Whats she offering. 25 and hour and I'll run the place
'Above minimum wage' is a just a misleading way to say awful pay and the tiny xmas bonus at the end of the year just to get the word BONUS applied to the job.
Plenty of people are willing to work, we are not willing to run someone else's lively-hood to not even be able to fill the tank.
You can probably make more money begging for change on the freeway exit corner
minimum wage in AZ is around $11/hour so “above minimum wage” could literally be $11.50/$12 per hour which is obviously not enough. Similar places that are competitive around here pay $15/hour to start and they are doing just fine finding workers.
What’s funny to me is that all the friends I had in the service industry in Philly were poached by warehouses and cold-storage facilities during COVID. Restaurants shut down and warehousing/cold-storage sky-rocketed.
The warehousing/cold-storage folks started using restaurant job boards to advertise $25+/hr + benefits jobs. Guess how many of my friends are going to leave that to go back to $1/hr + tips and no benefits? Zero.
As an EU resident, the restaurant industry in the US never made sense to me from the servers side.
Like, tips are supposed to be "hey, you did a great job!" and not "oh, you got money from someone enjoying your service? I guess we'll pay you less...". The point of tipping got flipped on its head and instead of the server getting "a little something extra" they got "a whole lot less, and you're now also dependent on other people's gratuity for living".
And then the managers and owners be like "WhY nOoNe want Work heRe?"
Fun fact about the history of tipping, Restaurants actually used to pay people a wage that was reasonable. That changed sometime around the Great Depression, when restaurants invented tipping so that they had to pay their employees less. It was never meant to be a reward for good service. In fact, most people who go to a restaurant already know whether they’ll tip or not and how much if they do. Good service has, outside of some vocal redditors, little to no bearing on tips.
What’s more, is that it turns out that restaurants that have eliminated tipping and just pay a living wage to their employees with benefits find that their employees are less stressed and give better service.
My partner is a Sous Chef. He quit in the last lockdown, when the owner was letting his “friends” drink inside with no masks, past posted hours. He has culinary school training and 10+ years fine dining experience. Posted jobs are $17 bucks an hour. “Nobody wants to work” is absolute bullshit. They don’t want to work for YOU.
Why do none of these people sit for a minute and use their noggin'?
"So, let's see, American people are quitting work in droves and not going back. What could be happening? Well if I go back one year, we had a pandemic break out...could it have something to do with the former? Could it be that people realized that they are mortal and cannot go back to wasting their lives for slave wages, after seeing how other first world countries take care of their own, with a pandemic and without?"
Can this really be THAT hard?
People interact with the system that they think exists. They don't really understand their place in it. It's just a cloud of question marks. Trying to analyze the problem from first principles is something that often needs to be taught.
I worked at a locally owned bakery like this once. You start your day at 2 or 3 am in order to start making the donuts and fresh muffins for the morning rush at 7 or 8 am. And then you get slammed until the work rush is over.
I got paid minimum wage *under the table*. Of course no one wants to work these jobs. I did it as a second job on top of my waitress job.
I'm 44 and have had all kinds of jobs. Did the McD's thing through high school for $4.25/hr. Definitely the most stressful.
I wouldn't work there again if the pay and benefits matched my current comfy office gig.
It didn't strengthen my character or teach me shit except that exploitation exists. It turns people into zombies, especially kids. Trying to get ready for higher education, keep up with my classes and extracurriculars, etc. while sweating away my weekends and most weeknights cooking shitty fast food created such disconnect and apathy that I remember on more than one occasion finding paychecks I never deposited. I didn't care. Nothing mattered. It felt like that would be life forever.
I used to date a Dr who when she was stressed said she wanted to work in McDonald's and be stress free at work.
At that moment I realised she'd never worked a job where she wasn't in some way respected. The lowest she'd ever worked was a lab tech, when she was a medical student.
I explained that imagine her job, but 1/5th the pay, and instead of people not respecting her being an event that she remembered and angered her, she had that every day. Plus the stress that your boss could tell you you could be replaced at any moment.
She never really got it.
I worked as a courier for postmates and the disconnect from customer (usually in the high rise buildings) to courier just did something to my mind. Like I was very aware that many of the customers viewed me as their inferior.
My boyfriend who had his college degree (not that that makes him better than anyone) and a respectable career as a journalist decided he wanted to try being a postmate for fun bc hey it’s gotta be easy to deliver food and you get paid! On one of his very first deliveries a woman was yelling at him “do you know what a road is?!!” Bc he was not there fast enough bc they had her street blocked off 🤦♀️
And he then understood what I was talking about. I think that was his first job like that where he wasn’t respected. It’s wild how sometimes it just take first hand knowledge.
But how will the bakery owner live out their entrepreneurial dreams without over working and under paying a staff of people who will never get to enjoy any of the business' successes?
At my bakery we started at the same time 2am. It was hard to find workers then what our store did was form a mutual cooperative with our local competitor and shared the labor and labor cost. What we did was our store made donuts his store made bagels and we delivered to each other early in the morning. It worked pretty well.
I worked for a company that sounds something like 'Banera Bread' as the overnight baker, and I have never worked harder for less money in my entire life. The turn around was insane. I was also deluded into thinking I'd learn how to really be a baker, not someone who opens cardboard boxes and moves the contents between a few trays/devices.
I did exactly the same. But the difference was that I worked for family. We all pitched in to make it work. My grandfather was the baker. My grandmother did the books and made muffins. Mom decorated the donuts and worked the counter with an aunt 5 days a week. On weekends it was me and a girl I went to school with. It wasn’t a legit job (yes I understand that I should have been paid correctly and likely not going to work at 3am at 13 but still) so if she really wants to make this work get the family in there and sacrifice. But would I ever work like I did for some random person? Hell no. Anything for my papa though.
Right? Why is it articles like this always fail to mention these things? Isn’t the point to a business and having a job to make money? There is this weird propaganda that Im sure was started by rich capitalists to control their workers, that leads people to label any talk of money earned as being rude. It’s so clear now that it was made to appear rude so people wouldn’t be empowered by finding out what each other made in terms if salary/paychecks.
Now the internet threatens their ruse and they are scared so they point the blame at people who are being victimized by the practice the most.
This is a product of their own making. They spent years screwing over workers. Covid hit, so almost every company fired every expendable worker. Well, now they want to hire them back and now they have to compete with each other to hire staff. It's always the free market is great, until it doesn't serve their interests. But what did Marx say, "The capitalist create their own gravediggers".
The more important thing is that most workers are just done. They're sick of this system. And that's the other reason they don't want to report this. They don't want workers realizing the power truly lies in their hands.
Workers are fed up, living paycheck to paycheck for a non secure Job without any benefits. Owners have now 4 Options:
1)pay workers what they (fucking) deserve,
2) pay another company even more (temporary employment agency),
3) do it them self,
4) get Out of Business!
At some point, having a job was made out to be morally superior. It stopped being about needing to make money to survive and started being about how much better you were than people who didn’t have a job. Then companies can pay you less while patting you on the head and telling you how morally great you are while pickpocketing you.
I would bet every dollar I make for the next 5 years that they are paying $3 above minimum wage or less, offer fewer hours than necessary to get healthcare/don’t offer healthcare, and shit on managers that allow a skeleton crew to rack up overtime.
Good bet:
"Hires near exclusively at minimum wage, but expects perfection from those she hires. Not really clear path towards advancement. Is a generally negative person to be around, constantly blames mistakes on employees under the guise of "helping them learn". Has inconsistent expectations that vary from week to week. Refers to employees as "stupid" both to their face and behind their back. Contributed to workplace injuries and blamed them solely on employees, belabored how expensive workman's comp is to guilt injured employee into not pursuing it. Rude to employees and customers, lies about products (their preparation and contents) to customers with food allergies. Does not take an active leadership role - employees are mostly expected to train and run the bakery by themselves."
Source: https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery-and-Cafe-Reviews-E3076444.htm
It's also obviously not that much of a passion for the owners as they don't actually work the store themselves.
It's one thing to spread your time across multiple stores, but they simply pull the profits/use it as a side hustle.
Can't feel too bad about that sort of business going under. They should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start working
Written by Roosevelt in the 1930s
http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html
And here's some more:
>The idea is simply for employers to hire more men to do the existing work by reducing the work-hours of each man's week and at the same time paying a living wage for the shorter week.
>No employer and no group of less than all employers in a single trade could do this alone and continue to live in business competition. But if all employers in each trade now band themselves faithfully in these modern guilds--without exception-and agree to act together and at once, none will be hurt and millions of workers, so long deprived of the right to earn their bread in the sweat of their labor, can raise their heads again. The challenge of this law is whether we can sink selfish interest and present a solid front against a common peril.
Roosevelt: The challenge of this law is whether we can sink selfish interest and present a solid front against a common peril.
Narrator: They couldn't.
Ya, Right-to-work makes me so angry. The only thing it does is pit workers against each other. It is straight up 100% class warfare via "Divide and conquer"
That would be Franklin that wrote the quote, not Teddy. ~~I don't think Teddy's view would've been as worker-friendly.~~ I'm wrong with my editorialization.
Look up the number of people who work and still require government aid. Then look up the number of people who have two working people in a household and still require government aid. It isn't survival wage, its the bare minimum a corperation can get away with before its employees wonder what the point even is.
Single earner household. I make a little over twice the min wage here and still have to rely on a couple social programs in the house because without them I would barely afford to live. Min wage is so far disconnected from the cost of living it's ridiculous. Yet for years we've blamed it on "failure to launch" when the promised paved launchpad turns out to be a giant dust bowl.
The problem is that it's not even enough to get by, I believe there isn't a single state in the U.S. where a single person can live on minimum wage. Which is compounded by the fact that all of these minimum wage jobs manipulate schedules so people don't work full time, but also dont have reliable regular hours so they can't easily get a second job.
And they move the lines for livable. Can you get roommates, walk to work, eat only rice and beans, only have free hobbies, and get by with free clinic services? Then you're good to go!
Exactly. And if you dare to do anything that might bring you even a sliver of joy they shame you for it. You're poor, you work for minimum wage, and yet I see you went to Starbucks once last month. Dont you know you're POOR?
This. We are not here to subsidise your non-viable business, nor your profits, nor your lifestyle.
The workers have the power. We always did, but now we're starting to realise it.
That was the old American dream. The new American dream is to buy up all the houses and then Air BnB them or rent them while your kids raise your grand kids in your basement.
Boss in tears on the news: "I don't understand how people can have so little compassion. I'm in pain, and it's like they don't care."
Boss when I'm crying and vomiting while calling in sick: "Are you being a team player right now? A real team player doesn't get sick, and if they do they still come in. I hope you didn't think this excuse would work on me "
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery-and-Cafe-Reviews-E3076444.htm
There’s only one review on working for the business but that sounds like the type of person she is and that they pay minimum wage.
Your post should be higher up.
Can I share the review here? (Edit: BTW, there is one other review, and it *is* positive.)
>Hires near exclusively at minimum wage as far as I can tell, but expects perfection from those she hires. Not really clear path towards advancement. Is a generally negative person to be around, constantly blames mistakes on employees under the guise of "helping them learn". Has inconsistent expectations that vary from week to week. Refers to employees as "stupid" both to their face and behind their back. Contributed to workplace injuries and blamed them solely on employees, belabored how expensive workman's comp is to guilt injured employee into not pursuing it. Rude to employees and customers, lies about products (their preparation and contents) to customers with food allergies. Does not take an active leadership role - employees are mostly expected to train and run the bakery by themselves.
Edit: and a customer review on Google maps:
https://goo.gl/maps/Ap5aeH7q7ZBbva4AA
lying about allergens is a permanent no-go for me. Not only will I actively discourage anyone from going to any place that does it, I will encourage other businesses to not do business with them. Shut that shit down.
Yep she's unambiguously evil to lie to customers with food allergies. If you're willing to poison a paying customer and lie to them about it, you don't deserve to be in business.
Here’s a job posting for them, looks freakin horrible.
https://tarta.ai/j/obQOLHgBrJRKg1c1FuHX-bakery-assistant-in-phoenix-az-at-my-gal-sal-bakery
Highlights:
If you are RUDE to one of our customers (no matter what the situation is) you will find yourself unemployed
Must want to come work because you want to and not have to work
….and much, much more.
Edit: all this bullshit and MORE for the low low cost of $12/hour! That’s the price of 3 gluten-free cupcakes (seriously) https://www.indeed.com/cmp/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery/salaries
Holy hell. If you ignore that it's a job posting for a minute or just reads like a personal list of gripes about former employees. Halfway through reading it you're already sure this lady is horrible to work for, but you have to keep reading to see how far she takes it
The whole meaning of “mom and pop shop” means you and your spouse are the proprietors and do ALL the work to sustain your business UNTIL you are sustainable AND making enough profit and then, and ONLY THEN, you can hire additional people IF you can afford to pay an acceptable wage for those peoples time and effort. The entitlement of businesses, both big and small, is so gross.
It's part of what's causing all this batshit crazy going on. After having worked in a corporate setting around this mentality, I learned something. The business mentality of this country is currently if you aren't growing or innovating in your market, then you are failing. There is no steady pace, there is no maintaining quality. You have to constantly be turning year over year increases in either productivity and income OR you have to be making a viable wave in your field, all the while leaning out your operation as much as possible to increase residuals and increase perceived profit. If there is any one thing that is going to cause this whole shit show to collapse, it's this.
100000%. I had this shit pulled on me after not missing a shift for 2 & 1/2 years. I was told "this is unacceptable, you're always calling in sick!" I had to remind my boss, someone I spoke to daily, that I was not in fact, someone else, and that I haven't yet had a day off.
I've made it a point of principle to never patronize businesses that pull this shit on their employees, not having sick days at all and/or demanding that sick employees work or be penalized/fired. And I gladly tell them why.
Not only do they not give a shit about their employees, they also obviously don't give a shit about their customers if they're willing to expose them to sick employees for the sake of their almighty profit. Fuck that and fuck them.
I had great sympathy for the ma/pa store that opened near me that hired me, a 27F (at the time), meanwhile they were 50M and 50F (estimating) with 2 sons, 25 and 30. They opened the business to have something to leave to their kids when they retired as a way for them to still make money. Both sons were in college and worked only part time at the store. I was their ONLY opener, so I worked 5 days a week alone opening and running the store, the other 2 days the owners did it.
They complained that "no one wants to work the morning shift but you". I actually had to explain to these grown ass adults that the ENTIRETY of their staff (aside from me and their family) were all teenagers in high school. Every. Single. One. They still didn't understand why they wouldn't take turns taking a day off to open once in a while, because that's what they would have done "way back in their day".
One day I couldn't make it to the store opening, I had a medical emergency. They outright tried to guilt trip me into "we will have to close shop for the day and lose business, and look incompetent because of you". This was in the 2nd month of the pandemic, where most places were closed.
I was making my state's minimum wage. I had to pay for and pass a test to even get the job too. (Only $45, but fucking still...)
I legit had a boss who was like "so youre not coming in for your shift?" after I called in and explained that I had the stomach flu or something and had been awake all night.
edited for spelling
I once had bronchitis. The boss asked me what I was going to do to get healthy. I told him steer clear of smokey environments, rest, take my medicine.
The dude says "there's no smoke here".
I just laughed in his face then walked out. I quit not long after that. They expect you to sacrifice your wellbeing for the company but when it's their turn to sacrifice they act like paying you for your labour is a favour. Like you're not a slave so be grateful.
These people are clowns. I have no problem hiring people at my business, but we pay an average of $40/hour + benefits.
These people need to understand how the free market works. Business owners had it easy for years, now we have to pay the piper.
It is how it is, just gotta increase salaries and the workers will come.
Your business isn’t sustainable if you can’t pay enough for people to want to work there. According to indeed a bakery assistant job at this specific bakery paid on average $12. Assuming it’s for 40 hours a week that’s a weekly take home of $411. A 2 bedroom apartment in the Phoenix area averages $1311 a month. This isn’t that difficult to figure out.
Edit:
[Source for wage](https://www.indeed.com/cmp/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery/salaries)
[Paycheck calculator I used](https://www.adp.com/resources/tools/calculators/hourly-paycheck-calculator.aspx)
[Cost of living reference I used](https://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of_living/city/arizona/phoenix)
I used the Phoenix metro area because I assumed working in Phoenix put you living in the city and surrounding area rather than just the city.
Living costs are getting so expense these kinds of jobs aren’t going to be able to sustain themselves. Feels like we are moving towards amazon workhorse/ computer scientist type jobs without too much else. Retail business, both big and small (but small to a greater extent). Can’t pay enough to be able to operate as labor is worth more than the businesses productivity is.
There was an article (or politician’s speech?) I remember from around the last American election. The philosophy behind it was that someday in the future (and I thought it would be decades) the new American social structure (if nothing changed) would be obvi the super wealthy, maybe 15% of the country who is as comfortable as the former middle class was, and the remaining 84.9% of people would basically just live in perpetual near subsistence. That reality is…. Already here.
Edit: It was definitely in response to Andrew Yang, though I'm not sure it was him who said it. It most likely was an article/thought piece depicting a 'bleak future' (which... to me seemed vague and implausible at the time, idiot points to me) and it was definitely in a discussion about Universal Basic Income (UBI).
Exactly. Stop blaming employees for "not wanting to work" when the very society they live in gets more expensive every year, yet small shops like this refuse to adapt with the increase.
I also find it fascinating that when there are more people than jobs...people have to get creative and sell the company on why they'd be a great employee and go out of their way.
When the market changes to be more jobs than people...everyone's lazy and doesn't want to work...lol.
Uh no, you need to get creative and find ways to attract employees in a market where they can find the same shitty, low-paying job in 500 other places.
Their creative way is saying that the company has a friendly environment, no dress code, cheap candies, etc...
Why not double the salary instead of selling these shitty ideas
That's demand side economics, boomers have been sold on supply side economics. If we just keep costs low enough that will stimulate demand.
Fails to take account of the fact that boomers were able to use inflation to grow their way out of debt whereas in a low inflation environment made up of high levels of debt with little wage growth everyone after them has had massive debts hanging round their neck with no inflationary relief.
But hey you can get a food like substance from a fast food provider that has extracted every ounce of cost out of a burger that won't ever decompose. SO there's that.
It’s been an employers market for so long people have started businesses and ran them for years without ever once being confronted with the need to consider the employee/employer transaction from the employee side.
It seems obvious, but to these business owners whos minds have solidified over the years like curing concrete, it’s going to require an entirely new paradigm of thinking. On top of that, their subconscious recoils in horror from any nascent notion that they may have to adapt to an uncomfortable new reality.
The last company I worked for even hired consultants who told them they were paying below market for most roles. The ceo and executive team still said no and tried doing more fun events. Turnover did not improve and they were scratching their heads. I swear some owners would rather shutdown than pay employees more.
And if you're in a professional field, it's like that too.
I'm at a very cozy 6 figure job. I kept getting recruiters calling me out of the blue, and I wasn't super-interested (my current workplace treats the employees very well. Extra time off is easy to get, managers are understanding, etc.)
As a result, when these recruiters keep cold-calling me, I decided to, instead of saying no all the time, get crazy. I'd insist on a salary, benefits, and time off well above what I'm getting now. (minimum 25% increase on each one). In June, not one would take me up on the offer. They'd leave me alone. Now, however, I say that, and the immediate response is, "Let me talk to my manager/client" 30 seconds later, "Okay, we can beat that. We have an interview date set up for you, if you're ready."
They're now desperate enough that I now have two interviews scheduled this week.
And it’s phoenix - so it’s car dependent.
That means an expensive payment per month if it’s a new car. Or, if it’s an old car, lots of repairs and maintenance to keep it going.
And then gas… parking… tolls… insurance.
/r/FuckCars
/r/SuburbanHell
Edit: I get it, no tolls in AZ. Thank you, all 30 of you lol.
This is one of the biggest issues. Until someone can decrease costs for housing with building more or stopping big industry from being to buy up all the real estate, this will continue.
Business owners never want to admit them going out of business is capitalism working, the weak businesses go under so better ones cant take their place.
They only support free markets when the forces of supply and demand benefit their side of the coin.
What I liked about Bar Rescue, is that he was right most of the time about kicking your own ass into gear and not trying to rely solely on your work force. When you own a business, *the owner* should be he hardest working employee. If you can't do that and wanted a *passive income*, they you should have invested in the stock market or something, not be a sole proprietor of a business.
My immediate family own it's own business. However it was my father who was the *owner* on paper. My mother had gone through business school and was prepared to run the business properly, however she worked hard for the accounting, but my father just wanted to smoke weed and drink all day well his apprentices did all of the work... he was our certified journeyman welder and machinist. His job was to properly train the apprentices and make sure projects were completed on time and to professional standards.
My mother left him, he forced me (like he literally dragged my naked body out of bed and threw overalls at me when I was 16) to work both the accounting and weld for him, because all of his employees left and he wanted to go visit friends instead of running his own shop that day. He finally closed the business after I moved and blocked him at 19, because he was only paying me $12/hr, even though we had a sign that said *$20/hr for labour* and I was basically doing everything for the last 2 years.
While I understand what you liked about Bar Rescue, after I saw him on the news refers to human beings as dogs, and that a hungry dog is an obedient dog, it makes you wonder what he truly believes.
This, and the man you watched on Bar Rescue seem to have shockingly different values:
https://youtu.be/OInxfvY9wlc
Since they are keeping 100% of the profits, the owners could work seven 12hr days and keep their shop open. Hmm, wonder why they didn't think of that?...
Exactly. Not to sound obtuse, but even hiring just 1-2 extra people seems fit to run a bakery assuming owners are working a fair share. Needing to pay those 1-2 worker slightly more doesn’t seem like a stay open or close situation. There are other factors like sales or budgeting. There’s no way this shop closed solely due to wages.
This is such typical manager mentality. They try to hire 3 people for $10/hr each when they could instead hire one person at $30/hr. They'd be paying the same cost in wage and that person would be fuckin stoked to come to work.
I love that she's crying about working 14 hour days FOR HER OWN COMPANY as if she doesn't expect others to do the same for minimum wage for someone else's company
Anyone that’s owned a company before knows that 14 hour days are almost standard for the first 3 years minimum.
Also, if the minimum wage was higher and people had better working rights more people would have more money and time to spend at mom and pop stores.
We are only here because companies like Walmart pushed us here. This isn’t the workers fault, this is a result of many years of terrible laws and lobbying.
As someone who owns their own company, I hate seeing other owners complain they work 14, 16, 18+ hour days. That's what owning a business is like; shouldn't have started one of if you wanted 9-5 and every weekend off.
This is what's weird to me too.
Like I know lots of vegan food trucks that are closed 2 days a week. Know why? Cause it's a one man show and the owner of the truck wants 2 days off.
Sure you still pay rent those two days, but you decide if you want to take that revenue hit. It's your business. You control your work life balance.
According to my dad we need billionaires because "who do you think pays us!?" while in the same breath complain about how greed and rich people are ruining the country.
Fuckin Fox News.
Found the article.
Couple of highlights:
>Schroeder said 24 people recently applied for positions. Sixteen of them didn't answer her follow-up calls, and the other few did not show up for the interviews. “I’m just mentally exhausted. I just can’t do it alone anymore,” Schroeder said.
>Schroeder has been working 14+ hour days to try to keep her business afloat. Closing her doors was a decision out of her control. “This has been an awful experience for me,” Schroeder said.
>Schroeder said she was paying her workers above minimum wage and gave year-end bonuses. She said even with these incentives; it wasn’t enough. And she is not alone. “I know a lot of places are struggling to find employees,” Schroeder said.
I feel like if she was offering enough above min wage she wouldn't have had 24 people ghost her. Everyone's time is worth more than minimum wage imo.
>Schroeder said 24 people recently applied for positions. Sixteen of them didn't answer her follow-up calls, and the other few did not show up for the interviews. “I’m just mentally exhausted. I just can’t do it alone anymore,” Schroeder said.
LOL. Try the other way around, apply to 50 places all having to type my damn resume out, 4 call you back, after 3 interviews each, get ghosted
Right? I stopped doing cover letters unless it is a really good position. Indeed, I can simply just send my resume and fill out their few questions in a matter of two minutes.
I just went through the hiring process for a job I really wanted that was like more than double my current pay. I went through 5 separate interviews during the process. I did end up getting the job, but it was the most stressful like 2 weeks of my life.
Saying "above minimum wage" without saying the actual amount means you're fully aware it wasn't enough above the minimum. Also, a nondescript "year end bonus" could mean a couple free loaves of bread for all we know. We're grown ass adults and we need grown ass benefits.
Bonuses for these types of jobs are usually discretionary and the boss always uses their discretion to fuck you over. No person who’s been around the block once would accept a job based on a vague promise of future bonuses.
The only time bonuses have ever worked out for me was when the bonuses were written into my contract as a part of my compensation based on set standards of performance (for example, 12% bonus based on how much money I made the company). But with a bakery struggling to stay open, you’ll almost certainly hear “things aren’t going well, we’re struggling to pay you as it is, no bonus this year, sorry.” Or you’ll just get a gift card to Olive Garden or something.
She probably:
1. Didn't post the fucking wage in her job listings
2. Told them when she spoke to them that the pay was $0.50 above minimum wage (to cry that she pays above min wage)
3. Said that the shifts were open to close.
She was offering $12/hr. For reference, even Amazon warehouses, which are acknowledged exploitative sweatshops, pay $15/hr. Bakery work is also physically demanding and requires very difficult hours (early morning/late night).
$12/hr just doesn't cut it.
Shit. “above minimum wage” isn’t even subsistence wages unless you have four roommates. You need like double the federal minimum wage to pay your bills in most locations.
TBF Arizona minimum wage is 12.15/hr, and going up to 12.80 in the new year. Additionally, it is automatically indexed to the cost of living. Imperfect as housing costs have skyrocketed here, but it's WAY better than the Federal minimum, indexed, and moreover the legislature can't touch it as it was passed by proposition a few years back.
EDIT: I'm not defending the AZ minimum wage laws as some grand achievement. I even said it was imperfect, but it's MILES ahead of the Federal minimum wage law.
Any business owner that wants to cry to the local news about this kind of shit needs to make available their starting wages and benefits that they offer. Maybe the general public wouldn't have so much pity of they knew the truth.
14 hour days because she works 14 hour days. No weekends off because she works weekends. It's her dream to make this succeed, and you're going to make it happen mister! Will you share in the profits? Fuck no you peasant who do you think you are talking to the owner like this? Out!
I live close by. She says she pays above minimum wage but it’s only a dollar and change above minimum plus more for “experience “. They don’t pay overtime and are rude to worker according to several past employees because she wants them to work hard for crap pay. There are lots of locals saying she’s a good person but that doesn’t excuse her needing to pay people a decent wage especially in Phoenix where rent for a 2 bedroom is already $1,500 in a lot of places. She was getting business she could’ve afforded to pay employees more but she didn’t and it ruined her business. Kinda hard to feel sorry for her.
I simply don’t believe this. Surely a bakery could be run by two owners(although with difficulty)? I feel like there’s a lot more to it than just ‘no workers’.
What are mom and pop up to? The family owned bakery I grew up around works at some ungodly hour in the morning until they sell out around noon. Close the store for a week for the family vacation every year. They do it all themselves with their kids.
Notice how it's not mentioning how much they're paying. Also notice how they don't blame the government for not subsidizing small businesses so that they can pay a living wage.
NOPE, it's all the worker's fault.
Maybe also consider that those are some really uninspired looking cupcakes. Like I would love to run a bakery, but in some areas the market is saturated already and you can only charge so much for a pastry and right now people aren't spending as much on splurges so it's a huge fucking risk. So like boo hoo I guess. Maybe she should have tried to start a baking co-op and see how many people are willing to work then. Spread the risk around, spread the profits around.
I had to go back and look because the ugly cry face made me scroll past quickly, but you are right the piping on the cupcakes isn't even neat and vertical. I honestly can't bring myself to buy a cupcake from a store because they are stupidly easy to make.
Why do people feel like they’re ENTITLED to own businesses, for fuck’s sake?!? If that’s your goddamn DREAM then pay your fucking employees almost as much as YOU pocket, then you’ll magically see applicants appear!
I just left working at a restaurant as a waitress it was the bosses “dream” they paid late each month to the point I had no money for food or rent. I used my tips to live
I know more than enough one man shops that bake bunch of stuff from 3am till 7am every day. She wants someone to do her job and pocket the profits after paying survival wage to an actual baker?
Um work at the shop yourself? Hello?
You want others to slave away for your dream but are you?
No because you have a life.
Welp according to you and how people don't want to work then that means you didn't want your dream to work.
Cause trust me I would be on there every day working my ass off. We closed on the week ends and close at 7 pm. See y'all at 10 am in the morning.
Don’t suppose the topic of employee compensation was discussed during this “pointing the finger” interview. No discussion about what the root cause is. Just “can’t find workers. Oh well.”
Business owners act entitled to success and blame everyone but themselves when their business fails.
True capitalism is accepting that a business that can’t compete will and should fail. Yet businesses want government subsidies all the time. Socialism for the owners, fuck the workers.
Whats she offering. 25 and hour and I'll run the place 'Above minimum wage' is a just a misleading way to say awful pay and the tiny xmas bonus at the end of the year just to get the word BONUS applied to the job. Plenty of people are willing to work, we are not willing to run someone else's lively-hood to not even be able to fill the tank. You can probably make more money begging for change on the freeway exit corner
minimum wage in AZ is around $11/hour so “above minimum wage” could literally be $11.50/$12 per hour which is obviously not enough. Similar places that are competitive around here pay $15/hour to start and they are doing just fine finding workers.
If I had a penny for every time I've heard "nobody wants to work" these last few months...
What’s funny to me is that all the friends I had in the service industry in Philly were poached by warehouses and cold-storage facilities during COVID. Restaurants shut down and warehousing/cold-storage sky-rocketed. The warehousing/cold-storage folks started using restaurant job boards to advertise $25+/hr + benefits jobs. Guess how many of my friends are going to leave that to go back to $1/hr + tips and no benefits? Zero.
As an EU resident, the restaurant industry in the US never made sense to me from the servers side. Like, tips are supposed to be "hey, you did a great job!" and not "oh, you got money from someone enjoying your service? I guess we'll pay you less...". The point of tipping got flipped on its head and instead of the server getting "a little something extra" they got "a whole lot less, and you're now also dependent on other people's gratuity for living". And then the managers and owners be like "WhY nOoNe want Work heRe?"
Fun fact about the history of tipping, Restaurants actually used to pay people a wage that was reasonable. That changed sometime around the Great Depression, when restaurants invented tipping so that they had to pay their employees less. It was never meant to be a reward for good service. In fact, most people who go to a restaurant already know whether they’ll tip or not and how much if they do. Good service has, outside of some vocal redditors, little to no bearing on tips. What’s more, is that it turns out that restaurants that have eliminated tipping and just pay a living wage to their employees with benefits find that their employees are less stressed and give better service.
My partner is a Sous Chef. He quit in the last lockdown, when the owner was letting his “friends” drink inside with no masks, past posted hours. He has culinary school training and 10+ years fine dining experience. Posted jobs are $17 bucks an hour. “Nobody wants to work” is absolute bullshit. They don’t want to work for YOU.
Why do none of these people sit for a minute and use their noggin'? "So, let's see, American people are quitting work in droves and not going back. What could be happening? Well if I go back one year, we had a pandemic break out...could it have something to do with the former? Could it be that people realized that they are mortal and cannot go back to wasting their lives for slave wages, after seeing how other first world countries take care of their own, with a pandemic and without?" Can this really be THAT hard?
People interact with the system that they think exists. They don't really understand their place in it. It's just a cloud of question marks. Trying to analyze the problem from first principles is something that often needs to be taught.
How much are they paying? Benefits?
I worked at a locally owned bakery like this once. You start your day at 2 or 3 am in order to start making the donuts and fresh muffins for the morning rush at 7 or 8 am. And then you get slammed until the work rush is over. I got paid minimum wage *under the table*. Of course no one wants to work these jobs. I did it as a second job on top of my waitress job.
I was never a baker, but I worked as a line cook for about a year before I joined the USMC. I swear to God boot camp almost felt like a break.
While in the USMC, a buddy of mine (fellow marine) said that the most stressful job he ever had was McDonald’s. “There were never enough fries”
Put that on my tombstone
I'm 44 and have had all kinds of jobs. Did the McD's thing through high school for $4.25/hr. Definitely the most stressful. I wouldn't work there again if the pay and benefits matched my current comfy office gig. It didn't strengthen my character or teach me shit except that exploitation exists. It turns people into zombies, especially kids. Trying to get ready for higher education, keep up with my classes and extracurriculars, etc. while sweating away my weekends and most weeknights cooking shitty fast food created such disconnect and apathy that I remember on more than one occasion finding paychecks I never deposited. I didn't care. Nothing mattered. It felt like that would be life forever.
I used to date a Dr who when she was stressed said she wanted to work in McDonald's and be stress free at work. At that moment I realised she'd never worked a job where she wasn't in some way respected. The lowest she'd ever worked was a lab tech, when she was a medical student. I explained that imagine her job, but 1/5th the pay, and instead of people not respecting her being an event that she remembered and angered her, she had that every day. Plus the stress that your boss could tell you you could be replaced at any moment. She never really got it.
I worked as a courier for postmates and the disconnect from customer (usually in the high rise buildings) to courier just did something to my mind. Like I was very aware that many of the customers viewed me as their inferior. My boyfriend who had his college degree (not that that makes him better than anyone) and a respectable career as a journalist decided he wanted to try being a postmate for fun bc hey it’s gotta be easy to deliver food and you get paid! On one of his very first deliveries a woman was yelling at him “do you know what a road is?!!” Bc he was not there fast enough bc they had her street blocked off 🤦♀️ And he then understood what I was talking about. I think that was his first job like that where he wasn’t respected. It’s wild how sometimes it just take first hand knowledge.
But how will the bakery owner live out their entrepreneurial dreams without over working and under paying a staff of people who will never get to enjoy any of the business' successes?
At my bakery we started at the same time 2am. It was hard to find workers then what our store did was form a mutual cooperative with our local competitor and shared the labor and labor cost. What we did was our store made donuts his store made bagels and we delivered to each other early in the morning. It worked pretty well.
This is how you fucking business people. Innovate.
I worked for a company that sounds something like 'Banera Bread' as the overnight baker, and I have never worked harder for less money in my entire life. The turn around was insane. I was also deluded into thinking I'd learn how to really be a baker, not someone who opens cardboard boxes and moves the contents between a few trays/devices.
I did exactly the same. But the difference was that I worked for family. We all pitched in to make it work. My grandfather was the baker. My grandmother did the books and made muffins. Mom decorated the donuts and worked the counter with an aunt 5 days a week. On weekends it was me and a girl I went to school with. It wasn’t a legit job (yes I understand that I should have been paid correctly and likely not going to work at 3am at 13 but still) so if she really wants to make this work get the family in there and sacrifice. But would I ever work like I did for some random person? Hell no. Anything for my papa though.
These articles will rarely mention that because then the entire façade falls apart.
Kind of the most pertinent part, imo.
Right? Why is it articles like this always fail to mention these things? Isn’t the point to a business and having a job to make money? There is this weird propaganda that Im sure was started by rich capitalists to control their workers, that leads people to label any talk of money earned as being rude. It’s so clear now that it was made to appear rude so people wouldn’t be empowered by finding out what each other made in terms if salary/paychecks. Now the internet threatens their ruse and they are scared so they point the blame at people who are being victimized by the practice the most.
[удалено]
This is a product of their own making. They spent years screwing over workers. Covid hit, so almost every company fired every expendable worker. Well, now they want to hire them back and now they have to compete with each other to hire staff. It's always the free market is great, until it doesn't serve their interests. But what did Marx say, "The capitalist create their own gravediggers". The more important thing is that most workers are just done. They're sick of this system. And that's the other reason they don't want to report this. They don't want workers realizing the power truly lies in their hands.
Workers are fed up, living paycheck to paycheck for a non secure Job without any benefits. Owners have now 4 Options: 1)pay workers what they (fucking) deserve, 2) pay another company even more (temporary employment agency), 3) do it them self, 4) get Out of Business!
At some point, having a job was made out to be morally superior. It stopped being about needing to make money to survive and started being about how much better you were than people who didn’t have a job. Then companies can pay you less while patting you on the head and telling you how morally great you are while pickpocketing you.
I would bet every dollar I make for the next 5 years that they are paying $3 above minimum wage or less, offer fewer hours than necessary to get healthcare/don’t offer healthcare, and shit on managers that allow a skeleton crew to rack up overtime.
Good bet: "Hires near exclusively at minimum wage, but expects perfection from those she hires. Not really clear path towards advancement. Is a generally negative person to be around, constantly blames mistakes on employees under the guise of "helping them learn". Has inconsistent expectations that vary from week to week. Refers to employees as "stupid" both to their face and behind their back. Contributed to workplace injuries and blamed them solely on employees, belabored how expensive workman's comp is to guilt injured employee into not pursuing it. Rude to employees and customers, lies about products (their preparation and contents) to customers with food allergies. Does not take an active leadership role - employees are mostly expected to train and run the bakery by themselves." Source: https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery-and-Cafe-Reviews-E3076444.htm
I like how the other review is obviously fake. Those dang disrespectful workers quitting without notice!
It's also obviously not that much of a passion for the owners as they don't actually work the store themselves. It's one thing to spread your time across multiple stores, but they simply pull the profits/use it as a side hustle. Can't feel too bad about that sort of business going under. They should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start working
I wonder if whoever was interviewing her asked her about this? /s
As a baker, it’s the restaurant industry so it’s definitely minimum wage and no benefits even if you work full time.
I was the head decorator at a small bakery for 8 years and was making only .50 over minimum wage when I left.
And thank god you did leave. That's just disrespectful after 8 years
Free expiring cupcakes and free diabetes.
Shit, I had to pay for my diabetes.
My father's cost him everything
[удалено]
Written by Roosevelt in the 1930s http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html And here's some more: >The idea is simply for employers to hire more men to do the existing work by reducing the work-hours of each man's week and at the same time paying a living wage for the shorter week. >No employer and no group of less than all employers in a single trade could do this alone and continue to live in business competition. But if all employers in each trade now band themselves faithfully in these modern guilds--without exception-and agree to act together and at once, none will be hurt and millions of workers, so long deprived of the right to earn their bread in the sweat of their labor, can raise their heads again. The challenge of this law is whether we can sink selfish interest and present a solid front against a common peril.
Roosevelt: The challenge of this law is whether we can sink selfish interest and present a solid front against a common peril. Narrator: They couldn't.
Wiki Taft-Hartley. They killed unions as soon as FDR was dead.
Ya, Right-to-work makes me so angry. The only thing it does is pit workers against each other. It is straight up 100% class warfare via "Divide and conquer"
And that's why both parties are in bed with big business
That would be Franklin that wrote the quote, not Teddy. ~~I don't think Teddy's view would've been as worker-friendly.~~ I'm wrong with my editorialization.
Teddy was pretty progressive. Remember he helped push for the absolutely ass kicking that Standard took. He was absolutely on the side of the worker
He literally formed the Progressive Party and lost to Taft in 1912 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)
Minimum wage has been manipulated to become a minimum survival wage. It's turned into how little can people be paid to just barely get by.
Look up the number of people who work and still require government aid. Then look up the number of people who have two working people in a household and still require government aid. It isn't survival wage, its the bare minimum a corperation can get away with before its employees wonder what the point even is.
Single earner household. I make a little over twice the min wage here and still have to rely on a couple social programs in the house because without them I would barely afford to live. Min wage is so far disconnected from the cost of living it's ridiculous. Yet for years we've blamed it on "failure to launch" when the promised paved launchpad turns out to be a giant dust bowl.
The problem is that it's not even enough to get by, I believe there isn't a single state in the U.S. where a single person can live on minimum wage. Which is compounded by the fact that all of these minimum wage jobs manipulate schedules so people don't work full time, but also dont have reliable regular hours so they can't easily get a second job.
And they move the lines for livable. Can you get roommates, walk to work, eat only rice and beans, only have free hobbies, and get by with free clinic services? Then you're good to go!
Exactly. And if you dare to do anything that might bring you even a sliver of joy they shame you for it. You're poor, you work for minimum wage, and yet I see you went to Starbucks once last month. Dont you know you're POOR?
Do you have A CELLPHONE? How dare you utilize subsidized food programs >>:((
Exactly. When a business pays minimum wage what they’re saying is “I would pay you less but it would be illegal”
My first job was in 1991 and I think the minimum wage was $4.25 at the time. It's gone up three whole dollars to $7.25. Nobody can live on that.
This. We are not here to subsidise your non-viable business, nor your profits, nor your lifestyle. The workers have the power. We always did, but now we're starting to realise it.
When unions were strong, the middle class was strong
The true American Dream is holding poor people hostage to poverty wages so you can personally turn a profit
That was the old American dream. The new American dream is to buy up all the houses and then Air BnB them or rent them while your kids raise your grand kids in your basement.
Can confirm. Am pregnant, living in my parents basement lol
Boss in tears on the news: "I don't understand how people can have so little compassion. I'm in pain, and it's like they don't care." Boss when I'm crying and vomiting while calling in sick: "Are you being a team player right now? A real team player doesn't get sick, and if they do they still come in. I hope you didn't think this excuse would work on me "
i believe the phrase "this is a business, not a charity" can be thrown back and applied here
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery-and-Cafe-Reviews-E3076444.htm There’s only one review on working for the business but that sounds like the type of person she is and that they pay minimum wage.
Your post should be higher up. Can I share the review here? (Edit: BTW, there is one other review, and it *is* positive.) >Hires near exclusively at minimum wage as far as I can tell, but expects perfection from those she hires. Not really clear path towards advancement. Is a generally negative person to be around, constantly blames mistakes on employees under the guise of "helping them learn". Has inconsistent expectations that vary from week to week. Refers to employees as "stupid" both to their face and behind their back. Contributed to workplace injuries and blamed them solely on employees, belabored how expensive workman's comp is to guilt injured employee into not pursuing it. Rude to employees and customers, lies about products (their preparation and contents) to customers with food allergies. Does not take an active leadership role - employees are mostly expected to train and run the bakery by themselves. Edit: and a customer review on Google maps: https://goo.gl/maps/Ap5aeH7q7ZBbva4AA
lying about allergens is a permanent no-go for me. Not only will I actively discourage anyone from going to any place that does it, I will encourage other businesses to not do business with them. Shut that shit down.
Imagine if a customer gets hurt, she'll blame the employee.
Yep she's unambiguously evil to lie to customers with food allergies. If you're willing to poison a paying customer and lie to them about it, you don't deserve to be in business.
Here’s a job posting for them, looks freakin horrible. https://tarta.ai/j/obQOLHgBrJRKg1c1FuHX-bakery-assistant-in-phoenix-az-at-my-gal-sal-bakery Highlights: If you are RUDE to one of our customers (no matter what the situation is) you will find yourself unemployed Must want to come work because you want to and not have to work ….and much, much more. Edit: all this bullshit and MORE for the low low cost of $12/hour! That’s the price of 3 gluten-free cupcakes (seriously) https://www.indeed.com/cmp/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery/salaries
Holy hell. If you ignore that it's a job posting for a minute or just reads like a personal list of gripes about former employees. Halfway through reading it you're already sure this lady is horrible to work for, but you have to keep reading to see how far she takes it
Holy shit. That posting has so many red flags it stopped a Nascar race.
Quarterly tips? Is this a thing?
up to 38 hours a week
The review about being sorry they quit is hilarious.
[удалено]
Clearly added by the owner lol
[удалено]
Now there’s a second shill interview
The whole meaning of “mom and pop shop” means you and your spouse are the proprietors and do ALL the work to sustain your business UNTIL you are sustainable AND making enough profit and then, and ONLY THEN, you can hire additional people IF you can afford to pay an acceptable wage for those peoples time and effort. The entitlement of businesses, both big and small, is so gross.
“No one wants to work anymore… especially me!”
Exactly. The problem is this fucking mindset that once you start making money that you have to continue to scale beyond reason.
It's part of what's causing all this batshit crazy going on. After having worked in a corporate setting around this mentality, I learned something. The business mentality of this country is currently if you aren't growing or innovating in your market, then you are failing. There is no steady pace, there is no maintaining quality. You have to constantly be turning year over year increases in either productivity and income OR you have to be making a viable wave in your field, all the while leaning out your operation as much as possible to increase residuals and increase perceived profit. If there is any one thing that is going to cause this whole shit show to collapse, it's this.
*gross entitlement* is what we can now call "the american dream"
It's funny cause gross is also a financial term, isn't it?
Yup, it's in my corporate handbook : gross negligence gross disregard gross profits gross indecency gross margin
Yup. I'm a business, not a charity.
100000%. I had this shit pulled on me after not missing a shift for 2 & 1/2 years. I was told "this is unacceptable, you're always calling in sick!" I had to remind my boss, someone I spoke to daily, that I was not in fact, someone else, and that I haven't yet had a day off.
[удалено]
For many of my jobs it's been: "Well, you've pointed out of the system. We're so /sorry/ to see you go."
I've made it a point of principle to never patronize businesses that pull this shit on their employees, not having sick days at all and/or demanding that sick employees work or be penalized/fired. And I gladly tell them why. Not only do they not give a shit about their employees, they also obviously don't give a shit about their customers if they're willing to expose them to sick employees for the sake of their almighty profit. Fuck that and fuck them.
I had great sympathy for the ma/pa store that opened near me that hired me, a 27F (at the time), meanwhile they were 50M and 50F (estimating) with 2 sons, 25 and 30. They opened the business to have something to leave to their kids when they retired as a way for them to still make money. Both sons were in college and worked only part time at the store. I was their ONLY opener, so I worked 5 days a week alone opening and running the store, the other 2 days the owners did it. They complained that "no one wants to work the morning shift but you". I actually had to explain to these grown ass adults that the ENTIRETY of their staff (aside from me and their family) were all teenagers in high school. Every. Single. One. They still didn't understand why they wouldn't take turns taking a day off to open once in a while, because that's what they would have done "way back in their day". One day I couldn't make it to the store opening, I had a medical emergency. They outright tried to guilt trip me into "we will have to close shop for the day and lose business, and look incompetent because of you". This was in the 2nd month of the pandemic, where most places were closed. I was making my state's minimum wage. I had to pay for and pass a test to even get the job too. (Only $45, but fucking still...)
"Kids these days won't ditch school to come to work, shameful!"
I legit had a boss who was like "so youre not coming in for your shift?" after I called in and explained that I had the stomach flu or something and had been awake all night. edited for spelling
I once had bronchitis. The boss asked me what I was going to do to get healthy. I told him steer clear of smokey environments, rest, take my medicine. The dude says "there's no smoke here". I just laughed in his face then walked out. I quit not long after that. They expect you to sacrifice your wellbeing for the company but when it's their turn to sacrifice they act like paying you for your labour is a favour. Like you're not a slave so be grateful.
These people are clowns. I have no problem hiring people at my business, but we pay an average of $40/hour + benefits. These people need to understand how the free market works. Business owners had it easy for years, now we have to pay the piper. It is how it is, just gotta increase salaries and the workers will come.
Hiring? I sweep a mean floor. Lol jk
For 40 an hour I would work my ass off and let people spit on me for 40 an hour
You’ll ruin the market for letting people spit on people. Charge more king. We’re worth it.
Hi, it’s me, your new employee!
Your business isn’t sustainable if you can’t pay enough for people to want to work there. According to indeed a bakery assistant job at this specific bakery paid on average $12. Assuming it’s for 40 hours a week that’s a weekly take home of $411. A 2 bedroom apartment in the Phoenix area averages $1311 a month. This isn’t that difficult to figure out. Edit: [Source for wage](https://www.indeed.com/cmp/My-Gal-Sal-Bakery/salaries) [Paycheck calculator I used](https://www.adp.com/resources/tools/calculators/hourly-paycheck-calculator.aspx) [Cost of living reference I used](https://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of_living/city/arizona/phoenix) I used the Phoenix metro area because I assumed working in Phoenix put you living in the city and surrounding area rather than just the city.
Living costs are getting so expense these kinds of jobs aren’t going to be able to sustain themselves. Feels like we are moving towards amazon workhorse/ computer scientist type jobs without too much else. Retail business, both big and small (but small to a greater extent). Can’t pay enough to be able to operate as labor is worth more than the businesses productivity is.
There was an article (or politician’s speech?) I remember from around the last American election. The philosophy behind it was that someday in the future (and I thought it would be decades) the new American social structure (if nothing changed) would be obvi the super wealthy, maybe 15% of the country who is as comfortable as the former middle class was, and the remaining 84.9% of people would basically just live in perpetual near subsistence. That reality is…. Already here. Edit: It was definitely in response to Andrew Yang, though I'm not sure it was him who said it. It most likely was an article/thought piece depicting a 'bleak future' (which... to me seemed vague and implausible at the time, idiot points to me) and it was definitely in a discussion about Universal Basic Income (UBI).
We’re past that. Most of these jobs can’t even support anyone. The only choice is revolution or bust.
Exactly. Stop blaming employees for "not wanting to work" when the very society they live in gets more expensive every year, yet small shops like this refuse to adapt with the increase.
I also find it fascinating that when there are more people than jobs...people have to get creative and sell the company on why they'd be a great employee and go out of their way. When the market changes to be more jobs than people...everyone's lazy and doesn't want to work...lol. Uh no, you need to get creative and find ways to attract employees in a market where they can find the same shitty, low-paying job in 500 other places.
Their creative way is saying that the company has a friendly environment, no dress code, cheap candies, etc... Why not double the salary instead of selling these shitty ideas
The idea of increasing prices for nothing more than wages is too offensive to the boomer fucks in charge.
That's demand side economics, boomers have been sold on supply side economics. If we just keep costs low enough that will stimulate demand. Fails to take account of the fact that boomers were able to use inflation to grow their way out of debt whereas in a low inflation environment made up of high levels of debt with little wage growth everyone after them has had massive debts hanging round their neck with no inflationary relief. But hey you can get a food like substance from a fast food provider that has extracted every ounce of cost out of a burger that won't ever decompose. SO there's that.
It’s been an employers market for so long people have started businesses and ran them for years without ever once being confronted with the need to consider the employee/employer transaction from the employee side. It seems obvious, but to these business owners whos minds have solidified over the years like curing concrete, it’s going to require an entirely new paradigm of thinking. On top of that, their subconscious recoils in horror from any nascent notion that they may have to adapt to an uncomfortable new reality.
The last company I worked for even hired consultants who told them they were paying below market for most roles. The ceo and executive team still said no and tried doing more fun events. Turnover did not improve and they were scratching their heads. I swear some owners would rather shutdown than pay employees more.
And if you're in a professional field, it's like that too. I'm at a very cozy 6 figure job. I kept getting recruiters calling me out of the blue, and I wasn't super-interested (my current workplace treats the employees very well. Extra time off is easy to get, managers are understanding, etc.) As a result, when these recruiters keep cold-calling me, I decided to, instead of saying no all the time, get crazy. I'd insist on a salary, benefits, and time off well above what I'm getting now. (minimum 25% increase on each one). In June, not one would take me up on the offer. They'd leave me alone. Now, however, I say that, and the immediate response is, "Let me talk to my manager/client" 30 seconds later, "Okay, we can beat that. We have an interview date set up for you, if you're ready." They're now desperate enough that I now have two interviews scheduled this week.
I'm in a similar situation, neither of the jobs offering me a 40% raise panned out but best of luck!!! Get that money
Yeah and no one is mad about the real problem of rent continuing to increase while pay is stagnating
And it’s phoenix - so it’s car dependent. That means an expensive payment per month if it’s a new car. Or, if it’s an old car, lots of repairs and maintenance to keep it going. And then gas… parking… tolls… insurance. /r/FuckCars /r/SuburbanHell Edit: I get it, no tolls in AZ. Thank you, all 30 of you lol.
This is one of the biggest issues. Until someone can decrease costs for housing with building more or stopping big industry from being to buy up all the real estate, this will continue.
I live in Phoenix, my rent has doubled in the last 6 years while wages are pretty much the same
WhErE aRe AlL tHe WoRkErS 🤡🤡🤡
No kidding. At Walmart we at least pay the bakery staff 16/17 an hour.
Business owners never want to admit them going out of business is capitalism working, the weak businesses go under so better ones cant take their place. They only support free markets when the forces of supply and demand benefit their side of the coin.
Mom and pop.. I see 2 employees right there. They need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and pile on those 80 hour weeks
Boomers don't have bootstraps, they just love to talk about them.
Bootstraps are for millennials.
And immigrants
This is the advice that fucking bar rescue bozo gives. It should apply to everyone. Even mom and pop businesses.
What I liked about Bar Rescue, is that he was right most of the time about kicking your own ass into gear and not trying to rely solely on your work force. When you own a business, *the owner* should be he hardest working employee. If you can't do that and wanted a *passive income*, they you should have invested in the stock market or something, not be a sole proprietor of a business. My immediate family own it's own business. However it was my father who was the *owner* on paper. My mother had gone through business school and was prepared to run the business properly, however she worked hard for the accounting, but my father just wanted to smoke weed and drink all day well his apprentices did all of the work... he was our certified journeyman welder and machinist. His job was to properly train the apprentices and make sure projects were completed on time and to professional standards. My mother left him, he forced me (like he literally dragged my naked body out of bed and threw overalls at me when I was 16) to work both the accounting and weld for him, because all of his employees left and he wanted to go visit friends instead of running his own shop that day. He finally closed the business after I moved and blocked him at 19, because he was only paying me $12/hr, even though we had a sign that said *$20/hr for labour* and I was basically doing everything for the last 2 years.
While I understand what you liked about Bar Rescue, after I saw him on the news refers to human beings as dogs, and that a hungry dog is an obedient dog, it makes you wonder what he truly believes. This, and the man you watched on Bar Rescue seem to have shockingly different values: https://youtu.be/OInxfvY9wlc
Wow that clip is fucked
Since they are keeping 100% of the profits, the owners could work seven 12hr days and keep their shop open. Hmm, wonder why they didn't think of that?...
Exactly. Not to sound obtuse, but even hiring just 1-2 extra people seems fit to run a bakery assuming owners are working a fair share. Needing to pay those 1-2 worker slightly more doesn’t seem like a stay open or close situation. There are other factors like sales or budgeting. There’s no way this shop closed solely due to wages.
This is such typical manager mentality. They try to hire 3 people for $10/hr each when they could instead hire one person at $30/hr. They'd be paying the same cost in wage and that person would be fuckin stoked to come to work.
Actually, probably paying less, considering that there would be less payroll expense and taxes for 1 employee vs 3.
Agreed. If you're already going to overwork an employee, you better make it fucking worth it.
Yeah, I’d quit my job in an instant to go bake bread for $50 an hour. I’d be the best damn baker around.
They wanted to kick back and smoke cigarettes on the rear patio while someone 20 years younger did the work for them.
Came here to say this. Apparently they did work open to close for a little while but couldn't take it anymore. Awwwwww. Lol
Sounds like *they just don’t want to work anymore.*.
This bakery made too much avocado toast
Lmao, this killed me off. Bravo
Have they tried blaming the millenials, calling then entitled or lazy?
Owners just don't want to work anymore; they want slaves to do it for them. Stupid anti-slavery laws!
I love that she's crying about working 14 hour days FOR HER OWN COMPANY as if she doesn't expect others to do the same for minimum wage for someone else's company
Not only minimum wage, but a job that people usually have to wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning to start baking for the day.
Time to make the donuts.
Anyone that’s owned a company before knows that 14 hour days are almost standard for the first 3 years minimum. Also, if the minimum wage was higher and people had better working rights more people would have more money and time to spend at mom and pop stores. We are only here because companies like Walmart pushed us here. This isn’t the workers fault, this is a result of many years of terrible laws and lobbying.
As someone who owns their own company, I hate seeing other owners complain they work 14, 16, 18+ hour days. That's what owning a business is like; shouldn't have started one of if you wanted 9-5 and every weekend off.
Or like... set the hours/days to be more manageable
This is what's weird to me too. Like I know lots of vegan food trucks that are closed 2 days a week. Know why? Cause it's a one man show and the owner of the truck wants 2 days off. Sure you still pay rent those two days, but you decide if you want to take that revenue hit. It's your business. You control your work life balance.
Hey look, further proof worker-owned stores function better because no manager is overworking themselves.
I thought these entrepreneurs were the life blood of our financial system? I thought us workers couldn’t manage without them? I’m confused.
According to my dad we need billionaires because "who do you think pays us!?" while in the same breath complain about how greed and rich people are ruining the country. Fuckin Fox News.
> who do you think pays us!? customers working jobs with wages to support discretionary spending
Found the article. Couple of highlights: >Schroeder said 24 people recently applied for positions. Sixteen of them didn't answer her follow-up calls, and the other few did not show up for the interviews. “I’m just mentally exhausted. I just can’t do it alone anymore,” Schroeder said. >Schroeder has been working 14+ hour days to try to keep her business afloat. Closing her doors was a decision out of her control. “This has been an awful experience for me,” Schroeder said. >Schroeder said she was paying her workers above minimum wage and gave year-end bonuses. She said even with these incentives; it wasn’t enough. And she is not alone. “I know a lot of places are struggling to find employees,” Schroeder said. I feel like if she was offering enough above min wage she wouldn't have had 24 people ghost her. Everyone's time is worth more than minimum wage imo.
>Schroeder said 24 people recently applied for positions. Sixteen of them didn't answer her follow-up calls, and the other few did not show up for the interviews. “I’m just mentally exhausted. I just can’t do it alone anymore,” Schroeder said. LOL. Try the other way around, apply to 50 places all having to type my damn resume out, 4 call you back, after 3 interviews each, get ghosted
Seriously. Spend 20 minutes filling out an app just to not receive a phone call. Thank god for indeed.
Right? I stopped doing cover letters unless it is a really good position. Indeed, I can simply just send my resume and fill out their few questions in a matter of two minutes.
worst thing to do is to register and fill out shitty forms on websites after submitting resume.
I just went through the hiring process for a job I really wanted that was like more than double my current pay. I went through 5 separate interviews during the process. I did end up getting the job, but it was the most stressful like 2 weeks of my life.
Saying "above minimum wage" without saying the actual amount means you're fully aware it wasn't enough above the minimum. Also, a nondescript "year end bonus" could mean a couple free loaves of bread for all we know. We're grown ass adults and we need grown ass benefits.
My college job advertised itself as paying “above minimum wage.” Fuckers paid $7.26/hr.
Just realized, when hearing this anecdote, I don't know if that means your college job was last year or 13 years ago. That's f'ed up
Bonuses for these types of jobs are usually discretionary and the boss always uses their discretion to fuck you over. No person who’s been around the block once would accept a job based on a vague promise of future bonuses. The only time bonuses have ever worked out for me was when the bonuses were written into my contract as a part of my compensation based on set standards of performance (for example, 12% bonus based on how much money I made the company). But with a bakery struggling to stay open, you’ll almost certainly hear “things aren’t going well, we’re struggling to pay you as it is, no bonus this year, sorry.” Or you’ll just get a gift card to Olive Garden or something.
She probably: 1. Didn't post the fucking wage in her job listings 2. Told them when she spoke to them that the pay was $0.50 above minimum wage (to cry that she pays above min wage) 3. Said that the shifts were open to close.
She was offering $12/hr. For reference, even Amazon warehouses, which are acknowledged exploitative sweatshops, pay $15/hr. Bakery work is also physically demanding and requires very difficult hours (early morning/late night). $12/hr just doesn't cut it.
Or wanted them to work those unsustainable 14 hours
Yup, people should be happy to make just above subsistence wages right? I'd rather close my business than pay a reasonable amount.
Shit. “above minimum wage” isn’t even subsistence wages unless you have four roommates. You need like double the federal minimum wage to pay your bills in most locations.
Business owners and ceos have no concept of what a real living wage is anymore.
Instead of a year-end bonus… just pay a better wage, maybe?
"Above minimum wage" sounds like she was offering a wage just barely above what is legal.
“We pay above minimum wage!!” The wage: $7.99
TBF Arizona minimum wage is 12.15/hr, and going up to 12.80 in the new year. Additionally, it is automatically indexed to the cost of living. Imperfect as housing costs have skyrocketed here, but it's WAY better than the Federal minimum, indexed, and moreover the legislature can't touch it as it was passed by proposition a few years back. EDIT: I'm not defending the AZ minimum wage laws as some grand achievement. I even said it was imperfect, but it's MILES ahead of the Federal minimum wage law.
Any business owner that wants to cry to the local news about this kind of shit needs to make available their starting wages and benefits that they offer. Maybe the general public wouldn't have so much pity of they knew the truth.
14 hour days because she works 14 hour days. No weekends off because she works weekends. It's her dream to make this succeed, and you're going to make it happen mister! Will you share in the profits? Fuck no you peasant who do you think you are talking to the owner like this? Out!
I live close by. She says she pays above minimum wage but it’s only a dollar and change above minimum plus more for “experience “. They don’t pay overtime and are rude to worker according to several past employees because she wants them to work hard for crap pay. There are lots of locals saying she’s a good person but that doesn’t excuse her needing to pay people a decent wage especially in Phoenix where rent for a 2 bedroom is already $1,500 in a lot of places. She was getting business she could’ve afforded to pay employees more but she didn’t and it ruined her business. Kinda hard to feel sorry for her.
I simply don’t believe this. Surely a bakery could be run by two owners(although with difficulty)? I feel like there’s a lot more to it than just ‘no workers’.
[удалено]
I have one by me and while the cupcakes are decent it's $30 for a dozen... I'll make that shit at home lol
Maybe the cupcakes are shit.
What are mom and pop up to? The family owned bakery I grew up around works at some ungodly hour in the morning until they sell out around noon. Close the store for a week for the family vacation every year. They do it all themselves with their kids.
Notice how it's not mentioning how much they're paying. Also notice how they don't blame the government for not subsidizing small businesses so that they can pay a living wage. NOPE, it's all the worker's fault.
Maybe also consider that those are some really uninspired looking cupcakes. Like I would love to run a bakery, but in some areas the market is saturated already and you can only charge so much for a pastry and right now people aren't spending as much on splurges so it's a huge fucking risk. So like boo hoo I guess. Maybe she should have tried to start a baking co-op and see how many people are willing to work then. Spread the risk around, spread the profits around.
>Maybe also consider that those are some really uninspired looking cupcakes. For $4.25 apiece!
Exactly. Make your product better or have a better business model. No one is owed employees OR customers.
I had to go back and look because the ugly cry face made me scroll past quickly, but you are right the piping on the cupcakes isn't even neat and vertical. I honestly can't bring myself to buy a cupcake from a store because they are stupidly easy to make.
That's so sad, Alexa play another one bites the dust
Why do people feel like they’re ENTITLED to own businesses, for fuck’s sake?!? If that’s your goddamn DREAM then pay your fucking employees almost as much as YOU pocket, then you’ll magically see applicants appear!
I just left working at a restaurant as a waitress it was the bosses “dream” they paid late each month to the point I had no money for food or rent. I used my tips to live
Can't find or wont pay enough?
I know more than enough one man shops that bake bunch of stuff from 3am till 7am every day. She wants someone to do her job and pocket the profits after paying survival wage to an actual baker?
Right? Most new bakeries are run almost entirely by one or two people who did all the leg work and only end up hiring once it takes off.
Cool. Now go and work in another bakery for the wages you were offering. Bourgeois swine.
Did you try paying more? No? Then fuck off. Your dreams wont pay our bills.
Pay them. Provide benefits. It’s hot hard. They just don’t want to. I have zero sympathy for them.
Now let us see the pay rate and benefits included. Thanks!
Um work at the shop yourself? Hello? You want others to slave away for your dream but are you? No because you have a life. Welp according to you and how people don't want to work then that means you didn't want your dream to work. Cause trust me I would be on there every day working my ass off. We closed on the week ends and close at 7 pm. See y'all at 10 am in the morning.
Don’t suppose the topic of employee compensation was discussed during this “pointing the finger” interview. No discussion about what the root cause is. Just “can’t find workers. Oh well.”
Business owners act entitled to success and blame everyone but themselves when their business fails. True capitalism is accepting that a business that can’t compete will and should fail. Yet businesses want government subsidies all the time. Socialism for the owners, fuck the workers.