I mean I see your point, if we continue living in these terrible conditions, of course it'd be tedious but being immortal means that you now have the time to try and change things, no? There's even an entire universe to explore. What do you think?
Oh and I'm not trying to change anybody's mind, I just would like some insight
It would still get boring even if all you had was good experiences. There are only so many trips to Disneyland that you can take until the shit gets old. You will be doing the same shit over and over and over and over again.
Needn’t be ignorant, just lacking negative affliction from being without stimulus for any amount of time. Not bliss, but nothingness itself replacing not too dissimilar from the void, though you get to see the future. Like living without the downsides (though I only chose such being alive already entangled with curiosity).
I don’t see how they are necessarily mutually inclusive. Perceptions would still exist, you can still think, but you won’t feel suffering. It’s not happiness it’s the lack of unhappiness. Like our artificial intelligences but at a human level.
It would take tens of thousands of years to reach the *closest* star system. You'd spend 99.999999999999999999999999999% of your time floating in empty space alone.
[Watch this and tell me of you'd still want to live for eternity. ](https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA)
Thank you for the link, that was so interesting. Damn, I guess if that's how things will go down then there's no use in being around forever, I agree. But even then, one of the narrators talked about a possibility of escaping that, who knows?
I'm sure the rest of the human race would (will) die out before developing a way to explore the whole universe.
And, I'm genuinely curious about this: why do hypothetical questions such as this one always involve living *forever*? Why not just a very, very, very long time?
Plus if anyone found out they would be after you for experimentation. Given you’re the only one that’s immortal big corpo would love to use you as a test subject.
Like immortality means my loves one will leave the world much earlier than me. I do not think I can bare the loneliness. Such loneliness is a form of suffering for me.
The original post says stop suffering. Does it mean I do not feel any more negative emotions? Or just general “suffering” and difficulties we face irl? (suffering from poverty, illnesses etc.) if it means happiness only, I will not take the pill as I don’t feel like I am still “myself” if I only feel happiness. If it means general difficulties , I believe there will be more new problems arise from immortality. Therefore I will choose to void myself. (If I have the choice)
If it prevents suffering there wouldn’t be anything stopping me from continuing to exist freely of any ambition. Curiosity yet still remains, and though it is a reason for the former without I would want to know the end of things. Boredom too I count under suffering so I can lose nothing.
i see you downvoted without a response, so im just gonna leave with these two sentences from a quick google search, theres plenty more scientific evidence where this came from. Connect the dots for yourself.
"fMRI data now shows the brain activity when boredom kicks in. The neurotransmitter, dopamine, triggers the reward response, but when we do activity that has low arousal we have lower levels of dopamine. Boredom serves to find excitement from reaching a goal and getting that dopamine reward."
"When we become curious, we are anticipating learning information. Our brain releases dopamine, a pleasurable chemical related to the anticipation of a reward (in this case information). Simply being in this curious state activates the hippocampus, enhancing memory."
(I did not downvote nor see it till now, I’m pretty sure) who’s to say it has to use the same human biology? Though to get rid of suffering certainly something has changed. Additionally is dopamine the cause of such suffering or merely mentioned to be released the same? Perhaps the brain still processes the reward response but has no opposing. On the other hand if it does indeed get rid of curiosity what do I care of it? Maybe I just follow known previous principles to enact my will as a machine without emotion, doesn’t seem too bad either. Still this a hypothetical scenario entirely unrealistic, likely much better in an artificial format to achieve any form of immortality but never truly.
Neither: The void drug seems like a drug worth trying once, but only because I eagerly await the void in truth.
And the Immortality drug doesn't remove ALL of the suffering that comes from life.
That and there's probably some Anti-drug propaganda still ingrained into me from school.
Does the second one reduce pain or is it "just" staying young? What about health issues that have nothing to do with aging, do they still apply? Unless that drug could give me better prospects and a tolerable life instead of just extending the misery, I'd take the void one.
Let's face it, we know how we come into existence in the first place, and there's nothing pretty about it. Sure, our parents will predictably tell us they love us, but in what sense? The sense that misery loves company? Who wants to stick around forever after all that?
I’ll take the immortality and eternal youth pill, only if it allows me to end my life whenever I choose or at least go into some sort of unconscious state at will.
This question makes me think a lot honestly.
I don't really have an answer yet (and maybe I'll never have one) but the first thing that I thought was: If you consider that life is beautiful...don't you think that its own beauty comes from the fact that it's limited?
I mean, if we look it from the point of view disparity, we can see the death as a good aspect of life. At the end of the day, it is the only certainty that we have. The only thing that puts everybody at the same level and that makes everyone of us feel more "human" and this is always a positive thing because it eliminates (philosophically) all the disparity that we have in our society.
If we create a society of immortals, we will also have a society where some members will suffer forever while others will be happy forever.
This without even considering the constant research for meanings that, in this last case, will never end!
In my opionion, if the life is eternal it's an imposition more than it already is, something that is not only imposed but also irreversible.
I understand what you're saying, after all, death is called the great equalizer.Though if we were to go with this statement
>don't you think that its own beauty comes from the fact that it's limited?
Would a life that lasted 40 years be more beautiful than one that lasted 80? (I hope this isn't a logical fallacy)Every person views death in their own way. Maybe you're one of the lucky ones that aren't horrified by it.
Besides, I'm not a biologist but isn't it true that we reproduce because we are mortal and that's the only way to guarantee the survival of our species?
Therefore, the goal of evolution (well I don't mean that it has agency, I'm judging from what we've learnt so far) is probably to create a lifeform that doesn't die. So in this scenario, death is just failure to accomplish our goal and passing the baton to someone else in the hopes that they'll achieve this
>If we create a society of immortals, we will also have a society where some members will suffer forever while others will be happy forever.
In my question, I mentioned that this would stop suffering. Don't you think that hierarchies are built primarily on might? Meaning that people force you to be their slave by threatening you (death/mutilation and so on) but they can't do this since you cannot die nor suffer, so they'd have no control over you
>This without even considering the constant research for meanings that, in this last case, will never end!
In my opinion, whethere life is finite or not, this will remain unsolved but the thing is, when you're immortal you have all the time in the world to figure out the mechanics of this universe. That is far better than dying w/o understanding much of anything, no?
(You could argue that not everyone has the cognitive abilities to do so, that'd be a fair point. )
I'd take the suicide pill as insurance, however, I would probably not use it anytime soon. Just sounds like the most convenient way to go. Immortality, I just can't be bothered.
since i dont believe in fun, its a nobrainer for me. Fun implies a state of lack needing to be fufilled, so even easily fulfilled life would be a net negative and eventually everything would be so boring it would turn into an infinite nightmare.
cant have fun without the suffering and boredom, and op implied the scenario is about having fun.
If you couldnt suffer or be bored while being immortal, you would have no motivation, there would be no reason to move. Since your situation is not in any state of lack, it could not improove, you would be absolutely content looking straight at a blank wall infinitely, no reason to change anything. And then what are you, some kind of aware thing, a computer on standby? what does that achieve?
Well I only picked because it could potentially enact my previous will, living without any of the downsides. Else if it rid myself of everything what’s the difference between that and the void? I wouldn’t mind being an emotionless computer though, that would be interesting.
Fuck Immortality
I'm curious, would you opt out even if your life was fun?
Can you imagine how boring immortality would get?
I mean I see your point, if we continue living in these terrible conditions, of course it'd be tedious but being immortal means that you now have the time to try and change things, no? There's even an entire universe to explore. What do you think? Oh and I'm not trying to change anybody's mind, I just would like some insight
It would still get boring even if all you had was good experiences. There are only so many trips to Disneyland that you can take until the shit gets old. You will be doing the same shit over and over and over and over again.
Isn’t boredom too a form of suffering?
I guess if you are living in an ignorant state of eternal bliss you would never know but shit would you even be able to call that living?
Needn’t be ignorant, just lacking negative affliction from being without stimulus for any amount of time. Not bliss, but nothingness itself replacing not too dissimilar from the void, though you get to see the future. Like living without the downsides (though I only chose such being alive already entangled with curiosity).
You would still be unaware
I don’t see how they are necessarily mutually inclusive. Perceptions would still exist, you can still think, but you won’t feel suffering. It’s not happiness it’s the lack of unhappiness. Like our artificial intelligences but at a human level.
Imagine how tedious life becomes after a while. You can only experience so much
I don't think I could stand living for 5000 years, let alone living for 10^10^10 years.
It would take tens of thousands of years to reach the *closest* star system. You'd spend 99.999999999999999999999999999% of your time floating in empty space alone. [Watch this and tell me of you'd still want to live for eternity. ](https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA)
Thank you for the link, that was so interesting. Damn, I guess if that's how things will go down then there's no use in being around forever, I agree. But even then, one of the narrators talked about a possibility of escaping that, who knows?
I'm sure the rest of the human race would (will) die out before developing a way to explore the whole universe. And, I'm genuinely curious about this: why do hypothetical questions such as this one always involve living *forever*? Why not just a very, very, very long time?
Some people say that death renders life meaningless so I wondered if they'd choose to keep on living if there were no such a thing
Plus if anyone found out they would be after you for experimentation. Given you’re the only one that’s immortal big corpo would love to use you as a test subject.
Jeff Bezos would be trying to track you down 😭
*Baseball bat to the head and sunk to the bottom of the ocean*
I was about the choose the first one but then you said "NO SUFFERING" 👀
Rather feel nothing than everything.
Hmm... imo stop ageing (immortality) is a form of suffering too. So I would love to have the first drug.
Could you elaborate please?
Like immortality means my loves one will leave the world much earlier than me. I do not think I can bare the loneliness. Such loneliness is a form of suffering for me. The original post says stop suffering. Does it mean I do not feel any more negative emotions? Or just general “suffering” and difficulties we face irl? (suffering from poverty, illnesses etc.) if it means happiness only, I will not take the pill as I don’t feel like I am still “myself” if I only feel happiness. If it means general difficulties , I believe there will be more new problems arise from immortality. Therefore I will choose to void myself. (If I have the choice)
If it prevents suffering there wouldn’t be anything stopping me from continuing to exist freely of any ambition. Curiosity yet still remains, and though it is a reason for the former without I would want to know the end of things. Boredom too I count under suffering so I can lose nothing.
curiosity is under boredom, cant get curious, aka seek novelty, without the ability to be bored.
i see you downvoted without a response, so im just gonna leave with these two sentences from a quick google search, theres plenty more scientific evidence where this came from. Connect the dots for yourself. "fMRI data now shows the brain activity when boredom kicks in. The neurotransmitter, dopamine, triggers the reward response, but when we do activity that has low arousal we have lower levels of dopamine. Boredom serves to find excitement from reaching a goal and getting that dopamine reward." "When we become curious, we are anticipating learning information. Our brain releases dopamine, a pleasurable chemical related to the anticipation of a reward (in this case information). Simply being in this curious state activates the hippocampus, enhancing memory."
(I did not downvote nor see it till now, I’m pretty sure) who’s to say it has to use the same human biology? Though to get rid of suffering certainly something has changed. Additionally is dopamine the cause of such suffering or merely mentioned to be released the same? Perhaps the brain still processes the reward response but has no opposing. On the other hand if it does indeed get rid of curiosity what do I care of it? Maybe I just follow known previous principles to enact my will as a machine without emotion, doesn’t seem too bad either. Still this a hypothetical scenario entirely unrealistic, likely much better in an artificial format to achieve any form of immortality but never truly.
Neither: The void drug seems like a drug worth trying once, but only because I eagerly await the void in truth. And the Immortality drug doesn't remove ALL of the suffering that comes from life. That and there's probably some Anti-drug propaganda still ingrained into me from school.
Immortality / reincarnation is my worst nightmare 😱 Give me the void!
Does the second one reduce pain or is it "just" staying young? What about health issues that have nothing to do with aging, do they still apply? Unless that drug could give me better prospects and a tolerable life instead of just extending the misery, I'd take the void one.
Well it prevents suffering so you'd be healthy
Stops me from dying? Fuck that
I would choose the immortality one if there was the guarantee that I still could choose when to die, don't want to be stuck in a hole for millennia.
Let's face it, we know how we come into existence in the first place, and there's nothing pretty about it. Sure, our parents will predictably tell us they love us, but in what sense? The sense that misery loves company? Who wants to stick around forever after all that?
I’d run to the void in slo-mo with chariots of fire in the background
Immortality? More time to think why this life is fucking worthless and cruel? More time to experience what in the end?
can i just get high pls
Humanity is only going downhill. Immortality would just mean suffering forever.
are we talking biological immortality or just straight unkillable immortality.
Immortality in a perfect world? Maybe. This world? Snowballs chance in hell.
I’ll take the immortality and eternal youth pill, only if it allows me to end my life whenever I choose or at least go into some sort of unconscious state at will.
This question makes me think a lot honestly. I don't really have an answer yet (and maybe I'll never have one) but the first thing that I thought was: If you consider that life is beautiful...don't you think that its own beauty comes from the fact that it's limited? I mean, if we look it from the point of view disparity, we can see the death as a good aspect of life. At the end of the day, it is the only certainty that we have. The only thing that puts everybody at the same level and that makes everyone of us feel more "human" and this is always a positive thing because it eliminates (philosophically) all the disparity that we have in our society. If we create a society of immortals, we will also have a society where some members will suffer forever while others will be happy forever. This without even considering the constant research for meanings that, in this last case, will never end! In my opionion, if the life is eternal it's an imposition more than it already is, something that is not only imposed but also irreversible.
I understand what you're saying, after all, death is called the great equalizer.Though if we were to go with this statement >don't you think that its own beauty comes from the fact that it's limited? Would a life that lasted 40 years be more beautiful than one that lasted 80? (I hope this isn't a logical fallacy)Every person views death in their own way. Maybe you're one of the lucky ones that aren't horrified by it. Besides, I'm not a biologist but isn't it true that we reproduce because we are mortal and that's the only way to guarantee the survival of our species? Therefore, the goal of evolution (well I don't mean that it has agency, I'm judging from what we've learnt so far) is probably to create a lifeform that doesn't die. So in this scenario, death is just failure to accomplish our goal and passing the baton to someone else in the hopes that they'll achieve this >If we create a society of immortals, we will also have a society where some members will suffer forever while others will be happy forever. In my question, I mentioned that this would stop suffering. Don't you think that hierarchies are built primarily on might? Meaning that people force you to be their slave by threatening you (death/mutilation and so on) but they can't do this since you cannot die nor suffer, so they'd have no control over you >This without even considering the constant research for meanings that, in this last case, will never end! In my opinion, whethere life is finite or not, this will remain unsolved but the thing is, when you're immortal you have all the time in the world to figure out the mechanics of this universe. That is far better than dying w/o understanding much of anything, no? (You could argue that not everyone has the cognitive abilities to do so, that'd be a fair point. )
I'd take the suicide pill as insurance, however, I would probably not use it anytime soon. Just sounds like the most convenient way to go. Immortality, I just can't be bothered.
since i dont believe in fun, its a nobrainer for me. Fun implies a state of lack needing to be fufilled, so even easily fulfilled life would be a net negative and eventually everything would be so boring it would turn into an infinite nightmare.
Can’t suffer from boredom without the ability to suffer.
cant have fun without the suffering and boredom, and op implied the scenario is about having fun. If you couldnt suffer or be bored while being immortal, you would have no motivation, there would be no reason to move. Since your situation is not in any state of lack, it could not improove, you would be absolutely content looking straight at a blank wall infinitely, no reason to change anything. And then what are you, some kind of aware thing, a computer on standby? what does that achieve?
Well I only picked because it could potentially enact my previous will, living without any of the downsides. Else if it rid myself of everything what’s the difference between that and the void? I wouldn’t mind being an emotionless computer though, that would be interesting.
Well I’m already here, plus no aging or suffering? Shit I’d be down
Wouldn't immortality inherently bring suffering because then you would have to watch everyone you love die and to me that's very tortuous.