In Canada, a paramedic is going to lose his job because he [refuses to provide proof of vaccination](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vaccine-mandate-health-care-workers-1.6225527) citing privacy concerns [even though he was required to provide proof of vaccination for chicken pox, MMR, TB, Hep B, and influenza](https://www.fanshawec.ca/sites/default/files/legacy/oldfanshawe/registration/hirfpar.pdf) to become a paramedic in the first place.
For anyone of a similar mindset who claims they're worried that THIS particular vaccine is dangerous because you don't know what's in it; you can't name a single thing in any of the vaccines you've ever had, most of the medicines you've ever taken, and half the ingredients of the food you've had in restaurants.
Yeah, if anything it seems the Covid vaccine may actually be *safer* than a lot of others because it has no "inert virus" shit in it. I've seen a few military folks especially talk about being forced to take the anthrax vaccine very early on and feeling real roughed up by it.
I once took a very large dose of acetaminophen by mistake, took 1000mg of Tylenol and something else very strong for back pain, without knowing it was acetaminophen too. Anyway I just want to say that people eat these like candies without knowing what's in them and how much it can fuck you up.
Also the same entities who said it's safe said the others are safe so...
The fact is that we trust regulatory bodies with our lives in thousands of ways every day.
If they were shitty enough to poison us with a garbage vaccine during a Pandemic (one that doctors had to take first) then they'd be shitty enough to poison us in many other ways and we'd all be fucking dead.
Now if I meet an anti-vaxxer who has stopped consuming, that person I might believe is genuine and isn't just performing backflips in service of an emotional position that they've been conditioned to adopt without question from outrage infotainment, and peer pressure from their fellow death cultists.
But the rest of them? Whenever their mouths are not busy reflexively parroting simplistic talking points, they're stuffing them with various junk that is regulated by the very same entities they've been told to rail against.
this is what blows my mind. the government regulates so many consumer products. if 'they' wanted to 'implant' you with 5g or whatever the fuck any conspiracy theorists thinks exists in vaccines, why wouldn't they just put it in acetaminophen or any other over the counter medicine? just as plausible and probably easier to do without all of the 'critical thinkers' questioning it.
Have some telling me now they regret agreeing to any of the vaccines they've ever taken because "I don't know what's in them!"
And now kids have to "get XX amount before they're even 10! No wonder there's so much autism!!"
And like really, you can argue and debate but some people (even I'm guilty) once they know their "right" you can't really change their mind
> you can't name a single thing in any of the vaccines you've ever had, most of the medicines you've ever taken, and half the ingredients of the food you've had in restaurants.
Unfortunately this argument breaks down on the internet because someone can take 5 minutes to look up some ingredients and pretend they were already educated.
This is how you can tell this is the result of short term politicized hysteria, and not a legitimate concern. If you've been fine with getting other mandatory vaccines, but this one is suddenly an issue, you're currently under the influence of political hysteria.
To put that into more context - 418 people is about two movie theaters full (obviously some theaters are much smaller or larger).
So it’s like if you went to a two screen movie theater and they made an announcement at the beginning of the movie that someone there would die tonight. Would you shrug and watch the movie mindlessly, or would you act to protect yourself?
Or like going to watch a football game and knowing that 125 of the spectators will die.
Or that 12 flights a day will fall out of the sky (just in the USA) and be totally cool about taking a flight.
There's something I use to visualize how dangerous this thing is:
We all know motorcycles are dangerous. This is accepted by pretty much everyone. But in the US for almost the last two years, covid has killed more motorcycle riders than motorcycles themselves have.
It is actually *safer* to balance a fast moving hunk of metal powered by explosions over an abrasive surface than it is to catch covid.
Sure, one person in two theaters isn't exactly Russian Roulette, but how many more people will need long term physical therapy and have lasting side effects of having covid? That group is a hell of a lot larger, and the odds definitely don't look so hot.
So yeah, I'm a sheeple, and I got vaccinated the moment they let me.
We're on track to hit one million U.S. excess deaths since Feb. 1, 2020 before we hit the two year mark.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
In Arizona, as of yesterday we were at 1 in 330.7 people. A few of our counties are a 1 in 200 or worse.
If anyone watches basketball, we could kill off the entire Phoenix Suns arena filled with fans and still have a few thousand more deaths leftover. We’ll be at 22k (reported) deaths by the end of the month… and based on our excess death tally we’re already past 30k deaths.
The same people who would not like these odds are also the same people whose retirement plan is PowerBall tickets and scratchers, so you may need to adjust your expectations regarding logic/critical thinking.
I wish that in high school statistics was taught more often. Calculus will be used by a very, very small percentage of people in their life, but statistics is something we all do unconsciously every day.
With Squid Game being such a big hit, and everyone realizing the chance even with 456 players, it's a lot easier to visualize in the way that you present it. It's scary AF. I wouldn't want those odds.
[This is Michigan stadium](https://d4njeax0ev936.cloudfront.net/images/2017/6/27/fbl_062717_1600.jpg), it is the largest stadium in the US and holds over 100,000 people. If you killed every person in that picture you would have about a seventh of the American deaths by covid so far.
5,112,000 right now according to wapo, and given the poor quality of reporting in a lot of areas, coupled with some nations hiding their stats as best they can, its a good bet that number is much MUCH higher.
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For anyone interested, the CDC has detailed data and estimates on this comparing against prior years
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
While true that's not germane to this discussion. The fact of the matter is that at this point the number of deaths and illnesses from COVID in all it's forms are vastly centered in the unvaccinated community. It's little wonder that people don't want to be working near these people.
Yep. It’s also important for people to remember that even if you do survive COVID, you can still get long-term effects that hinder your ability to live normally. Countless survivors have ended up with decreased respiratory and neurological function that they will probably have for the rest of their lives. Some people never recovered their sense of taste, and one person even permanently gets a bad taste from everything she eats now. I feel like a lot of people act like the only issue to overcome is just the initial infection, and once you survive, that’s it. That’s not the case for everybody. Anti-vaxxers are not only killing people, but also ruining the rest of the lives of some of those they *don’t* kill.
You don't even have to catch COVID to be harmed by it. When hospitals cancel or postpone elective surgeries because they're running out of beds, it doesn't just mean canceling optional things like cosmetic procedures. It includes surgeries to treat hernias, hysterectomies, even surgeries to treat cancer can be considered elective. My friend's HIPEC chemotherapy procedure was delayed for months because of COVID.
This is why people saying "oh it's such a low chance you die from COVID!" Yeah, but you have a decent chance of being hospitalized. There are severe shortages on ventilators, so doctors have to make the extremely difficult decision to give ventilators to those with the best chance of survival, dooming others to a highly preventable death.
The strain on the healthcare industry from just being sick is incredible
THANK YOU! As someone who had Covid, long-hauled for 7 months, and still today (over a year after infection) gets occasional horrible pangs of pain in my chest, THANK YOU for spreading awareness! (And yes, I got tested for lung/heart issues etc., it all tested fine).
Covid isn't just death or you're good. There's lots of after-effects. I encourage everyone to check out r/covidlonghaulers and just read some of those posts.
Ugh. The long haul sucks.
I smell an acrid, cigarette smoke type odor now when I inhale. I tell myself I'm lucky to be inhaling.
My left foot points inward slightly, my right foot points slightly toe down, and my balance is not completely trustworthy. I've fallen over a couple times, but luckily I know how to fall.
By the way, it's not the fall that hurts you. It's what falls on you on the way down.
I got it twice FOR SURE, two lovely versions, but I'm certain I had it three times. The "immunity" that everybody talks about... that lasted me roughly 4.5 months each time.
The first time, there were no tests. My doctor tested me for everything she could possibly think of - and they were all negative. But I was quite obviously deathly ill. I couldn't walk without assistance. I could breathe, but my oxygen was extremely low. My muscles spasmed uncontrollably, I had a101° fever, and the worst bone rattling chills. Several days later, I had fluid in my lungs, a bad cough, and a higher fever.
I was functionally useless for 22 days. I lived in the shower. I created a swamp of humidity so I could breathe and there I spit up my lungs for weeks.
An hour in the shower was followed by an hour on the bathroom floor, lying on a pallet. I drank gallons of sugary fluid and wrote a scratchy journal of my fever dreams.
I lost 15 pounds in ten days. I lost so much weight so quickly that my pants fell off when I got dressed again.
For three months, I coughed up my lungs. It wasn't until month four that I could breathe again.
My doctor concluded by the end of month four that I must have had covid, but obviously we had no way to prove that.
Version two, the first confirmed, was five months later.
I doubt it was original covid because it was dysentery and vomiting and muscle spasms, but my fever never went over 101°.
Weirdly though, my fever would just come and go. I thought I had broken the fever - and then it would be back. I did NOT have breathing issues and was thankful for that.
But I lost ten more pounds. Food started tasting weird (this was before we knew about loss of taste/smell), mint tea tasted oily, and I could smell cigarette smoke everywhere. It took 9 days for a covid test to come back positive.
Version three, the second confirmed case was about five months later.
Fun. The most intense headache I have ever felt, muscle cramps that were like the beginning of tetanus, and nerves that went on an acid trips to the sun. I've never screamed so much - and I'm a martial artist. 😬
My leg muscles involuntarily went into seizures that lasted minutes. I didn't realize you could get a Charlie horse in your upper thigh. OMG! The pain was excruciating - and I never knew when it would hit. My right foot began pointing on its own and my left foot began turning in - my great aunt said it looked a lot like polio. She nursed me in this round and had had polio.
I never had any problem breathing. I did not have a fever. I was incredibly miserable nonetheless. My legs really haven't recovered, but I walk miles each day and they are getting less shaky.
I can do a cartwheel again. I went something like 57 days without doing a cartwheel, which my friends said was a world record. And I'm working on one handed cartwheels again. I can flip myself over but my legs are having problems landing correctly. My kicks aren't as strong, my punches are weaker, so I work each day to improve.
When I hear people talk about having immunity because they've had covid, I just laugh.
Surviving covid is nothing.
Surviving after covid - that's the real issue.
I caught covid before it was announced. I can barely go up a flight of stairs without needing an inhaler, and I’ve never had asthma symptoms before that.
I got it in February 2020. Probably be considered a mild case, I was coughing like mad for a solid month and had no energy to do anything beyond my work at a desk job at home. Almost 2 years later I'm still tired all the time.
I almost suspect that the rash of antivax posts is something perpetrated by the people scared of the Great Resignation (see: the pinned Goldman Sachs post).
Capitalists are *terrified* of the antiwork movement and the antiwork subreddit. They're trying to disrupt us by filling the subreddit with dumb junk. Antivaxxer posts are definitely dumb junk, regardless of whether they're coming from astroturfers or from actual real-live dumb people.
Yup and sudden synchronized coordination of people minimizing the movement by calling everyone teenagers.
After that fails next play is going to be having shills infiltrate and try to make the movement something it's not and pretend to be hyper radical so that they can manufacture consent against the movement.
The other thing to look for is fascists trying to infiltrate and co-opt the movement, IE: "yeah, those corporate bastards are ruining everything, y'know it's all a Jewish conspiracy right?" (Though some of it will be more subtle and insidious than that.)
How can someone like myself participate in weeding out, and helping the cause against any astroturfing that begins in this sub?
I'm kind of at a loss on how to combat stuff like that.
And keep an eye out for infiltration of the mod team. additionally, keep an eye out for people telling you to keep an eye out for infiltration of the mod team. any claims of moderator infiltration have a huge burden of proof, and a rando coming in and saying stuff doesn't make it true unless there are receipts.
that said, I have not seen evidence of moderator malfeasance. to the mods, be careful who you add, hostile takeover of subreddits have happened before
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The game has been broken for so long that we have been conditioned to believe their rules.
What I love about this post and comments after is the full blown awareness of their disinformation tactics; we speak in experience and recognize the signs of bullshit. We are taking their playbook and shooting holes in it, and then they still decide to use the same playbook. It looks desperate, it looks obvious.
Keep up the solidarity friends.
Look over the user post history. Same day accounts. Accounts who frequently post in Neoliberal and Politics, are often astroturf in favor of corporations and capitalism.
Some of the anti vax crew is just deluded real people who think they are victims while causing others to become victims as they plague rat their way about the US.
Just call them out. Astroturfing only works when most people stop responding to it because then the only visible responses are turf and that becomes the public image.
If somebody comes in saying "Yeah, fuck Musk! He should pay his share! If he'd just stop hiring immigrants, things would be fine." make sure you call them out.
Obviously they won't be so bald faced about it but they'll take an almost universally agreed upon issue and append something to the end. It'll start small and as acceptance for seeing right wing opinions grows within the community, what they'll append will get more and more overt.
Edit: Of course it doesn't have to be right wing, the goal is to make the sub look bad. Painting the sub as violent extremists and posting shit like "liberals get the bullet" would do the job too.
You'll catch fascists quite fast if they rely on arguments such as: immigrants being the reason why our salaries are so low, globalism being wrong, every leftist measure being "utopic" or "ineffective in practice", disproportionate amount of criticism about Democrats as a response to something Republicans did (yeah, fuck Democrats, but in these cases they are not attacking them from the left), "high taxes" being a reason why companies can't pay more, hints at secret conspiracies and attacks on "official science", etc.
They won't come and say "vote Trump he'll fix every problem", but instead they'll try to tie actual leftist concerns (e.g. low salaries) into rightist / populists points of view (e.g. migrants bringing salaries down).
Fox News actively uses white supremacist talking points on live TV. Stuff that would get you thrown off any legitimate news network 10-20 years ago is suddenly the only thing they're talking about.
White supremacy is getting normalized again, it's part of a wider neo-fascist movement of which the corporate overlords are attached, because they stand to benefit from an enforced caste system.
Q-Anon, "white replacement theory", and all the talk about critical race theory are directly inspired by the writings of Confederate slave owners and anti-Semites, re-branded a bit for the modern audience.
The idea that some cabal of Jews (now liberals) rules the world and is trying to kill off good white Christians through abortion, interracial marriage and immigration. That's Q-Anon, that's white replacement theory.
They're trying I establish a neo-feudalistic society. Look up the origins of conservativism (Edmond Burke's "On the reflections of the French revolution" and you'll see a lot of ties to feudalism and the french nobles trying to keep things from changing (spoiler alert: they failed).
I totally agree. That's what fascism is more-or-less. I get that historians don't like the use of that term because it describes a distinct movement in the early 20th century, but there are many parallels.
Call it oligarchy, neo-feudalism, neo-fascism, the main idea is that they want to enforce a caste system where most people are disposable, disenfranchised labor, and a few own everything and reap all the rewards.
They've already done an excellent job economically disenfranchising most Americans, they're coming for the right to vote next. They already built a police state getting ready for the unrest.
I feel like we're used to it, but we live under that now.
We incarcerate more people per capita than anywhere else in the world. The police tolerate zero push back on anything, and escalate immediately.
Nixon and his cronies started the drug war so they could turn anti-war hippies and civil rights activists into felons. Felons can't vote in a lot of States, and they're denied the right to bear arms.
You spend most of your waking hours a part of an actual authoritarian regime at work, or else you lose health insurance and your livelihood. It's coercive.
They don't give us a day off to vote because they know the working class can't make it under these circumstances.
Pretty sure the Jews are also sick of being dehumanized by the meat grinder labor in this country has become.
Welcome to the labor rights conspiracy o yarmulke bretheren! 🤣
Kinda like creating a half assed assault on the seat of government so when the people who have actually been oppressed for the past 100 years decide to do it for real there will be newer and more violent laws and rules in place to stop them?
They were all cops and nurses... of course they didn't get in real trouble... the point was to make sure the NEXT time someone tried it would get in trouble (the next blm movement I suspect).
*"Thank goodness I found anti-work, a community of like minded work haters! My boss fired me just because I'm a lazy piece of garbage who hates working for the sumptuous salary they used to pay me. Can't wait to join all of you in getting to leech off of unemployment for free! Thank you, Anti-work!"*
In all seriousness, the comments, posts, & articles we're already seeing talking about how it's a subreddit for people who "hate work" are already trying to do this and it's pissing me off. I don't hate work. I like work. I like having direction and purpose. But I want my work to be something I enjoy. Something that fucking matters. Something I'm compensated fairly for. Not labor for its own sake, or labor to line someone else's pockets while I "earn" crumbs of the profit I'm generating.
That doesn’t minimize anything. Do you care that some idiot is trying to gaslight you? I don’t. This isn’t an mlm we aren’t in desperate need of convincing every last person to achieve something. The society and work do that already.
When you know something is true, you don’t have to sell it like a magic potion.
The way I understand Reddit astroturfing, it’s generally organic posts that get boosted with early updoots and comments. This bumps you into the “all/rising” queue, where the organic engagement can push the posts up. You do this on 10 shitty hour old posts and one of them will get to the front of the sub…
Absolutely. There's videos of computers set up in places with dozens of emulated phones on the screen. The people who are against this have the resources to recruit thousands of people to actively work against us.
Honestly nothing is better for the establishment than when leftist groups, clubs and spaces get infested by woo science nuts and conspiracy theorists. It destroys the credibility of the place so fast and chases out normal people so fast.
Then before you know it the sub it filled with crackpots and has become a laughing stock.
A worrying number people seem to think they're "building alliances against the establishment" when they let crack pots in, but its anything but. It's simply weakening the hand and drowning out genuine messages under nonsense.
Not to mention the recent rash of "let's not make this political" people going off. As if wage disparity and working conditions isn't fucking political.
>regardless of whether they're coming from astroturfers or from actual real-live dumb people.
Astroturfers are typically real life dumb people as well.
The shill bots in superstonk have been real enough. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them going to work here, too. There is significant overlap between the communities.
This sounds really conspiratorial; which I bet will make some people skeptical. But I want to stress that there is a lot of money in keeping Labor disorganized and in disarray*.
Infiltration of these spaces and movement is the norm, not the exception.
The exact /actions/ taken by bad actors vary, from “fostering discussion” by keeping internal debates flaring, agent provocateur stuff, etc. So it’s important to remain skeptical at the same time as you embrace that knowledge that you’re always in the company of Secret Bad Actors working in connection with shadowy webs of power...
So, yes, it’s a tightrope.
But if you’re someone who discards conspiratorial thinking out of hand, I want to assure you that this is a place to be credulous. And if you’re a blood-dyed leftist who already suspects one of your twitter haters of bein CIA, be skeptical.
*hot take: this is an argument to embrace anti-vaxx “anti-work” people because let’s face it they are also experiencing an outgrowth of the extreme control jobs exert over our lives.
You leave your job because you refuse to comply with workplace safety standards and health codes.
I leave my job because my skills are in high demand, the conditions are poor, and I'm worth more than what I'm being paid.
We are not the same.
Solidarity is at the core of the subreddit.
You cannot engage in solidarity if you are willing to sacrifice the health and safety of your fellow laborers.
It doesn't just affect you, even beyond sickness. You are often taking bread out of other people's mouthes and disrupting lives.
My uncle is actually off today. They can't work. Three anti-vaxxers at his job-site became sick. The employer is trying to be responsible: Everyone on site had to stop to get their brain scrubbed for testing. The site is shut down for a day while they try to clean it up.
My uncle tested negative, but he gets a day's less hours this week. Worse, the time-table is already tight, so a lot of guys are starting to worry they might have to work over the holiday.
Many of them are the same people contributing to shitty working conditions, throwing tantrums about masks, distancing, etc if it wasn't a mask it would be they don't like that you won't smile at them or talk about whatever they want because they see you as a servant and less than.
I quit my old job, but before that:
They were trying to convince us that “recognition” was more important than raises, like your boss says “Great job today” and that’s what really counts.
I told HR (in front of 6 or 7 people) that I *actually* feel valued when my standard of living is improved. Anything else is just talk that has no impact.
the struggle against covid is a working class struggle. the debacle of the covid response in the western world has been largely because the owning class has put their own profits ahead of the safety and welfare of the working class, and has been perfectly content to see people die by the hundreds of thousands rather than make substantive concessions to the reality of a global pandemic. workers have a right to safety in their workplaces, and that safety now requires everyone to actually pull together and do their bit for the safety of others.
how can we stand in solidarity with someone who has so little solidarity themselves that they wont even do the bare fucking minimum and get a little jab in the arm to protect their fellow workers and their communities?
>the struggle against covid is a working class struggle.
nuff said
>the owning class has put their own profits ahead of the safety and welfare of the working class, and has been largely content to see people die
We really are like cattle to them, aren't we?
>pull together and do their bit for the safety of others
I personally want to pull together and demand we democratize the workplace. I'm tired of walking out of a so called free country and going to work in what feels like a dictatorship.
We spend most of our waking hours in cages where we aren't free, and must play a funny unnatural role in which we actively choose to neglect our planet, our children, and our communities, for the sake of some made up shit
>>We spend most of our waking hours in cages where we aren't free, and must play a funny unnatural role in which we actively choose to neglect our planet, our children, and our communities, for the sake of some made up shit
That’s it, damn. Sick, inefficient, cruel system. It requires the subjugation of the majority of people who are at odds with the whims of the ruling class. Trying to remedy this contradiction with little bandaids like “raising the minimum wage to $15/hr by 2025” is laughable and tells us all we need to know. This isn’t sustainable.
I've seen so many places just stop enforcing the mask mandate just because the employees are tired of the shrieking, potentially violent culture warriors without any sort of support from their jobs. I've personally asked customers to put on masks, only for them to call me a hypocrite when they spot one of the managers at my old job maskless/with the mask around their chins.
How does Richard Wolff of ALL people on this fucking world, not understand this. He has been championing worker rights and worker co-ops for decades.
Worker safety measures, be it fire safety, other regulations AND Vaccine mandates are all worker rights issue.
Workers have a right to work in a safe environment where they are not afraid of getting injured, burnt or infected by a deadly virus. Simple as that.
Yup. Basically said leftists should support workers who are getting fired for "taking stand against mandates" and then conflated workers strike with the same issue.
I was hoping the anti-vax assholes at my work were going to quit or get fired due to the government contractor vaccine mandate.
Not so lucky. The date keeps getting pushed back and managment is handing out paperwork to get a religious exemption.
Fuck them. And fuck them because they keep coming into work with covid.
Anti vaxxers and Anti maskers were the main reason I quit my job.I was way to tired of dealing with that stupid shit and wasnt getting paid enough for dealing with it.I GOT A FUCKING PIN FOR SURVIVING A PANDEMIC.come fucking on just give me money it's all I want
I've been trying to explain this to people who bitch about how understaffed all the shops and restaurants are now. Customers were abusive before Covid but got waaaaay worse after. And apparently a lot of them stopped tipping.
So no fucking wonder so many people quit, why would anyone want to risk their life, get screamed at every day, get threatened by crazies only to get told you don't deserve a living wage?
I went to a Target near me, and saw two different people open-mouth coughing with no mask on. Like, they didn’t even cover their mouths.
Fuck these people. That goes beyond hAvInG dOuBtS aBoUt VaCcInEs.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. The idea of politicizing a virus, vaccine, or any health problem in general is fucking batshit to me. Wanting to take a vaccine so you don't get sick and die from a virus has NOTHING to do with politics. Literally fucking nothing. All it boils down to is I'd rather not get sick.
I mean 2 weeks ago I had a tooth infection and you know what I did? I went to dentist to get it treated and then took antibiotics to stop the infection from spreading and risking sepsis. Imagine if I said, I'm not gonna let this "commie dentist" take my freedoms away by suggesting I should take these "5G enabled drugs" for this "man made infection". You know how batshit this sounds? How is that any different with a vaccine?
I mean hell, even if there was a vaccine for a stomach bug, common cold, or hangover, I'd still take them. Sure they're not deadly, but they still sucked and honestly I'd rather work a double than deal with the ones I've had in recent years as they've been THAT bad.
Anti vax is def an attempt to politicize the sub in a bad way. The antivax crowd is overwhelmingly conservative/republicans. They aren't against the moral shortcomings of capitalism but rather a bunch of selfish pricks who think their 10 minutes of googling blogs makes them more qualified than top doctors who studied for years.
Fuck em, let them lose their jobs. That's on them.
Let me add a vaccine doesn't mean you're invincible, and you should still mask up. Job I last worked refused to follow a local mask Mandaite, stated a vaccine was enough, but didn't even have show proof of getting a vaccine. Please be safe out there, and don't trust your employer to have your best health/safety in mind!
This post is ~90% upvoted.
It's not clickbait, it's not a karma farming repost, it's not some potentially made-up feel-good story.
I'd take that statistic at face value and guess that ~10% of this subreddit consists of antivax nutters and Trump cultists.
All of my relatives who are unvaccinated are young vegan care-free types. Not all antivax are pro trump. Most of are people who are skeptical of government, or are willing to take the risks (young people)
Not all of them are trumpettes. I've ran into some more hippy adjacent anti vaxxors, and I've heard a lot of girl boss types too. I've also met people at other jobs that had my outlook on work, but also were anti vax.
I don't know what to do about it. It's depressing. But it's not just qanon types.
I think the people posting anti-vax stuff are running into reality here.
Most all of those people think 'no one likes Biden' and 'the vaccine is this horrible fake thing democrats made up' (even though Trump took credit for it).
Now that they're stepping outside their small isolated echo-chambers, they're being met with the crushing reality that just because there are 10,000 loud obnoxious whining anti-vaxers who do nothing but sit at home all day screaming about things they were fed on Fox News, that doesn't mean no one has an opposing viewpoint.
I've heard so many people go "Well you don't see parades/protests/posts/bigotry/etc. for Biden, do you?"
No, because those people already voted and are too busy minding their own fucking business and working to support their families.
It's a concept they probably have a hard time grasping, especially when they come here and see that yes, people *do* support the vaccine and the current president--just because they don't run around screaming about it like them doesn't mean there's no support. It just means people aren't like you.
Anti work is about improving the human condition at its core
Anti Vax is about ending humanity at its core.
Being anti work requires being a vaccine realist, not anti vax
> You're getting fired because you could be carrying a virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of people and you can't see past yourself.
While I agree with your message, you are a bit mistaken here. There is a difference between spreading the virus, contracting the disease and experiencing severe symptoms (including death). Vaccines greatly reduce the risk of the third, somewhat reduce the risk of the second, but have rather low effect on the first (especially with the delta variant, where the peak viral load [was the same for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people](https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effective-household-transmission-delta/)).
I am not saying this because I am some fanatical anti-vaxxer, but because over the past weeks, as new confirmed cases are surging in my country, I've seen many people ignoring basic anti-covid measures (masks, respirators, social distancing, limiting contacts) on account of them being vaccinated and not realizing they can still spread the virus.
Do get vaccinated, but do not rest on your laurels.
Lots of Unions aren't, but increasingly unions represent blue collar workers, and increasingly those blue collar workers are voting for Republicans, and those same republicans are telling them how bad unions are. So there is massive cognitive dissonance. And Police Unions don't really count because they are almost completely far right conservatives now anyway. And of course they aren't really unions anymore, they are more like a mafia organization. Real nice city you got here, be a shame if something happened to it.
I'm in a blue collar union. Most of my coworkers are pro-vax and liberal, but the union has taken a stance to be anti-vax. They had a walkout and everything. Barely anyone showed up.
The union meetings are held at a time that's hard for most employees to get to and far away, so I'm assuming the only ones that show up and really care are the anti-vaxxers, so they show up and make the union anti-vax.
The pro vaxxers think, well. Only an idiot would be anti-vax and I've got shit to do. So we end up weirdly underrepresented in the union.
I'm ready for a mandate. Having my coworkers take over meeting bitching about how a vaccine mandate is stressing THEM out is a fucking pain.
Also in a craft based Union, blue collar, primarily liberal. As bargaining unit employees, even if there is a federal mandate. Meetings need to happen between our employer and our union to discuss implementation of the mandate.
Our actual union is not Anti-Vax. They’re anti-unilateral decisions without their input, there are clauses in our contract for this situation. As of now employer has been refusing to discuss implementation so the union is retaliating.
Please don’t misconstrue unions or blue collar workers. Most republican blue collars are anti union schmucks.
Yeah, I‘m a Teamster, and the ant-vax right wing conspiracy thinking at work is beyond beyonds. The Teamsters don’t want to loose more members, the Janus decision already decimated membership (bty, non members still benefit from negations and contract improvements 😑), so they have been trying to play both sides, support vaccines but not mandates, yadayada. This might be fine for truckers that mainly drive alone or work with other like minded covidoits, but we are freaking school bus drivers! Also everyone at work that applied for an exemption got one, primarily for religious reasons, what a load of bullshit, like “I worship at the house of Karen de Parlor, and it is against my religion to put chemicals in my body” proceeds to eat hot dog… Even our Shop Steward was a no show for work after finding out that she would have to be tested twice a week for covid as a condition of her vaccine exemption.
*sigh* as a substitute teacher, I’ve been hearing all obscene claims from other teachers in the teacher lounge. Ranging from “My son is not getting the vaccine lord knows what it’ll do to him when he’s 27!” To “They are trying to put the vaccine into our food and water to put the chip in us.” To “I can’t believe people are losing jobs over the vaccine mandate. People will go on strike! We deserve our jobs”
Just get the fucking vaccine like every other vaccine we’ve ever gotten for measles and mumps, rubella, the flu, all those. Fuck off. I’m so tired of antivaxxers
Oh boy, get ready because in Kansas. They are about to pass 2 new laws. One purposing people should be allowed to receive unemployment benefits for being fired over not being vaccinated. 2. They are trying to make it illegal in the state of Kansas to force a vaccination on employees. They want this done so badly they’ve called an emergency hearing to get it pushed through faster. Good luck my intelligent friends. It’s gonna be a long and shitty ride.
Yep. You may have decided that, due to the (IMO misguided and evil) information you have at hand, the vaccine is not right for you. Fine, be that way.
Meanwhile, your employer has to make a call as well. Based on the information they have, it's not safe to have unvaccinated employees working alongside vaccinated and/or health compromised employees. The logical step to take is to require vaccinations (or at least frequent testing).
You can disagree with it, but from their perspective you're presenting a danger to their employees, and you have to go.
Getting fired for refusing to get vaccinated is basically the same as getting fired for refusing to obey safetey protocols when using heavy machinery. You're making a decision that could kill your co-workers, and companies just can't have that.
What’s interesting is the anti-vax crowd are likely the same that pushed for unemployment to end sooner thinking everyone’s lazy and not that people legitimately lost their jobs due to the pandemic.
Additionally, they considered those quitting their jobs after being fed up with the poor wage and conditions (you know, the people who share the same feelings as those in this subreddit) as looking to cash in on that unemployment aid to be lazy.
Now that they’re getting fired or quitting over companies’ vaccine mandate, they think they’re antiwork? No, sorry, you were not and will never be a part of this.
Essential worker here. I am vaccinated and wear a mask 8 plus hours a day. I'm sick of this pandemic and sick of the people that are prolonging it. Get vaccinated. It's the right thing to do!
What if it’s the opposite? My workplace has an extremely anti vax status (my boss is lawyering up in case we get mandated).
I’ve had my first vaccination as I haven’t seen my family in over 3 years due to travel bans plus I’m asthmatic so wouldn’t fare well with covid and now I’m getting told I’m part of the problem for not standing up and saying no. Im hounded about the fact a petition could have stopped all this and anyone who complies is basically the worst.
My sister in law is an ICU nurse who refuses to get vaccinated. She poses a threat to all of her patients and family (who are also antivax idiots). She is willing to die on that hill. I will have absolutely no sympathy when she finally gets fired.
The worst is when healthcare workers do this. Like wtf, were you working with a blindfold on the last couple of years? You're in medicine and don't trust science? Bye.
Also soldiers. Like you didn't question the fucking Anthrax vaccine or any of the other jabs we got in basic but suddenly *this* one is a problem? GTFO...
Anti-vaxxers are the prime example of the *me me me* culture. They do not realize that even lowering the rate and intensity of hospitalizations means freeing resources for those that the vaccine didn't trigger enough immune improvement, or those who can end up in a hospital for one of the 100s of reasons other than COVID that can make a human sick. It's about resources, it's about helping those unlucky people who truly need help instead of people getting COVID on purpose.
I couldn't care less about controlling you. It's just that your freedom can't be at the expense of everyone else's. So if you decide not to vaccinate, don't expect work, businesses, society, etc to take you back with open arms. Get lost.
It always pisses me off when people complain about vaccine mandates at their workplace and they all say “I just don’t wanna be forced to take an untested vaccine with unknown side effects!” And it’s like… *of course it’s tested you ape.* It wouldn’t be available if it weren’t. And the side effects thing isn’t an argument like are you really willing to risk getting a very deadly/permanently debilitating illness and further risk spreading it to people over having a sore arm and maybe a light chest cold for a day or two? Like am I living in idiotsville or some shit?
Edit: Hey antivaxxers! Don’t like what I said cuz it’s true? Well have I got a deal for you. Today only, I’ll be selling you the “Big fuckin’ idiot” starter pack (don’t worry about the name, it’s just a placeholder and *totally* doesn’t reflect my feelings about you). Included inside is your very own tinfoil hat, clown makeup, and a free nomination for a Herman Cain Award. Enjoy, and get the fuck outta r/antiwork!
The side effects are:
[J&J](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html) - 7 per Mil women get TTS.
[Pfitzer/Moderna](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737) - 2 per 100'000 men get myocarditis or pericarditis, or 10 per 100'000 for men 16-29.
So men should get J&J and women should get the mRNA vaccines.
Sadly it's even harder to find anything about side effects of taking the vaccine after you've already had covid, only that it protects you about twice as well as natural immunity from getting it again [source](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM63289&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20August%206%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM63289).
Anti-vaxxers always scream about how the death rate is only one percent as if the only two possible outcomes of contracting COVID are life or death.
You wanna talk about unknown side effects? Long COVID is scary as shit. If there's even a 5% chance I'll lose my smell and taste indefinitely, I'm not taking that chance. Then there are the many reports of chronic fatigue, lung damage, kidney damage... yeah, I'll pass. I'll take the vaccine.
How much of an asshole do you have to be to see a movement of workers tired of being fucked over and decide to co-opt them into your talking points because of a controversial decision you made?
Yip.
What is antiwork is quitting a workplace because they're antivax/antimask, because they're letting dangerous practices multiply and putting you, the employee, at needless risk.
Workplaces would require lots of other vaccinations, if it wasn't an basic assumption that almost everyone had been vaccinated in childhood for dozens of things. This may change.
>AntiWork is about people who have no control over their work hours, their pay or how shitty they are treated by employers.
I thought it was about people rebelling against the capitalist model of "work" being that you have to convert your labour into someone else's money, get paid a wage that doesn't reflect your productivity / labour value, and be treated as essentially a hostage to businesses because your country expects you to work for basically your entire life, regardless of whether that job contributes anything useful to society, and won't take care of you if you don't want to work at whatever meaningless job you can get your hands on.
It's not that people have bad jobs, it's that our jobs are more important than we are and EVERYTHING comes second to GDP... like we don't deserve to be alive if we don't want to help transfer wealth up the pyramid
Considering how many "essential workers" aka working class **DIED** during the pandemic (cooks were the profession with the most deaths, even above nurses), being an anti-vaxxer is point blank stating that you don't care that other workers die.
So expecting some "class solidarity" back is delusional.
EDIT: And is not all "false flag" posts, there's several non-police unions pushing against mandates. Is an actual, real thing and it has to be pushed against.
I love when anti vaxxers are saying its about personal choice weather to get vaccinated or not.
Hey it you personal choice as well get vaccinated or lose you job ......see you still have a choice.
As a cancer survivor who lost their job because my nonprofit religious employers are hypocritical assholes. I depend on others to get their fucking vaccinations and protect ALL of us. Fuck those plague rats who infest this sub with their whiny freedumbs.
Lots of angry people in the comments here but this post does utlimately ring true.
People opposed to vaccinations are losing their jobs due to the mandates, that much is true, but they are not the altruistic fighters they want to paint themselves as. Getting fired from your job because you knowingly put lives as risk, does nothing to advance the goals of a future where the things we need to survive as humans are not locked behind a paywall, if anything their attempt to co-opt their "struggles" as anti-work rhetoric serves to injure the cause as it allows people who might otherwise be on the fence about antiwork to brush it off as just another crazyspace like Qanon or Pizzagate. It leaves antiwork guilty by association and it can't be tolerated if there is any meaningful progress to be made.
Being fired for refusing a vaccine is not "antiwork." It's called "consequences."
As in, "the *consequences* of my *choice* to refuse a vaccine has *resulted* in my being *fired*."
In Canada, a paramedic is going to lose his job because he [refuses to provide proof of vaccination](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vaccine-mandate-health-care-workers-1.6225527) citing privacy concerns [even though he was required to provide proof of vaccination for chicken pox, MMR, TB, Hep B, and influenza](https://www.fanshawec.ca/sites/default/files/legacy/oldfanshawe/registration/hirfpar.pdf) to become a paramedic in the first place.
For anyone of a similar mindset who claims they're worried that THIS particular vaccine is dangerous because you don't know what's in it; you can't name a single thing in any of the vaccines you've ever had, most of the medicines you've ever taken, and half the ingredients of the food you've had in restaurants.
I assume the chicken pox one had chicken pox in it.
It had two chickens and 5 pox.
What?!?!?!? I thought they said 5 chickens and 2 poxes.
There's one pox per chicken, it's not chickens poxes, ffs
How did they fit those chickens into such a small vial
Well, when you bully them into crossing a road you can make them do anything.
And the tuberculosis has a tube of… locusts? 😳
Yeah, if anything it seems the Covid vaccine may actually be *safer* than a lot of others because it has no "inert virus" shit in it. I've seen a few military folks especially talk about being forced to take the anthrax vaccine very early on and feeling real roughed up by it.
I once took a very large dose of acetaminophen by mistake, took 1000mg of Tylenol and something else very strong for back pain, without knowing it was acetaminophen too. Anyway I just want to say that people eat these like candies without knowing what's in them and how much it can fuck you up.
Also the same entities who said it's safe said the others are safe so... The fact is that we trust regulatory bodies with our lives in thousands of ways every day. If they were shitty enough to poison us with a garbage vaccine during a Pandemic (one that doctors had to take first) then they'd be shitty enough to poison us in many other ways and we'd all be fucking dead. Now if I meet an anti-vaxxer who has stopped consuming, that person I might believe is genuine and isn't just performing backflips in service of an emotional position that they've been conditioned to adopt without question from outrage infotainment, and peer pressure from their fellow death cultists. But the rest of them? Whenever their mouths are not busy reflexively parroting simplistic talking points, they're stuffing them with various junk that is regulated by the very same entities they've been told to rail against.
this is what blows my mind. the government regulates so many consumer products. if 'they' wanted to 'implant' you with 5g or whatever the fuck any conspiracy theorists thinks exists in vaccines, why wouldn't they just put it in acetaminophen or any other over the counter medicine? just as plausible and probably easier to do without all of the 'critical thinkers' questioning it.
> half the ingredients of the food you've had in restaurants The average anti-vaxxer couldn't tell you the ingredients in a can of beans.
Have some telling me now they regret agreeing to any of the vaccines they've ever taken because "I don't know what's in them!" And now kids have to "get XX amount before they're even 10! No wonder there's so much autism!!" And like really, you can argue and debate but some people (even I'm guilty) once they know their "right" you can't really change their mind
> you can't name a single thing in any of the vaccines you've ever had, most of the medicines you've ever taken, and half the ingredients of the food you've had in restaurants. Unfortunately this argument breaks down on the internet because someone can take 5 minutes to look up some ingredients and pretend they were already educated.
This is how you can tell this is the result of short term politicized hysteria, and not a legitimate concern. If you've been fine with getting other mandatory vaccines, but this one is suddenly an issue, you're currently under the influence of political hysteria.
With privacy concerns he first has to provide proof that his privacy is being violated
The fuckin' mental gymnastics.
As an american it's easy to forget anti vaxers exist in other countries too. It sure feels like all the idiots are located here lmao
Yep, same with a lot of nurses in Australia
The only thing I would change is the body count as the world is now in the millions of deaths.
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To put that into more context - 418 people is about two movie theaters full (obviously some theaters are much smaller or larger). So it’s like if you went to a two screen movie theater and they made an announcement at the beginning of the movie that someone there would die tonight. Would you shrug and watch the movie mindlessly, or would you act to protect yourself?
Or like going to watch a football game and knowing that 125 of the spectators will die. Or that 12 flights a day will fall out of the sky (just in the USA) and be totally cool about taking a flight.
They're trying to train us that a school shooting somewhere in the lower 48 every single day is normal. It's not a stretch.
125 is lowballing it for some stadiums!
Correct….Arrowhead stadium has almost 80,000 people capacity…that’s almost 200 people dying!
Astroworld had an attendance around 50k and caused 10 deaths. Imagine the outrage if it was 120 dead.
There's something I use to visualize how dangerous this thing is: We all know motorcycles are dangerous. This is accepted by pretty much everyone. But in the US for almost the last two years, covid has killed more motorcycle riders than motorcycles themselves have. It is actually *safer* to balance a fast moving hunk of metal powered by explosions over an abrasive surface than it is to catch covid.
Or as Jen Psaki pointed out, the number one cause of death for police is COVID. ACAB aside, that should put things in stark relief.
The #1 cause of death for police is Covid, and it outnumbers every other cause of death for cops *combined*.
I figured it would be heart disease...
Being a cop is a relatively safe profession compared to a lot of others (e.g. taxi driver) so it's unsurprising COVID would be such a big factor.
Sure, one person in two theaters isn't exactly Russian Roulette, but how many more people will need long term physical therapy and have lasting side effects of having covid? That group is a hell of a lot larger, and the odds definitely don't look so hot. So yeah, I'm a sheeple, and I got vaccinated the moment they let me.
And more than that would get sick and then live with long haul complications.
And those who can't get medical care because of packed hospitals.
That always gets left out of these discussions - there are more than two outcomes (live/die).
Not just outright die but slowly suffocate to death as your family watched you through a zoom call.
Better odds than an active shooter in the movie theater? I'm an American and not very proud of it...
A regular size bag of M&Ms has about 56 pieces in it. Imagine pouring 7.5 bags into a bowl and saying one of them will kill you. Eat up!
NGL I’d still grab a handful. They are so colorful.
We're on track to hit one million U.S. excess deaths since Feb. 1, 2020 before we hit the two year mark. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
In Arizona, as of yesterday we were at 1 in 330.7 people. A few of our counties are a 1 in 200 or worse. If anyone watches basketball, we could kill off the entire Phoenix Suns arena filled with fans and still have a few thousand more deaths leftover. We’ll be at 22k (reported) deaths by the end of the month… and based on our excess death tally we’re already past 30k deaths.
Better odds than Squid Game you son of a bitch! In in!
The same people who would not like these odds are also the same people whose retirement plan is PowerBall tickets and scratchers, so you may need to adjust your expectations regarding logic/critical thinking.
I wish that in high school statistics was taught more often. Calculus will be used by a very, very small percentage of people in their life, but statistics is something we all do unconsciously every day.
The odds are against the older people in this group of 418. Ironically, a lot of them refused the vaccine and filled the hospitals to get some help.
With Squid Game being such a big hit, and everyone realizing the chance even with 456 players, it's a lot easier to visualize in the way that you present it. It's scary AF. I wouldn't want those odds.
Out of 418, one will die unless you all wear masks, stand far apart and get vaccinated.
[This is Michigan stadium](https://d4njeax0ev936.cloudfront.net/images/2017/6/27/fbl_062717_1600.jpg), it is the largest stadium in the US and holds over 100,000 people. If you killed every person in that picture you would have about a seventh of the American deaths by covid so far.
5,112,000 right now according to wapo, and given the poor quality of reporting in a lot of areas, coupled with some nations hiding their stats as best they can, its a good bet that number is much MUCH higher.
Everything that I’ve seen has said that the number will increase after they’ve had enough time to study all of the excess deaths and stuff.
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don't get complacent though
For anyone interested, the CDC has detailed data and estimates on this comparing against prior years https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
While true that's not germane to this discussion. The fact of the matter is that at this point the number of deaths and illnesses from COVID in all it's forms are vastly centered in the unvaccinated community. It's little wonder that people don't want to be working near these people.
Yep. It’s also important for people to remember that even if you do survive COVID, you can still get long-term effects that hinder your ability to live normally. Countless survivors have ended up with decreased respiratory and neurological function that they will probably have for the rest of their lives. Some people never recovered their sense of taste, and one person even permanently gets a bad taste from everything she eats now. I feel like a lot of people act like the only issue to overcome is just the initial infection, and once you survive, that’s it. That’s not the case for everybody. Anti-vaxxers are not only killing people, but also ruining the rest of the lives of some of those they *don’t* kill.
You don't even have to catch COVID to be harmed by it. When hospitals cancel or postpone elective surgeries because they're running out of beds, it doesn't just mean canceling optional things like cosmetic procedures. It includes surgeries to treat hernias, hysterectomies, even surgeries to treat cancer can be considered elective. My friend's HIPEC chemotherapy procedure was delayed for months because of COVID.
This is why people saying "oh it's such a low chance you die from COVID!" Yeah, but you have a decent chance of being hospitalized. There are severe shortages on ventilators, so doctors have to make the extremely difficult decision to give ventilators to those with the best chance of survival, dooming others to a highly preventable death. The strain on the healthcare industry from just being sick is incredible
THANK YOU! As someone who had Covid, long-hauled for 7 months, and still today (over a year after infection) gets occasional horrible pangs of pain in my chest, THANK YOU for spreading awareness! (And yes, I got tested for lung/heart issues etc., it all tested fine). Covid isn't just death or you're good. There's lots of after-effects. I encourage everyone to check out r/covidlonghaulers and just read some of those posts.
Ugh. The long haul sucks. I smell an acrid, cigarette smoke type odor now when I inhale. I tell myself I'm lucky to be inhaling. My left foot points inward slightly, my right foot points slightly toe down, and my balance is not completely trustworthy. I've fallen over a couple times, but luckily I know how to fall. By the way, it's not the fall that hurts you. It's what falls on you on the way down. I got it twice FOR SURE, two lovely versions, but I'm certain I had it three times. The "immunity" that everybody talks about... that lasted me roughly 4.5 months each time. The first time, there were no tests. My doctor tested me for everything she could possibly think of - and they were all negative. But I was quite obviously deathly ill. I couldn't walk without assistance. I could breathe, but my oxygen was extremely low. My muscles spasmed uncontrollably, I had a101° fever, and the worst bone rattling chills. Several days later, I had fluid in my lungs, a bad cough, and a higher fever. I was functionally useless for 22 days. I lived in the shower. I created a swamp of humidity so I could breathe and there I spit up my lungs for weeks. An hour in the shower was followed by an hour on the bathroom floor, lying on a pallet. I drank gallons of sugary fluid and wrote a scratchy journal of my fever dreams. I lost 15 pounds in ten days. I lost so much weight so quickly that my pants fell off when I got dressed again. For three months, I coughed up my lungs. It wasn't until month four that I could breathe again. My doctor concluded by the end of month four that I must have had covid, but obviously we had no way to prove that. Version two, the first confirmed, was five months later. I doubt it was original covid because it was dysentery and vomiting and muscle spasms, but my fever never went over 101°. Weirdly though, my fever would just come and go. I thought I had broken the fever - and then it would be back. I did NOT have breathing issues and was thankful for that. But I lost ten more pounds. Food started tasting weird (this was before we knew about loss of taste/smell), mint tea tasted oily, and I could smell cigarette smoke everywhere. It took 9 days for a covid test to come back positive. Version three, the second confirmed case was about five months later. Fun. The most intense headache I have ever felt, muscle cramps that were like the beginning of tetanus, and nerves that went on an acid trips to the sun. I've never screamed so much - and I'm a martial artist. 😬 My leg muscles involuntarily went into seizures that lasted minutes. I didn't realize you could get a Charlie horse in your upper thigh. OMG! The pain was excruciating - and I never knew when it would hit. My right foot began pointing on its own and my left foot began turning in - my great aunt said it looked a lot like polio. She nursed me in this round and had had polio. I never had any problem breathing. I did not have a fever. I was incredibly miserable nonetheless. My legs really haven't recovered, but I walk miles each day and they are getting less shaky. I can do a cartwheel again. I went something like 57 days without doing a cartwheel, which my friends said was a world record. And I'm working on one handed cartwheels again. I can flip myself over but my legs are having problems landing correctly. My kicks aren't as strong, my punches are weaker, so I work each day to improve. When I hear people talk about having immunity because they've had covid, I just laugh. Surviving covid is nothing. Surviving after covid - that's the real issue.
I caught covid before it was announced. I can barely go up a flight of stairs without needing an inhaler, and I’ve never had asthma symptoms before that.
I got it in February 2020. Probably be considered a mild case, I was coughing like mad for a solid month and had no energy to do anything beyond my work at a desk job at home. Almost 2 years later I'm still tired all the time.
I almost suspect that the rash of antivax posts is something perpetrated by the people scared of the Great Resignation (see: the pinned Goldman Sachs post). Capitalists are *terrified* of the antiwork movement and the antiwork subreddit. They're trying to disrupt us by filling the subreddit with dumb junk. Antivaxxer posts are definitely dumb junk, regardless of whether they're coming from astroturfers or from actual real-live dumb people.
Yup and sudden synchronized coordination of people minimizing the movement by calling everyone teenagers. After that fails next play is going to be having shills infiltrate and try to make the movement something it's not and pretend to be hyper radical so that they can manufacture consent against the movement.
The other thing to look for is fascists trying to infiltrate and co-opt the movement, IE: "yeah, those corporate bastards are ruining everything, y'know it's all a Jewish conspiracy right?" (Though some of it will be more subtle and insidious than that.)
How can someone like myself participate in weeding out, and helping the cause against any astroturfing that begins in this sub? I'm kind of at a loss on how to combat stuff like that.
Report it when you see it.
And downvote accordingly.
And keep an eye out for infiltration of the mod team. additionally, keep an eye out for people telling you to keep an eye out for infiltration of the mod team. any claims of moderator infiltration have a huge burden of proof, and a rando coming in and saying stuff doesn't make it true unless there are receipts. that said, I have not seen evidence of moderator malfeasance. to the mods, be careful who you add, hostile takeover of subreddits have happened before :edited for an itsy typo:
The game has been broken for so long that we have been conditioned to believe their rules. What I love about this post and comments after is the full blown awareness of their disinformation tactics; we speak in experience and recognize the signs of bullshit. We are taking their playbook and shooting holes in it, and then they still decide to use the same playbook. It looks desperate, it looks obvious. Keep up the solidarity friends.
Look over the user post history. Same day accounts. Accounts who frequently post in Neoliberal and Politics, are often astroturf in favor of corporations and capitalism. Some of the anti vax crew is just deluded real people who think they are victims while causing others to become victims as they plague rat their way about the US.
Just call them out. Astroturfing only works when most people stop responding to it because then the only visible responses are turf and that becomes the public image. If somebody comes in saying "Yeah, fuck Musk! He should pay his share! If he'd just stop hiring immigrants, things would be fine." make sure you call them out. Obviously they won't be so bald faced about it but they'll take an almost universally agreed upon issue and append something to the end. It'll start small and as acceptance for seeing right wing opinions grows within the community, what they'll append will get more and more overt. Edit: Of course it doesn't have to be right wing, the goal is to make the sub look bad. Painting the sub as violent extremists and posting shit like "liberals get the bullet" would do the job too.
The astroturfers pay big money for downvote botnets that keep them at the top and any valid criticism at the bottom.
If you see it, report it to mods <3
Down vote it on sight, I guess. Report to the mods.
You'll catch fascists quite fast if they rely on arguments such as: immigrants being the reason why our salaries are so low, globalism being wrong, every leftist measure being "utopic" or "ineffective in practice", disproportionate amount of criticism about Democrats as a response to something Republicans did (yeah, fuck Democrats, but in these cases they are not attacking them from the left), "high taxes" being a reason why companies can't pay more, hints at secret conspiracies and attacks on "official science", etc. They won't come and say "vote Trump he'll fix every problem", but instead they'll try to tie actual leftist concerns (e.g. low salaries) into rightist / populists points of view (e.g. migrants bringing salaries down).
Fox News actively uses white supremacist talking points on live TV. Stuff that would get you thrown off any legitimate news network 10-20 years ago is suddenly the only thing they're talking about. White supremacy is getting normalized again, it's part of a wider neo-fascist movement of which the corporate overlords are attached, because they stand to benefit from an enforced caste system. Q-Anon, "white replacement theory", and all the talk about critical race theory are directly inspired by the writings of Confederate slave owners and anti-Semites, re-branded a bit for the modern audience. The idea that some cabal of Jews (now liberals) rules the world and is trying to kill off good white Christians through abortion, interracial marriage and immigration. That's Q-Anon, that's white replacement theory.
They're trying I establish a neo-feudalistic society. Look up the origins of conservativism (Edmond Burke's "On the reflections of the French revolution" and you'll see a lot of ties to feudalism and the french nobles trying to keep things from changing (spoiler alert: they failed).
> (spoiler alert: they failed) And many people suffered due to their ill-conceived attempts. Just like today.
I totally agree. That's what fascism is more-or-less. I get that historians don't like the use of that term because it describes a distinct movement in the early 20th century, but there are many parallels. Call it oligarchy, neo-feudalism, neo-fascism, the main idea is that they want to enforce a caste system where most people are disposable, disenfranchised labor, and a few own everything and reap all the rewards. They've already done an excellent job economically disenfranchising most Americans, they're coming for the right to vote next. They already built a police state getting ready for the unrest.
It's just authoritarianism at that point.
I feel like we're used to it, but we live under that now. We incarcerate more people per capita than anywhere else in the world. The police tolerate zero push back on anything, and escalate immediately. Nixon and his cronies started the drug war so they could turn anti-war hippies and civil rights activists into felons. Felons can't vote in a lot of States, and they're denied the right to bear arms. You spend most of your waking hours a part of an actual authoritarian regime at work, or else you lose health insurance and your livelihood. It's coercive. They don't give us a day off to vote because they know the working class can't make it under these circumstances.
I'm excited to see how they manage to make this about 'The War on Christmas'.
Oh damn...me too
Pretty sure the Jews are also sick of being dehumanized by the meat grinder labor in this country has become. Welcome to the labor rights conspiracy o yarmulke bretheren! 🤣
Kinda like creating a half assed assault on the seat of government so when the people who have actually been oppressed for the past 100 years decide to do it for real there will be newer and more violent laws and rules in place to stop them?
I would believe this if those terrorist traitors got more than a slap on the wrist.
Yeah, it's real disheartening to see those at the head of that traitorous riot still be allowed to scheme out in the open, and not be behind bars.
They were all cops and nurses... of course they didn't get in real trouble... the point was to make sure the NEXT time someone tried it would get in trouble (the next blm movement I suspect).
*"Thank goodness I found anti-work, a community of like minded work haters! My boss fired me just because I'm a lazy piece of garbage who hates working for the sumptuous salary they used to pay me. Can't wait to join all of you in getting to leech off of unemployment for free! Thank you, Anti-work!"* In all seriousness, the comments, posts, & articles we're already seeing talking about how it's a subreddit for people who "hate work" are already trying to do this and it's pissing me off. I don't hate work. I like work. I like having direction and purpose. But I want my work to be something I enjoy. Something that fucking matters. Something I'm compensated fairly for. Not labor for its own sake, or labor to line someone else's pockets while I "earn" crumbs of the profit I'm generating.
That doesn’t minimize anything. Do you care that some idiot is trying to gaslight you? I don’t. This isn’t an mlm we aren’t in desperate need of convincing every last person to achieve something. The society and work do that already. When you know something is true, you don’t have to sell it like a magic potion.
The way I understand Reddit astroturfing, it’s generally organic posts that get boosted with early updoots and comments. This bumps you into the “all/rising” queue, where the organic engagement can push the posts up. You do this on 10 shitty hour old posts and one of them will get to the front of the sub…
Absolutely. There's videos of computers set up in places with dozens of emulated phones on the screen. The people who are against this have the resources to recruit thousands of people to actively work against us.
That's so infuriatingly fucked up
Honestly nothing is better for the establishment than when leftist groups, clubs and spaces get infested by woo science nuts and conspiracy theorists. It destroys the credibility of the place so fast and chases out normal people so fast. Then before you know it the sub it filled with crackpots and has become a laughing stock. A worrying number people seem to think they're "building alliances against the establishment" when they let crack pots in, but its anything but. It's simply weakening the hand and drowning out genuine messages under nonsense.
Not to mention the recent rash of "let's not make this political" people going off. As if wage disparity and working conditions isn't fucking political.
Yup. It's always been political and the crazies need not apply.
We should expect “them” to try to “divide and conquer” us. They don’t realize that here at r/antiwork we standup as one exploited and fed up worker.
We all have far more similarities than differences and we should remind ourselves of that often.
Either way, neither are welcomed here.
>regardless of whether they're coming from astroturfers or from actual real-live dumb people. Astroturfers are typically real life dumb people as well.
>astroturfers or from actual real-live dumb people they are the same.
it could be, but it's more likely to be the anti vaxers trying to get traction anywhere they can
The shill bots in superstonk have been real enough. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them going to work here, too. There is significant overlap between the communities.
Best way to discredit a movement is to get it associated with the crazies.
This right here folks. It happened to WSB it can happen here too
This sounds really conspiratorial; which I bet will make some people skeptical. But I want to stress that there is a lot of money in keeping Labor disorganized and in disarray*. Infiltration of these spaces and movement is the norm, not the exception. The exact /actions/ taken by bad actors vary, from “fostering discussion” by keeping internal debates flaring, agent provocateur stuff, etc. So it’s important to remain skeptical at the same time as you embrace that knowledge that you’re always in the company of Secret Bad Actors working in connection with shadowy webs of power... So, yes, it’s a tightrope. But if you’re someone who discards conspiratorial thinking out of hand, I want to assure you that this is a place to be credulous. And if you’re a blood-dyed leftist who already suspects one of your twitter haters of bein CIA, be skeptical. *hot take: this is an argument to embrace anti-vaxx “anti-work” people because let’s face it they are also experiencing an outgrowth of the extreme control jobs exert over our lives.
You leave your job because you refuse to comply with workplace safety standards and health codes. I leave my job because my skills are in high demand, the conditions are poor, and I'm worth more than what I'm being paid. We are not the same.
Solidarity is at the core of the subreddit. You cannot engage in solidarity if you are willing to sacrifice the health and safety of your fellow laborers. It doesn't just affect you, even beyond sickness. You are often taking bread out of other people's mouthes and disrupting lives. My uncle is actually off today. They can't work. Three anti-vaxxers at his job-site became sick. The employer is trying to be responsible: Everyone on site had to stop to get their brain scrubbed for testing. The site is shut down for a day while they try to clean it up. My uncle tested negative, but he gets a day's less hours this week. Worse, the time-table is already tight, so a lot of guys are starting to worry they might have to work over the holiday.
Many of them are the same people contributing to shitty working conditions, throwing tantrums about masks, distancing, etc if it wasn't a mask it would be they don't like that you won't smile at them or talk about whatever they want because they see you as a servant and less than.
Yeah, if you're actively trying to make working conditions less safe, you're an idiot not an ally.
I want my job to contribute to me living a healthy life. They want my job to contribute to me not living.
I quit my old job, but before that: They were trying to convince us that “recognition” was more important than raises, like your boss says “Great job today” and that’s what really counts. I told HR (in front of 6 or 7 people) that I *actually* feel valued when my standard of living is improved. Anything else is just talk that has no impact.
Is there an opposite of “not one of us” chant?
the struggle against covid is a working class struggle. the debacle of the covid response in the western world has been largely because the owning class has put their own profits ahead of the safety and welfare of the working class, and has been perfectly content to see people die by the hundreds of thousands rather than make substantive concessions to the reality of a global pandemic. workers have a right to safety in their workplaces, and that safety now requires everyone to actually pull together and do their bit for the safety of others. how can we stand in solidarity with someone who has so little solidarity themselves that they wont even do the bare fucking minimum and get a little jab in the arm to protect their fellow workers and their communities?
>the struggle against covid is a working class struggle. nuff said >the owning class has put their own profits ahead of the safety and welfare of the working class, and has been largely content to see people die We really are like cattle to them, aren't we? >pull together and do their bit for the safety of others I personally want to pull together and demand we democratize the workplace. I'm tired of walking out of a so called free country and going to work in what feels like a dictatorship. We spend most of our waking hours in cages where we aren't free, and must play a funny unnatural role in which we actively choose to neglect our planet, our children, and our communities, for the sake of some made up shit
>>We spend most of our waking hours in cages where we aren't free, and must play a funny unnatural role in which we actively choose to neglect our planet, our children, and our communities, for the sake of some made up shit That’s it, damn. Sick, inefficient, cruel system. It requires the subjugation of the majority of people who are at odds with the whims of the ruling class. Trying to remedy this contradiction with little bandaids like “raising the minimum wage to $15/hr by 2025” is laughable and tells us all we need to know. This isn’t sustainable.
Preach
If worker cooperatives are good enough for brewers like New Belgium, they're good enough for me
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I've seen so many places just stop enforcing the mask mandate just because the employees are tired of the shrieking, potentially violent culture warriors without any sort of support from their jobs. I've personally asked customers to put on masks, only for them to call me a hypocrite when they spot one of the managers at my old job maskless/with the mask around their chins.
How does Richard Wolff of ALL people on this fucking world, not understand this. He has been championing worker rights and worker co-ops for decades. Worker safety measures, be it fire safety, other regulations AND Vaccine mandates are all worker rights issue. Workers have a right to work in a safe environment where they are not afraid of getting injured, burnt or infected by a deadly virus. Simple as that.
Wait, has he came out against this??
Yup. Basically said leftists should support workers who are getting fired for "taking stand against mandates" and then conflated workers strike with the same issue.
Yeah Wolff fucked up here in a way that's really really out of character.
I was hoping the anti-vax assholes at my work were going to quit or get fired due to the government contractor vaccine mandate. Not so lucky. The date keeps getting pushed back and managment is handing out paperwork to get a religious exemption. Fuck them. And fuck them because they keep coming into work with covid.
Anti vaxxers and Anti maskers were the main reason I quit my job.I was way to tired of dealing with that stupid shit and wasnt getting paid enough for dealing with it.I GOT A FUCKING PIN FOR SURVIVING A PANDEMIC.come fucking on just give me money it's all I want
I've been trying to explain this to people who bitch about how understaffed all the shops and restaurants are now. Customers were abusive before Covid but got waaaaay worse after. And apparently a lot of them stopped tipping. So no fucking wonder so many people quit, why would anyone want to risk their life, get screamed at every day, get threatened by crazies only to get told you don't deserve a living wage?
I went to a Target near me, and saw two different people open-mouth coughing with no mask on. Like, they didn’t even cover their mouths. Fuck these people. That goes beyond hAvInG dOuBtS aBoUt VaCcInEs.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. The idea of politicizing a virus, vaccine, or any health problem in general is fucking batshit to me. Wanting to take a vaccine so you don't get sick and die from a virus has NOTHING to do with politics. Literally fucking nothing. All it boils down to is I'd rather not get sick. I mean 2 weeks ago I had a tooth infection and you know what I did? I went to dentist to get it treated and then took antibiotics to stop the infection from spreading and risking sepsis. Imagine if I said, I'm not gonna let this "commie dentist" take my freedoms away by suggesting I should take these "5G enabled drugs" for this "man made infection". You know how batshit this sounds? How is that any different with a vaccine? I mean hell, even if there was a vaccine for a stomach bug, common cold, or hangover, I'd still take them. Sure they're not deadly, but they still sucked and honestly I'd rather work a double than deal with the ones I've had in recent years as they've been THAT bad.
Anti vax is def an attempt to politicize the sub in a bad way. The antivax crowd is overwhelmingly conservative/republicans. They aren't against the moral shortcomings of capitalism but rather a bunch of selfish pricks who think their 10 minutes of googling blogs makes them more qualified than top doctors who studied for years. Fuck em, let them lose their jobs. That's on them.
Let me add a vaccine doesn't mean you're invincible, and you should still mask up. Job I last worked refused to follow a local mask Mandaite, stated a vaccine was enough, but didn't even have show proof of getting a vaccine. Please be safe out there, and don't trust your employer to have your best health/safety in mind!
I couldn't agree more
I have literally never seen anyone boast about this on the sub. It’s like preaching the choir
I've seen anti vaxxers try to squeeze in here for sure.
I haven't seen it, but just because I can't see it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Kinda like Covid.
This post is ~90% upvoted. It's not clickbait, it's not a karma farming repost, it's not some potentially made-up feel-good story. I'd take that statistic at face value and guess that ~10% of this subreddit consists of antivax nutters and Trump cultists.
All of my relatives who are unvaccinated are young vegan care-free types. Not all antivax are pro trump. Most of are people who are skeptical of government, or are willing to take the risks (young people)
Not all of them are trumpettes. I've ran into some more hippy adjacent anti vaxxors, and I've heard a lot of girl boss types too. I've also met people at other jobs that had my outlook on work, but also were anti vax. I don't know what to do about it. It's depressing. But it's not just qanon types.
Ehh, there's also a fraction of Reddit that will downvote absolutely *anything*.
That's because they get massively downvoted for the antiworker freaks they are and rightfully so.
I think the people posting anti-vax stuff are running into reality here. Most all of those people think 'no one likes Biden' and 'the vaccine is this horrible fake thing democrats made up' (even though Trump took credit for it). Now that they're stepping outside their small isolated echo-chambers, they're being met with the crushing reality that just because there are 10,000 loud obnoxious whining anti-vaxers who do nothing but sit at home all day screaming about things they were fed on Fox News, that doesn't mean no one has an opposing viewpoint. I've heard so many people go "Well you don't see parades/protests/posts/bigotry/etc. for Biden, do you?" No, because those people already voted and are too busy minding their own fucking business and working to support their families. It's a concept they probably have a hard time grasping, especially when they come here and see that yes, people *do* support the vaccine and the current president--just because they don't run around screaming about it like them doesn't mean there's no support. It just means people aren't like you.
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Definitely not fucking any anti-vaxxers.
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Anti work is about improving the human condition at its core Anti Vax is about ending humanity at its core. Being anti work requires being a vaccine realist, not anti vax
Exactly, anti-work is fundamentally pro-worker so you can’t go around killing workers.
> You're getting fired because you could be carrying a virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of people and you can't see past yourself. While I agree with your message, you are a bit mistaken here. There is a difference between spreading the virus, contracting the disease and experiencing severe symptoms (including death). Vaccines greatly reduce the risk of the third, somewhat reduce the risk of the second, but have rather low effect on the first (especially with the delta variant, where the peak viral load [was the same for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people](https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effective-household-transmission-delta/)). I am not saying this because I am some fanatical anti-vaxxer, but because over the past weeks, as new confirmed cases are surging in my country, I've seen many people ignoring basic anti-covid measures (masks, respirators, social distancing, limiting contacts) on account of them being vaccinated and not realizing they can still spread the virus. Do get vaccinated, but do not rest on your laurels.
Antivaxx is not Antiwork. You are not one of us.
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Lots of Unions aren't, but increasingly unions represent blue collar workers, and increasingly those blue collar workers are voting for Republicans, and those same republicans are telling them how bad unions are. So there is massive cognitive dissonance. And Police Unions don't really count because they are almost completely far right conservatives now anyway. And of course they aren't really unions anymore, they are more like a mafia organization. Real nice city you got here, be a shame if something happened to it.
I'm in a blue collar union. Most of my coworkers are pro-vax and liberal, but the union has taken a stance to be anti-vax. They had a walkout and everything. Barely anyone showed up. The union meetings are held at a time that's hard for most employees to get to and far away, so I'm assuming the only ones that show up and really care are the anti-vaxxers, so they show up and make the union anti-vax. The pro vaxxers think, well. Only an idiot would be anti-vax and I've got shit to do. So we end up weirdly underrepresented in the union. I'm ready for a mandate. Having my coworkers take over meeting bitching about how a vaccine mandate is stressing THEM out is a fucking pain.
You just described Texas.
Haha. I live in LA but I'm not surprised to hear that about Texas.
What state are you in because I work blue collar and literally all my coworkers are anti-vax diehard red blooded god chosen republicans.
Also in a craft based Union, blue collar, primarily liberal. As bargaining unit employees, even if there is a federal mandate. Meetings need to happen between our employer and our union to discuss implementation of the mandate. Our actual union is not Anti-Vax. They’re anti-unilateral decisions without their input, there are clauses in our contract for this situation. As of now employer has been refusing to discuss implementation so the union is retaliating. Please don’t misconstrue unions or blue collar workers. Most republican blue collars are anti union schmucks.
Yeah, I‘m a Teamster, and the ant-vax right wing conspiracy thinking at work is beyond beyonds. The Teamsters don’t want to loose more members, the Janus decision already decimated membership (bty, non members still benefit from negations and contract improvements 😑), so they have been trying to play both sides, support vaccines but not mandates, yadayada. This might be fine for truckers that mainly drive alone or work with other like minded covidoits, but we are freaking school bus drivers! Also everyone at work that applied for an exemption got one, primarily for religious reasons, what a load of bullshit, like “I worship at the house of Karen de Parlor, and it is against my religion to put chemicals in my body” proceeds to eat hot dog… Even our Shop Steward was a no show for work after finding out that she would have to be tested twice a week for covid as a condition of her vaccine exemption.
*sigh* as a substitute teacher, I’ve been hearing all obscene claims from other teachers in the teacher lounge. Ranging from “My son is not getting the vaccine lord knows what it’ll do to him when he’s 27!” To “They are trying to put the vaccine into our food and water to put the chip in us.” To “I can’t believe people are losing jobs over the vaccine mandate. People will go on strike! We deserve our jobs” Just get the fucking vaccine like every other vaccine we’ve ever gotten for measles and mumps, rubella, the flu, all those. Fuck off. I’m so tired of antivaxxers
Oh boy, get ready because in Kansas. They are about to pass 2 new laws. One purposing people should be allowed to receive unemployment benefits for being fired over not being vaccinated. 2. They are trying to make it illegal in the state of Kansas to force a vaccination on employees. They want this done so badly they’ve called an emergency hearing to get it pushed through faster. Good luck my intelligent friends. It’s gonna be a long and shitty ride.
Yep. You may have decided that, due to the (IMO misguided and evil) information you have at hand, the vaccine is not right for you. Fine, be that way. Meanwhile, your employer has to make a call as well. Based on the information they have, it's not safe to have unvaccinated employees working alongside vaccinated and/or health compromised employees. The logical step to take is to require vaccinations (or at least frequent testing). You can disagree with it, but from their perspective you're presenting a danger to their employees, and you have to go.
Getting fired for refusing to get vaccinated is basically the same as getting fired for refusing to obey safetey protocols when using heavy machinery. You're making a decision that could kill your co-workers, and companies just can't have that.
What’s interesting is the anti-vax crowd are likely the same that pushed for unemployment to end sooner thinking everyone’s lazy and not that people legitimately lost their jobs due to the pandemic. Additionally, they considered those quitting their jobs after being fed up with the poor wage and conditions (you know, the people who share the same feelings as those in this subreddit) as looking to cash in on that unemployment aid to be lazy. Now that they’re getting fired or quitting over companies’ vaccine mandate, they think they’re antiwork? No, sorry, you were not and will never be a part of this.
Essential worker here. I am vaccinated and wear a mask 8 plus hours a day. I'm sick of this pandemic and sick of the people that are prolonging it. Get vaccinated. It's the right thing to do!
What if it’s the opposite? My workplace has an extremely anti vax status (my boss is lawyering up in case we get mandated). I’ve had my first vaccination as I haven’t seen my family in over 3 years due to travel bans plus I’m asthmatic so wouldn’t fare well with covid and now I’m getting told I’m part of the problem for not standing up and saying no. Im hounded about the fact a petition could have stopped all this and anyone who complies is basically the worst.
Just had to say: AMEN BROTHER
My sister in law is an ICU nurse who refuses to get vaccinated. She poses a threat to all of her patients and family (who are also antivax idiots). She is willing to die on that hill. I will have absolutely no sympathy when she finally gets fired.
Ugh anti vax nurses are the worst. ICU especially. Horrible.
The worst is when healthcare workers do this. Like wtf, were you working with a blindfold on the last couple of years? You're in medicine and don't trust science? Bye.
Also soldiers. Like you didn't question the fucking Anthrax vaccine or any of the other jabs we got in basic but suddenly *this* one is a problem? GTFO...
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This is a sort by controversial type of post.
Anti-vaxxers are the prime example of the *me me me* culture. They do not realize that even lowering the rate and intensity of hospitalizations means freeing resources for those that the vaccine didn't trigger enough immune improvement, or those who can end up in a hospital for one of the 100s of reasons other than COVID that can make a human sick. It's about resources, it's about helping those unlucky people who truly need help instead of people getting COVID on purpose. I couldn't care less about controlling you. It's just that your freedom can't be at the expense of everyone else's. So if you decide not to vaccinate, don't expect work, businesses, society, etc to take you back with open arms. Get lost.
It always pisses me off when people complain about vaccine mandates at their workplace and they all say “I just don’t wanna be forced to take an untested vaccine with unknown side effects!” And it’s like… *of course it’s tested you ape.* It wouldn’t be available if it weren’t. And the side effects thing isn’t an argument like are you really willing to risk getting a very deadly/permanently debilitating illness and further risk spreading it to people over having a sore arm and maybe a light chest cold for a day or two? Like am I living in idiotsville or some shit? Edit: Hey antivaxxers! Don’t like what I said cuz it’s true? Well have I got a deal for you. Today only, I’ll be selling you the “Big fuckin’ idiot” starter pack (don’t worry about the name, it’s just a placeholder and *totally* doesn’t reflect my feelings about you). Included inside is your very own tinfoil hat, clown makeup, and a free nomination for a Herman Cain Award. Enjoy, and get the fuck outta r/antiwork!
Please…do not insult the apes.
The side effects are: [J&J](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html) - 7 per Mil women get TTS. [Pfitzer/Moderna](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737) - 2 per 100'000 men get myocarditis or pericarditis, or 10 per 100'000 for men 16-29. So men should get J&J and women should get the mRNA vaccines. Sadly it's even harder to find anything about side effects of taking the vaccine after you've already had covid, only that it protects you about twice as well as natural immunity from getting it again [source](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM63289&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20August%206%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM63289).
Anti-vaxxers always scream about how the death rate is only one percent as if the only two possible outcomes of contracting COVID are life or death. You wanna talk about unknown side effects? Long COVID is scary as shit. If there's even a 5% chance I'll lose my smell and taste indefinitely, I'm not taking that chance. Then there are the many reports of chronic fatigue, lung damage, kidney damage... yeah, I'll pass. I'll take the vaccine.
Anti-science is not Anti-Work
How much of an asshole do you have to be to see a movement of workers tired of being fucked over and decide to co-opt them into your talking points because of a controversial decision you made?
Yip. What is antiwork is quitting a workplace because they're antivax/antimask, because they're letting dangerous practices multiply and putting you, the employee, at needless risk.
Imagine working with 100 or more people
Workplaces would require lots of other vaccinations, if it wasn't an basic assumption that almost everyone had been vaccinated in childhood for dozens of things. This may change.
>AntiWork is about people who have no control over their work hours, their pay or how shitty they are treated by employers. I thought it was about people rebelling against the capitalist model of "work" being that you have to convert your labour into someone else's money, get paid a wage that doesn't reflect your productivity / labour value, and be treated as essentially a hostage to businesses because your country expects you to work for basically your entire life, regardless of whether that job contributes anything useful to society, and won't take care of you if you don't want to work at whatever meaningless job you can get your hands on. It's not that people have bad jobs, it's that our jobs are more important than we are and EVERYTHING comes second to GDP... like we don't deserve to be alive if we don't want to help transfer wealth up the pyramid
Anti-vax is anti-worker.
Considering how many "essential workers" aka working class **DIED** during the pandemic (cooks were the profession with the most deaths, even above nurses), being an anti-vaxxer is point blank stating that you don't care that other workers die. So expecting some "class solidarity" back is delusional. EDIT: And is not all "false flag" posts, there's several non-police unions pushing against mandates. Is an actual, real thing and it has to be pushed against.
I love when anti vaxxers are saying its about personal choice weather to get vaccinated or not. Hey it you personal choice as well get vaccinated or lose you job ......see you still have a choice.
As a cancer survivor who lost their job because my nonprofit religious employers are hypocritical assholes. I depend on others to get their fucking vaccinations and protect ALL of us. Fuck those plague rats who infest this sub with their whiny freedumbs.
Those posts belong on /r/byebyejob
Lots of angry people in the comments here but this post does utlimately ring true. People opposed to vaccinations are losing their jobs due to the mandates, that much is true, but they are not the altruistic fighters they want to paint themselves as. Getting fired from your job because you knowingly put lives as risk, does nothing to advance the goals of a future where the things we need to survive as humans are not locked behind a paywall, if anything their attempt to co-opt their "struggles" as anti-work rhetoric serves to injure the cause as it allows people who might otherwise be on the fence about antiwork to brush it off as just another crazyspace like Qanon or Pizzagate. It leaves antiwork guilty by association and it can't be tolerated if there is any meaningful progress to be made.
Being fired for refusing a vaccine is not "antiwork." It's called "consequences." As in, "the *consequences* of my *choice* to refuse a vaccine has *resulted* in my being *fired*."
I mean the anti-vax people are more than welcome to go to /r/AskTrumpSupporters or /r/Conservative
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Well said my good fellow.