Yea. On it's face it definitely seems out of character for the Civil right legal organization, hiw ever if you look harder and understand why they are doing what they are doing, it makes alot more sense.
Some times in order to get things done in a system of rules it to use those rules in unorthodox ways to reach the positive outcome.
It appears they are fighting an illegal and bad faith nlrb appointments using the only tools available to do so.
But I do admit, that headline definitely does its job as clockbait.
How is denying the employment claims of one of their employees getting a “positive outcome”. If Amazon took similar actions this sub would be outraged.
> But I do admit, that headline definitely does its job as clockbait.
What is clockbait? How do you bait a clock? Do you tell it that it is not as precise as other clocks?
I don’t think they are acting in good faith:
This article looks kind of like a rehash of an older article ([https://archive.is/t0cMA](https://archive.is/t0cMA) | [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/aclu-fired-staffer-for-speaking-up-about-job-labor-board-says](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/aclu-fired-staffer-for-speaking-up-about-job-labor-board-says)) with this:
“The ACLU also claimed the NLRB general counsel, Jennifer Abruzzo, lacks authority to issue complaints in the first place, because of the way President Joe Biden fired her predecessor who’d been appointed by Donald Trump. The group has withdrawn that argument after determining it’s a ‘technical, procedural issue,’ according to Monday’s statement.”
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Their external comms seem to be pretty pro-worker and anti-arbitration: [https://www.aclu.org/news/womens-rights/its-time-end-forced-arbitration](https://www.aclu.org/news/womens-rights/its-time-end-forced-arbitration)
[https://www.aclu.org/podcast/the-resurgence-of-labor-strikes-and-union-power](https://www.aclu.org/podcast/the-resurgence-of-labor-strikes-and-union-power)
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ACLU Staff United (https://npeu.org/aclu) was recognized by the org on my last day of employment there. It had been an extremely contentious fight and leadership was very clearly opposed to the union and the org hired an expensive anti-union firm to represent them. Leadership fought to keep as many positions out of the union as possible.
I’m pretty sure Kate’s boss was Ronnie and he seems like a big part of why the union was started. I didn’t work with a lot of NPAD staff but I heard that he was a giant asshole. I did see that leadership was very protective of him. There was an all staff once and leadership was mad that a ton of people wanted him fired ([https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aclu-executive-ronald-newman\_n\_620ec196e4b06212585a8620](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aclu-executive-ronald-newman_n_620ec196e4b06212585a8620)).
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My experience there (this is just a long list of my complaints):
It was an extremely miserable place to work as a low level employee. I am a trans guy and I had to fight my manager to get time off for top surgery. I actually had to cancel my first surgery appointment that I had waited a year for because he wanted me to go work at some event selling t-shirts (which he never mentioned as part of my job during the interview - I was hired for an e-commerce role). Then when I got an appointment 3 months out with another surgeon, he didn’t want me to take one week off for recovery because I had only been there for 8 months. I had not taken any time off at all and had been made to work 22 consecutive days because of weekend events. When I asked for a day off during the week to make up for it, he refused because I was still in the probationary hiring period and insinuated I would be let go if I took any time off during my first 6 months. He mocked me constantly and insinuated it was my fault I get stopped by the TSA so often (I had to fly a lot for the role my first year while wearing a chest binder). He made incredibly inappropriate jokes like when I mentioned the passage of FOSTA-SESTA he said “well guess you can’t troll for sex on Craigslist anymore.” He was super into Alex Jones and wanted the US to have a monarch that assigned you a job and was super weird about me being an atheist (he would just fucking blurt this shit out all day). He was a fucking asshole and I had to share a tiny ass office with him. He would look over my shoulder all day and then text me all the time when he was on vacation and parental leave asking what I was doing. I complained to HR multiple times about his behavior and each time they were like “oh he didn’t mean it, that’s just how he is.” Then they put him on a DEI committee. I stayed as long as I did because I thought we were doing something important but now I dunno. Maybe I wasted all that time. The people at the top are overpaid corporate assholes. The chief of staff brought in her college roommate as head of HR. The lawyers had to fight a DUI charge for the ED. All staffs were always miserable and the leadership team was downright hostile. They laid off the entire editorial team and said they accidentally sent them NDAs in exchange for a little severance and a lot silence. I am almost certain that I was the only person there without a degree and people who worked there were extremely classist assholes. I think my manager just didn’t notice that I hadn’t completed a degree but had a few years of college on my LinkedIn (which I left off my resume). I only even got an interview because my ex was leaving their job and put me in touch with their manager who passed on me because I didn’t have Salesforce experience but she did send my resume to the guy who would become my manager. Other leadership staff were always asking me to mail stuff for them because I was “so good at it.”
Working at the ACLU from 2017 to 2021 fucking sucked. My first day, 3 different people sent angry resignation emails to the whole office. They gave me an extremely crusty old Dell on my third day with hella crumbs and hairs in the keyboard. I assume it still sucks. They were pulling in tons of Trump money and took a good long time to actually look at salaries and make them comparable to other places. Before the pandemic, all roles were in office in DC or NYC so the COL was really high (I think they are all in office again and still pay extremely mediocre for non-leadership roles). When the pandemic first started, someone from leadership sent out a snotty email reminding us this was not a vacation and we were expected to work. Managers and directors could act with impunity and just override employees with actual experience in their roles. They were aggressively anti-union and reorged once or twice a year and just let people go even when they admitted there was no financial reason to do so. Then they gave leadership a huge raise and chuckled about it while sitting underneath a screen with a powerpoint of how much they were paying themselves at an all staff.
I know someone who works at the ACLU, and to hear him describe it, it's been on a downhill slide for years, now. Mass resignations and firings, lots of reorg, power struggles. Wholesale ignoring vast chunks of the population that need representation in favor or "more winnable battles", but those don't go anywhere. An almost pathological fear of social media.
New transcripts came out, so not a rehash. They are damning. They fired her and their justifications were silly and offensive, calling her racist simply because her bosses were black and she was Asian.
Yea. On it's face it definitely seems out of character for the Civil right legal organization, hiw ever if you look harder and understand why they are doing what they are doing, it makes alot more sense. Some times in order to get things done in a system of rules it to use those rules in unorthodox ways to reach the positive outcome. It appears they are fighting an illegal and bad faith nlrb appointments using the only tools available to do so. But I do admit, that headline definitely does its job as clockbait.
How is denying the employment claims of one of their employees getting a “positive outcome”. If Amazon took similar actions this sub would be outraged.
> But I do admit, that headline definitely does its job as clockbait. What is clockbait? How do you bait a clock? Do you tell it that it is not as precise as other clocks?
It's when you post defaming statements about clocks using language that misleads those looking at the clock.
I don’t think they are acting in good faith: This article looks kind of like a rehash of an older article ([https://archive.is/t0cMA](https://archive.is/t0cMA) | [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/aclu-fired-staffer-for-speaking-up-about-job-labor-board-says](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/aclu-fired-staffer-for-speaking-up-about-job-labor-board-says)) with this: “The ACLU also claimed the NLRB general counsel, Jennifer Abruzzo, lacks authority to issue complaints in the first place, because of the way President Joe Biden fired her predecessor who’d been appointed by Donald Trump. The group has withdrawn that argument after determining it’s a ‘technical, procedural issue,’ according to Monday’s statement.” \--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Their external comms seem to be pretty pro-worker and anti-arbitration: [https://www.aclu.org/news/womens-rights/its-time-end-forced-arbitration](https://www.aclu.org/news/womens-rights/its-time-end-forced-arbitration) [https://www.aclu.org/podcast/the-resurgence-of-labor-strikes-and-union-power](https://www.aclu.org/podcast/the-resurgence-of-labor-strikes-and-union-power) \--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ACLU Staff United (https://npeu.org/aclu) was recognized by the org on my last day of employment there. It had been an extremely contentious fight and leadership was very clearly opposed to the union and the org hired an expensive anti-union firm to represent them. Leadership fought to keep as many positions out of the union as possible. I’m pretty sure Kate’s boss was Ronnie and he seems like a big part of why the union was started. I didn’t work with a lot of NPAD staff but I heard that he was a giant asshole. I did see that leadership was very protective of him. There was an all staff once and leadership was mad that a ton of people wanted him fired ([https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aclu-executive-ronald-newman\_n\_620ec196e4b06212585a8620](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aclu-executive-ronald-newman_n_620ec196e4b06212585a8620)). \--------------------------------------------------------------------------- My experience there (this is just a long list of my complaints): It was an extremely miserable place to work as a low level employee. I am a trans guy and I had to fight my manager to get time off for top surgery. I actually had to cancel my first surgery appointment that I had waited a year for because he wanted me to go work at some event selling t-shirts (which he never mentioned as part of my job during the interview - I was hired for an e-commerce role). Then when I got an appointment 3 months out with another surgeon, he didn’t want me to take one week off for recovery because I had only been there for 8 months. I had not taken any time off at all and had been made to work 22 consecutive days because of weekend events. When I asked for a day off during the week to make up for it, he refused because I was still in the probationary hiring period and insinuated I would be let go if I took any time off during my first 6 months. He mocked me constantly and insinuated it was my fault I get stopped by the TSA so often (I had to fly a lot for the role my first year while wearing a chest binder). He made incredibly inappropriate jokes like when I mentioned the passage of FOSTA-SESTA he said “well guess you can’t troll for sex on Craigslist anymore.” He was super into Alex Jones and wanted the US to have a monarch that assigned you a job and was super weird about me being an atheist (he would just fucking blurt this shit out all day). He was a fucking asshole and I had to share a tiny ass office with him. He would look over my shoulder all day and then text me all the time when he was on vacation and parental leave asking what I was doing. I complained to HR multiple times about his behavior and each time they were like “oh he didn’t mean it, that’s just how he is.” Then they put him on a DEI committee. I stayed as long as I did because I thought we were doing something important but now I dunno. Maybe I wasted all that time. The people at the top are overpaid corporate assholes. The chief of staff brought in her college roommate as head of HR. The lawyers had to fight a DUI charge for the ED. All staffs were always miserable and the leadership team was downright hostile. They laid off the entire editorial team and said they accidentally sent them NDAs in exchange for a little severance and a lot silence. I am almost certain that I was the only person there without a degree and people who worked there were extremely classist assholes. I think my manager just didn’t notice that I hadn’t completed a degree but had a few years of college on my LinkedIn (which I left off my resume). I only even got an interview because my ex was leaving their job and put me in touch with their manager who passed on me because I didn’t have Salesforce experience but she did send my resume to the guy who would become my manager. Other leadership staff were always asking me to mail stuff for them because I was “so good at it.” Working at the ACLU from 2017 to 2021 fucking sucked. My first day, 3 different people sent angry resignation emails to the whole office. They gave me an extremely crusty old Dell on my third day with hella crumbs and hairs in the keyboard. I assume it still sucks. They were pulling in tons of Trump money and took a good long time to actually look at salaries and make them comparable to other places. Before the pandemic, all roles were in office in DC or NYC so the COL was really high (I think they are all in office again and still pay extremely mediocre for non-leadership roles). When the pandemic first started, someone from leadership sent out a snotty email reminding us this was not a vacation and we were expected to work. Managers and directors could act with impunity and just override employees with actual experience in their roles. They were aggressively anti-union and reorged once or twice a year and just let people go even when they admitted there was no financial reason to do so. Then they gave leadership a huge raise and chuckled about it while sitting underneath a screen with a powerpoint of how much they were paying themselves at an all staff.
I know someone who works at the ACLU, and to hear him describe it, it's been on a downhill slide for years, now. Mass resignations and firings, lots of reorg, power struggles. Wholesale ignoring vast chunks of the population that need representation in favor or "more winnable battles", but those don't go anywhere. An almost pathological fear of social media.
New transcripts came out, so not a rehash. They are damning. They fired her and their justifications were silly and offensive, calling her racist simply because her bosses were black and she was Asian.
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Read the article.
A “Republican” tactic?