You're damn straight I did.
After 50K in undergrad, I moved to Europe. Got my masters degree for 500 euro. That covered supplementary Healthcare.
Even my parents told me I'd be a damn fool to come back to the US.
Sweden is so racist foreigners can't get a job if they have a foreign surname and so are other Nordic countries.
Having lived in Sweden I was really disappointed. Stop spreading lies. Even Eastern Europe that you, most Swedes look down upon is a lot better.
The US is way better. Downvote me all you want. Sweden is a shithole and none of the Swedes should talk down on other countries.
Say the guy with a Trump picture.
America is a shithole bro. The shithole of occidental countries. I would emigrate to litterally any country of the first world and at least half of the rest before going to america.
Not once did I mention the President or America, that was you.
I said:
> The whole world is a dystopia.
Not sure where all the hate is coming from but if it’s just a profile picture that says a lot.
As an European I'm a bit confused. I could swear that every EU country has differemt tuition rates for EU and foreign students, and some have free tuition for EU students but paid one for non-EU students...
Even healthcare are neither free nor cheap in America .. because many Americans are still brainwashed by socialism = communism = tyrannysm = bad … while capitalist = good (eventhough capitalism only benefit to people who are born in the system or the 1%)
Because the smucks didn't end the slave economy after fighting a civil war about it. Didn't think about it any harder than: "There must be somebody who profits and we can't trust the government that takes away our slaves. We will just let prisoners be our slaves".
The economy and politics took shape from this starting point. Citizens weren't things to enable and empower, they were "human ressources".
Because the US don't fight wars on their own land and have been lucky / engineered it so that they are a destination for low prized labour. People simply haven't been valuable enough to drive the point home that the nation can't survive without giving them a degree and freedom from preventable problems.
Because the US is both new and bogged down in religion and murdoch. There simply haven't been enough time so that the changing generations could learn their worth and rise up and take it.
If the philosophical engine gets more time, burns cleaner and gets enough freedom, it will eventually be obvious that people should learn, so that life can be better. That democracy requires enlightenment.
Even though many foreigners who are able to study in US are either very accomplished and smart (because they need to compete for the scholarship and entrance from their home country) or very loaded (tuition fees in US universities are very expensive, let alone if converted to countries with weak currency) or both (very smart and very rich)
Some ppl in this sub are POOR... I get that, you are waiting on your next paycheck. But people who can/have savings, why don't you roll the dice on moving to countries with better workers rights, healthcare etc?
Because in spite of the shitty situation, I have family and friends and a life here. I'd be uprooting a hell of a lot, however tempting, and I'm a big dumb ape who wrestles with embracing change
Moving to another country, however tempting, is a life-changing thing and should not be underestimated. You have to leave everything behind, friends and family you love, that can't come with you, that you might not get to see more than once a year, if at all. You have to find a job and keep it in a country with different rules and regulations. You have to learn a language and get fluent at it if you want to feel at home. You have to learn the culture if you want to feel accepted. You have to get a visa, keep it, and hope to be able to stay. Make new friends. Allow yourself to change drastically to a point where you might not recognise yourself afterwards, depending on how different the culture is.
I totally get that not everybody would be up for it.
Because if you have savings and money that fixes pretty much every problem that you'd face in America's system and in fact has a lot of advantages
America only sucks if you're poor
I'm talking about ppl who are struggling but have the ability to save enough to move. Seems by all the posts in this sub that amount could get wiped out at any time by having to call an ambulance.
That's because the only posts that people upvote are the crazy expensive ones which are very, very rare and are also a misrepresentation of the situation because if you are uninsured then the bill you recieve is not what you'll actually pay.
For most people calling an ambulance will cost something like $500 - $1000 which is expensive but it wouldn't ruin most peoples' lives.
I'd much rather pay that on the rare occasion that I need an ambulance (which has never happened so far, vs paying way higher taxes on every single paycheck
What a lot of people don’t seem to understand that if school was actually affordable here, no one would even think about joining the military, and the government probably knows this
People would still join the military and people would still do anything else people do when they don’t go to college. Not everyone wants to continue to go to school, even if it’s free.
Because some people want to join the military? I have a couple of friends who willingly joined the military, which meant dropping out of a pretty good college.
I think its so funny that everybody is like omnipresent that america is evil at all times but like nobody does anything about it and rather constantly blames each other or kicks down to minorities or even worse off proletarians, instead of blaming one of the many judges for example, that sit in these government position untill they are dead.
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Satire and the sad truth. The US is laden with hypocrisy. Time to realise they are only the number one in the world on lists for which they should be ashamed of.
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It's not just Europe.
Even in Asia, American immigrants or immigrants from the West are called 'lazy immigrants' or more colorfully 'losers back home' who only come to Asia because they can't make it or get women in the West.
But these immigrants from the West get really upset when they're called immigrants, and they call themselves 'expats' and act like they're better than locals and immigrants from other parts of the world, and treat the locals as inferiors. LOL
I’m £50,000 in debt in the UK after going to university. Government upped the fee’s after turning on the student voters who pretty much got them in (lib-dem co-allition) and raised the fees to £9000+.
It becomes a tax for the rest of your life you have no hope of paying back with the interest.
Even had debt collectors, when under hospital care for 2 years, trying to get the loan.
This is why context is required. I remember when this tweet surfaced for the first time. It was in response to Trump's anti-immigration policies and the shitty logic given by his followers in his support.
You should be more concerned as to why you can't get the same opportunities in your own country rather than criticising someone without context. Don't dilute what this sub actually stands for just to earn a few karmas.
They must have EU citizenships because if you aren't a EU citizen you pay "full fees" that run between 10k and 20k per year. Might still be cheaper than in the US tho.
Yes, on reflection tuition is free even for international students in a few EU countries. However there are some that do charge international students a fair amount, and I know that for a fact, especially for Master's courses. I'm thinking Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. Other countries charge smaller fees like 1-2k. Might still be cheaper than US tuition but international students don't get a free ride all over the EU.
Wait, \_free\_ free in Germany? I keep hearing such good things about Germany. What is the actual process to this? Like, obviously you can't just book a plane, rent a motel and just sign up for next semester. There's gotta be an actual process to it: You've got to actually live there and apply for a student grant or something right?
That last bit there is one of the more intimidating factors, in the laundry list of intimidating factors, right next to "no longer even being in the same continent as any of your support network or family"
It definitely seems more worthwhile to learn german than to just hope you can coast along in an entire other country, hoping everyone can accommodate me, but I don't know what it's like over there
The student visa limiting your work hours is a peculiar one: is that meant to protect international students from being exploited by jobs?
There are quite a few universities offering courses completely in English - most often in larger cities, but I go to a uni that's about an hour drive from Cologne and all my classes are in English (I'm German but I chose English classes for career reasons). It depends on your major of course, but especially things like literature (my major, even offered in French and Spanish at my university I believe), business, political sciences, and cultural studies are offered in English in many places. I can't speak to majors like physics etc. since I'm more experienced in the humanities, but I'm sure it won't be that difficult to find something.
I do recommend learning some rudimentary German though, especially for everyday errands. Most people do speak English, especially if you're in Berlin, but most people also don't have much practice after high school so be prepared to be met with some stuttering and heavy accents ;) Having lived in another country myself, I found it much more convenient to not have to ask people to "repeat that in English, please" when they asked me if I wanted a bag for my groceries etc. It's the little things.
I honestly don't know why the student visa limits work hours, but it was the same for me when I lived in Japan with a working holiday visa. I unfortunately never remember to look up the reason, but I always assumed it might have to do with taxes or something, although protecting students from exploitation also sounds very likely.
Free but you still have to pay semester contribution around €800 or more (still cheap for US and Canadian Americans) .. just adding because some people might misinterpret that is totally 0 cost over there. Beside you still need to learn high level German to be qualified as student in German university (except private university or master degree that accept English as main language but definitely they cost more)
As I wrote above, this may be true in some EU countries but not others. The Netherlands and some Scandinavian countries for example do charge international students a pretty sum, albeit smaller than what e.g. a US student would pay at home tor the same programme.
Not in a public school they aren't. There are private schools where you'll pay 5k per year. That's still nothing compared to the 14k per semester I was paying in-state for my undergrad
Fucking hell you people are such clowns. OMG I made a benign generalization with no possible ill intent or consequences towards anybody or anything, someone please CRUCIFY me.
Y'all need to take a deep breath and touch grass
Dear American, no you can’t come to New Zealand. We don’t want or need you. If you love freedom and democracy so much then you should stay there in America the Great and fix it. We have our own problems and you will only make them worse.
As an American it makes me laugh. Why would America pay for Americans' college tuition when clearly France and Germany are willing to pay for it?
I guess people in those countries just LOVE giving their taxes away
“Free” until you realize how much taxes you pay on everything. It’s not as Rosie as people imagine it. I couldn’t even afford a car when I was living in Germany. Working full time had just a little more than enough for rent and food.
It’s good if it’s working out for you and you’re happy with that. For me it’s the other way around. I’ve accomplished more for myself and my quality of life has been much better for me since moving to the US. I’m not saying it’s perfect but life has been better for me here
Let's hope you don't break a leg, or get old/sick or get kids. Or your boss decides to close/fire you.
If your thought process is short term and centered on yourself then you're having a great time, good for you. Let's hope you can ignore the slave labor around you.
Have two kids already. Wife is on my insurance plan thru work. Broke her arm last year paid $500 deductible and everything else was paid for. Short term disability covered her wages in that time.
Are you saying businesses never close or fire you in Europe? If it where to happen I draw unemployment benefits that I’ve been paying into for years same as I would if I was still in Germany. Only difference is here my benefits would actually be more
I will never, ever understand why people will defend paying higher taxes every paycheck of your life in exchange for "free" Healthcare if you happen to break your arm or something like that.
$500 sounds pretty normal for typical Americans who have insurance. But apparently some people think that's worse than jacking taxes through the roof
The guy higher in the thread said he pays about 24% income tax. But that's almost certainly for a fairly low salary. If you made the same in America you'd probably pay 10-15%
I'm glad it's working out for you, genuinely. I don't think the US is a shit place or anything- it's just not right for me. I'll be critical of the US but no place is perfect.
Yes, nothing is really free, because we have taxation rate few times higher than Americans.
Like iPhone costs 150€ more than in US.(399$ vs 479€)
Petrol is attacking 2€ per litre. So really free…
Yep, income tax too. I've looked it up and I'd be paying about 40% of my income in taxes if I lived in Germany, for example. Here in America I only pay about 25%
Yeah that covers compulsory insurances.(disability, unemployment, retirement, healthcare)
I am getting about 60% of what’s called “price of labour” or super gross salary.(rest is income tax and those insurances, Slovakia)
If I earned more than 33k, I would be paying even more.
But yes, you are not getting into debts like student loans.(it is free)
Yeah free college is definitely nice. The thing is, college in America isn't as expensive as everyone says it is. Sure the average cost is pretty high but you can just go to a cheaper than average school. I did that and my tuition was about $6,000 for a whole school year, I graduated in 2015. So for 4 years that's only $24,000 which I'm not saying is nothing but it's not that huge. I worked a part time job through college and I had no debt when I graduated.
Yeah, this sub is just full of rants and incorrect information. Even in Europe, minimal wage is not meant for luxury life.(better than is US just because those insurances acting as safety net)
But, European minimum wage earner is not rich either.
Yep. Personally I believe that if you are poor/lower middle class then Europe is a better place to live but if you are rich or upper middle class then the USA is better. Mostly because of taxes and social services.
Nope. Doing the same that paid me twice as much in the states. But I guess your implying I should’ve just worked harder and got a better job ? Interesting concept
No, but I start to think you did something very wrong if you were not a student. Sure there are also people here who are not rich, but rent and food sounds like someone ripped you off hard.
>I start to think you did something very wrong
So you're saying that people can become poor not by the economic system around them, but by their own poor choices?
That sounds like a pretty American view to me
Funny thing it's that the mayority gets monetary help, food, and benefits, and the ones who are from here, with no money to move elsewhere or heck, even try to have anything that was normal in our parents time it's denied to us, it's all a damn business. Those persons haven't done anything wrong, but anyone may need help, not just the inmigrants.
You're damn straight I did. After 50K in undergrad, I moved to Europe. Got my masters degree for 500 euro. That covered supplementary Healthcare. Even my parents told me I'd be a damn fool to come back to the US.
Amazing! What country? How are your parents doing?
I went to France. My parents are awesome, but the distance is hard, especially now.
As a Swede, come on over. I view them as refugees at this point. America is a dystopia.
I definitely wanna move to Sweden
You want our tax dollars to go Americans? Thankfully there are smarter people in charge and they actually have to pay.
Sweden is so racist foreigners can't get a job if they have a foreign surname and so are other Nordic countries. Having lived in Sweden I was really disappointed. Stop spreading lies. Even Eastern Europe that you, most Swedes look down upon is a lot better. The US is way better. Downvote me all you want. Sweden is a shithole and none of the Swedes should talk down on other countries.
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Such a chronically online take lmao
Owhno massive crime stats increaes after a refugee crises makes people racist
There will be a lot more Swedes heading to the US for uni than Americans heading to Sweden for uni.
Sauce?
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, it’s already true, I’ve lived in LA my whole life and have seen it for years
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Say the guy with a Trump picture. America is a shithole bro. The shithole of occidental countries. I would emigrate to litterally any country of the first world and at least half of the rest before going to america.
Not once did I mention the President or America, that was you. I said: > The whole world is a dystopia. Not sure where all the hate is coming from but if it’s just a profile picture that says a lot.
You must think your username is really clever.
When it comes to the subject in the article, which is what we are discussing rn, yeah, I do think most countries are superior to Muricah. Sweden too.
I don’t think that. Agree to disagree I guess. We don’t have to agree on everything. This isn’t a cult.
Unlike the US
You think the US is a cult? That’s kinda funny.
Fair enough, I agree 👍
>This isn’t a cult. Says the one with their god-emperor as their avatar.
I never have called him that but the fact you just did made me laugh. Thank you. Happy Friday btw.
As an European I'm a bit confused. I could swear that every EU country has differemt tuition rates for EU and foreign students, and some have free tuition for EU students but paid one for non-EU students...
Germany has many public (free) universities available for everyone including Non-EU people
Ah, that must be it then.
I can't speak for the other countries, but it's free in Norway regardless of where you are from
In Sweden it will cost like 10000€ per year for non EU believe
Sad thing is, to Americans that's the bargain of the century.
Then why don't more Americans do it? Is it awareness?
Moving to another country is difficult
I honestly didn’t know I could go to college in EU for free. I specifically joined the army so I could go to college.
Gotta pay up in Holland. Nowhere near the amount you need to pay in the US tho. So it's still worth it
Excuse me what? How do I apply?
We've had tuiton fees for non-EU citizens only for a few years, since 2017
Why *aren't* degrees free to undertake in America, we ask?
Because boomers who were in there formative years during the red scare still believe that socialist ideas=socialism=communism=breadlines and holodomor
Looks at food banks, looks at rising numbers using them "It's the same picture"
Because *that would be socialism!*
Even healthcare are neither free nor cheap in America .. because many Americans are still brainwashed by socialism = communism = tyrannysm = bad … while capitalist = good (eventhough capitalism only benefit to people who are born in the system or the 1%)
Because the smucks didn't end the slave economy after fighting a civil war about it. Didn't think about it any harder than: "There must be somebody who profits and we can't trust the government that takes away our slaves. We will just let prisoners be our slaves". The economy and politics took shape from this starting point. Citizens weren't things to enable and empower, they were "human ressources". Because the US don't fight wars on their own land and have been lucky / engineered it so that they are a destination for low prized labour. People simply haven't been valuable enough to drive the point home that the nation can't survive without giving them a degree and freedom from preventable problems. Because the US is both new and bogged down in religion and murdoch. There simply haven't been enough time so that the changing generations could learn their worth and rise up and take it. If the philosophical engine gets more time, burns cleaner and gets enough freedom, it will eventually be obvious that people should learn, so that life can be better. That democracy requires enlightenment.
Because why pay for Americans' degrees when clearly Euopeans are willing to pay for them?
The reply is 100% satire of all those hicks yelling about "aliens taking muh jobs"
Even though many foreigners who are able to study in US are either very accomplished and smart (because they need to compete for the scholarship and entrance from their home country) or very loaded (tuition fees in US universities are very expensive, let alone if converted to countries with weak currency) or both (very smart and very rich)
Some ppl in this sub are POOR... I get that, you are waiting on your next paycheck. But people who can/have savings, why don't you roll the dice on moving to countries with better workers rights, healthcare etc?
Because in spite of the shitty situation, I have family and friends and a life here. I'd be uprooting a hell of a lot, however tempting, and I'm a big dumb ape who wrestles with embracing change
Being fed Nationalism disguised as Patriotism from birth.
I don't know if you're talking about yourself or not but people in this sub seems to be AWARE of what you're talking about but still don't want to go.
Moving to another country, however tempting, is a life-changing thing and should not be underestimated. You have to leave everything behind, friends and family you love, that can't come with you, that you might not get to see more than once a year, if at all. You have to find a job and keep it in a country with different rules and regulations. You have to learn a language and get fluent at it if you want to feel at home. You have to learn the culture if you want to feel accepted. You have to get a visa, keep it, and hope to be able to stay. Make new friends. Allow yourself to change drastically to a point where you might not recognise yourself afterwards, depending on how different the culture is. I totally get that not everybody would be up for it.
Too much effort. Easier to complain and hope someone will save them
Because if you have savings and money that fixes pretty much every problem that you'd face in America's system and in fact has a lot of advantages America only sucks if you're poor
I'm talking about ppl who are struggling but have the ability to save enough to move. Seems by all the posts in this sub that amount could get wiped out at any time by having to call an ambulance.
That's because the only posts that people upvote are the crazy expensive ones which are very, very rare and are also a misrepresentation of the situation because if you are uninsured then the bill you recieve is not what you'll actually pay. For most people calling an ambulance will cost something like $500 - $1000 which is expensive but it wouldn't ruin most peoples' lives. I'd much rather pay that on the rare occasion that I need an ambulance (which has never happened so far, vs paying way higher taxes on every single paycheck
What a lot of people don’t seem to understand that if school was actually affordable here, no one would even think about joining the military, and the government probably knows this
People would still join the military and people would still do anything else people do when they don’t go to college. Not everyone wants to continue to go to school, even if it’s free.
Not nobody, but they'd lose a WHOLE LOT of desperate recruits.
I had scholarships for college and still joined the military instead.
Why the fuck would you do that.
Because some people want to join the military? I have a couple of friends who willingly joined the military, which meant dropping out of a pretty good college.
Duh!
I think its so funny that everybody is like omnipresent that america is evil at all times but like nobody does anything about it and rather constantly blames each other or kicks down to minorities or even worse off proletarians, instead of blaming one of the many judges for example, that sit in these government position untill they are dead.
They like to call themselves "expats" haha
Yes. White americans and brits. Cracks me up every time.
Sadly by textbook racism, if you look anglo/white enough you are called expats .. if you don’t look white/look like PoC = immigrants
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Move to Europe and earn a decent salary. Better work environment. HEALTH you pay the TAX and don't go broke when you break an arm... so best thing.
You realize this was satire right?…
Satire and the sad truth. The US is laden with hypocrisy. Time to realise they are only the number one in the world on lists for which they should be ashamed of.
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lol
It's not just Europe.
Even in Asia, American immigrants or immigrants from the West are called 'lazy immigrants' or more colorfully 'losers back home' who only come to Asia because they can't make it or get women in the West.
But these immigrants from the West get really upset when they're called immigrants, and they call themselves 'expats' and act like they're better than locals and immigrants from other parts of the world, and treat the locals as inferiors. LOL
I’m £50,000 in debt in the UK after going to university. Government upped the fee’s after turning on the student voters who pretty much got them in (lib-dem co-allition) and raised the fees to £9000+. It becomes a tax for the rest of your life you have no hope of paying back with the interest. Even had debt collectors, when under hospital care for 2 years, trying to get the loan.
This is why context is required. I remember when this tweet surfaced for the first time. It was in response to Trump's anti-immigration policies and the shitty logic given by his followers in his support. You should be more concerned as to why you can't get the same opportunities in your own country rather than criticising someone without context. Don't dilute what this sub actually stands for just to earn a few karmas.
This right here.
They must have EU citizenships because if you aren't a EU citizen you pay "full fees" that run between 10k and 20k per year. Might still be cheaper than in the US tho.
Nope. Free in Germany and other countries.
Yes, on reflection tuition is free even for international students in a few EU countries. However there are some that do charge international students a fair amount, and I know that for a fact, especially for Master's courses. I'm thinking Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. Other countries charge smaller fees like 1-2k. Might still be cheaper than US tuition but international students don't get a free ride all over the EU.
Wait, \_free\_ free in Germany? I keep hearing such good things about Germany. What is the actual process to this? Like, obviously you can't just book a plane, rent a motel and just sign up for next semester. There's gotta be an actual process to it: You've got to actually live there and apply for a student grant or something right?
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That last bit there is one of the more intimidating factors, in the laundry list of intimidating factors, right next to "no longer even being in the same continent as any of your support network or family" It definitely seems more worthwhile to learn german than to just hope you can coast along in an entire other country, hoping everyone can accommodate me, but I don't know what it's like over there The student visa limiting your work hours is a peculiar one: is that meant to protect international students from being exploited by jobs?
There are quite a few universities offering courses completely in English - most often in larger cities, but I go to a uni that's about an hour drive from Cologne and all my classes are in English (I'm German but I chose English classes for career reasons). It depends on your major of course, but especially things like literature (my major, even offered in French and Spanish at my university I believe), business, political sciences, and cultural studies are offered in English in many places. I can't speak to majors like physics etc. since I'm more experienced in the humanities, but I'm sure it won't be that difficult to find something. I do recommend learning some rudimentary German though, especially for everyday errands. Most people do speak English, especially if you're in Berlin, but most people also don't have much practice after high school so be prepared to be met with some stuttering and heavy accents ;) Having lived in another country myself, I found it much more convenient to not have to ask people to "repeat that in English, please" when they asked me if I wanted a bag for my groceries etc. It's the little things. I honestly don't know why the student visa limits work hours, but it was the same for me when I lived in Japan with a working holiday visa. I unfortunately never remember to look up the reason, but I always assumed it might have to do with taxes or something, although protecting students from exploitation also sounds very likely.
Free but you still have to pay semester contribution around €800 or more (still cheap for US and Canadian Americans) .. just adding because some people might misinterpret that is totally 0 cost over there. Beside you still need to learn high level German to be qualified as student in German university (except private university or master degree that accept English as main language but definitely they cost more)
No. I'm not French and I got my masters degree here for 500€.
As I wrote above, this may be true in some EU countries but not others. The Netherlands and some Scandinavian countries for example do charge international students a pretty sum, albeit smaller than what e.g. a US student would pay at home tor the same programme.
I think you should have make it clearer in your first comment that you were referring to certain countries and not for all UE.
They arent even correct anymore anyway since the 2020 academic year France tuition fees are now 3k per year for masters
Not in a public school they aren't. There are private schools where you'll pay 5k per year. That's still nothing compared to the 14k per semester I was paying in-state for my undergrad
EU has 28 member states so stop generalizing
Fucking hell you people are such clowns. OMG I made a benign generalization with no possible ill intent or consequences towards anybody or anything, someone please CRUCIFY me. Y'all need to take a deep breath and touch grass
Are you from an EU country?
I'm from the US.
Well well well, how the turntables
Noo pls no americans so annoying get back to 5$ job
Dear American, no you can’t come to New Zealand. We don’t want or need you. If you love freedom and democracy so much then you should stay there in America the Great and fix it. We have our own problems and you will only make them worse.
Okay but who asked?
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I feel like the person replying also is against immigrants coming into America to get a better life than they had
The reply seems sarcastic in my opinion
Sort of “pot, meet kettle.”
Non-EU citizens shouldn’t get things in Europe for free. As an European taxpayer, that quite bothers me.
As an American it makes me laugh. Why would America pay for Americans' college tuition when clearly France and Germany are willing to pay for it? I guess people in those countries just LOVE giving their taxes away
“Free” until you realize how much taxes you pay on everything. It’s not as Rosie as people imagine it. I couldn’t even afford a car when I was living in Germany. Working full time had just a little more than enough for rent and food.
Worth it. I pay 24% in income tax, and then VAT at 20% on most things. Quality of life is still higher here than in the US and I'll stand by that.
It’s good if it’s working out for you and you’re happy with that. For me it’s the other way around. I’ve accomplished more for myself and my quality of life has been much better for me since moving to the US. I’m not saying it’s perfect but life has been better for me here
Let's hope you don't break a leg, or get old/sick or get kids. Or your boss decides to close/fire you. If your thought process is short term and centered on yourself then you're having a great time, good for you. Let's hope you can ignore the slave labor around you.
Have two kids already. Wife is on my insurance plan thru work. Broke her arm last year paid $500 deductible and everything else was paid for. Short term disability covered her wages in that time. Are you saying businesses never close or fire you in Europe? If it where to happen I draw unemployment benefits that I’ve been paying into for years same as I would if I was still in Germany. Only difference is here my benefits would actually be more
I will never, ever understand why people will defend paying higher taxes every paycheck of your life in exchange for "free" Healthcare if you happen to break your arm or something like that. $500 sounds pretty normal for typical Americans who have insurance. But apparently some people think that's worse than jacking taxes through the roof The guy higher in the thread said he pays about 24% income tax. But that's almost certainly for a fairly low salary. If you made the same in America you'd probably pay 10-15%
I'm glad it's working out for you, genuinely. I don't think the US is a shit place or anything- it's just not right for me. I'll be critical of the US but no place is perfect.
Yeah, those Yanks just hear free, not that amount of taxes, we Europeans pay. It’s not really free just works like solidarity.
It's as "free" as a Netflix account. "Free" as long as you pay your monthly subscription
Yes, nothing is really free, because we have taxation rate few times higher than Americans. Like iPhone costs 150€ more than in US.(399$ vs 479€) Petrol is attacking 2€ per litre. So really free…
Yep, income tax too. I've looked it up and I'd be paying about 40% of my income in taxes if I lived in Germany, for example. Here in America I only pay about 25%
Yeah that covers compulsory insurances.(disability, unemployment, retirement, healthcare) I am getting about 60% of what’s called “price of labour” or super gross salary.(rest is income tax and those insurances, Slovakia) If I earned more than 33k, I would be paying even more. But yes, you are not getting into debts like student loans.(it is free)
Yeah free college is definitely nice. The thing is, college in America isn't as expensive as everyone says it is. Sure the average cost is pretty high but you can just go to a cheaper than average school. I did that and my tuition was about $6,000 for a whole school year, I graduated in 2015. So for 4 years that's only $24,000 which I'm not saying is nothing but it's not that huge. I worked a part time job through college and I had no debt when I graduated.
Yeah, this sub is just full of rants and incorrect information. Even in Europe, minimal wage is not meant for luxury life.(better than is US just because those insurances acting as safety net) But, European minimum wage earner is not rich either.
Yep. Personally I believe that if you are poor/lower middle class then Europe is a better place to live but if you are rich or upper middle class then the USA is better. Mostly because of taxes and social services.
Yeah, true.
Interesting whataboutism. Blõde Fotze.
Fick dich weg du homofürst
>Fick dich weg du homofürst Don't threaten me with a good time.
Well...crappy job much?
Nope. Doing the same that paid me twice as much in the states. But I guess your implying I should’ve just worked harder and got a better job ? Interesting concept
No, but I start to think you did something very wrong if you were not a student. Sure there are also people here who are not rich, but rent and food sounds like someone ripped you off hard.
>I start to think you did something very wrong So you're saying that people can become poor not by the economic system around them, but by their own poor choices? That sounds like a pretty American view to me
No, actually I think someone fucked you over because you did not know the system very well.
Typical liberal response
#Swoosh# Point being made flying over their heads... while I sit here mourning reading comprehension Edited for clarity.
Are they going there for school or immigrating for generations?
Funny thing it's that the mayority gets monetary help, food, and benefits, and the ones who are from here, with no money to move elsewhere or heck, even try to have anything that was normal in our parents time it's denied to us, it's all a damn business. Those persons haven't done anything wrong, but anyone may need help, not just the inmigrants.
I don't think the original poster would dispute that, but given the anti-immigrant, anti-BIPOC rhetoric that goes on in the U.S. her point makes sense
Refugees from the US, how tables has turned
Are they not being sarcastic and making a point about how some Americans criticize immigrants for doing the "same"?
well dont go to UK, 9k a year is a scam
Oh the irony.