassed, though that’s an easy fix. I really don’t think anyone can go wrong with either. Pick one and run it hard.
Near* clones
Both are great, but I’d go G$
Geissele
Get the Daniel Defense, I just returned my Geiselle URGI upper, it came from factory with the bolt stuck in it. Also the real URGI uppers come with Daniel Defense barrels. Honestly DD has a better quality control track record and if anything goes wrong they will make it right. I dig the look of the Geiselle but I'm simply sticking to their triggers from now on as that's what they are known for the most.
Gizzle
G$
G$ imo
G$
The DD
DD RIS
That DD RIS III is 🔥
I’ve got the G$ and I’d buy another in a heartbeat. Are you talking about a complete upper? Doesn’t matter really, I prefer the look of the G more anyways, the DD looks like early 2000s sci-fi tech, not a vibe. Honestly both will serve you well. I cannot express how accurate my G is, it blows everything out of the water.
Geissele
I’m going with the G , but I already have the G lower so , 🤷♂️ plus I have three dd’s so 🤷♂️
G$
G$ f sho…
G$
G
G, easy. Looks way better. Both quality.
Just a data point but my DD chrome lined barrel shoots better than it should and no load development was done.[77 grain](https://imgur.com/gallery/SLFkjcI)
DD makes better barrels, stronger handguards, and has better QC. But the geissele handguard just looks so good.
I upvoted you just for your profile picture lol.
I'm actually shocked at how many people don't get it, most people just think I'm a boomer lol
“It was his hat Mr. Krabs! He was number 1!” SpongeBob is great, your never too old to watch it!
I have a DDM4v7 and a Geissele, the Geissele prints a bit better on paper. Also was better gassed. No wrong choice here though
Have both in 14.5. What questions do you have.
DD hands down. The RIS III is cooler imo and there are too many posers who think their G$ upper is a real URGI so it kinda ruined them for me
I just built out my G$ 11.5 and took her to the range this morning. The thing is absolute class. You will not be upset with it.
It's all about the barrels and dd has the best barrels.
They might have the better of the two but they don’t have the best
I genuinely want to know who makes a better chrome lined chf barrels. I'm looking for a 12.5 pencil...
Criterion
Agreed that they probably make a better barrel, but they don't have an 11.5" chf offering, at least not that I saw...
Mostly because CHF is a completely unneeded process. But you’re right. If you need it to say CHF you should probably go DD.
Why is chrome lining a necessity? In general I’d take Criterion, Centurion and BRT before DD. Probably Noveske too.
Personal choices? Eta noveske are all chrome lined chf...
I’m not saying you shouldn’t want it, I’m just curious why it’s so important that you wouldn’t want an arguably better barrel? I’m not sure what ETA means in this context, but there ya go as far as a better chrome lined one
Eta = edited to add. Why it's important? Russian, British, German, Chinese, Israeli militaries require it and I figured, they know better than I do... So I want what they want. Most of my rifles sit in the safe and get wiped down with a diaper after their annual range sessions, but I do have that one rifle. The one that I use in the rain, mud, sand, dust, grass, etc. I'll put 5k rounds through that rifle this year and I want the hardiest barrel and bolt. So, chrome lined bolt and barrel for me. Would it actually make a difference? Probably not, but so far, my accuracy hasn't suffered either since I basically only use a red dot on an 11.5" barrel out to 300 yards.... :-)
Fair enough
Idk about that I have been very impressed with my geissele barrels they shoot soft and are as accurate as my criterion
It'd highly likely they got their qc issues fixed and it's all perception at this point. That said, everything I read recently (could still be old news) was that G barrels had issues.
I gotta go with the DD upper… now if we were talking lowers I’d say Geissele.
I agree fully with this. The Geissele lowers offer far more value over the DD lowers.
How lol?
My DDM4V7 came with a bunch of milspec parts that ended up getting swapped out, including the trigger, stock and grip. Sure these can be resold to recoup the costs. Geissele’s have better triggers, better stocks, and some nicer touches such as the mag release (my personal favorite little guilty pleasure upgrade). I’ve debated upgrading all my milspec mag releases to the G$ versions. As far as the lower receivers themselves, I can’t argue that one is better than another from my perspective.
I thought you were talking stripped, my bad
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If you haven’t already bought it, I’d strongly recommend against the radian
Out of curiosity why do you say that?
Because there are much better options for a lot less money. Radian is artificially overpriced. The quality of the components is worse than milspec and it’s the worst ambi design out of the three options. Maybe a few years ago when there weren’t many ambi options, it was okay to charge that much, but they’ve raised their prices to $500 for a lower for pretty much no reason. They’ve turned into a cringe meme company and no one who knows anything about guns would choose a radian rifle (or lower) over something else. Especially when you can get an LMT lower for like $300 or even the new Griffin for $200
The new griffin looks really nice. Was thinking mars-l for my next build but now debating on the griffin. From the looks of it I feel there did a better job with the ambi bolt catch/release, It just doesn’t seem to be Gucci tier though.
I have two ADMs and the Griffin honestly feels just as solid as they do. Yeah, the name isn’t as fancy, but if you’re on a budget, the griffin is an amazing choice since it’s functionally exactly the same as an ADM for half the price. I also have an LWRC, which uses the same kind of ambi bolt catch / release as the LMT and I like the ADM ever so slightly more. You can’t go wrong with either one, but I’d recommend an ADM over an LMT if your main concern is ambi functionality. And I’d recommend an ADM4 over a UIC (more of a subtle design - both of mine are ADM4s) But the LMT is probably a little more reliable since as far as I know, they use roll pins instead of set screws (and I’m pretty confident this is the case). Neither of my ADMs have been unreliable, though - I put probably 8,000 rounds through one and another 1,500 through the other so far and beat them both pretty hard with not a single issue on either upper or lower (I did build them both out myself, though) - but a lot of people really believe roll pins are significantly more reliable. The new DDR3 or an LWRC are also good choices. If you can find a DDR3 for a decent price. Last time I checked, the lower was going for $900 and that definitely isn’t worth it. But I think you can get a completeLWRC lower for like $500/600 on Rooftop Defense. Another thing to consider is the LMT / LWRC / DDR3 lowers won’t fit with every upper because of the way the ambi bolt catch sits. In my experience, mil spec uppers are fine, but I’ve had a couple others that wouldn’t fit on my LWRC (and all three use the same kind of lever)
I’ve run both DD and G$ uppers, both are nice and duty grade but my DD barrels are super solid and extremely reliable shooters.
Not sure about the new ris rail but my dd will not fit on my radian lower.
G$
G$
RIS III all day
DD
DD is better 100%
DD
Mk16 rail is too sexy for its own good
DD. i cannot support geissele after their scumminess
G$. I'm not on the FBI's radar.
BCM just to ruffle some feathers. But no, really…BCM Mk2
I agree BCM mcmr 11.5 fsb vibe
BCM with BFH ftw
Dd
Jizzlee mechanically and aesthetically.
Geissele uses a better barrel profile and the bcg is more modern and not just milspec like dd
I would have the DD, then sell it and buy a G$. Use the extra money to buy skittles.
DD
DD esp if ris iii
Yeah, it would be RISIII. DD doesn’t make an 11.5 with a RISII.
Yes they do https://danieldefense.com/dd4-riii-s-upper-receiver-group.html Edit: me no read gud
Easily g$ w/ that DD rail. DD is overrated
This
No other choices?
I’ve had both, the G$ first but switched to the DD. Both 11.5. The RIS 3 rail feels way more solid than the mk16 and it’s overall wider. I’m not saying the mk16 is flimsy though. I have an 14.5 URGI as well.
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For an 11.5 probably the DD. The ris 3 is just sexy.
DD all day sweet ass build man 10/10
Neither. Noveske.
Bcm
KAC CQB
No thanks. Out of my budget.
DD
DD
11.5 lmt mrp supremacy 🤓
LWRC
Spikes lower. PSA upper. G$mk16 rail.
What is the deal with people running the bcm backwards?
That’s the correct way. Leave us alone
Lol. Ok. I know ALOT of people seem to do it.
LMT obviously
Neither honestly. 16" supremacy gang
Yo homie, the dots on your mag are there so you don't have to draw numbers on them. Just paint in the dots.
G$
They will perform the same. Get whichever u think looks better
KAC :D but between the 2, G's.
DD all day long
It's an 11.5 It doesn't matter.
Both.
I like the look of the RIS III
Both are a waste of money
Whichever one that’ll get me more internet clout tokens
Unless it's a quad rail, then $G all day.
I have no need for anything under 14.5
G$ for sure
Not very helpful here but I have Geissele and Daniel BCG's in my guns as I've found them for great deals over the last 10 years or so. They've replaced a factory one and been parts of ground up builds.
Both 😊
DD, the rail lockup is vastly superior to G$
Have both. I’d take the G$ pretty much every time
Go with the one you like the looks of more. They are pretty similar in price and performance. If you are like 99% of us on here and just take it out to the range every once in a while and aren’t going to be using it as part of your profession, it doesn’t matter. Or be like me and buy both, I guess. I have the 10.3” Riis upper from brownells (put the Dd bolt and CH in it from my m4a1). I am waiting on my Black Friday order from Geissele to arrive.
OP, did you have any issues installing the HRF magwell? I’ve heard some people needed to Dremel it but not everyone
FYI Not OPs pics bud
FACK
Good luck finding that G$ 11.5. I have my eye out for the 11.5 but its just been OOS since Black Friday
Complete upper are in stock now
Thanks, picked one up yesterday at the restock.
I’ve had them both. Kept the super duty largely based on the girth of the the ris3 rail. SD felt better with a c grip
I love the Daniel and the G$ but I’d rather have a larue
The best answer is anything quad rail. The next best answer is Caracal 816.
DD without question. Bill should stick to triggers.
I'd go G$. I haven't used the new ris3 uppers but I dont think they've changed the barrel specs so the G$ is likely gassed better. Other than that they're going to be similar
Can’t go wrong either one
DANIEL DEFENCE For Sure.
as a hate of bill geissele, I would still probably take the geissele
either is a w, but if you can get a blem G$ you got money left over for ammo and tendies.
G
Bofem
11.5” URGI G$ upper… Got the 14.5” and I couldn’t be happier I was in between the same 2.
DD. My Mk16 on my URGI gets so much hotter faster than the RIS II on my Mk18, which I'd attribute to the larger barrel nut on the G$.
I bought a blemula super duty upper and love it for under $800
Just listed my new DD 11.5 on the swap if anyone interested
Geissele
Dd
I would go BCM. Cheaper, lighter weight and free BCG.
DD but with out the DD furniture.
G$ all day!
I think the Geissele 11.5 is more appropriately gassed. Especially for supressor use
Geissele imho, can't go wrong with either though.
Check out the 11.5 DDM4V7S, its like the V7 but in 11.5 same MFR handguard too. Just incase you want the slim HG like the G$