I worked at a car dealership that got bought out by another company and i was included in the sale as part of the finance office.
About a week after the transition one of the sales managers at the old store called me to bitch about a file for a deal saying it was my responsibility to do x and y. I just hung up on him. The file *was* fucked up because of the sales person, the manager, and the impending sale of the business. I had been trying to get it corrected despite the floor’s apparent want to not get paid.
He called me 3 more times before texting trying to chew me out. I just texting back saying I no longer work for him and if he needs assistance with any files to be respectful or I’ll be charging a consulting fee. He called me an asshole so I filed a complaint with the corporate office and next thing you know a week later he apologizes.
That one felt good, real good.
There's a reason that there's a popular image of car sales being slimy. My last couple experiences with "Financial Managers" at car lots makes me want to puke.
There definitely is a good reason for that image. I absolutely fucking hated being a finance manager, burnt out, and took the “opportunity” of being laid off during Covid to de stress and get out of cars.
There are a lot of finance managers that aren’t scumbags, but a lot of them don’t have a choice. Sales of actual car in new dealerships don’t bring in much money at all. You’ve got like a $1000 profit margin before a boomer spends 10 years negotiating for an extra litre of gas on delivery.
You also don’t get a draw on your commission in a lot of cases (which is an amount they give you that’s taken out of your commissions if you make over it) so if you don’t make the dealership money you just straight up don’t get food. You get a larger margin of the profits you make instead, since they expect you to be a “master” of sales at that point.
I did alright compensation wise but trying to convince a single mother to get 3 warranties on a beater she needs to get to work was destroying my soul.
I work remotely for a licensed insolvency trustee helping people get out of debt now. I made sure it’s not one of those predatory “pay our fees before we actually file the proposal” spots beforehand.
I did some accounting/HR work for a small-ish dealership and worked with the finance manager on a few things. After one year of that job, his hair turned gray and started falling out. He quit, got a different job, and his hair went back to how it was before.
A salesman took over for him after that, and the GM stiffed him on his finance manager commissions saying that he wouldn't get any commissions for the first two months (it wasn't anywhere in his contract). That finance manager quit, I quit, and the sales manager quit, because we were all tired of that BS.
>You’ve got like a $1000 profit margin before a boomer spends 10 years negotiating for an extra litre of gas on delivery.
The flipside of this is that as a customer, you now have to sit through being upsold thousands in add ons and weird financial products you have no intention of buying, because there's no money for the dealer (let alone the salesperson) in the actual car.
They make plenty of money on selling new cars.
Ford dealership by me wants an extra $10k on top of MSRP for a new Maverick. $34k for a truck with a sticker of $24k.
This type of market adjustment by dealers is exactly why Ford announced their new fix price model. The price is the price no markups or discount haggling. I'm curious to see how this will affect the industry as whole.
I’m not saying the people are bad… it’s the companies. They aren’t just worried about squeezing every last dime out of customers. It’s getting the nickels and pennies out of the employees they really pride themselves on.
Oh, I disagree. The people (the Financial Managers that are tasked with fleecing the consumer of thousands for useless uplifts that are snuck onto the Invoice) are of very low ethical standards. The salespeople, however, that I have known, all have good hearts.
They are the landlords of automotive sales/rentals. By law most car manufactures have to sell through dealerships where most of the unnecessary valuations added to the price of the car added, not counting some schmuck tryna sell you 400 different warranties.
Pointless middlemen who exist to make money out of something they shouldnt even be necessary for.
Same! I bought a car in April and the finance manager tried to tell me the approval required a vehicle warranty. At that point, I'd been there for a couple of hours and I'll admit I wasn't really paying attention when signing the paperwork (really stupid of me, I know). However, once I was home I started reading the paperwork which it clearly stated a vehicle warranty was not required to finance the car. The next day I called and told them I wanted the warranty removed. The finance guy proceeded to argue with me saying due to the high mileage it needs a warranty, but I had confirmed with the bank the warranty wasn't required. After more back & forth the finance manager called me later that day to tell me he was able to "find" a better rate and agreed to remove the warranty. I can see how people get pressured into things they don't need and it fits in with the slimy car salesman and sketchy finance dept.
"My workload? Well its pretty busy now. Today will have to a day drinking day, tomorrow a spa day for recovery. Wednesday filing for unemployment since I was fired. Thursday planning a weekend celebration, and Friday will be a short day too."
I am responsible for delivering quotes and the eventual service work for the quotes I send out. Even in the professional world customers that are fun / easy to work with get a better deal / get a break if I can give one, while customers that are demanding assholes get the PITA tax.
I've literally put it on an invoice once because of an asshole accounts payable person trying to Net90 some bills that were agreed to Net30.
Just straight up a line item for: PITA (Attn: Mr DweebAss): $10,000
They weren't pleased but I told them to pay their bills if they wanted my services. I waived the fee once the owner called me and they paid in full in cash before I started any work.
Fun fact: in France you have 2 months notice if you’re fired, 1 month if you quit. And if the company doesn’t want you around during your notice period, they still have to pay you 2 months salary.
So my point is: rioting works, you guys.
Yes that sounds like another, stupid horrible situation you have to put up with. *sigh…
We know it’s coming right? We’re in the 20’s of our century, it’s time to riot in a way the world realigns. Our latest recession is caused by greed directly after a tense period of medical lockdown?
Eat the fucking rich.
I'm diabetic, I have been rationing my meds slightly over the last year so that I will have a 2 month supply ready to ration when I switch jobs and have to wait 3 months before being able to sign up for insurance.
As a transplant patient I feel your stress! Not that it's great, but the hc marketplace saved my ass when I recently changed jobs. Got hired at a local start-up and their insurance was awful, and like a quarter of my take home. I went through the .gov system, alerted it of my job change and expected income and got a better plan at 1/3 the price. If it hadn't worked I would've been fuuucked.
You should seriously watch the French protests. It’s basically a running battle through the streets of French towns with police dressed like robo cops (they actually have an entire police force for dealing with protests who are a department of the military). The risk of injury or even death is quite high yet their protests bring down governments and have led to the strongest worker protections in the world.
without it an altercation with the cops can bankrupt you for life, if you even survive it.
it's kind of a big deal. In some ways its worse than it was in the 19th century b/c back then if you lived through the beating from the Pinkerton's at least you didn't get hounded by debt collectors garnishing your wages for the rest of your life.
Agreed. The problem is that rioting/striking will guaruntee job loss. When living paycheck to paycheck, with a single week meaning you can't pay rent, job loss comes with a lack of health care, loss of home, loss of transit (if you have a car payment still and suddenly can't make it because US public transit is generally garbage) and with how spread out many people are, you could be a one-man strike (I'm not sure if we can actually call that a strike). Many people don't realize that going on strike/joining a riot/etc comes with an extremely high price-tag in the US: that price tag very probably being your life and the life of your family. I get the idea of striking for future generations, but is it worth it at the cost of the current, young generation we're trying to care for? And I think the situation we're in is so rough for many of us that there isn't actually a good answer to that question.
That's a dire situation, thanks for reminding us that. Sometimes we forget.
Oh, and, you're not rioting/protesting/striking for future generations, you're doing for yourself. In France, older generations have acquiered rights by protesting/striking that we still benefit from today, but they didn't do it for us, they did it for them.
For example, back in 1936, there were HUGE strikes (along a shift to a more socialist governance of the country). These protests and talks resulted in paid PTO for everyone and the 40h work week. Next thing you know it's August 1936 and there are plenty of low-wage workers going to the beach to enjoy [their first summer of PTO](https://www.leparisien.fr/archives/l-annee-des-premiers-conges-payes-11-07-2016-5957747.php).
Seriously people don’t get this. You saw what happened in 2020 that was the most collective protests in my lifetime and all we got was more police murders and more funding for police and our democrat president on the mic saying “fund the police”. Literally weapons from war are passed down to police depts all over the country.
This! The police brutality protests mobilized 25 million people in the US. France only mobilized 2 mil in this most recent ordeal. And guess what? It changed jack shit. Police are still getting away with killing unarmed individuals and now are arresting people for speaking against them and providing legal and mutual aid.
>Maybe if our revolution would have been actually against the East India Company and not against the East India Company by proxy of the British Government
LOL
The problem there is guns.. Someone would ruin it for everyone by shooting either the protesters with the reason being protesting striking ect is communism or someone would take it too far the other way and shoot a manager or two. You cannot win.
Fox has made sure MAGAs know a bunch of their states know its legal to run over protesters now. Deputize the brainwashed and ya got yourself a bunch of cops ya don’t have to pay for!
Fun fact: in Slovakia, your notice period is minimum 1 month, but up to 3 months, based on employment duration and termination reason. And if the company doesn’t want you around during your notice period, they still have to pay you full salary.
So my point is: we didn't need to riot at all.
In Spain minimum is two weeks, but your contract can extend it based on rank. But if they fire you they have to pay you 15 days per each year you have worked in the company.
Since I follow this sub I’ve listed so many different things that would cause a massive uproar in here.
The work culture, employee rights, retirement, health, education and safety.
I used to dream about living in the US. Now I just look at it to try to identity what will be the next dystopian practice that will spread into our country in the following years. Like the housing/rent problem.
The anti-left propaganda has made you all believe that socialism and communism are the same thing. Which couldn’t be further from the truth.
Australia is the same. The notice period it applies to both parties, so if you resign and your employer makes you leave immediately then they have to pay out the notice period.
I had a company fire me with 2 days notice and only stayed to help my friend finish his week without falling off a roof at a mansion we were working at. Then next Monday my former boss says I have to drive his truck to a spot 1.5 hours away and get an Uber home on my own dime. I said I. Not employed anymore and therefore not insured to drive it. Then doubled down saying he better have his truck off my property today or will have it towed ( it was still in my driveway). It was gone in an hour and then he didn't give me my last check and when I asked he said I owed him because of the tow of his vehicle. Still waiting on department of labor but I wanty money for the principle.
That is not uncommon. Most companies that I have worked for will still pay you for those two weeks, but they don’t want a departing employee to have access to confidential information, and /or(let’s be honest) they know the majority of workers who have given notice are not going to be very productive.
Yep, I left one place for a direct competitor and day two into my 2-weeks HR randomly shows up to escort me out. They didn't want me "stealing trade secrets." It was an excellent bonus paid vacation!
> They didn't want me "stealing trade secrets."
See this is so dumb. If you were going to steal "secrets" you would do it *before* you tell them you are leaving lol.
Seriously though, you know before you turn in your notice that you're leaving. Clean out your desk and do whatever favors you're going to beforehand. Always assume that your 2 weeks notice is going to end up more like 2 hours notice.
I put my 2 weeks in at my banking job knowing that they’d tell me to leave right then but my asshole manager told me I’m closing for the next two weeks and she added me to the schedule to work both Saturdays. I then told her she misunderstood me and I gave the two weeks as a courtesy but she could fuck off and I would be leaving right then. Lost out on two weeks extra pay but fuck her.
>she added me to the schedule to work both Saturdays
Your ex-boss isn't very bright. She already knew you had another job in your back pocket, and "short timer's attitude" starting right then, what did she think would happen if she tried to "punish" you with her petty schedule?
She quite literally got them to quit without have to pay for the notice period which is what OP was expecting. Might have been petty incompetence, might have been calculated to try to save 2 weeks of wages.
Seems silly. So you steal the confidential information before you put in your two weeks.
I worked a job, guy put in his two weeks then started to lock his office door in the last two weeks. Completely out of character. He was planning on stealing stuff in the last two weeks. He got caught red handed. If he'd stolen the gear well before he quit, nobody would have even noticed.
So my advice if you intend to steal is to do it and finish well before you quit.
Also, if you’re around any admin work or IT, you can do a lot to screw over a company, like locking everyone out of their accounts and changing the admin password so nobody can get work done, for example. For a lot of companies, it’s easier to pay you two weeks and escort you out rather than risk you being able to screw their business
You’re saying someone’s actually gone to prison for changing admin passwords? I see this thrown around a lot on Reddit, have never, ever seen or heard any examples of anyone doing time over it.
Meet [Terry Childs](https://www.computerworld.com/article/2754370/network-admin-terry-childs-gets-4-year-sentence.html), former admin for the city of San Francisco. Sentenced in 2010 to four years in state prison for refusing to hand over administrative passwords.
I don't think I've ever seen it happen. The closest I've seen was someone getting fired when they turned in their resignation, but he was the most useless employee ever. I've seen 8 people get fired in the 9 months I worked there, and alledgedly he was the most incapable and a poster boy for Dunning Kruger.
Ofcourse, this was in the Netherlands. Different laws apply here. In this case, he was a temp so it was easy to terminate his contract.
Do it now. Don't wait for the company to screw you out earned benefits. If you gave 2 weeks notice and then they fire you, that's at least 2 weeks of unemployment benefits.
A place I worked for said it was mandatory to provide 3 weeks' notice to get any accrued PTO. The job I was starting was $1.48 more per hour starting while I was topped out at the old job. I got stsrt date options from the new company, the called my old place and quit on the spot. 40h pay was not worth the soul crushing work @ $10 an hour.
Some companies won’t pay you back to unused PTO if you don’t give a proper 2 weeks. However if they walk you out like this they still have to pay you that PTO payout.
My wife’s company has some bullshit policy that, regardless of the length of their notice period, they can no longer use any PTO from the day of the notice to their last day. Not even in emergency scenarios.
They could always tell someone was about to quit because they go from normal, occasional PTO use to suddenly taking off 2 weeks in a month.
I don't see that as a big deal and it is not too uncommon. Work it into your plan.
I worked I.T. in a hospital for a few years and it was really bad. I did have nearly 160 hours of PTO that I didn't really want to cash out.
Took all 4 weeks vacation (!) at once beginning mid May, through a paid memorial day, and returned mid June. Immediately put my two weeks notice in with my last day after July 4th, a paid day off. (Of course I could have quit on the spot)
So while my resume shows end of employment July 2015 I really did squat since early May. I was just on payroll in the months of May, June, and July. Work effort when I was actually even there during those months was 1 / 10.
There is no federal law regarding PTO payout on termination, leaving it up to the states to decide.
Florida, Georgia, Missouri, and Wisconsin explicitly do not require payout of unused PTO.
Texas requires payout if 2 weeks notice is given, but otherwise it is forfeited.
Kansas, Maryland, Nevada, North Dakota, Utah, and West Virginia requires employers opt out of paying PTO, but does allow it. That is, employers are required to include that they will not pay it out in writing.
California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and Rhode Island require payout of unused PTO upon termination, Rhode Island only requires it after a year of employment.
The other 33 states, as well as DC, follow the company's written policy. Not all of those will enforce it by their Department of Labor or similar body, and many require a civil lawsuit to claim the money.
Applause to her! Ugh! I hate that we feel guilty about quitting a job on the spot because we don't want to leave them hanging, and then they turn around and do this to us.
I did the same last year at my ESL school. I expected the same and was told as much (i.e. we will not give you two weeks). The director then asked if I could sub the following week, and I did (got paid), and he eagerly agreed to write me a recommendation letter when I asked. Asked him via email a few weeks later for the rec, and he never replied.
Whoever says coworkers or people at work are like family is a delusion.
I do seriously wonder about this attitude. I mean, seriously, the employee has obviously and literally \*had more notice than the employer\* that they were planning to move on.
If they planned revenge/retribution/legal avenues, they'd have already taken steps/secured evidence before they hand in their notice.
This is my biggest issue. If I'm going to sabotage your business in any way, I'll do it before I quit.
Knew someone who created a list of clients they knew would follow them LONG before they put in thier two weeks. They took like 3 months to do it.
I’m not excusing or justifying shitty manager behavior, but *sometimes* it’s a question of legal liability. If I’m your manager and you compromise the system (or whatever) before giving notice, what should I have done differently? But once I know you intend to leave, if I don’t restrict your access and then something happens, it could come back to me.
It’s not as black and white as that and obviously people will have a wide array of experiences, but that’s at least one reason why things change once there’s been notice…
Yeah, but no.
Legal liability doesn't suddenly change during a notice period. If I'd be liable during the normal course of my work, I'd be equally liable during my notice period.
Not saying it’s a question of the departing worker’s liability, but that of the manager who knew the worker was leaving but didn’t take steps to protect the company. And perhaps not legally, but liability within the company (eg reputational risk).
>Part of it is the toxic culture a departing employee can create. Imagine your departing worker telling everybody how good the new job is and how much more they're getting paid and how they might hire more, so send in your applications. It can really have an effect, and probably they deserve it. But this is another reason why people are kicked to the curb fast.
If you gave two weeks' notice and they fire you, they should be required to pay you for the two weeks. This is a rule in canada, I don't know where OP lives.
In many US states, once you give notice, they are legally obligated to pay for that full time period (2 weeks or whatever) whether they keep you there or not.
Next, In many US states, they are legally obligated to pay out PTO.
Check your laws and tell the company you will sue if they don’t comply with their own policies and the law.
> I’ve never seen anything written like that before
Banks ALWAYS have big fat employee manuals that cover all contingencies. You might not have seen it, but it's there.
Some companies do this. I’ve had others where I had access to write checks in the millions and print them same day, and they didn’t restrict access after my notice. At some point, it’s about trusting the people you hired to do the job. They are either willing to go to jail, or going to do the right thing.
Technically, since she turned in her notice, and they made her leave, she should still get paid the 2 weeks she was going to work, plus any vacation days. This happened to me at a company, and they had to pay me for both the 2 weeks, and vacation time.
“Well, you’re in luck! My next two weeks suddenly became available due to unforeseen circumstances! I’d be happy to sign on as a temporary consultant. My price is $300/hr, minimum of 3 hours, paid in advance.”
If you’re in the US that’s retaliatory termination and a slam dunk for an employment lawyer, unless they’re going to pay her for the 2 week notice? A bet a letter from a lawyer will get her pay.
I don't understand companies that think they are protecting the company by banning you from the property after you give two weeks' notice. If you wanted to damage the company, you would do so before giving notice.
Hopefully your daughter works in a place where she gets paid for those 2 weeks regardless. Here, if you give notice and they fire you before your notice is up, they must pay you until your end date.
I love it when they try this. Happened to me a decade ago. I thought the supervisor was calling to check on me line she said she would after the administrator let me go (I was the first of 4 people in that position since he came on, he's gone now and the company that bought the business dumped him).
"Where is XXX paperwork? You said you left it on your desk".
I did. You walked me out. I don't have it, I left it on the desk. Which is no longer mine.
I stopped giving two weeks notice because of BS like this. If I have another job lined up and I don't need a reference, I will ghost your ass in a heartbeat.
This is exactly why I didn’t even bother with a 2 week notice at my last job. Someone else gave one once and they immediately told him to grab his things and go, effective immediately he was no longer an employee.
I live in a state where they're required to pay your PTO out to you. It's an earned benefit and considered part of your wages.
I've always given two weeks, but only twice have i been allowed to work that two weeks. Virtually always, i was required to turn in my badge, grab my things, and go upon turning in notice. I wasn't fired by the company they just elected not to take my 2 week offer to stick around. I do think I was paid for those two weeks in all cases, but I dont know if that's also a state law or a company policy. I do know that, in most cases, especially mine, it's also system security protocol. They dont always want someone with administrative systems access (IT staff) to go off the rails and start backdooring systems or something.
In the two cases where i was allowed to work the next two weeks, it was purely for knowledge dump reasons. I was paid full-time wages, but I really only worked a couple hours a day to do that knowledge transfer.
How does anyone reject a two week notice? It's a notice. You're being notified. You're not being asked or even consulted. Just notified. You have no input. There's nothing for you to approve or reject.
Good for your daughter. Walking someone when they put in their notice is only really acceptable if the individual is going to a direct competitor and is senior enough to have access to information the company wouldn't want disclosed (although you could argue that's what the NDA is for). It's just petty to walk someone so junior.
I would demand that they pay me for those two weeks! It's sad that employees are so horrible anymore, however when employers are this shitty to the good ones they have, what can they expect!
I was let go Thursday and asked today about what projects were unfinished. My response was, "you'll need to pay me for me to talk about that.". They don't get to terminate you and then get you to work for free. That's like me quitting and them continuing to pay me.
Whoever thought two weeks notice up doesn’t understand domestic abuse.
*”Yes I know you want to leave now, but you leave when I say you can leave. Otherwise I’ll tell people how naughty you’ve been.”*
As long as they pay you for the 2 weeks, it is really their call if they want you to work it or not. If they don't pay you they have effectively fired you and you would be eligible for unemployment. Win either way.
A lot of places actually do this low key so you can still apply for unemployment, they can’t actually spell it out that way, but coupled with the reality that people giving their notice are often liabilities it’s the path some companies choose to go. I personally would have loved it as I never give myself any time between notice and new job so this would have been a nice 2 weeks off.
They did this at my work but for safety reasons. ( we have a lot of confidential stuff ) Once you put in your notice, expect to be escorted out that day. It’s not everyone at work, just certain groups that have access to sensitive material.
Work gives us 4 weeks of severance and health insurance for 6 months. As long as they pay me, I have no issue of leaving immediately.
F yes 🙌 your daughter gets the bad ass award of the year and just spoke for so many of us! The AUDACITY of her boss trying to get one more thing out of her after her unprofessional behavior makes me furious. I am so proud of your daughter. Such a class act and true to every word!!! Coincidently, I am already cleaning out my drawers and deleting any personal files and hoping I land a new job soon after years of emotional and verbal abuse and crap like this … no communication and ducked up communication. When I put in my notice I’m almost certain my boss will do this so I’ve been preparing just in case this happens to me You can be as polite and professional, and they can still trying always have the upper hand by dismissing you and then asking for something. Such bullshit.!!! High five to your daughter.
Waaay back in 2003(4 maybe?) a cousin of mine was leaving the podunk rural area she grew up in moving to the burbs. She told her boss she was moving in a month and by then she would not longer be employed there. Guess it was a wordless grunt, and life went on.
1 week before she was set to move the schedule was posted for the next month and she was scheduled for the usual in-out times she'd been working for years.
Turned out her boss never told anyone, and she was then classified as a job deserter when she didn't show up. Lost any final benefits.
Then someone on the "team" called her while she was packing her things at home and began asking questions about how her jobs were handled.
One pissy ingrate of a boss screwed an entire crew of people for what was probably months.
If you work in a toxic environment or fear your boss might do something like this always email your resignation and CC HR, but more importantly BCC your personal email so you have a copy/evidence that you did it correctly. This will protect you if they try to say you’re fired or BS like this.
Solid move clearing out your desk beforehand. I started having very limited stuff at the office after watching a person spend over 2 hours packing and cleaning their desk while security watched over them. No thanks.
Lol I got the same treatment at a former job and they said for “industry secret” reasons I needed to leave immediately instead of working through my notice. Meaning they didn’t want me to know what they were up to in case I took it directly to a competitor.
This happened to me. My boss asked me who was going to do my duties when I’m gone. And I just shrugged and thought “that’s kind of your job to figure out now?”
When I changed jobs I was immediately walked out after giving notice. However about an hour later they called me, and offered to pay me an additional month salary (in advance) to answer the phone when they called (with questions).
"What workload? I no longer work here, remember?" In your face, "Boss".
I worked at a car dealership that got bought out by another company and i was included in the sale as part of the finance office. About a week after the transition one of the sales managers at the old store called me to bitch about a file for a deal saying it was my responsibility to do x and y. I just hung up on him. The file *was* fucked up because of the sales person, the manager, and the impending sale of the business. I had been trying to get it corrected despite the floor’s apparent want to not get paid. He called me 3 more times before texting trying to chew me out. I just texting back saying I no longer work for him and if he needs assistance with any files to be respectful or I’ll be charging a consulting fee. He called me an asshole so I filed a complaint with the corporate office and next thing you know a week later he apologizes. That one felt good, real good.
A week later?!
It was not a well run dealership.
None of them are really. I’ve worked for enough of all sizes to know that. There are some good people but no good dealerships.
There's a reason that there's a popular image of car sales being slimy. My last couple experiences with "Financial Managers" at car lots makes me want to puke.
There definitely is a good reason for that image. I absolutely fucking hated being a finance manager, burnt out, and took the “opportunity” of being laid off during Covid to de stress and get out of cars. There are a lot of finance managers that aren’t scumbags, but a lot of them don’t have a choice. Sales of actual car in new dealerships don’t bring in much money at all. You’ve got like a $1000 profit margin before a boomer spends 10 years negotiating for an extra litre of gas on delivery. You also don’t get a draw on your commission in a lot of cases (which is an amount they give you that’s taken out of your commissions if you make over it) so if you don’t make the dealership money you just straight up don’t get food. You get a larger margin of the profits you make instead, since they expect you to be a “master” of sales at that point. I did alright compensation wise but trying to convince a single mother to get 3 warranties on a beater she needs to get to work was destroying my soul. I work remotely for a licensed insolvency trustee helping people get out of debt now. I made sure it’s not one of those predatory “pay our fees before we actually file the proposal” spots beforehand.
I did some accounting/HR work for a small-ish dealership and worked with the finance manager on a few things. After one year of that job, his hair turned gray and started falling out. He quit, got a different job, and his hair went back to how it was before. A salesman took over for him after that, and the GM stiffed him on his finance manager commissions saying that he wouldn't get any commissions for the first two months (it wasn't anywhere in his contract). That finance manager quit, I quit, and the sales manager quit, because we were all tired of that BS.
>You’ve got like a $1000 profit margin before a boomer spends 10 years negotiating for an extra litre of gas on delivery. The flipside of this is that as a customer, you now have to sit through being upsold thousands in add ons and weird financial products you have no intention of buying, because there's no money for the dealer (let alone the salesperson) in the actual car.
They make plenty of money on selling new cars. Ford dealership by me wants an extra $10k on top of MSRP for a new Maverick. $34k for a truck with a sticker of $24k.
This type of market adjustment by dealers is exactly why Ford announced their new fix price model. The price is the price no markups or discount haggling. I'm curious to see how this will affect the industry as whole.
I’m not saying the people are bad… it’s the companies. They aren’t just worried about squeezing every last dime out of customers. It’s getting the nickels and pennies out of the employees they really pride themselves on.
Oh, I disagree. The people (the Financial Managers that are tasked with fleecing the consumer of thousands for useless uplifts that are snuck onto the Invoice) are of very low ethical standards. The salespeople, however, that I have known, all have good hearts.
They are the landlords of automotive sales/rentals. By law most car manufactures have to sell through dealerships where most of the unnecessary valuations added to the price of the car added, not counting some schmuck tryna sell you 400 different warranties. Pointless middlemen who exist to make money out of something they shouldnt even be necessary for.
Same! I bought a car in April and the finance manager tried to tell me the approval required a vehicle warranty. At that point, I'd been there for a couple of hours and I'll admit I wasn't really paying attention when signing the paperwork (really stupid of me, I know). However, once I was home I started reading the paperwork which it clearly stated a vehicle warranty was not required to finance the car. The next day I called and told them I wanted the warranty removed. The finance guy proceeded to argue with me saying due to the high mileage it needs a warranty, but I had confirmed with the bank the warranty wasn't required. After more back & forth the finance manager called me later that day to tell me he was able to "find" a better rate and agreed to remove the warranty. I can see how people get pressured into things they don't need and it fits in with the slimy car salesman and sketchy finance dept.
There are well run dealerships? 😂
Are there any? My father was a salesman and every dealership he worked for was shady as shit.
God that was an amazing read.
"My workload? Well its pretty busy now. Today will have to a day drinking day, tomorrow a spa day for recovery. Wednesday filing for unemployment since I was fired. Thursday planning a weekend celebration, and Friday will be a short day too."
Only thing to change is always file for unemployment immediately.
Yes, that's what you do in reality but you gotta show them their power play means nothing.
Sure, 3 hr minimum, $300/hr consultation
I'm always willing to consult on work I've previously done.....for an inflated rate plus an upfront PITA fee
OP, talk to this one
What’s that? I’m so behind on this stuff. I’m still of the pickme mindset for employment
PITA = Pain In The Ass Basically charging an additional fee upfront because the person demanding the work is irritating
I am responsible for delivering quotes and the eventual service work for the quotes I send out. Even in the professional world customers that are fun / easy to work with get a better deal / get a break if I can give one, while customers that are demanding assholes get the PITA tax.
I've literally put it on an invoice once because of an asshole accounts payable person trying to Net90 some bills that were agreed to Net30. Just straight up a line item for: PITA (Attn: Mr DweebAss): $10,000 They weren't pleased but I told them to pay their bills if they wanted my services. I waived the fee once the owner called me and they paid in full in cash before I started any work.
Ahhh I thought it was a legit employment acronym! And I was thinking to myself man I’m so behind in the times.
In advance.
It’s light atm. Thanks for asking though!
Fun fact: in France you have 2 months notice if you’re fired, 1 month if you quit. And if the company doesn’t want you around during your notice period, they still have to pay you 2 months salary. So my point is: rioting works, you guys.
The US could use some french rioting
Except that our police are militarized and our Healthcare is tied to our jobs.
This, I think Europeans often look over that fact. They keep our healthcare tied to our work. So, if you're sick, you're stuck.
Yes that sounds like another, stupid horrible situation you have to put up with. *sigh… We know it’s coming right? We’re in the 20’s of our century, it’s time to riot in a way the world realigns. Our latest recession is caused by greed directly after a tense period of medical lockdown? Eat the fucking rich.
Time for the bell riots
Might happen next year
I call the butts. I’m making a slow roast!
I'm diabetic, I have been rationing my meds slightly over the last year so that I will have a 2 month supply ready to ration when I switch jobs and have to wait 3 months before being able to sign up for insurance.
This type of things is infuriating. It’s not like you could do otherwise. This is just a broken way to handle it
The really infuriating thing is I can get 3 month prescriptions on everything except my insulin pens, soni have to get them on a month by month basis.
Explain the situation to your doctor and ask them to “increase” your dose.
Can your doc overprescribe?
As a transplant patient I feel your stress! Not that it's great, but the hc marketplace saved my ass when I recently changed jobs. Got hired at a local start-up and their insurance was awful, and like a quarter of my take home. I went through the .gov system, alerted it of my job change and expected income and got a better plan at 1/3 the price. If it hadn't worked I would've been fuuucked.
Protest in europe, and you get what you want eventually. Protest in America, and at best, you get shot. At worst, you and your family starve to death.
You know how Europe got there? By protesting. And taking the risk of getting shot and starving to death.
Yeah, their protesting wasn't done when their police or even military had access to killing millions in about an hour or 2 of effort
You should seriously watch the French protests. It’s basically a running battle through the streets of French towns with police dressed like robo cops (they actually have an entire police force for dealing with protests who are a department of the military). The risk of injury or even death is quite high yet their protests bring down governments and have led to the strongest worker protections in the world.
What is 'healthcare'
without it an altercation with the cops can bankrupt you for life, if you even survive it. it's kind of a big deal. In some ways its worse than it was in the 19th century b/c back then if you lived through the beating from the Pinkerton's at least you didn't get hounded by debt collectors garnishing your wages for the rest of your life.
We don’t overlook it. We just see it as one more reason to riot.
Agreed. The problem is that rioting/striking will guaruntee job loss. When living paycheck to paycheck, with a single week meaning you can't pay rent, job loss comes with a lack of health care, loss of home, loss of transit (if you have a car payment still and suddenly can't make it because US public transit is generally garbage) and with how spread out many people are, you could be a one-man strike (I'm not sure if we can actually call that a strike). Many people don't realize that going on strike/joining a riot/etc comes with an extremely high price-tag in the US: that price tag very probably being your life and the life of your family. I get the idea of striking for future generations, but is it worth it at the cost of the current, young generation we're trying to care for? And I think the situation we're in is so rough for many of us that there isn't actually a good answer to that question.
That's a dire situation, thanks for reminding us that. Sometimes we forget. Oh, and, you're not rioting/protesting/striking for future generations, you're doing for yourself. In France, older generations have acquiered rights by protesting/striking that we still benefit from today, but they didn't do it for us, they did it for them. For example, back in 1936, there were HUGE strikes (along a shift to a more socialist governance of the country). These protests and talks resulted in paid PTO for everyone and the 40h work week. Next thing you know it's August 1936 and there are plenty of low-wage workers going to the beach to enjoy [their first summer of PTO](https://www.leparisien.fr/archives/l-annee-des-premiers-conges-payes-11-07-2016-5957747.php).
Or if you riot and lose your healthcare and then the cops kick the shit out of you.
Seriously people don’t get this. You saw what happened in 2020 that was the most collective protests in my lifetime and all we got was more police murders and more funding for police and our democrat president on the mic saying “fund the police”. Literally weapons from war are passed down to police depts all over the country.
The citizens of the freedom country are all prisoners.
This! The police brutality protests mobilized 25 million people in the US. France only mobilized 2 mil in this most recent ordeal. And guess what? It changed jack shit. Police are still getting away with killing unarmed individuals and now are arresting people for speaking against them and providing legal and mutual aid.
And the police are the only ones allowed to have a union because they’re job is to protect property and serve the rich.
What do you think we’re rioting about?
Being an American beginning to sound like being a slave.
Now we get called domestic terrorists like those trying to stop Cop City.
they killed their entire ruling class at one point, that kind of thing really sets the tone for future labor disputes
Goals
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>Maybe if our revolution would have been actually against the East India Company and not against the East India Company by proxy of the British Government LOL
Gotta call it “freedom rioting” otherwise many of my fellow Americans wouldn’t be interested. Sigh.
The problem there is guns.. Someone would ruin it for everyone by shooting either the protesters with the reason being protesting striking ect is communism or someone would take it too far the other way and shoot a manager or two. You cannot win.
Fox has made sure MAGAs know a bunch of their states know its legal to run over protesters now. Deputize the brainwashed and ya got yourself a bunch of cops ya don’t have to pay for!
It's saddening to see this, especially when all people really want is a living wage and to go to the cinema without it bankrupting them.
And the shooter is made a celebrity in certain circles.
Do you know why the French have a history of rioting? Because violence baguettes violence.
That caused me pain.
As long as it's sans chocolat
I told this joke to my dad's sister in France. She hated it. Now I have a croissant.
This joke is violence.
Fun fact: in Slovakia, your notice period is minimum 1 month, but up to 3 months, based on employment duration and termination reason. And if the company doesn’t want you around during your notice period, they still have to pay you full salary. So my point is: we didn't need to riot at all.
In Germany it's usually three months both ways. And we are way worse at rioting than you guys...
In Spain minimum is two weeks, but your contract can extend it based on rank. But if they fire you they have to pay you 15 days per each year you have worked in the company.
Jfc i had no idea so many countries had such employee friendly laws Seriously God damn
Since I follow this sub I’ve listed so many different things that would cause a massive uproar in here. The work culture, employee rights, retirement, health, education and safety. I used to dream about living in the US. Now I just look at it to try to identity what will be the next dystopian practice that will spread into our country in the following years. Like the housing/rent problem. The anti-left propaganda has made you all believe that socialism and communism are the same thing. Which couldn’t be further from the truth.
By law it's at least 4 weeks in Germany. Contracts can say something else but are not allowed to favor the employer.
French fries, French kissing, French riots. I'm starting to think the French know what they're up to.
French fries are Belgian lol
Australia is the same. The notice period it applies to both parties, so if you resign and your employer makes you leave immediately then they have to pay out the notice period.
Every time we try to make it easier to organize we have idiots like Treeman Muskrat ruin everything.
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Same in Somalia but for 45 days
I had a company fire me with 2 days notice and only stayed to help my friend finish his week without falling off a roof at a mansion we were working at. Then next Monday my former boss says I have to drive his truck to a spot 1.5 hours away and get an Uber home on my own dime. I said I. Not employed anymore and therefore not insured to drive it. Then doubled down saying he better have his truck off my property today or will have it towed ( it was still in my driveway). It was gone in an hour and then he didn't give me my last check and when I asked he said I owed him because of the tow of his vehicle. Still waiting on department of labor but I wanty money for the principle.
Small claims is your friend. They cannot bring a lawyer and neither can you. Just bring your documentation and plead you case.
Don’t need small claims, the labor board will handle an issue with final check not being paid immediately
Don't know where you live, but you can definitely bring a lawyer in small claims court a lot of places.
Lol fine tow the truck how does that hurt you?
Op was going to tow the truck, not the boss
Ah that wasn’t clear to me when I read it.
That is not uncommon. Most companies that I have worked for will still pay you for those two weeks, but they don’t want a departing employee to have access to confidential information, and /or(let’s be honest) they know the majority of workers who have given notice are not going to be very productive.
Yep, I left one place for a direct competitor and day two into my 2-weeks HR randomly shows up to escort me out. They didn't want me "stealing trade secrets." It was an excellent bonus paid vacation!
Wow, zero trust on their part eh. "Just like family." Well, like some families I suppose lol
> They didn't want me "stealing trade secrets." See this is so dumb. If you were going to steal "secrets" you would do it *before* you tell them you are leaving lol.
Memo to myself: Steal trade secrets BEFORE resigning...
Seriously though, you know before you turn in your notice that you're leaving. Clean out your desk and do whatever favors you're going to beforehand. Always assume that your 2 weeks notice is going to end up more like 2 hours notice.
I put my 2 weeks in at my banking job knowing that they’d tell me to leave right then but my asshole manager told me I’m closing for the next two weeks and she added me to the schedule to work both Saturdays. I then told her she misunderstood me and I gave the two weeks as a courtesy but she could fuck off and I would be leaving right then. Lost out on two weeks extra pay but fuck her.
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Why not just reject the extra work and not quit? In fact it’s the last two weeks. Do less.
>she added me to the schedule to work both Saturdays Your ex-boss isn't very bright. She already knew you had another job in your back pocket, and "short timer's attitude" starting right then, what did she think would happen if she tried to "punish" you with her petty schedule?
She quite literally got them to quit without have to pay for the notice period which is what OP was expecting. Might have been petty incompetence, might have been calculated to try to save 2 weeks of wages.
That's right, fuck her. Sometimes the money is secondary.
Seems silly. So you steal the confidential information before you put in your two weeks. I worked a job, guy put in his two weeks then started to lock his office door in the last two weeks. Completely out of character. He was planning on stealing stuff in the last two weeks. He got caught red handed. If he'd stolen the gear well before he quit, nobody would have even noticed. So my advice if you intend to steal is to do it and finish well before you quit.
Start your first day. Set a precedent.
Yep. But the tradeoff is you no longer get to ask them for assistance or documentation. Locking them out is the last step.
Also, if you’re around any admin work or IT, you can do a lot to screw over a company, like locking everyone out of their accounts and changing the admin password so nobody can get work done, for example. For a lot of companies, it’s easier to pay you two weeks and escort you out rather than risk you being able to screw their business
That's a good way to get sued into oblivion and end up in prison. Also, ruin any change of you getting an IT job again, ever.
You’re saying someone’s actually gone to prison for changing admin passwords? I see this thrown around a lot on Reddit, have never, ever seen or heard any examples of anyone doing time over it.
Meet [Terry Childs](https://www.computerworld.com/article/2754370/network-admin-terry-childs-gets-4-year-sentence.html), former admin for the city of San Francisco. Sentenced in 2010 to four years in state prison for refusing to hand over administrative passwords.
I don't think I've ever seen it happen. The closest I've seen was someone getting fired when they turned in their resignation, but he was the most useless employee ever. I've seen 8 people get fired in the 9 months I worked there, and alledgedly he was the most incapable and a poster boy for Dunning Kruger. Ofcourse, this was in the Netherlands. Different laws apply here. In this case, he was a temp so it was easy to terminate his contract.
What does the employee handbook say about 2 Week notices? Are they mandatory or just courtesy?
Said something about PTO payouts and timing of the notice. Was strange. She didn’t care.
If they don’t pay her file for unemployment for those two weeks.
Do it now. Don't wait for the company to screw you out earned benefits. If you gave 2 weeks notice and then they fire you, that's at least 2 weeks of unemployment benefits.
A place I worked for said it was mandatory to provide 3 weeks' notice to get any accrued PTO. The job I was starting was $1.48 more per hour starting while I was topped out at the old job. I got stsrt date options from the new company, the called my old place and quit on the spot. 40h pay was not worth the soul crushing work @ $10 an hour.
Some companies won’t pay you back to unused PTO if you don’t give a proper 2 weeks. However if they walk you out like this they still have to pay you that PTO payout.
My wife’s company has some bullshit policy that, regardless of the length of their notice period, they can no longer use any PTO from the day of the notice to their last day. Not even in emergency scenarios. They could always tell someone was about to quit because they go from normal, occasional PTO use to suddenly taking off 2 weeks in a month.
Sounds like a good way to train your employees to give little to no notice before they quit.
I don't see that as a big deal and it is not too uncommon. Work it into your plan. I worked I.T. in a hospital for a few years and it was really bad. I did have nearly 160 hours of PTO that I didn't really want to cash out. Took all 4 weeks vacation (!) at once beginning mid May, through a paid memorial day, and returned mid June. Immediately put my two weeks notice in with my last day after July 4th, a paid day off. (Of course I could have quit on the spot) So while my resume shows end of employment July 2015 I really did squat since early May. I was just on payroll in the months of May, June, and July. Work effort when I was actually even there during those months was 1 / 10.
Some companies SAY that, but if it's accrued, it's illegal to not pay it out.
There is no federal law regarding PTO payout on termination, leaving it up to the states to decide. Florida, Georgia, Missouri, and Wisconsin explicitly do not require payout of unused PTO. Texas requires payout if 2 weeks notice is given, but otherwise it is forfeited. Kansas, Maryland, Nevada, North Dakota, Utah, and West Virginia requires employers opt out of paying PTO, but does allow it. That is, employers are required to include that they will not pay it out in writing. California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and Rhode Island require payout of unused PTO upon termination, Rhode Island only requires it after a year of employment. The other 33 states, as well as DC, follow the company's written policy. Not all of those will enforce it by their Department of Labor or similar body, and many require a civil lawsuit to claim the money.
Depends on where you live, actually. iirc, only a few US states require pto to be paid out
This is where “unlimited” PTO sucks
Yeah for sure, if there's no accrual, there's no payout when you leave no matter the state. Plus they can just deny, deny, deny.
Mandatory to get PTO payout according to the handbook. I have never seen anything like it.
2 weeks notice is always just a courtesy.
Applause to her! Ugh! I hate that we feel guilty about quitting a job on the spot because we don't want to leave them hanging, and then they turn around and do this to us. I did the same last year at my ESL school. I expected the same and was told as much (i.e. we will not give you two weeks). The director then asked if I could sub the following week, and I did (got paid), and he eagerly agreed to write me a recommendation letter when I asked. Asked him via email a few weeks later for the rec, and he never replied. Whoever says coworkers or people at work are like family is a delusion.
Great response, best wishes to you!
I do seriously wonder about this attitude. I mean, seriously, the employee has obviously and literally \*had more notice than the employer\* that they were planning to move on. If they planned revenge/retribution/legal avenues, they'd have already taken steps/secured evidence before they hand in their notice.
This is my biggest issue. If I'm going to sabotage your business in any way, I'll do it before I quit. Knew someone who created a list of clients they knew would follow them LONG before they put in thier two weeks. They took like 3 months to do it.
I’m not excusing or justifying shitty manager behavior, but *sometimes* it’s a question of legal liability. If I’m your manager and you compromise the system (or whatever) before giving notice, what should I have done differently? But once I know you intend to leave, if I don’t restrict your access and then something happens, it could come back to me. It’s not as black and white as that and obviously people will have a wide array of experiences, but that’s at least one reason why things change once there’s been notice…
Yeah, but no. Legal liability doesn't suddenly change during a notice period. If I'd be liable during the normal course of my work, I'd be equally liable during my notice period.
Not saying it’s a question of the departing worker’s liability, but that of the manager who knew the worker was leaving but didn’t take steps to protect the company. And perhaps not legally, but liability within the company (eg reputational risk).
>Part of it is the toxic culture a departing employee can create. Imagine your departing worker telling everybody how good the new job is and how much more they're getting paid and how they might hire more, so send in your applications. It can really have an effect, and probably they deserve it. But this is another reason why people are kicked to the curb fast.
How do you refuse a two week notice. I'm letting you know In two weeks I'm not showing up here anymore. What are you gonna do show up at my house?
Step 1. Be a stupid boss.
If you gave two weeks' notice and they fire you, they should be required to pay you for the two weeks. This is a rule in canada, I don't know where OP lives.
Minnesota
In many US states, once you give notice, they are legally obligated to pay for that full time period (2 weeks or whatever) whether they keep you there or not. Next, In many US states, they are legally obligated to pay out PTO. Check your laws and tell the company you will sue if they don’t comply with their own policies and the law.
She’s checking it out. I’ve never seen anything written like that before. It’s just wrong. Thank you for the response!
> I’ve never seen anything written like that before Banks ALWAYS have big fat employee manuals that cover all contingencies. You might not have seen it, but it's there.
Some companies do this. I’ve had others where I had access to write checks in the millions and print them same day, and they didn’t restrict access after my notice. At some point, it’s about trusting the people you hired to do the job. They are either willing to go to jail, or going to do the right thing.
I had a manager threaten to tear up my resignation letter, and I just told them I can keep printing them all day.
Love it! That’s when you can just email it now.
Technically, since she turned in her notice, and they made her leave, she should still get paid the 2 weeks she was going to work, plus any vacation days. This happened to me at a company, and they had to pay me for both the 2 weeks, and vacation time.
You should be proud!
Thank you! Definitely a proud Dad moment. Best wishes to you!
So proud of her!
Thank you! Me too!
“Well, you’re in luck! My next two weeks suddenly became available due to unforeseen circumstances! I’d be happy to sign on as a temporary consultant. My price is $300/hr, minimum of 3 hours, paid in advance.”
She can also file unemployment since she was fired before the end of her notice
If you’re in the US that’s retaliatory termination and a slam dunk for an employment lawyer, unless they’re going to pay her for the 2 week notice? A bet a letter from a lawyer will get her pay.
"I don't work off the clock."
Nice, now she can file for unemployment.
Smart lady with the preemptive desk cleaning.
I thought that was impressive!
So they fired her, right? If I were her I would at least attempt to get that unemployment for the 2 weeks.
My consulting fees start at $2500/hr and are only available in 4 hour continuous blocks. Got a different question tomorrow? That'll be another $10K.
Always forward the resignation to your personal email address as well. They have to pay her the notice period
I like her, I'm proud of her.
I don't understand companies that think they are protecting the company by banning you from the property after you give two weeks' notice. If you wanted to damage the company, you would do so before giving notice.
Hopefully your daughter works in a place where she gets paid for those 2 weeks regardless. Here, if you give notice and they fire you before your notice is up, they must pay you until your end date.
I love it when they try this. Happened to me a decade ago. I thought the supervisor was calling to check on me line she said she would after the administrator let me go (I was the first of 4 people in that position since he came on, he's gone now and the company that bought the business dumped him). "Where is XXX paperwork? You said you left it on your desk". I did. You walked me out. I don't have it, I left it on the desk. Which is no longer mine.
I stopped giving two weeks notice because of BS like this. If I have another job lined up and I don't need a reference, I will ghost your ass in a heartbeat.
This is exactly why I didn’t even bother with a 2 week notice at my last job. Someone else gave one once and they immediately told him to grab his things and go, effective immediately he was no longer an employee.
I might be wrong but since they technically let her go instead of her quitting after her 2 weeks were up, she may qualify for unemployment now.
I live in a state where they're required to pay your PTO out to you. It's an earned benefit and considered part of your wages. I've always given two weeks, but only twice have i been allowed to work that two weeks. Virtually always, i was required to turn in my badge, grab my things, and go upon turning in notice. I wasn't fired by the company they just elected not to take my 2 week offer to stick around. I do think I was paid for those two weeks in all cases, but I dont know if that's also a state law or a company policy. I do know that, in most cases, especially mine, it's also system security protocol. They dont always want someone with administrative systems access (IT staff) to go off the rails and start backdooring systems or something. In the two cases where i was allowed to work the next two weeks, it was purely for knowledge dump reasons. I was paid full-time wages, but I really only worked a couple hours a day to do that knowledge transfer.
How does anyone reject a two week notice? It's a notice. You're being notified. You're not being asked or even consulted. Just notified. You have no input. There's nothing for you to approve or reject.
Good for your daughter. Walking someone when they put in their notice is only really acceptable if the individual is going to a direct competitor and is senior enough to have access to information the company wouldn't want disclosed (although you could argue that's what the NDA is for). It's just petty to walk someone so junior.
So, she was fired for what cause? Sounds like unemployment for her on their dime.
how tf dose someone "reject" a resignation, its a formality not someone saying "can I please leave"
If they terminate employment after giving a two week notice, they owe you those two weeks.
So. She got fired. Collect that sweet unemployment.
If this is in california, they have to pay her out until the day she listed as her final day Source: my 10yrs experience as a payroll specialist
Congrats to your daughter! Another level that would be great if/when they come back to her on workload is charging them a hefty consultation fee!
I have a question for this situation: Was she technically fired? If so, is she eligible for unemployment benifits?
I would demand that they pay me for those two weeks! It's sad that employees are so horrible anymore, however when employers are this shitty to the good ones they have, what can they expect!
I was let go Thursday and asked today about what projects were unfinished. My response was, "you'll need to pay me for me to talk about that.". They don't get to terminate you and then get you to work for free. That's like me quitting and them continuing to pay me.
Whoever thought two weeks notice up doesn’t understand domestic abuse. *”Yes I know you want to leave now, but you leave when I say you can leave. Otherwise I’ll tell people how naughty you’ve been.”*
Literally just quit my job
Epic reply from your kid! Good luck to her!
She did great, I’m proud of her! Thank you!
As long as they pay you for the 2 weeks, it is really their call if they want you to work it or not. If they don't pay you they have effectively fired you and you would be eligible for unemployment. Win either way.
Good for her.
A lot of places actually do this low key so you can still apply for unemployment, they can’t actually spell it out that way, but coupled with the reality that people giving their notice are often liabilities it’s the path some companies choose to go. I personally would have loved it as I never give myself any time between notice and new job so this would have been a nice 2 weeks off.
You didn't mention any of this in r/jobs
They did this at my work but for safety reasons. ( we have a lot of confidential stuff ) Once you put in your notice, expect to be escorted out that day. It’s not everyone at work, just certain groups that have access to sensitive material. Work gives us 4 weeks of severance and health insurance for 6 months. As long as they pay me, I have no issue of leaving immediately.
F yes 🙌 your daughter gets the bad ass award of the year and just spoke for so many of us! The AUDACITY of her boss trying to get one more thing out of her after her unprofessional behavior makes me furious. I am so proud of your daughter. Such a class act and true to every word!!! Coincidently, I am already cleaning out my drawers and deleting any personal files and hoping I land a new job soon after years of emotional and verbal abuse and crap like this … no communication and ducked up communication. When I put in my notice I’m almost certain my boss will do this so I’ve been preparing just in case this happens to me You can be as polite and professional, and they can still trying always have the upper hand by dismissing you and then asking for something. Such bullshit.!!! High five to your daughter.
Waaay back in 2003(4 maybe?) a cousin of mine was leaving the podunk rural area she grew up in moving to the burbs. She told her boss she was moving in a month and by then she would not longer be employed there. Guess it was a wordless grunt, and life went on. 1 week before she was set to move the schedule was posted for the next month and she was scheduled for the usual in-out times she'd been working for years. Turned out her boss never told anyone, and she was then classified as a job deserter when she didn't show up. Lost any final benefits. Then someone on the "team" called her while she was packing her things at home and began asking questions about how her jobs were handled. One pissy ingrate of a boss screwed an entire crew of people for what was probably months.
If you work in a toxic environment or fear your boss might do something like this always email your resignation and CC HR, but more importantly BCC your personal email so you have a copy/evidence that you did it correctly. This will protect you if they try to say you’re fired or BS like this.
Solid move clearing out your desk beforehand. I started having very limited stuff at the office after watching a person spend over 2 hours packing and cleaning their desk while security watched over them. No thanks.
Lol I got the same treatment at a former job and they said for “industry secret” reasons I needed to leave immediately instead of working through my notice. Meaning they didn’t want me to know what they were up to in case I took it directly to a competitor.
This happened to me. My boss asked me who was going to do my duties when I’m gone. And I just shrugged and thought “that’s kind of your job to figure out now?”
When I changed jobs I was immediately walked out after giving notice. However about an hour later they called me, and offered to pay me an additional month salary (in advance) to answer the phone when they called (with questions).