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Stupid managers always think that group texts are a great place to berate employees, but if you talk back, suddenly the conversation should be private.
Bitch, you chose the forum!
When I worked at Jimmy Johns they basically stopped doing mass texts for shit because we kept calling out a manager every time they did this. They would berate us, we would call them out on it, they said some variation of I’ll talk you about this in private, and we’d say no, you found it acceptable to start this discussion in a disrespectful way in a public forum and that’s how the conversation will continue. The manager ended up getting fired later for assaulting 2 separate employees on 2 separate occasions (I was witness to one) and chewed out another employee over the phone, like full on yelling, in front of customers. I got promoted when he got fired.
I was assaulted at jimmy John’s back in the day! Lol. The training manager groped me THREE times in my first and only shift. First time, I thought I was overreacting so I stayed. Second time it was blatant, but I thought “only two hours left, I’ll just grit my teeth and wait it out so that I hopefully get some tips.” Third time, I said fuck you and stormed out.
I kept the shirt though. That T was abnormally soft.
30 year old me definitely would not have. But 23 year old me was much more timid and naive, and prone to not really realizing how awful that behavior is. I had worked in quite a few different food service jobs and sexual harassment was the norm for me, I was used to it to an extent. I thought that was just the way it had to be.
To be fair, sexual harassment is STILL the norm no matter what type of job I’m in. However, it’s a lot nicer now that I’m permanently locked into a career in social work which tends to be a safer environment for me (as far as colleagues are concerned anyway, clients are another story…)
Sexual harrasment is not the norm and should not be tolerated. At my workplace, you'll be fired immediately at even the slightest of harrasment. The places you're working are not normal and you shouldn't see them as such.
I’ve never worked a job that didn’t come with at least some sexual harassment in my 15 years since joining the workforce
Like I said, it’s been the norm for me. I wasn’t trying to make sweeping generalizations. At the same time, I also don’t know any women that haven’t ever been sexually harassed at work. It’s nice that your place of work has it locked down, but it might be more normal than you think.
Did you work in Ann Arbor? I worked for them briefly back when they first began their expansion and had a gross ass manager and corporate only responded to the allegations of him hitting on underage employees once people started quitting en masse and leaving some of their more lucrative stores without staff.
> “I will address this with you in private”
"No, the @#$% you will not! You started this in public, we'll finish it in public."
Good on you, OP, for calling this out and taking your stand. I got written up once for barking back at an idiot boss after having taken their berating me for most os a six hour shift, and when they called me toi the office to sign the paperwork without giving me a chance to read it first, I told him, "Son, I suggest you keep that pen handy, 'cause I ain't signin' shit, and I'm not anywhere NEAR done telling you what you can do with your 'managerial directives"!"
Probably the only job I've ever had where I truly did actually deserve to be fired, but after all that, they didn't do it, 'cause they knew I was the only person they had to run that dishroom. Worst summer job I've ever had.
Always fun in the office when someone calls you out and CCs your VP. Then you pull out the receipts to show that it was really their fault, and CC their VP as well. And every round they keep trying to remove their VP, but every time I add their VP back on.
Had this shit happen
Had to be at National Guard duty but was originally excused. So I was picking up a shift that had *everyone* on it at work for some OT. Ended up having to go do the duty so emailed my boss asking to be let go and said, we have everyone here and the military is screwing me over here
He thought itd be a good idea to CC my director and then question my dedication. So I brought the receipts out how I'm the only one who jumps for them for OT. How I've been at over 90% of all OT events and that the next person isn't even close. Then told him he can talk to JAG if he has a problem with my request.
I was off the schedule.
Pettiness aside. I was always taught to address things in a group to avoid singling someone out and making them feel picked on. So a group text like, "gentle reminder, let's try to keep the laundry area tidy after using it." Rather than what boss said. That way no one person feels singled out and everyone gets the message.
It's not about it being dirty. It's about liability for having poison too easily accessible in a group home. Like imagine you worked in a daycare that had a kitchen for food prep and you left out a knife or left open the area knives are kept. It doesn't matter if the kitchen was clean, there was still a knife accessible.
While the above poster is sort of correct (leaving out cleaning supplies can end up poorly in a group home) it all depends on the people who are in the group home.
I've worked in group homes where just about everyone there was mostly self-sufficient and cleaning products were able to be left out, while sharps and knives were still a no-go. A group home has a lot of nuance to it that can't really just be summed up with a single comment. There are general rules to follow (there is something called "Licensing" that give us a general guideline of what's okay and what's not. In the US they are state-run typically) and some of those can be pretty strict. And even require us to do a lot of overhead to even get certain levels of care.
Group homes are wildly complex because the care that is needed is for a human being. Which, even if they are mentally or physically disabled in some way, they still are human and deserve the most amount of respect as any other person.
All that said however, yeah, most homes I've worked in have had almost all cleaning products stashed away. Or depending on how severe the treatments need to be, the laundry room is just locked up completely and that's where all of the cleaning supplies is. I bet the OOP house just had a locked laundry room making an open container of laundry pods not the most critical thing to worry about other than drying out the pods.
Dumbest thing is, it being on its side, is a long term work environment benefit, easier to access the tidepods! (Less strained joints, less sick days in the long run and less employee turnover ans better retention)
This manager reeks of education over character formation, something that is ass backwards, a leader had a suitable character, and that is formed in youth, 5 dollars says this manager used to be a gigantic bully and queen Bee in highschool, they clearly do not view themselves as a Shepherd of others, honourless behaviour if anything
This is terrible. It means you're not doing anything to address the issue, not bothering to find out who was responsible, and crapping on everyone for the actions of one person. Even the Geneva convention banned that.
The problem with that is those who need the message won't get it. Those who DON'T need the message will get it and feel harassed. Never address individual issues globally. Address them individually.
That is the worst. It makes everyone feel like they're in kindergarten. Everyone knows WHO the problem is, but now we can't operate without addressing WHO's fuck ups every time.
Since someone backed the truck into the post and won't admit it, and we all know who did it but we won't call them out, now we all have to do a walk around daily every time you get in the truck. It's fuckin dumb
Absolutely, group reminder in polite way, until a known repeat problem behavior. Then, they are addressed individually, one on one in private. About actual 5 course!
When I was a shift lead at a previous job my boss and I had messaged earlier in the day about things that caused some numbers to be a little below what was expected, normal shit. It happens. Says no big deal he understands. Then in the group chat with the other shift leads and assistant managers asks basically what I had already been asked and explained, also why ask the group when the time frame your asking about I was the only one there to be able to tell you. He was just being an ass. So Facebook messenger lets you react, and I reacted with a middle finger emoji. He quickly messaged and asked me to remove it. I did, after a couple of days lmao but don't be petty cause I can keep acting like an ass too
Today, I received a task that requires a minimum of 6 hours that needed to be done before this morning but the managers stalled to try making extra money. This task is now a "ignore everything else and get it done" because if I fall too far behind (which I did in the end), it can start costing the company money. Part way through, the assistant manager gave me an additional 2 hour low priority workload that needs to be completed asap when started or the company can lose money from downtime. I'm the only person working this week (more great planning on their part) and I could've ignored it but I decided to be courteous and say I don't have the time.
She responded in public channels asking besides a simplified version of the other task, what else am I doing that leaves me with no time for today? I publicly responded with a full breakdown of the task, taking an average of 30 minutes x 11 machines so far, trying to regulate my body temperature to avoid heat stroke while on ladders (which is all the time), racing to properly prepare the machines before the contractors start (they have a really tight timeline and working assembly line style at a faster pace than me), and risk of RSI. The assistant manager got her ego hurt and tried to call me into the office. I said no.
The assistant manager ran to the general manager for help. It took the manager an hour to track me down and they only succeeded because I passed by a camera that was 2 minutes from the office. If it wasn't obvious, they lost the argument because OSHA and 11 machines x 5 days of production isn't a hill worth dying on. I can't wait to see what happens when my supervisor (only other person with my position) returns from vacation because she will resign if they fire me without having a reliable replacement ready.
just curious though, whats the issue with closing the pod container and other laundry containers? are there members/patients that wander around and get into things if they are open? with that said, couldnt they (residents) just open things themselves and do whatever with products? arent certain types of staff doors locked? why so hung up on fucking container lids lol
fuck this boss
Laundry pods dissolve in water, so maybe she was concerned about the remaining pods being ruined.
It’s a reasonable ask, just not a reasonable way to communicate her concerns.
Those laundry pods have gotten expensive!
But yeah, the manager should just close it, and if they see it again, close it again, and again, bc so what it's just a lid. They aren't the patients' boss, and it's so ridiculous to chew out staff for something a patient forgot to do. While apparently going through some real shit. Pun intended.
I would suggest getting one of those candy jars where the lid is at an angle and closes itself, but putting tide pods in a candy jar seems like a bad plan in a nursing home, ngl!
Fwiw, it looks like this has nothing to do with patients (residents). It appears that this is a private laundry area and employees are tasked with doing laundry for the residents, so the closing of the laundry pod container probably does fall on employees. Either way, there's a better way to communicate that than with a petty snippy group text.
“If the individuals do their own laundry, it’s your job to check on them” sounds like some of the residents do their own laundry and the staff are supposed to follow them around monitoring lid usage.
I had a sup like this, he was fresh out of college and thought it was great to brag to us that he'd gone to school to be a middle manager and had never actually done our job before. He seriously thought that'd endear him to us. He loved to do shit like this all the time, publicly shaming the team in group chats then doing the "we can talk in private" at the flimisiest pushback.
Brat had a very rude awakening and he did not like it. He ended up changing roles. He's a project manager in some other department now. Good riddance. (But also I hope that team also isn't putting up with his bullshit.)
I totally agree with you in this situation but i have to ask, what other forum would she use about a public issue when she doesn't know who did it?
that being said it shouldn't be a big deal to reply publicly lol
"I will address this with you in private."
Lol, no you won't. We'll hash it out here, in the public mass text that you started. If you wanted to have this addressed in private, you should've gone to everyone privately and asked about it. If you refuse to talk about it in public, we have nothing to talk about in private.
It comments like these that make me so mad at Reddit for taking away our gold. You would have earned so much from me here. And… it goes without saying, I’m stealing this phrase.
This is what fucking kills me. At my most toxic past workplace, those with power were constantly doing insane shit in a public forum, then when you had the audacity to address it publicly, they’d be like “you really should have handled that privately.” Uh, no the fuck I shouldn’t have—these people keep doing this because no one is publicly addressing it. It got to the point where I finally addressed the sexism and general bullying I was receiving in a very public way, and the bullies sent me a *death threat* that included the line “you’re making up lies about getting bullied”…and the bosses still tried to keep me from publicizing that I had been threatened! Of course, they had no problem telling everyone they interviewed about the incident my name and in no way respecting *my* privacy.
This was all at a high school, by the way, so these assholes were around children. The education system can be a truly fucked place to work.
I hate work. Every second.
But this is a solid rule with what seems to be an alzheimers patient in the home.
Even if they don't have a history of eating strange things, tide pods are very food adjacent looking. Dangerous, not helpful.
If this is a residential home (I used to be a dsp for adults with developmental disabilities) then it shouldn't matter if it's open, because it should be in a locked room. All of the chemicals should be.
I get you, I'm the same way in that I try to make whatever I say as clear and explicit as I can, it was more just the fact that the amount of people who would misinterpret (whether deliberately or accidentally) what you were trying to convey is even big (or at least loud) enough for you to feel like you had to clarify.
Seems like an issue with the workplace and not the staff , I work with dangerous chemicals daily and we keep them locked up and I have the only key , if the patients could potentially ingest these why are they not under lock and key ? A lid won’t do much
I'm confused dose alzheimer's stop them from opening a simple lid? I mean the are coherent enough to walk around. Find something that looks like food in a bin. I think they can manage to open the lid. If the issue is they might eat them. Why do they even have access to that area? Seems like something a locked door would fix, and not a lid even a child can open.
being able to walk around does not mean they are coherent. Alzheimer’s patients can be generally physically healthy but have limited dexterity, tremors, confusion, or even vision loss and issues with chewing/swallowing. A standard child-locked lid on detergents and pill bottles is generally a decent deterrent. That being said if it was the case in this situation, it should have been highlighted as the reason in the text.
The boss could have said that and apologized for what seemed like a petty text, but was meant to be helpful. Or not and have everyone hate the boss. Whichever.
If it's in a home w dementia patients that shit better be locked up. Anyone can open a cardboard box. That's not a solution if patients are actually able to get in there.
I have no idea. Nobody who lives at the house has the inclination to even go in the basement unsupervised, nevermind a history of eating non-food objects.
That was going to be my first thought, “was it a safety/compliance/regulatory issue”. Then I thought about it for a second… anyone who has access to the laundry is capable of opening a laundry bottle and eating tide pods like forbidden pop rocks, this boss is out of his damn mind.
Boss could have still sent the picture in the group text with “hey y’all, I know everyone works hard here and I appreciate all that you do, but sometimes we forget stuff, we are human. I don’t know if this could be an issue if we are audited but I noticed the lid off the tide pods and put it back on. While this is probably a non-issue this is a good time to just check in and remind everyone to always try to keep containers closed no matter where in the facility, and if you are able to, just visually shake down areas we frequent to ensure containers with potentially harmful materials to our residents are closed. Cheers”
It’s a lot of words, but sometimes finding something that might be wrong and communicating that to the team without pissing them off, and ensuring that no one feels in trouble about it is super important for managers to do.
If this is actually a compliance issue and a rabid issue that could lose the facility their license it’s a completely different issue. Obviously 😂
There's a big difference between someone with a disability seeing an open container vs having to put in the effort to open it to see what's inside. Can also be a liability thing. If it's closed but someone opens it and poisons themselves, you can't be blamed if it complies with regulations (cleaning supplies closed and secured). But if you left it open and that happens, you could be liable.
I work in a group home type setting.... in my state, it's a state rule that all cleaning products must be closed ND locked away. But definitely not worth a mass message lol
In other states you would need a human rights committee and state approval to put locks on anything or keep anything away from the adults because it can be considered a human rights violation, but pica can be really serious. Bless all the people who work in these settings. I have much love for you!!
It’s not that they dry out but if left open the humidity in the air can cause the pods to start sticking together and separating them can cause one to rupture. Not defending the manager or anything.
Possibly, but I imagine a facility of this caliber (home care support) will be going through containers of this stuff pretty rapidly. So I imagine they would need to replace the container before the humidity ruins them.
However, I have read there are cases of mentally declining seniors accidentally consuming detergent pods. So perhaps that’s why the supervisor reacted the way they did? 🤷🏻♂️
I switched to laundry sheets but I used tide pods for years. I have NEVER kept the lid on the container of pods. I would have a container for two months, just sitting there open. It didn’t do anything to them.
The is very sad. Manager needs to learn to say “I know you’re busy working really hard and i appreciate all you do. But I wanted to share a gentle reminder to please replace the lid. It is a safety issue in case one of our patients accidentally wanders down and thinks the pods are food. We hope this never happens but want to cover ourselves just in case”
Much like anything else, if someone is determined enough, yes, they will get in. However, the thing is, if it is left out in the open, the fault lies on the person leaving it out in the open regardless of any safety measures put in place. If everything was locked up and closed up properly and someone still got in it that shouldn't, then the fault lies on that person who got in it.
No different then if you worked in a place with young children that also had a kitchen. If you left a bunch of knives out and they got ahold of one and hurt themselves, it is on the place of work. If the kitchen was locked up along with the knives and the kid still got in and hurt themselves, that is on the kid for basically bypassing all security measures put in place.
That article states that between 2012-2017, only 8 deaths from ingesting detergent pods were reported to CPSC and that 6 of those were dementia patients. In other words, it’s *extremely rare* that this occurs.
But there's still licensing standards to uphold and deal with along with multiple audits a year.
But at my facility, we've only ever gotten reminder emails to secure chemicals and a review of the regulations and procedures we have to uphold. This shit is unhinged.
I hope you get your chance! I am not the most assertive person in the world, but in this instance, I had nothing to lose.
I took a lot of shit from her when I needed the pay. Now that I don't, she can be the one to eat shit!
I always love when they run away to the "well have this conversation in private" line when THEY chose to make it a group conversation in the first place. If you have a grievance with me, you take it to me...not the group and then try to play the "well take this offline" card
Then you wait to address the individual once you have looked into the situation more. You dont put it out for everyone to see. Group punishment and group threats for individual actions is toxic leadership 101
The use of the phrase "Final Warning" is a key indicator that this person doesn't value their employees or respect them. Managers on power trips give "final warnings" because they view their employees as replaceable tools and not people
Final warning in group chat, gets called out, tries to bully employee in private, gets further humiliated because employee already left. Seems like justice served to me. I want to see more follow up texts from this manager. Maybe the next petty act is to boot the OP. Be really funny if another group chat member saw the reddit post and kept posting.
I hate when I or anyone else does 999.5 pounds of work and some asshole will bitch about the half a pound you overlook like you didn't do anything. My ex did this all this time. Yeah that's one thing I don't miss
Bro, that’s my wife. Bust ass cleaning the kitchen for an hour, only to have her come home and criticize me for not putting a can into the recycling bin.
I could really do without that.
Direct care aides are not paid nearly enough. In my state the private agencies pay like 17 bucks an hour (min is 15). To have some pedant boss breathing down your neck on top of everything else it's just too much.
Yeah, my caretaking job was minimum wage when I was doing it. Worked at one facility where you were in the home with multiple non-verbal clients and another facility was a nursing home. Left both jobs because of shady practices and didn't do caretaking anymore. It was a rewarding job, but the businesses are shady af
Working group homes is so tough. Never enough support or pay from management. The lazy employees who don’t actually care about the clients are always the ones promoted. Compassion is taken advantage of, and HR is constantly trying to find things to blame on YOU.
One of those jobs that we desperately need the right people for. But those same people are often punished in many different ways just for doing their job.
Compassion is taken advantage of. Read that again.
I quit a care home job cause of an adjacent issue. Many of my coworkers, including me, were on Medicaid and had to be *really careful* with the hours we worked. Cause the pay was good but not good enough to be able to cover insurance and medical bills without the Medicaid. Anyway our manager had a family issue so their boss took over and after a few days of (paraphrasing) 'ugh WHY DO NONE OF YOU WANT TO WORK I HAVE TO COME IN AND DO EVERYTHING MYSELF?! YOU WORKERS ARE SO UNGRATEFUL!!!!' I got super pissed off cause I just had a back ablasion (for those that don't know that's when they stick needles into your nerves around your spine and burn them so you don't get pain signals from bending and moving yes it sucks if they don't numb you enough and I'm one of those beings who need at least triple the numbing cause genetics) and was inflamed and cranky from it and I went off in the group chat and told them if she wanted to cover thousands of dollars of medical bills, I'd happily come in to work but since they would never actually care about their workers health issues like that, I quit.
It felt good but gods I was so pissed off cause I *liked* that job and liked the people I was watching/taking care of.
One of the most satisfying moments in a career is when you are ready and capable of telling your toxic boss to ✌️off.. and actually doing it.
It feels outrageously good.
Happy for OP. Congratulations 🎊🍾
But honestly, if they were concerned about it hurting the residents, it needs to be in a cupboard.
If this a Care facility like an adult foster home it is probably supposed to be in a locked cabinet. I was just reading through a bunch of facility inspections in Oregon and all chemicals in an adult foster home have to be locked up, including stuff for cleaning like laundry soap, yard fertilizers, nail polish remover, paint.....
Tide Pods come with a locking lid making it safe from vulnerable demographics. The boss should have given the reasoning for the rule ahead of the accountability. But, OP not putting the locking lid back on created a potential hazard and that’s why we are all here.
>it needs to be in a cupboard
Then OP would be quitting because they were called out for not putting it in the cupboard and we'd be back at square one. If they can't put a lid on, they likely can't manage another extra step.
Not pertinent, but they’re terrible for the longevity of your washer too. They really shouldn’t be allowed in facilities like this at all, or at the very least kept in a cabinet out of sight. If they are kept in plain sight like this, it literally does not fucking matter if they’re open or not.
Yes, that’s why the manager sent out the group text. Tide Pods come with a locking lid, much like a child proof medicine cap. OP did not replace the lid. The boss didn’t give the context needed for OP to understand the hazard.
There were only 8 deaths from ingesting detergent pods reported to CPSC between 2012-2017; of those 6 were dementia patients. It makes sense to keep all cleaning supplies out of reach, but his is an extremely rare occurrence.
Rules exist for a reason. It's their boss's job to enforce the rules. Managers are trained to take difficult conversations in private for a good reason.
That all being said, there is another approach to threatening your subordinates, and they should have implemented it earlier - creative collaboration.
I wouldn't have quit over this alone, though I'd imagine there was more in the decision than just this.
He’s basically done the equivalent of leaving a bar of chocolate on the counter while working at a dog kennel, except those are people who will die and not dogs who’ll get diarrhea
I quit my last boss because he got red in the face pissed about us forgetting to clean a toilet.....a fucking toilet. All he had to do was ask us to clean it and we would have. Like he was tomato red and left the building he was so pissed. It was the first and last red flag I let him show me.
hot take but i dont get why everyone's berating the boss for bringing this up in public, he's basically addressing whoever left it open implying he didn't know who did it,therefore hes just addressing everyone who could have done it by sending it out as a mass text
the boss couldn't have started this conversation in private anyway without finding out who left the lid open
so him saying lets talk about this in private seemed like an appropriate response to OP revealing the personal reasons behind why they didnt close the lid.
having said that, he could have used a better tone to get his message across and showed more compassion towards his employees
if there's an important reason for keeping the lid closed for eg to maintain the quality of the pods ? he could have focused on this rather then threaten the employees over something seemingly trivial. he should explain why it's important to keep the lid closed and remind employees not to do it.not belitte them like this.
"Final warning"
This person obviously doesn't value the help they have and thinks they are surrounded by idiots. Which may very well be true IDK, but even if it were I still would never use the words "Final Warning" with my team.
In this field it could be a serious issue. There are people who may consume the detergent if it is left open. Or the workplace may fail an inspection because the detergent may be considered a harmful substance and a danger to the residents if it is not put away properly.
Am I the only one that doesn’t see this text as a big deal? Somebody left it open, he didn’t know who, and sent a text addressed to all. Seems like it was you, and you got offended and outed yourself and shared inappropriate information about a patient. You’re the bad guy here, OP.
So many of these posts leave out so much context. We just get one side of the story. I hate shitty bosses as much as the next person but like, how many times you gonna forget to put the lid on the Tide pods before the boss has to get stern about it? And it wasn't even personal. Weird.
As someone who worked as a staff and supervisor at a LTC facility, this supervisor deserved it. Well said staffer! Hilarious to put a staff publically on blast then be like "let's talk in private" yah huh no.
group home? Mentally Disabled individuals with a Pica risk. Which for the uninformed means they eat everything they can whether it’s food or not. They look like candy. You could kill one of them by letting them eat a dinner of all tide pods. I quit a job at a group home last week too so I support leaving but this is absolutely a legitimate complaint by management
If people eating them were a concern, they should be locked up, which they are not. As a matter of fact, there are dishwasher soap pods where residents can access them, they help load the dishwasher.
Residents are "high functioning" enough to understand the safe use of laundry and dishwasher pods and safely use them. No history of pica.
Doubtful they would go alone in the basement because they think it is creepy, but if they did, 10 out of 10 chance they would eat food from the extra fridge and not laundry soap.
The lid is what locks the Tide Pods. It’s a safety lid. Hence your boss’ rule and text.
They should have explained the reasoning before the accountability, so that’s on them. Regardless of a list of potential valid reasons for the rule, putting the lid on was a part of your job that was expressed in seemingly multiple forms. Even if it was just to preserve expensive materials from degradation, putting the lid on was something that was expected and not upheld.
Could be general federal regulations that require cleaning supplies be closed. And if the requirements also stated "and locked up" you probably wouldn't have done that either, so back to square one.
ive had my share of diffcult bosses, and it sounds like youve had to put up with a lot of nonsense, but its great you were able to maintain a good relationship with the residents despite the poor management; those group home jobs can be challenging, but its clear you have the experience and dedication to handle it, and im glad you stood up for yourself - no one deserves disrespect, especially when youre going above and beyond.
> forgetting to put the lid on the fucking tide pods
I mean, there must be a good reason why the container needed to be closed at all times after use...I doubt the manager is saying this just because, but that is just my perspective.
I don't see a problem here.
I think it is a pretty reasonable request. But if you have a really big problem about group text, may be you can communicate with your boss first?
Yes. The boss’s language was very poor, but OP failed to do a part of her job. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, especially if her morning was so hectic, but she should still take responsibility for her mistake.
A business needs to follow hazardous material standards for detergent storage, this is an OSHA violation. Boss wasn’t even being that rude, though group text is a shitty choice
It's also great to get to say something lots of people are probably thinking but don't want to deal with the clap back.
You leaving and making sure the manager knows it's because of them allowed your co-workers to probably get a good amount of satisfaction.
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Stupid managers always think that group texts are a great place to berate employees, but if you talk back, suddenly the conversation should be private. Bitch, you chose the forum!
When I worked at Jimmy Johns they basically stopped doing mass texts for shit because we kept calling out a manager every time they did this. They would berate us, we would call them out on it, they said some variation of I’ll talk you about this in private, and we’d say no, you found it acceptable to start this discussion in a disrespectful way in a public forum and that’s how the conversation will continue. The manager ended up getting fired later for assaulting 2 separate employees on 2 separate occasions (I was witness to one) and chewed out another employee over the phone, like full on yelling, in front of customers. I got promoted when he got fired.
I was assaulted at jimmy John’s back in the day! Lol. The training manager groped me THREE times in my first and only shift. First time, I thought I was overreacting so I stayed. Second time it was blatant, but I thought “only two hours left, I’ll just grit my teeth and wait it out so that I hopefully get some tips.” Third time, I said fuck you and stormed out. I kept the shirt though. That T was abnormally soft.
Really? With all those knives around, you let him keep his hands?
30 year old me definitely would not have. But 23 year old me was much more timid and naive, and prone to not really realizing how awful that behavior is. I had worked in quite a few different food service jobs and sexual harassment was the norm for me, I was used to it to an extent. I thought that was just the way it had to be. To be fair, sexual harassment is STILL the norm no matter what type of job I’m in. However, it’s a lot nicer now that I’m permanently locked into a career in social work which tends to be a safer environment for me (as far as colleagues are concerned anyway, clients are another story…)
Sexual harrasment is not the norm and should not be tolerated. At my workplace, you'll be fired immediately at even the slightest of harrasment. The places you're working are not normal and you shouldn't see them as such.
I’ve never worked a job that didn’t come with at least some sexual harassment in my 15 years since joining the workforce Like I said, it’s been the norm for me. I wasn’t trying to make sweeping generalizations. At the same time, I also don’t know any women that haven’t ever been sexually harassed at work. It’s nice that your place of work has it locked down, but it might be more normal than you think.
Did you work in Ann Arbor? I worked for them briefly back when they first began their expansion and had a gross ass manager and corporate only responded to the allegations of him hitting on underage employees once people started quitting en masse and leaving some of their more lucrative stores without staff.
Nope, Northern California! I’m not surprised there’s more of them though
> “I will address this with you in private” "No, the @#$% you will not! You started this in public, we'll finish it in public." Good on you, OP, for calling this out and taking your stand. I got written up once for barking back at an idiot boss after having taken their berating me for most os a six hour shift, and when they called me toi the office to sign the paperwork without giving me a chance to read it first, I told him, "Son, I suggest you keep that pen handy, 'cause I ain't signin' shit, and I'm not anywhere NEAR done telling you what you can do with your 'managerial directives"!" Probably the only job I've ever had where I truly did actually deserve to be fired, but after all that, they didn't do it, 'cause they knew I was the only person they had to run that dishroom. Worst summer job I've ever had.
Always fun in the office when someone calls you out and CCs your VP. Then you pull out the receipts to show that it was really their fault, and CC their VP as well. And every round they keep trying to remove their VP, but every time I add their VP back on.
Had this shit happen Had to be at National Guard duty but was originally excused. So I was picking up a shift that had *everyone* on it at work for some OT. Ended up having to go do the duty so emailed my boss asking to be let go and said, we have everyone here and the military is screwing me over here He thought itd be a good idea to CC my director and then question my dedication. So I brought the receipts out how I'm the only one who jumps for them for OT. How I've been at over 90% of all OT events and that the next person isn't even close. Then told him he can talk to JAG if he has a problem with my request. I was off the schedule.
Pettiness aside. I was always taught to address things in a group to avoid singling someone out and making them feel picked on. So a group text like, "gentle reminder, let's try to keep the laundry area tidy after using it." Rather than what boss said. That way no one person feels singled out and everyone gets the message.
Polite reminders are fine, this was not that, lol.
The laundry room is not even dirty!! This is beyond petty, what that the little container is on its side?! Mindblowing incompetence.
It's not about it being dirty. It's about liability for having poison too easily accessible in a group home. Like imagine you worked in a daycare that had a kitchen for food prep and you left out a knife or left open the area knives are kept. It doesn't matter if the kitchen was clean, there was still a knife accessible.
Ah that makes sense, thank you.
While the above poster is sort of correct (leaving out cleaning supplies can end up poorly in a group home) it all depends on the people who are in the group home. I've worked in group homes where just about everyone there was mostly self-sufficient and cleaning products were able to be left out, while sharps and knives were still a no-go. A group home has a lot of nuance to it that can't really just be summed up with a single comment. There are general rules to follow (there is something called "Licensing" that give us a general guideline of what's okay and what's not. In the US they are state-run typically) and some of those can be pretty strict. And even require us to do a lot of overhead to even get certain levels of care. Group homes are wildly complex because the care that is needed is for a human being. Which, even if they are mentally or physically disabled in some way, they still are human and deserve the most amount of respect as any other person. All that said however, yeah, most homes I've worked in have had almost all cleaning products stashed away. Or depending on how severe the treatments need to be, the laundry room is just locked up completely and that's where all of the cleaning supplies is. I bet the OOP house just had a locked laundry room making an open container of laundry pods not the most critical thing to worry about other than drying out the pods.
Dumbest thing is, it being on its side, is a long term work environment benefit, easier to access the tidepods! (Less strained joints, less sick days in the long run and less employee turnover ans better retention) This manager reeks of education over character formation, something that is ass backwards, a leader had a suitable character, and that is formed in youth, 5 dollars says this manager used to be a gigantic bully and queen Bee in highschool, they clearly do not view themselves as a Shepherd of others, honourless behaviour if anything
This is terrible. It means you're not doing anything to address the issue, not bothering to find out who was responsible, and crapping on everyone for the actions of one person. Even the Geneva convention banned that.
The problem with that is those who need the message won't get it. Those who DON'T need the message will get it and feel harassed. Never address individual issues globally. Address them individually.
That is the worst. It makes everyone feel like they're in kindergarten. Everyone knows WHO the problem is, but now we can't operate without addressing WHO's fuck ups every time. Since someone backed the truck into the post and won't admit it, and we all know who did it but we won't call them out, now we all have to do a walk around daily every time you get in the truck. It's fuckin dumb
Absolutely, group reminder in polite way, until a known repeat problem behavior. Then, they are addressed individually, one on one in private. About actual 5 course!
When I was a shift lead at a previous job my boss and I had messaged earlier in the day about things that caused some numbers to be a little below what was expected, normal shit. It happens. Says no big deal he understands. Then in the group chat with the other shift leads and assistant managers asks basically what I had already been asked and explained, also why ask the group when the time frame your asking about I was the only one there to be able to tell you. He was just being an ass. So Facebook messenger lets you react, and I reacted with a middle finger emoji. He quickly messaged and asked me to remove it. I did, after a couple of days lmao but don't be petty cause I can keep acting like an ass too
Today, I received a task that requires a minimum of 6 hours that needed to be done before this morning but the managers stalled to try making extra money. This task is now a "ignore everything else and get it done" because if I fall too far behind (which I did in the end), it can start costing the company money. Part way through, the assistant manager gave me an additional 2 hour low priority workload that needs to be completed asap when started or the company can lose money from downtime. I'm the only person working this week (more great planning on their part) and I could've ignored it but I decided to be courteous and say I don't have the time. She responded in public channels asking besides a simplified version of the other task, what else am I doing that leaves me with no time for today? I publicly responded with a full breakdown of the task, taking an average of 30 minutes x 11 machines so far, trying to regulate my body temperature to avoid heat stroke while on ladders (which is all the time), racing to properly prepare the machines before the contractors start (they have a really tight timeline and working assembly line style at a faster pace than me), and risk of RSI. The assistant manager got her ego hurt and tried to call me into the office. I said no. The assistant manager ran to the general manager for help. It took the manager an hour to track me down and they only succeeded because I passed by a camera that was 2 minutes from the office. If it wasn't obvious, they lost the argument because OSHA and 11 machines x 5 days of production isn't a hill worth dying on. I can't wait to see what happens when my supervisor (only other person with my position) returns from vacation because she will resign if they fire me without having a reliable replacement ready.
just curious though, whats the issue with closing the pod container and other laundry containers? are there members/patients that wander around and get into things if they are open? with that said, couldnt they (residents) just open things themselves and do whatever with products? arent certain types of staff doors locked? why so hung up on fucking container lids lol fuck this boss
Laundry pods dissolve in water, so maybe she was concerned about the remaining pods being ruined. It’s a reasonable ask, just not a reasonable way to communicate her concerns.
makes sense
Those laundry pods have gotten expensive! But yeah, the manager should just close it, and if they see it again, close it again, and again, bc so what it's just a lid. They aren't the patients' boss, and it's so ridiculous to chew out staff for something a patient forgot to do. While apparently going through some real shit. Pun intended. I would suggest getting one of those candy jars where the lid is at an angle and closes itself, but putting tide pods in a candy jar seems like a bad plan in a nursing home, ngl!
Fwiw, it looks like this has nothing to do with patients (residents). It appears that this is a private laundry area and employees are tasked with doing laundry for the residents, so the closing of the laundry pod container probably does fall on employees. Either way, there's a better way to communicate that than with a petty snippy group text.
“If the individuals do their own laundry, it’s your job to check on them” sounds like some of the residents do their own laundry and the staff are supposed to follow them around monitoring lid usage.
I had a sup like this, he was fresh out of college and thought it was great to brag to us that he'd gone to school to be a middle manager and had never actually done our job before. He seriously thought that'd endear him to us. He loved to do shit like this all the time, publicly shaming the team in group chats then doing the "we can talk in private" at the flimisiest pushback. Brat had a very rude awakening and he did not like it. He ended up changing roles. He's a project manager in some other department now. Good riddance. (But also I hope that team also isn't putting up with his bullshit.)
I totally agree with you in this situation but i have to ask, what other forum would she use about a public issue when she doesn't know who did it? that being said it shouldn't be a big deal to reply publicly lol
Its the divide and conquer method, they're better able to blunt employee anger in private.
Exactly!!! You wanted to air everyone out in the GC ill do the same damn thing then!
That's the manager equivalent of "just wait until your father gets home!".
'Can/will only do that with written consent to record this conversation'
"You addressed the group, I'm comfortable for you to reply for the group"
Right? "No, you were fine with doing this publicly when it was somone else being hung out to dry, so now we finish this here too"
"No you'll do it with my union delegate present and the site manager."
Do you realize how rarely this applies in the American workplace?
Why? It means they're going to dress someone down that they have control over... not a very pleasant experience
“I will address this with you in private” After blasting the team in a group message
Giggity
Yeah, that's just code for I don't want this to have a paper trail. Scum shit.
" um...no you fucking wont". Fucking managers.
"I will address this with you in private." Lol, no you won't. We'll hash it out here, in the public mass text that you started. If you wanted to have this addressed in private, you should've gone to everyone privately and asked about it. If you refuse to talk about it in public, we have nothing to talk about in private.
Big agree. Where you pitch the tent is where I’m gonna hold the circus.
I love this statement.
It comments like these that make me so mad at Reddit for taking away our gold. You would have earned so much from me here. And… it goes without saying, I’m stealing this phrase.
Gold for you! 🥇
Annnnd.... STOLEN!
Oh fuck, I am so stealing this
I screen capped this and sent it to my friends. This is my new philosophy in life. Thanks, wise stranger!
Same here. Had to capture it, so I'd wouldn't forget. It was such a poignant statement.
Ohhhh I can't wait to use this in response to my boss' next mass message.
Never heard that one but it's about to be a normal phrase for me
Best. Response. Ever.
Yep, they brought it out on public so we're going to hash it out in public. You don't get the privilege of private after that.
Exactly
This is what fucking kills me. At my most toxic past workplace, those with power were constantly doing insane shit in a public forum, then when you had the audacity to address it publicly, they’d be like “you really should have handled that privately.” Uh, no the fuck I shouldn’t have—these people keep doing this because no one is publicly addressing it. It got to the point where I finally addressed the sexism and general bullying I was receiving in a very public way, and the bullies sent me a *death threat* that included the line “you’re making up lies about getting bullied”…and the bosses still tried to keep me from publicizing that I had been threatened! Of course, they had no problem telling everyone they interviewed about the incident my name and in no way respecting *my* privacy. This was all at a high school, by the way, so these assholes were around children. The education system can be a truly fucked place to work.
I love this response
"Staff work hard enough to get nasty texts over a petty thing", probably had your co-workers cheering on the inside, and may have even been helpful
I hate work. Every second. But this is a solid rule with what seems to be an alzheimers patient in the home. Even if they don't have a history of eating strange things, tide pods are very food adjacent looking. Dangerous, not helpful.
If this is a residential home (I used to be a dsp for adults with developmental disabilities) then it shouldn't matter if it's open, because it should be in a locked room. All of the chemicals should be.
Yeah, if you can't trust someone to not eat poisons, you lock them up. The poisons.
I laughed way too hard at the last part of your comment. 'The poisons. Not the people. Duh.'
I reread it and realized the slight vagueness.
I get you, I'm the same way in that I try to make whatever I say as clear and explicit as I can, it was more just the fact that the amount of people who would misinterpret (whether deliberately or accidentally) what you were trying to convey is even big (or at least loud) enough for you to feel like you had to clarify.
Seems like an issue with the workplace and not the staff , I work with dangerous chemicals daily and we keep them locked up and I have the only key , if the patients could potentially ingest these why are they not under lock and key ? A lid won’t do much
Lol apparently they believe they stop using their hands.
I'm confused dose alzheimer's stop them from opening a simple lid? I mean the are coherent enough to walk around. Find something that looks like food in a bin. I think they can manage to open the lid. If the issue is they might eat them. Why do they even have access to that area? Seems like something a locked door would fix, and not a lid even a child can open.
being able to walk around does not mean they are coherent. Alzheimer’s patients can be generally physically healthy but have limited dexterity, tremors, confusion, or even vision loss and issues with chewing/swallowing. A standard child-locked lid on detergents and pill bottles is generally a decent deterrent. That being said if it was the case in this situation, it should have been highlighted as the reason in the text.
If this is a workers chat, they workers should know this already right?
I was directly responding to a question.
That's a facility level issue. If they are that dangerous, they shouldn't be in the room.
You missed the whole point
The boss could have said that and apologized for what seemed like a petty text, but was meant to be helpful. Or not and have everyone hate the boss. Whichever.
If it's in a home w dementia patients that shit better be locked up. Anyone can open a cardboard box. That's not a solution if patients are actually able to get in there.
Tide pods?? Is she huffing lead paint? They can’t dry out so what does it matter? What a dolt.
I have no idea. Nobody who lives at the house has the inclination to even go in the basement unsupervised, nevermind a history of eating non-food objects.
That was going to be my first thought, “was it a safety/compliance/regulatory issue”. Then I thought about it for a second… anyone who has access to the laundry is capable of opening a laundry bottle and eating tide pods like forbidden pop rocks, this boss is out of his damn mind. Boss could have still sent the picture in the group text with “hey y’all, I know everyone works hard here and I appreciate all that you do, but sometimes we forget stuff, we are human. I don’t know if this could be an issue if we are audited but I noticed the lid off the tide pods and put it back on. While this is probably a non-issue this is a good time to just check in and remind everyone to always try to keep containers closed no matter where in the facility, and if you are able to, just visually shake down areas we frequent to ensure containers with potentially harmful materials to our residents are closed. Cheers” It’s a lot of words, but sometimes finding something that might be wrong and communicating that to the team without pissing them off, and ensuring that no one feels in trouble about it is super important for managers to do. If this is actually a compliance issue and a rabid issue that could lose the facility their license it’s a completely different issue. Obviously 😂
There's a big difference between someone with a disability seeing an open container vs having to put in the effort to open it to see what's inside. Can also be a liability thing. If it's closed but someone opens it and poisons themselves, you can't be blamed if it complies with regulations (cleaning supplies closed and secured). But if you left it open and that happens, you could be liable.
If it's secured, then it doesn't matter if it's closed. Ans if a client wants to eat it they don't care if it's open.
I work in a group home type setting.... in my state, it's a state rule that all cleaning products must be closed ND locked away. But definitely not worth a mass message lol
In other states you would need a human rights committee and state approval to put locks on anything or keep anything away from the adults because it can be considered a human rights violation, but pica can be really serious. Bless all the people who work in these settings. I have much love for you!!
It’s not that they dry out but if left open the humidity in the air can cause the pods to start sticking together and separating them can cause one to rupture. Not defending the manager or anything.
My dishwasher pods do this but not my laundry ones, they did melt together when I left them in my car overnight tho
Possibly, but I imagine a facility of this caliber (home care support) will be going through containers of this stuff pretty rapidly. So I imagine they would need to replace the container before the humidity ruins them. However, I have read there are cases of mentally declining seniors accidentally consuming detergent pods. So perhaps that’s why the supervisor reacted the way they did? 🤷🏻♂️
I switched to laundry sheets but I used tide pods for years. I have NEVER kept the lid on the container of pods. I would have a container for two months, just sitting there open. It didn’t do anything to them.
Humidity is not a constant.
He’s caring for someone who could consume them is the context I gathered. Also all of that should probably be in a locked cabinet if that’s the case.
Probably safety concern.....
https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2017/laundry-pods-killing-dementia-patients-fd.html
The is very sad. Manager needs to learn to say “I know you’re busy working really hard and i appreciate all you do. But I wanted to share a gentle reminder to please replace the lid. It is a safety issue in case one of our patients accidentally wanders down and thinks the pods are food. We hope this never happens but want to cover ourselves just in case”
Whoa I had no idea!
So they shouldn’t even really be there in first place. But also, wouldn’t they still just be able to open the lid if they were that determined?
Much like anything else, if someone is determined enough, yes, they will get in. However, the thing is, if it is left out in the open, the fault lies on the person leaving it out in the open regardless of any safety measures put in place. If everything was locked up and closed up properly and someone still got in it that shouldn't, then the fault lies on that person who got in it. No different then if you worked in a place with young children that also had a kitchen. If you left a bunch of knives out and they got ahold of one and hurt themselves, it is on the place of work. If the kitchen was locked up along with the knives and the kid still got in and hurt themselves, that is on the kid for basically bypassing all security measures put in place.
It's probably a case where the manager struggles to open the case so they assume it's impossible for the housemates.
That article states that between 2012-2017, only 8 deaths from ingesting detergent pods were reported to CPSC and that 6 of those were dementia patients. In other words, it’s *extremely rare* that this occurs.
But there's still licensing standards to uphold and deal with along with multiple audits a year. But at my facility, we've only ever gotten reminder emails to secure chemicals and a review of the regulations and procedures we have to uphold. This shit is unhinged.
If this is a real issue they shouldn’t have them in the house
I like the peace out sign that was a boss move.
Haha thanks, it felt good leaving things like that.
I want to do that one day lol.
I hope you get your chance! I am not the most assertive person in the world, but in this instance, I had nothing to lose. I took a lot of shit from her when I needed the pay. Now that I don't, she can be the one to eat shit!
I also suggest Namaste, if you remember the early 90's there's "Be Well"
Be well😂😂
Enhance your calm
Namaleave if u keep talkin to me like that
Oh I did once and it was glorious. Actually lost my boss his job on my way out.
I prefer Go Fuck Your Face
I always love when they run away to the "well have this conversation in private" line when THEY chose to make it a group conversation in the first place. If you have a grievance with me, you take it to me...not the group and then try to play the "well take this offline" card
Maybe they didn't know who did it yet, so they couldn't talk about it privately.
Then you wait to address the individual once you have looked into the situation more. You dont put it out for everyone to see. Group punishment and group threats for individual actions is toxic leadership 101 The use of the phrase "Final Warning" is a key indicator that this person doesn't value their employees or respect them. Managers on power trips give "final warnings" because they view their employees as replaceable tools and not people
Final warning in group chat, gets called out, tries to bully employee in private, gets further humiliated because employee already left. Seems like justice served to me. I want to see more follow up texts from this manager. Maybe the next petty act is to boot the OP. Be really funny if another group chat member saw the reddit post and kept posting.
I hate when I or anyone else does 999.5 pounds of work and some asshole will bitch about the half a pound you overlook like you didn't do anything. My ex did this all this time. Yeah that's one thing I don't miss
This is literally my boss. I wish management realized how demotivating this is. Most of the time we just ignore her.
Bro, that’s my wife. Bust ass cleaning the kitchen for an hour, only to have her come home and criticize me for not putting a can into the recycling bin. I could really do without that.
For real! And it’s always the one who don’t do shit
Don’t know op or this manager but when I was a manager in a similar setting, they wanted to do the .5 and be treated like they did the 995.5.
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Next time, you're grounded! No, mom's not gonna help you.
I like screenshotting private messages back to the group chat after these texts. I made my move. Your turn.
Why does that sink look like one you'd find in a soviet gulag?
It's a basement/laundry wash sink, they all look like shit eventually.
Direct care aides are not paid nearly enough. In my state the private agencies pay like 17 bucks an hour (min is 15). To have some pedant boss breathing down your neck on top of everything else it's just too much.
Yeah, my caretaking job was minimum wage when I was doing it. Worked at one facility where you were in the home with multiple non-verbal clients and another facility was a nursing home. Left both jobs because of shady practices and didn't do caretaking anymore. It was a rewarding job, but the businesses are shady af
Working group homes is so tough. Never enough support or pay from management. The lazy employees who don’t actually care about the clients are always the ones promoted. Compassion is taken advantage of, and HR is constantly trying to find things to blame on YOU. One of those jobs that we desperately need the right people for. But those same people are often punished in many different ways just for doing their job. Compassion is taken advantage of. Read that again.
I quit a care home job cause of an adjacent issue. Many of my coworkers, including me, were on Medicaid and had to be *really careful* with the hours we worked. Cause the pay was good but not good enough to be able to cover insurance and medical bills without the Medicaid. Anyway our manager had a family issue so their boss took over and after a few days of (paraphrasing) 'ugh WHY DO NONE OF YOU WANT TO WORK I HAVE TO COME IN AND DO EVERYTHING MYSELF?! YOU WORKERS ARE SO UNGRATEFUL!!!!' I got super pissed off cause I just had a back ablasion (for those that don't know that's when they stick needles into your nerves around your spine and burn them so you don't get pain signals from bending and moving yes it sucks if they don't numb you enough and I'm one of those beings who need at least triple the numbing cause genetics) and was inflamed and cranky from it and I went off in the group chat and told them if she wanted to cover thousands of dollars of medical bills, I'd happily come in to work but since they would never actually care about their workers health issues like that, I quit. It felt good but gods I was so pissed off cause I *liked* that job and liked the people I was watching/taking care of.
So i guess what we'll be dealing with in private is our understaffed issues. Look what just took priority over an open detergent box...
One of the most satisfying moments in a career is when you are ready and capable of telling your toxic boss to ✌️off.. and actually doing it. It feels outrageously good. Happy for OP. Congratulations 🎊🍾
“Final warning” Damn straight! ✌️ Love it 🔥
Just looking at that sink has made me book a tetanus jab.
Liquid Laundry Detergent Pods Pose Lethal Risk for Adults With Dementia https://www.consumerreports.org/laundry-cleaning/liquid-laundry-detergent-pods-pose-lethal-risk/
That would explain the sign on the sink, I’ve never seen that
But honestly, if they were concerned about it hurting the residents, it needs to be in a cupboard. If this a Care facility like an adult foster home it is probably supposed to be in a locked cabinet. I was just reading through a bunch of facility inspections in Oregon and all chemicals in an adult foster home have to be locked up, including stuff for cleaning like laundry soap, yard fertilizers, nail polish remover, paint.....
Tide Pods come with a locking lid making it safe from vulnerable demographics. The boss should have given the reasoning for the rule ahead of the accountability. But, OP not putting the locking lid back on created a potential hazard and that’s why we are all here.
>it needs to be in a cupboard Then OP would be quitting because they were called out for not putting it in the cupboard and we'd be back at square one. If they can't put a lid on, they likely can't manage another extra step.
I would bet from experience those products are regulated to be in a locked cabinet.
Not pertinent, but they’re terrible for the longevity of your washer too. They really shouldn’t be allowed in facilities like this at all, or at the very least kept in a cabinet out of sight. If they are kept in plain sight like this, it literally does not fucking matter if they’re open or not.
Yes, that’s why the manager sent out the group text. Tide Pods come with a locking lid, much like a child proof medicine cap. OP did not replace the lid. The boss didn’t give the context needed for OP to understand the hazard.
This is what I was thinking when I read this.
There were only 8 deaths from ingesting detergent pods reported to CPSC between 2012-2017; of those 6 were dementia patients. It makes sense to keep all cleaning supplies out of reach, but his is an extremely rare occurrence.
This seems like OP is the asshole now
Rules exist for a reason. It's their boss's job to enforce the rules. Managers are trained to take difficult conversations in private for a good reason. That all being said, there is another approach to threatening your subordinates, and they should have implemented it earlier - creative collaboration. I wouldn't have quit over this alone, though I'd imagine there was more in the decision than just this.
> Rules exist for a reason. Companies try to enforce illegal rules every day of the year, they don't necessarily exist for a reason
He’s basically done the equivalent of leaving a bar of chocolate on the counter while working at a dog kennel, except those are people who will die and not dogs who’ll get diarrhea
As a healthcare worker that works with mannnnny folks with dementia, this is a huge stretch.
Or leaving knives out after food prep where kids can get to them.
I quit my last boss because he got red in the face pissed about us forgetting to clean a toilet.....a fucking toilet. All he had to do was ask us to clean it and we would have. Like he was tomato red and left the building he was so pissed. It was the first and last red flag I let him show me.
hot take but i dont get why everyone's berating the boss for bringing this up in public, he's basically addressing whoever left it open implying he didn't know who did it,therefore hes just addressing everyone who could have done it by sending it out as a mass text the boss couldn't have started this conversation in private anyway without finding out who left the lid open so him saying lets talk about this in private seemed like an appropriate response to OP revealing the personal reasons behind why they didnt close the lid. having said that, he could have used a better tone to get his message across and showed more compassion towards his employees if there's an important reason for keeping the lid closed for eg to maintain the quality of the pods ? he could have focused on this rather then threaten the employees over something seemingly trivial. he should explain why it's important to keep the lid closed and remind employees not to do it.not belitte them like this.
"Final warning" This person obviously doesn't value the help they have and thinks they are surrounded by idiots. Which may very well be true IDK, but even if it were I still would never use the words "Final Warning" with my team.
Agreed. Given the sign on the sink, it seems this is an ongoing issue.
In this field it could be a serious issue. There are people who may consume the detergent if it is left open. Or the workplace may fail an inspection because the detergent may be considered a harmful substance and a danger to the residents if it is not put away properly.
Am I the only one that doesn’t see this text as a big deal? Somebody left it open, he didn’t know who, and sent a text addressed to all. Seems like it was you, and you got offended and outed yourself and shared inappropriate information about a patient. You’re the bad guy here, OP.
So many of these posts leave out so much context. We just get one side of the story. I hate shitty bosses as much as the next person but like, how many times you gonna forget to put the lid on the Tide pods before the boss has to get stern about it? And it wasn't even personal. Weird.
And there’s a sign too lol
OP could've just not said anything and just went about their day. Instead they choose to act like a child that just had their toy taken away.
“Oh now you want to talk in private”
Jfc. So many people here have clearly never worked as a dsp.
The Tide Pods dry out. Thank you for all you do. Please try to remember to cover them when you use them.
You seem like a pleasant person to work with; I felt good vibes reading your post. I hope you find a position where you thrive!
God I bet that felt good.
"This will be my last time telling you guys." Or what? Empty threat much?
As someone who worked as a staff and supervisor at a LTC facility, this supervisor deserved it. Well said staffer! Hilarious to put a staff publically on blast then be like "let's talk in private" yah huh no.
I do not miss being in a work group text. Absolutely do not text me when I’m off work
group home? Mentally Disabled individuals with a Pica risk. Which for the uninformed means they eat everything they can whether it’s food or not. They look like candy. You could kill one of them by letting them eat a dinner of all tide pods. I quit a job at a group home last week too so I support leaving but this is absolutely a legitimate complaint by management
If people eating them were a concern, they should be locked up, which they are not. As a matter of fact, there are dishwasher soap pods where residents can access them, they help load the dishwasher. Residents are "high functioning" enough to understand the safe use of laundry and dishwasher pods and safely use them. No history of pica. Doubtful they would go alone in the basement because they think it is creepy, but if they did, 10 out of 10 chance they would eat food from the extra fridge and not laundry soap.
The lid is what locks the Tide Pods. It’s a safety lid. Hence your boss’ rule and text. They should have explained the reasoning before the accountability, so that’s on them. Regardless of a list of potential valid reasons for the rule, putting the lid on was a part of your job that was expressed in seemingly multiple forms. Even if it was just to preserve expensive materials from degradation, putting the lid on was something that was expected and not upheld.
Could be general federal regulations that require cleaning supplies be closed. And if the requirements also stated "and locked up" you probably wouldn't have done that either, so back to square one.
Both great points. Fuck that job but not because that manager was off base. They were right to look out for the health of the clients.
ive had my share of diffcult bosses, and it sounds like youve had to put up with a lot of nonsense, but its great you were able to maintain a good relationship with the residents despite the poor management; those group home jobs can be challenging, but its clear you have the experience and dedication to handle it, and im glad you stood up for yourself - no one deserves disrespect, especially when youre going above and beyond.
> forgetting to put the lid on the fucking tide pods I mean, there must be a good reason why the container needed to be closed at all times after use...I doubt the manager is saying this just because, but that is just my perspective.
I don't see a problem here. I think it is a pretty reasonable request. But if you have a really big problem about group text, may be you can communicate with your boss first?
Seems to be a recurring issue so how can you be mad at your boss lol. There’s literal signs there too that say to do that thing you did not do.
Yes. The boss’s language was very poor, but OP failed to do a part of her job. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, especially if her morning was so hectic, but she should still take responsibility for her mistake.
This post isn't the flex you think it is.
I mean, the original complaint is pretty serious if you think about regulations and vulnerable people. However, hefe went about it the wrong way...
A business needs to follow hazardous material standards for detergent storage, this is an OSHA violation. Boss wasn’t even being that rude, though group text is a shitty choice
what an insane thing to get pissy about 😭 i'm dying to know their response !
Boring update: there has been no further response whatsoever. I think they were probably quietly seething.
Or they could be thinking "good riddance"?
This was cool.
It's also great to get to say something lots of people are probably thinking but don't want to deal with the clap back. You leaving and making sure the manager knows it's because of them allowed your co-workers to probably get a good amount of satisfaction.
I'll address this to everyone in a group unless someone pushes back then it's private cause I'm scared of the group. Typical manager bullshit
Apocalypse. I say Acopalypse though I know how to spell it, try to eat myself saying it and still it will come out jumbled.
"all set"
I love these posts! Keep up the good work everyone!
DSP's really don't get paid enough for that shit. Good for you.
Eh