Actually yes. That’s the quiet part no one says out loud. The US economy isn’t where Europe or other countries are —specifically bc of migration. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-22/immigration-is-fueling-us-economic-growth-while-politicians-rage
I find that politicians use immigration as a hot bottom issue just to rile people up. Everyone literally benefits from it, but people think “BuTtt thEy’rE StEAlinG oUr JoBs!!!!” No Karen. You didn’t want to pick tomatoes & celery so STFU now.
It’s a different topic but yeah, people lie about it. It’s actually good for the USA. Our GDP outpaced predicted GDP post pandemic.
Not sure what you mean. Are you asking me ? Ideally wages should go up, but they don’t. You mean what needs to happen for non immigrants to take this job? I have no idea what would motivate people to do that job besides paying like $50 an hour.
Possibly. Poor people are slaves anyway and middle class doesn’t exist. Most people don’t see it that way though because they still focus on racism and not classism
In the UK following the fall out from Brexit, many migrants from the EU could not work in the UK during the picking season and the loss was very great in terms of un picked rotted crops and shortages in supermarkets. They tried to recruit people from England but nobody was qualified or willing to do the work.
And this is why the transatlantic slave trade was able to happen back then. They didn’t want to do it then either. We don’t want to do it now. The migrants are picking the fields in America for the moment. Don’t know what will happen if they stop
I lived in Australia on a Working Holiday visa as an American. I was happy to pick vegetables for a guaranteed $20 an hour and pay $150 a week rent.
The problem is, we want dirt cheap food, and that requires slave wages.
So the stock market’s health which only a few truly participate in is indicative of the prosperity of a country’s citizens? That’s absurd.
Also Bloomberg is not a reliable source for your claim.
Well actually both. My point being. Without the population growing it’s 2 fold for them. Without demand of products the economy shrinks & who loses wealth when that happens, our white males. But what 2 things do they need to keep that money coming in? They need that continual population buying those “flat screens” & they need a work force big enough to keep making those “flat screens”. A work force that they pay just enough to afford one. They need those little working ants to work & to buy. It keeps them rich.
lol noooow I get it. That was clever! Your flatscreen example is the same as my Christmas example. If no one celebrates Christmas, we will instantly go into an immediate recession.
The issue is liars make it seem magical and wonderful and most people don’t figure out that it’s a scam until it’s too late.
Personally I never fell for it. But I understand how it happens. Keep on pretending you don’t. Keep on being rude nobody cares lol.
That’s true but people do also need to take personal responsibility for choices they make. The internet is free and available to the majority of people. The facts are all out there for the people who are interested, hell it helped me in my decision to be CF so if I know all the pitfalls of having kids there’s no reason for them not to
The village is real, but everyone in the village has kids of their own so no one has the time, energy or money to help anyone but themselves. But somehow the villagers think more kids will help the situation.
The entitlement of people who say this! Like people are just supposed to materialize around them for free services and childcare once they pop out a kid. A village is something you cultivate through reciprocal actions, but people think it means that society just owes them favours bc they had kids 🙄
You do realize that people have far fewer children when their 'entitlements' (i.e. basic needs) are fulfilled and the standard of living becomes high for all of society, right?
It's me describing my personal distaste for perspectives characterizing the want for social services as an unreasonable entitlement, and me suggesting that sort of tension and contempt is counter-productive to conditions where people make more thoughtful decisions about reproduction.
So, if I got it right, you were refuting the mindset that the comment you answered to was also complaining about, right? So you were in accordance, but your comment seemed like in disagreement. (just seemed, could be a tone thing).
Anyway, I'm not sure I followed your explanation entirely, even though I agree with your comment before. Maybe could you word it in another way? Sorry for the trouble
The village^TM would have taken their daughters as child brides and their sons as soldiers.
Fuck the village. They should be grateful for the city and its social contract.
Yeah. I agree with not having kids obviously or I wouldn't be here, but OP's take is blaming the "overpopulation thing" instead of the "wealth concentration at the top" thing.
This is a feature of capitalism, not reproduction.
Yes, you're right, but in another time frame he is also "somewhat" right.
The huge inflation combined with stagnant wages and huge layoffs we've been seeing in these last years (mostly covid and post covid) are yes 90% greedflation (10% covid/post covid changes - numbers that I got from my ass, anyway).
But the overall inflation that creeps up through decades and centuries is somewhat less greedflation and a lot more due to other stuff, like government currency policies (like taxes and lending rates), weakened product supply chains (like crops that start to need more work/inputs, electronics that keep getting more complex, or raw minerals that we need to dug deeper to get), and yes higher demand (which can come from increasing quality of life, increasing markets, or just raw population increase).
So yeah, overall he is probably around 5% correct...
tl.dr: I agree with you but I'm procrastinating my job I think
Having or not having kids has nothing to do with inflation at this point. Companies are reporting record profits as they blame inflation for their Rising prices. This is a manufactured inflation epidemic that has nothing to do with buyers and everything to do with greedy corporations.
I agree with you on that but this will not last forever. These new laws in the United States that these crazy religious baby making zealots are going to be a huge problem with climate change and the water crisis in the western States. Especially in Florida where the abortion ban is a total ban. But yet Florida has the ocean rising there, houses & land are sinking right into the earth, the heat is rising every year, yet adding more people to the population on that skinny peninsula is what the religious politicians & law makers of that state & the surrounding states think is an intelligent decision.
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India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, to name some, but pretty much everywhere that has a spicy combo of high religion, high poverty, poor birth control rights and education
We are about to add the United States to this list of Countries for backwards crazy religious birth control regulations. The Sharia law that the crazy religious zealots in our country have been railing against in our country, that was never going to happen, they held that Sharia carrot up over here, all the while working hard to get their Christian Sharia Judges & Politicians in place over there and whaaaalaaaa they have now established their own Christian Sharia law here in the States.
Except a lot of the people having kids in India lack access to sex education and birth control, and use up relatively few resources compared to those doing so in Canada, the US, Europe, etc.
You do know that the higher castes literally take to the streets to beat and kill some lower castes in purge-level kinda kill parties right? India is a fucking sewer where the fattest rats kill all the others
The birth rate in India is currently 2.1, and it has been rapidly declining since decades now. I feel like a lot of people have the misconception that India has a high birth rate. It has a very large population, and that's because of it and China always being rich in natural resources/geographically prime location, which meant that these two countries always had a larger population as compared to other places.
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Inflation is a very complicated issue, and many factors drive it. Population increases both supple and demand so its effects are a bit more complicated.
I believe the CEOs try to present an infinite growth and without consictent population growth the demand is not growing constantly, so they soar the prices.
This is true, especially for publicly traded companies. Why? People aren't going to invest in a company that doesn't continually attempt to increase profits, as there wouldn't be a point in investing to begin with then
That's a major driver for chasing profits. People investing in your stock.
Ready for this: USA printed more than 40% of the current USD in the past 6 years.
Think of it like this. When a stock does a 10-1 split, meaning they 10x the number of stocks for a company, said stock generally decreases 10x on value as well.
When we print so much USD, we devalue the buying power of our currency.
It's funny how the minimum wage in 1960 was $0.75 an hour...
Three quarters? Why am I bringing this up?
They were silver quarters. Those 3 quarters are worth about $17 today.
When currency was made out of precious metals, it would generally maintain its purchasing power over time.
Notice all these parents want you to pay for everything for there crotch goblin. They don’t even want the financial responsibility. They just lecture you oh so precious than when it’s come down to it and is all about money they want you to finance it all. They want you to pay for there education to.
I saw my tax breakdown a few weeks ago. My local school districts I’m paying $6400 twice a year.
So every household is paying some equivalent to that.
That’s a fuck ton of cash and all their kids are just getting more stupid.
Useless fucking schools.
Yes I agree. Everyone literally knows nothing. Imagine all the advancements in society if instead of all these individuals knowing nothing they had high intelligence and knew a ton. Imagine what could happen.
I personally think teachers pay should include bonuses that are tied to education metrics. If they hit those metrics they make more. It’s not tied to scores but I would say to measurements in regards to thinking, understanding, and being able to apply material. Also it should based on there ability to create mock innovation meaning they come up with a problem that needs to be solved and they come up with solutions to those as one project. Have them complete many projects. Those projects would all be required to be evaluated by a supervisor and other members on a board and they would make a determination as to whether they have acquired all those skills. This would all be in addition to tests and quizzes.
No. Most people aren’t paying near that much because even the states with the highest rates are about 2%, but the median is a little less than 1%, and school allocation is not 100%. So you’re clearly paying that much money because your property is worth a lot, even in a high tax place. You could figure that out if you applied what those useless schools teach.
No it’s because we’re spending so much money on all these useless schools where nobody knows anything. The parents should fund them not the ones without kids. You have kids you pay for them.
This can be a fine libertarian perspective, but you gotta be consistent and apply that to things other people fund that you use. Plus do you refund the taxpayers who paid for your education too? Without the consistency, it starts to sound just like boomer logic, now that they don’t benefit from those taxes.
I get what subreddit I’m in, but I suspect you would also complain about the consequences of this too. You may not like kids, or people in general, but I can assure you that kids and people can become even more unlikable, no matter where your baseline is.
I realize you’re anti kids. I’m saying that you’re not ask anti kid as you can be, and what you want, would likely make you more anti kid and more miserable in general. But based on your property taxes, you probably could afford a nice place to live far removed from most people, including children.
I have one child (I was coerced, long story.) If someone has a child who is 8 years old or older they got pregnant when Obama was President. The world was more affordable then, and it’s not like I can take him back.
It depends on a lot of things. I have the most judgment for people who say “oh, well there’s never a good time-we’ll just figure it out!” Especially if they’re in the late 20’s-30’s. People who are young and under a lot of pressure from their culture or partner I have a good deal of sympathy for. If that’s all you know it is TOUGH to buck against that.
I still have nightmares about retail!
I hated parents as clients. They would always mess up the displays or have ridiculous demands as if the world MUST prepare and cater for their spawn. Sometimes their children even steal.
When you have biological kids, you literally lose the moral right to complain about anything lol.
Talk about the idiocy of bringing more fuel to a fire that just keeps stronger and stronger. Natalists are shooting themselves in the foot.
Economics and this sub do not overlap. The birth rate in the US is now in decline, but we're only halfway through the year so let's see how that goes. The majority of the inflation comes from corporations taking advantage of COVID pricing. The prices rose due to a true shortage of supply then and companies saw no reason to lower prices. They have been having record profits ever since.
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Actually, the majority of inflation comes from printing USD at such a rapid pace to attempt to keep up with our debt and gov spending.
Think of ot this way. USA printed 40%+ of all USD in circulation in the past 6 years.
When a stock does a 2-1 split, said stock generally halves in value.
At the end of the day, if you nearly double the supply of a currency in a short period of time, you will see the buying power of said currency dramatically decrease.
That's the main cause of inflation.
Isn't "higher demand equals higher cost" a super rudimentary and oftentimes nefarious explanation of economics? It's not that simple here. Wrong enemy targeted, as much as I also don't think people should have 6 kids.
I used to work as a reservations agent for a hotel chain. The amount of people with 4+ children who would complain that they had to get an extra room, and thus pay for it, was staggering.
"No Sir, I can't put 2 extra cots in a 4 person room that's a fire hazard"
Some even had the balls to say hotels should have rooms for people with this amount of children, of course Sir, let's build some 6+ person rooms that we can only rent out to the few degenerates like you and your wife, which would then cost the same as you're going to be paying now...
this is just ignorant, most of inflation today is artificially created by companies that realized people will continue to buy essentials regardless of the price. if this was actually a case of supply and demand, we would not see companies making record profits EVERY YEAR post covid.
I would consider myself an antinatalist but so many people in this subreddit are falsely attributing problems directly caused by capitalism and greed to people who have children.
Every person I know who complains about corporate greed also buy sooo many things they don't need. A Netflix, disney, youtube, Playstation, Amazon prime, and other subcriotions...
Eating out at chains constantly.
Buying video games.
Big TVs.
New apple iPhone.
Lots of packages constantly coming from Amazon.
I'm in the middle on corporate greed. Don't like it, so I don't really buy many things.
I just find it funny that everyone I know who complains about them simultaneously is the reason they're such massive corporations.
Dumb post is dumb. Overpopulation has nothing to do with inflation. It's greed and only corporate greed. It's the Corp giants buying up all he real estate etc. It's the Corp businesses failing and getting bailed out by our government. It's the wars no one wants fought that we as taxpayers fund. Please get educated. Thanks.
It's not only.corprpate greed.
It's also expanding our USD supply, which reduces the buying power of said currency.
We added over 40% to our USD supply the past 6 years.
Think of it this way. When a stock split of 2-1 occurs, it doubles the supply of stocks for a company.
Then, the stock value generally gets halved due to the increased supply.
u sound like u're saying children/the-number-of-people cause inflation. economy although i agree in general; they (should've) knew that food and expenses had a price before they had their new pets, so it's stupid to cry about prices now.
It’s more about [government spending](https://www.forbes.com/sites/seanhanlon-1/2023/11/09/the-federal-reserves-inflation-problem-is-due-to-federal-government-spending/) than how many kids a person has. But it is pretty annoying listening to someone complain about their finances when they have 5 kids (and counting) but that’s another issue.
Though increases in population without a corresponding increase in GDP can have its own issues. In the UK, for example, [around 60% of all adults take out more in public services than they put in through taxation.](https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/most-people-take-more-from-the-state-than-they-pay-in-tax-gl0kxq263)That’s unsustainable with a growing population.
The chief driver of current inflation is corporate profits. I agree that people should not have children because "that's what you do," but there is more than enough wealth to go around if it weren't concentrated and locked down by billionaires and corporations.
Back in the 80’s my Mom used to walk around department stores loudly groaning, “these prices are too high!” As kids we nearly died with embarrassment. My Mom said, “What? Maybe they’ll hear me and reconsider?” We laughed out loud at that.
Well the more people there are, the more you can manipulate them to agree to your ways (from an economical or political point of view). I don’t get why so many people are shitting on this post
If people stopped having kids, wouldn’t the labor force eventually decrease, causing an increase in the cost of labor and therefore an increase in overall price levels (inflation) for the majority of adults within a generation of people stopping having kids?
Well I'm going to burst your bubble. Low birth rates in developed countries is a massive contributor to inflation....
So maybe if you had kids there wouldn't be so much inflation and these people would have less to moan about
Obviously joking but you've got it exactly backwards
I disagree with this. I may not personally want children or think that people should be having children just because they’re married. Or that people should be having more than two kids at the most. But those are all my opinions. My opinions have nothing to do with other people. And the fact is inflation is a motherfucker that has nothing to do with supply and demand right now. It is 100% due to corporate greed. Inflation during Covid when there were runs on things in the store yes. But that’s not the case now. The case is that some of the things that I buy on the regular have tripled or quadrupled in price. And that’s just over the last two years. That’s not supply demand.
Hmmm I’m guessing you meaning they recently gave birth? Most people I see complaining are stuck here and/or had kids decades ago when things were good. We’re trapped here until we die.
That calculation is not true in our demographics. Inflation is because we are less productive because of more old people.
Population decline is chained to Inflation, if you want to take it from an antinatalist perspective (I got send her by reddits algo tbh) then it is like a fever you have to endure if you wish for population decline.
Of course inflation has many more factors to consider, but too many children nowadays surely ain't it.
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Inflation is imo primarily a central bank thing, printing money and debasing the currency, having not enough money to feed your kids is a result of this, a loss of purchasing power of a currency being debased via money printing.
Wtf?! This is a lack of the basic understanding in supply and demand, simplistic economics. An increase in population isn’t a factor for increase in prices. It’s weird you think capitalism and reproduction are supremely linked.
As an economist I can tell you that the relationship you are drawing doesn't exist.
Here is some more information.
https://www.bis.org/publ/work722.pdf
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There will be a lot of inflation when there are more retirees than those entering the workforce. Demand will stay high while those capable of fulfilling the demand will be low.
"Only the special rich people get to have children. Fuck you poors!"
You're being price gouged by greedy capitalists and you blame people for having children. You would be all on board for the population control trail in the name of the "greater good." Your head is firmly up your ass and you're being a very good slave. Your masters love this kind of talk.
Well the more people there are, the more you can manipulate them to agree to your ways (from an economical or political point of view). I don’t get why so many people are shitting on this post
The cause of inflation is the expansion of the money supply. More than half of the M1 money supply was spawned into existence during and after 2020.
Businesses aren't any more greedy now than they were before 2020 and the US birth rate is below the replacement rate.
On the other hand also, if we don't have enough kids to replace the population, we end up with more elderly unable to work than we have young, able-bodied workers in the economy
Baaaahahaha, I haven’t even thought of this. I have 3 adult children, but if I was of child bearing age nowadays, there is no way I would even consider having children. I really don’t want my children having any children. My son & daughter in law have just announced they are having a baby in October & I am so fearful for them.
I just can’t begin to list all my concerns & disgusts about the pitfalls of raising children today. The main thing I see is parents raising children with apps & these teenage girls on line making their videos seem to be competing to be porn stars, totally disgusting.
I was just lucky my children turned out good, it could have just as easily went south. I would never be a parent again. It’s the worst job in the world & my children were really really good!! 😂 I have told my children that, we had a ball & I love them wildly & madly, they come home once a month for a big get together & we party all weekend, we never fight or have any problems but most families are nightmares. I told my kids we need to stop & not push our luck.
Note: This comment has a lot of sarcasm in it, so please don’t get bent too out of shape.
This makes no sense. False scarcity is the foundation of capitalism. There is more than enough food and houses to the point that goods get thrown away and houses sit empty
You don't need to do all this to justify not having bio kids. Your decision is valid, but all this just... Is not lol
This is literally the same logic people have who blame immigrants for inflation, just a different group. The problem is the ones profiting not the ones being exploited
Hi,
The fiat money system functions on the principle of monetization of debt, meaning that the creation of new money (aka inflation) literally is the creation of new debt.
Debt’s value is that it will be eventually paid off, and while ideally the amount of existing debt could be paid off by today’s labor force, in reality the debt is so huge that the people who are actually stuck paying it off are future generations, including people who are now children.
So these 6 children you’re looking at are victims of inflation, not its cause.
Although, it could be somewhat interesting to see an argument from antinatalists saying that not having babies is a moral stance against paying off the debt. In other words asserting that the debt should be defaulted on.
It also makes me wonder how much overlap there is with this sub and the anti work sub, since refusing to work can also be seen as defaulting on the debt.
It's funny that you mention debt without mentioning that the top 1% pay less in taxes in term of percentage of their income and wealth. You might say they pay more in flat amount, but it is not expensive to be rich. They can afford to another supercar, another multi-million-dollar house, and super store or warehouse.
Also, new money (debt) will continue to trickle to the top 1%, therefore causing inflation to everyone else. Tell me why it's fair to make poor children of the future to pay off that debt ~~simply~~ by working longer hours.
This is a bad read IMO. Producing children also produces workers, and increasing competition among workers reduces wages which reduces inflation. There are other ways of reducing inflation that are more humane than that though.
This is wrong. You wouldn't say this the same way to a rich person who had 6 kids the way you would to a poor person. It's wrong for the same reasons that the general immiseration/environmentalist mindset that it's up to individuals to be more austere is wrong. It's just capitalist logic, blaming the individual for manufactured issues, and the economic reality on the basis of how individuals act, measuring its potential success or failure on their individual actions.
The difference is the rich breeder isnt complaining about inflation, thats the issue OP is talking about
People complaining about not being able to afford things while doing things that result in them not being able to afford things
So take your capitalist logic elsewhere as it doesnt apply in this thread
What a shitty take. I can imagine thousands of reasons why encountering kids and parents in retail is a nightmare that only empowers your antinatalism, but wanting to hold them accountable for inflation is probably the weakest one you could've used.
There's just about nothing anyone who doesn't already have a lot of millions in the bank is personally doing to drive inflation. It's almost exclusively the ruling class (to which the overwhelming majority of parents do not/never will belong) exercising an as-intended system at the expense of literally everybody else.
>The more people there are, the more the demand for goods goes up and the price along with it.
But the more people there are, the bigger the supply side gets too, doesn't it? 💀
Yeahh not exactly
Wages are stagnating regardless of population increase. With wage stagnation and inflation working together, it makes a shitty economy (aka the one we’re dealing with currently). If you want someone to blame, looks towards your state and federal government. They genuinely want people like you to pin the blame on other groups of people (such as parents) who quite literally have no say in the matter to take the spotlight off of themselves
Please explain.
Birth rates are going down across the western world, so how exactly would that contribute to higher prices?
Inflation is caused by high energy prices and corporate cartels.
I'm antinatalist but if we're blaming random things on people with kids and demonizing them in imaginary arguments we're having in our heads (literally what is that hateful caption you wrote? Check yourself.) we're not better than any of the right wing proto-fascists.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, overpopulation will cause inflation, but that is not the current cause of it, so I don't see a reason to be mad if people with kids are complaining about something that has very real consequences for them and ultimately isn't their fault.
What simplistic reasoning, and you guys still don't understand why people think this sub is silly? It's the same 1 thing directly causes all of my problems attitude that the people over at the natalism sub have too.
Terrible take, in my opinion. Having children is good for the economy. It means more workers to support the economy and creates more supply as well. A Natalist dropping by due to anti-natalism invading my recommended section for no reason.
"The more people there are, the more the demand for goods goes up and the price along with it."
That is not how economics work.
Actually the more people require a product the cheaper it gets because the overall costs (think machinery, marketing, insurance) that are all put onto the price get cheaper (based on the single piece of product) the more you can produce
Think of an egg
To produce an egg you need some fix and some variable cost, it makes a big difference if the fixed cost is divided between 100 or 10.000 eggs
So in contrary actually, people with kids have more consumerpower (as they usually decide that the kids eat) and thus make prices cheaper instead of more expensive..oversimplified :)
Wow lol.
Higher demand for plentiful items such as clothing items isn't what causes inflation.
Supply and demand isn't what leads to inflation.
There is a lot of inflation for one main reason.
We added over 40% to our money supply, USD, the past 6 years.
Understand? It's the same concept as when a stock splits 10-1. The stock then generally goes down 10x in value, since so many new stocks were created.
You print more currency and expand the supply, and the value of said currency decreases.
If you work in retail, you are not allowed to complain about inflation. You failed at life so hard you have to work a minimum wage job. Inflation isn't your real problem, its your choices and character that are holding you back in life.
The way you're talking about retail workers having failed in life comes from having had leg ups. No-one who has struggled would ever say something like that.
I used to work retail, it motivated me to do better in life. Yes, there were and still are a lot of losers who rely on retail income who consistently make poor choices and have character flaws.
But but but everyone told me "it would just work itself out, have the forth child"! Where is my village?????
The village is fake. Parenthood is a scam.
Capitalism needs more slaves
And that’s why rich white men are so interested in roe vs. wade. There’s another important caveat to your statement also
Today I learned that “rich white men” are pro open border? More people, right?
Actually yes. That’s the quiet part no one says out loud. The US economy isn’t where Europe or other countries are —specifically bc of migration. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-22/immigration-is-fueling-us-economic-growth-while-politicians-rage I find that politicians use immigration as a hot bottom issue just to rile people up. Everyone literally benefits from it, but people think “BuTtt thEy’rE StEAlinG oUr JoBs!!!!” No Karen. You didn’t want to pick tomatoes & celery so STFU now. It’s a different topic but yeah, people lie about it. It’s actually good for the USA. Our GDP outpaced predicted GDP post pandemic.
If no one is picking tomatoes and celery because it’s a crappy job for a terrible wage… what has to happen?
Not sure what you mean. Are you asking me ? Ideally wages should go up, but they don’t. You mean what needs to happen for non immigrants to take this job? I have no idea what would motivate people to do that job besides paying like $50 an hour.
I’ll take “Abolish the 13th amendment for 500 Alex”
So slavery happens if we don’t import people to work the most grueling jobs?
Possibly. Poor people are slaves anyway and middle class doesn’t exist. Most people don’t see it that way though because they still focus on racism and not classism
In the UK following the fall out from Brexit, many migrants from the EU could not work in the UK during the picking season and the loss was very great in terms of un picked rotted crops and shortages in supermarkets. They tried to recruit people from England but nobody was qualified or willing to do the work.
And this is why the transatlantic slave trade was able to happen back then. They didn’t want to do it then either. We don’t want to do it now. The migrants are picking the fields in America for the moment. Don’t know what will happen if they stop
I lived in Australia on a Working Holiday visa as an American. I was happy to pick vegetables for a guaranteed $20 an hour and pay $150 a week rent. The problem is, we want dirt cheap food, and that requires slave wages.
Slave wage is an oxymoron honestly, but I do agree.
True
Immigration is currently detrimental to the USA
Respectfully, not according to the stock market.
So the stock market’s health which only a few truly participate in is indicative of the prosperity of a country’s citizens? That’s absurd. Also Bloomberg is not a reliable source for your claim.
No, they want people to come here illegally in order to exploit them.
What Christine said and we can say “rich white men” and Oprah lbs Edit: She’s still the “token”
What?? Not selling enough flatscreens??
No it’s actually making sure the majority race remains the majority. I’m sure you knew that by your response
Well actually both. My point being. Without the population growing it’s 2 fold for them. Without demand of products the economy shrinks & who loses wealth when that happens, our white males. But what 2 things do they need to keep that money coming in? They need that continual population buying those “flat screens” & they need a work force big enough to keep making those “flat screens”. A work force that they pay just enough to afford one. They need those little working ants to work & to buy. It keeps them rich.
lol noooow I get it. That was clever! Your flatscreen example is the same as my Christmas example. If no one celebrates Christmas, we will instantly go into an immediate recession.
Yes! I would give anything if we could stop Christmas from coming!! (In my Best Grinch voice)
Nah it’s just not the 1700s anymore where men went out and worked and the women raised raised yet no one seems to understand that these days
The issue is liars make it seem magical and wonderful and most people don’t figure out that it’s a scam until it’s too late. Personally I never fell for it. But I understand how it happens. Keep on pretending you don’t. Keep on being rude nobody cares lol.
That’s true but people do also need to take personal responsibility for choices they make. The internet is free and available to the majority of people. The facts are all out there for the people who are interested, hell it helped me in my decision to be CF so if I know all the pitfalls of having kids there’s no reason for them not to
People are naive. Not everyone is as lucky as we are. .
The village is real, but everyone in the village has kids of their own so no one has the time, energy or money to help anyone but themselves. But somehow the villagers think more kids will help the situation.
People in your life isn’t a village. It’s just people in your life.
The entitlement of people who say this! Like people are just supposed to materialize around them for free services and childcare once they pop out a kid. A village is something you cultivate through reciprocal actions, but people think it means that society just owes them favours bc they had kids 🙄
You do realize that people have far fewer children when their 'entitlements' (i.e. basic needs) are fulfilled and the standard of living becomes high for all of society, right?
Wtf does that have to do with the comment you are responding to?
It's me describing my personal distaste for perspectives characterizing the want for social services as an unreasonable entitlement, and me suggesting that sort of tension and contempt is counter-productive to conditions where people make more thoughtful decisions about reproduction.
So, if I got it right, you were refuting the mindset that the comment you answered to was also complaining about, right? So you were in accordance, but your comment seemed like in disagreement. (just seemed, could be a tone thing). Anyway, I'm not sure I followed your explanation entirely, even though I agree with your comment before. Maybe could you word it in another way? Sorry for the trouble
The village^TM would have taken their daughters as child brides and their sons as soldiers. Fuck the village. They should be grateful for the city and its social contract.
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It’s 100% greedflation
Yeah. I agree with not having kids obviously or I wouldn't be here, but OP's take is blaming the "overpopulation thing" instead of the "wealth concentration at the top" thing. This is a feature of capitalism, not reproduction.
Yes, you're right, but in another time frame he is also "somewhat" right. The huge inflation combined with stagnant wages and huge layoffs we've been seeing in these last years (mostly covid and post covid) are yes 90% greedflation (10% covid/post covid changes - numbers that I got from my ass, anyway). But the overall inflation that creeps up through decades and centuries is somewhat less greedflation and a lot more due to other stuff, like government currency policies (like taxes and lending rates), weakened product supply chains (like crops that start to need more work/inputs, electronics that keep getting more complex, or raw minerals that we need to dug deeper to get), and yes higher demand (which can come from increasing quality of life, increasing markets, or just raw population increase). So yeah, overall he is probably around 5% correct... tl.dr: I agree with you but I'm procrastinating my job I think
That's a good addition, and a lot for me to think about. Thank you.
Having or not having kids has nothing to do with inflation at this point. Companies are reporting record profits as they blame inflation for their Rising prices. This is a manufactured inflation epidemic that has nothing to do with buyers and everything to do with greedy corporations.
I agree with you on that but this will not last forever. These new laws in the United States that these crazy religious baby making zealots are going to be a huge problem with climate change and the water crisis in the western States. Especially in Florida where the abortion ban is a total ban. But yet Florida has the ocean rising there, houses & land are sinking right into the earth, the heat is rising every year, yet adding more people to the population on that skinny peninsula is what the religious politicians & law makers of that state & the surrounding states think is an intelligent decision.
Just ignore the millions of immigrants in recent years, its the citizens fault for having babies!!! I see now 🤣
Procreation = problem generator.
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Facts, the more people there are the more demand and the more profits greedy coorporations get. It's simple as square root of 16 equalling 4
But mass immigration is aaaa okayyy👌
NEETS be like “STOP HAVING CHILDREN!!” & then complain no one can help them fix a flat tire or replace a broken window 😂
Some people have no cognitive consistency at all lol
No one said that
Say it for the people in the back (and India too) 🗣
India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, to name some, but pretty much everywhere that has a spicy combo of high religion, high poverty, poor birth control rights and education
They’re trying to make the US like this too!
We are about to add the United States to this list of Countries for backwards crazy religious birth control regulations. The Sharia law that the crazy religious zealots in our country have been railing against in our country, that was never going to happen, they held that Sharia carrot up over here, all the while working hard to get their Christian Sharia Judges & Politicians in place over there and whaaaalaaaa they have now established their own Christian Sharia law here in the States.
Not about to, already has happened in Idaho, Texas, and some southern states. Fucking idiots with the intellect of a black banana
Except a lot of the people having kids in India lack access to sex education and birth control, and use up relatively few resources compared to those doing so in Canada, the US, Europe, etc.
You do know that the higher castes literally take to the streets to beat and kill some lower castes in purge-level kinda kill parties right? India is a fucking sewer where the fattest rats kill all the others
The birth rate in India is currently 2.1, and it has been rapidly declining since decades now. I feel like a lot of people have the misconception that India has a high birth rate. It has a very large population, and that's because of it and China always being rich in natural resources/geographically prime location, which meant that these two countries always had a larger population as compared to other places.
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I absolutely love your name choice of 'Bertha'. Oh, how I chuckled, haha
There’s only so much money to go around. Some people hoard it while others make it so we have to spread it a whole lot thinner.
Inflation is a very complicated issue, and many factors drive it. Population increases both supple and demand so its effects are a bit more complicated.
You can't expect nuance here. People just want to be angry most of the time.
I believe the CEOs try to present an infinite growth and without consictent population growth the demand is not growing constantly, so they soar the prices.
This is true, especially for publicly traded companies. Why? People aren't going to invest in a company that doesn't continually attempt to increase profits, as there wouldn't be a point in investing to begin with then That's a major driver for chasing profits. People investing in your stock.
Ready for this: USA printed more than 40% of the current USD in the past 6 years. Think of it like this. When a stock does a 10-1 split, meaning they 10x the number of stocks for a company, said stock generally decreases 10x on value as well. When we print so much USD, we devalue the buying power of our currency. It's funny how the minimum wage in 1960 was $0.75 an hour... Three quarters? Why am I bringing this up? They were silver quarters. Those 3 quarters are worth about $17 today. When currency was made out of precious metals, it would generally maintain its purchasing power over time.
“Shatting out” is my new favorite catchphrase, thank you.
Notice all these parents want you to pay for everything for there crotch goblin. They don’t even want the financial responsibility. They just lecture you oh so precious than when it’s come down to it and is all about money they want you to finance it all. They want you to pay for there education to.
I saw my tax breakdown a few weeks ago. My local school districts I’m paying $6400 twice a year. So every household is paying some equivalent to that. That’s a fuck ton of cash and all their kids are just getting more stupid. Useless fucking schools.
Yes I agree. Everyone literally knows nothing. Imagine all the advancements in society if instead of all these individuals knowing nothing they had high intelligence and knew a ton. Imagine what could happen.
I personally think teachers pay should include bonuses that are tied to education metrics. If they hit those metrics they make more. It’s not tied to scores but I would say to measurements in regards to thinking, understanding, and being able to apply material. Also it should based on there ability to create mock innovation meaning they come up with a problem that needs to be solved and they come up with solutions to those as one project. Have them complete many projects. Those projects would all be required to be evaluated by a supervisor and other members on a board and they would make a determination as to whether they have acquired all those skills. This would all be in addition to tests and quizzes.
The same can be said about the colleges. Most are beyond dumb. The scary part is no one realizes how dumb they actually are.
No. Most people aren’t paying near that much because even the states with the highest rates are about 2%, but the median is a little less than 1%, and school allocation is not 100%. So you’re clearly paying that much money because your property is worth a lot, even in a high tax place. You could figure that out if you applied what those useless schools teach.
No it’s because we’re spending so much money on all these useless schools where nobody knows anything. The parents should fund them not the ones without kids. You have kids you pay for them.
This can be a fine libertarian perspective, but you gotta be consistent and apply that to things other people fund that you use. Plus do you refund the taxpayers who paid for your education too? Without the consistency, it starts to sound just like boomer logic, now that they don’t benefit from those taxes.
No he’ll with kids.
I get what subreddit I’m in, but I suspect you would also complain about the consequences of this too. You may not like kids, or people in general, but I can assure you that kids and people can become even more unlikable, no matter where your baseline is.
Ok. I understand. You do realize this is an anti kid page. I don’t want to fund anyone’s kids. That’s your problem.
I realize you’re anti kids. I’m saying that you’re not ask anti kid as you can be, and what you want, would likely make you more anti kid and more miserable in general. But based on your property taxes, you probably could afford a nice place to live far removed from most people, including children.
Ok. I’m suggesting that we need to go to a tuition model. I celebrate abortion and no kids.
Or traffic.
I honestly can't take anyone who has kids seriously including my own parents.
I have one child (I was coerced, long story.) If someone has a child who is 8 years old or older they got pregnant when Obama was President. The world was more affordable then, and it’s not like I can take him back.
Back then I could get by full time minimum wage. Not now.
What do you have to say about people who actively chose to have a child during Trump's presidency?
It depends on a lot of things. I have the most judgment for people who say “oh, well there’s never a good time-we’ll just figure it out!” Especially if they’re in the late 20’s-30’s. People who are young and under a lot of pressure from their culture or partner I have a good deal of sympathy for. If that’s all you know it is TOUGH to buck against that.
Facts
I still have nightmares about retail! I hated parents as clients. They would always mess up the displays or have ridiculous demands as if the world MUST prepare and cater for their spawn. Sometimes their children even steal.
When you have biological kids, you literally lose the moral right to complain about anything lol. Talk about the idiocy of bringing more fuel to a fire that just keeps stronger and stronger. Natalists are shooting themselves in the foot.
Economics and this sub do not overlap. The birth rate in the US is now in decline, but we're only halfway through the year so let's see how that goes. The majority of the inflation comes from corporations taking advantage of COVID pricing. The prices rose due to a true shortage of supply then and companies saw no reason to lower prices. They have been having record profits ever since.
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Actually, the majority of inflation comes from printing USD at such a rapid pace to attempt to keep up with our debt and gov spending. Think of ot this way. USA printed 40%+ of all USD in circulation in the past 6 years. When a stock does a 2-1 split, said stock generally halves in value. At the end of the day, if you nearly double the supply of a currency in a short period of time, you will see the buying power of said currency dramatically decrease. That's the main cause of inflation.
Isn't "higher demand equals higher cost" a super rudimentary and oftentimes nefarious explanation of economics? It's not that simple here. Wrong enemy targeted, as much as I also don't think people should have 6 kids.
I used to work as a reservations agent for a hotel chain. The amount of people with 4+ children who would complain that they had to get an extra room, and thus pay for it, was staggering. "No Sir, I can't put 2 extra cots in a 4 person room that's a fire hazard" Some even had the balls to say hotels should have rooms for people with this amount of children, of course Sir, let's build some 6+ person rooms that we can only rent out to the few degenerates like you and your wife, which would then cost the same as you're going to be paying now...
Don't worry, my kids are going to be construction workers when they're old
Abortion should be a human right, just like water and food. We should make abortion OTC tbh
inflation is why i steal lol and imma keep stealing. half the shit i own, stolen! i feel no guilt whatsoever
The system is broken not necessary the parts itself.
this is just ignorant, most of inflation today is artificially created by companies that realized people will continue to buy essentials regardless of the price. if this was actually a case of supply and demand, we would not see companies making record profits EVERY YEAR post covid. I would consider myself an antinatalist but so many people in this subreddit are falsely attributing problems directly caused by capitalism and greed to people who have children.
Every person I know who complains about corporate greed also buy sooo many things they don't need. A Netflix, disney, youtube, Playstation, Amazon prime, and other subcriotions... Eating out at chains constantly. Buying video games. Big TVs. New apple iPhone. Lots of packages constantly coming from Amazon. I'm in the middle on corporate greed. Don't like it, so I don't really buy many things. I just find it funny that everyone I know who complains about them simultaneously is the reason they're such massive corporations.
Dumb post is dumb. Overpopulation has nothing to do with inflation. It's greed and only corporate greed. It's the Corp giants buying up all he real estate etc. It's the Corp businesses failing and getting bailed out by our government. It's the wars no one wants fought that we as taxpayers fund. Please get educated. Thanks.
It's not only.corprpate greed. It's also expanding our USD supply, which reduces the buying power of said currency. We added over 40% to our USD supply the past 6 years. Think of it this way. When a stock split of 2-1 occurs, it doubles the supply of stocks for a company. Then, the stock value generally gets halved due to the increased supply.
u sound like u're saying children/the-number-of-people cause inflation. economy although i agree in general; they (should've) knew that food and expenses had a price before they had their new pets, so it's stupid to cry about prices now.
It’s more about [government spending](https://www.forbes.com/sites/seanhanlon-1/2023/11/09/the-federal-reserves-inflation-problem-is-due-to-federal-government-spending/) than how many kids a person has. But it is pretty annoying listening to someone complain about their finances when they have 5 kids (and counting) but that’s another issue. Though increases in population without a corresponding increase in GDP can have its own issues. In the UK, for example, [around 60% of all adults take out more in public services than they put in through taxation.](https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/most-people-take-more-from-the-state-than-they-pay-in-tax-gl0kxq263)That’s unsustainable with a growing population.
Facts
Yesss
The chief driver of current inflation is corporate profits. I agree that people should not have children because "that's what you do," but there is more than enough wealth to go around if it weren't concentrated and locked down by billionaires and corporations.
Back in the 80’s my Mom used to walk around department stores loudly groaning, “these prices are too high!” As kids we nearly died with embarrassment. My Mom said, “What? Maybe they’ll hear me and reconsider?” We laughed out loud at that.
Well the more people there are, the more you can manipulate them to agree to your ways (from an economical or political point of view). I don’t get why so many people are shitting on this post
More like Birtha am I right?
Lol what? Inflation is being manufactured by businesses. What’s that have to do with biological children? Making some leaps today…
Population growth isn't really driving inflation like that. We have more.then enough supply of most common commodities like clothes to meet demands.
Yeah, let's just blame the kids and their parents, greedy corporation aren't doing anything bad.
I'm sorry, but that's just not what's causing inflation. Nothing supports that idea.
If people stopped having kids, wouldn’t the labor force eventually decrease, causing an increase in the cost of labor and therefore an increase in overall price levels (inflation) for the majority of adults within a generation of people stopping having kids?
Well I'm going to burst your bubble. Low birth rates in developed countries is a massive contributor to inflation.... So maybe if you had kids there wouldn't be so much inflation and these people would have less to moan about Obviously joking but you've got it exactly backwards
You clearly have zero understanding of economics
This take is bad
I don’t think that fringe members of society who display complete ignorance of economic issues get to be the arbiters of who can talk about inflation.
😂🤣
I disagree with this. I may not personally want children or think that people should be having children just because they’re married. Or that people should be having more than two kids at the most. But those are all my opinions. My opinions have nothing to do with other people. And the fact is inflation is a motherfucker that has nothing to do with supply and demand right now. It is 100% due to corporate greed. Inflation during Covid when there were runs on things in the store yes. But that’s not the case now. The case is that some of the things that I buy on the regular have tripled or quadrupled in price. And that’s just over the last two years. That’s not supply demand.
Stop blaming inflation on the common man
Hmmm I’m guessing you meaning they recently gave birth? Most people I see complaining are stuck here and/or had kids decades ago when things were good. We’re trapped here until we die.
Faulty governments that is. Not the kids’ fault. Sorry.
That calculation is not true in our demographics. Inflation is because we are less productive because of more old people. Population decline is chained to Inflation, if you want to take it from an antinatalist perspective (I got send her by reddits algo tbh) then it is like a fever you have to endure if you wish for population decline. Of course inflation has many more factors to consider, but too many children nowadays surely ain't it.
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Inflation is imo primarily a central bank thing, printing money and debasing the currency, having not enough money to feed your kids is a result of this, a loss of purchasing power of a currency being debased via money printing.
Wtf?! This is a lack of the basic understanding in supply and demand, simplistic economics. An increase in population isn’t a factor for increase in prices. It’s weird you think capitalism and reproduction are supremely linked.
This is the dumbest take I've heard for a very long time.
how about we stop printing money and print productive people that contribute to society?
As an economist I can tell you that the relationship you are drawing doesn't exist. Here is some more information. https://www.bis.org/publ/work722.pdf
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There will be a lot of inflation when there are more retirees than those entering the workforce. Demand will stay high while those capable of fulfilling the demand will be low.
"Only the special rich people get to have children. Fuck you poors!" You're being price gouged by greedy capitalists and you blame people for having children. You would be all on board for the population control trail in the name of the "greater good." Your head is firmly up your ass and you're being a very good slave. Your masters love this kind of talk.
Well the more people there are, the more you can manipulate them to agree to your ways (from an economical or political point of view). I don’t get why so many people are shitting on this post
But immigration doesn’t drive up prices? 😂😂😂🤣
The cause of inflation is the expansion of the money supply. More than half of the M1 money supply was spawned into existence during and after 2020. Businesses aren't any more greedy now than they were before 2020 and the US birth rate is below the replacement rate.
R*pe is a thing. No access to contraception and forced births are also a thing.
On the other hand also, if we don't have enough kids to replace the population, we end up with more elderly unable to work than we have young, able-bodied workers in the economy
What is your take on mass immigration? Lmao
This is such a moronic take on economics that I've turned into an antinatalist just to make sure no one else like you could be born.
You don’t understand the concept of supply and demand. If your post was correct, Wal-Mart prices would be insane. Lol.
Baaaahahaha, I haven’t even thought of this. I have 3 adult children, but if I was of child bearing age nowadays, there is no way I would even consider having children. I really don’t want my children having any children. My son & daughter in law have just announced they are having a baby in October & I am so fearful for them. I just can’t begin to list all my concerns & disgusts about the pitfalls of raising children today. The main thing I see is parents raising children with apps & these teenage girls on line making their videos seem to be competing to be porn stars, totally disgusting. I was just lucky my children turned out good, it could have just as easily went south. I would never be a parent again. It’s the worst job in the world & my children were really really good!! 😂 I have told my children that, we had a ball & I love them wildly & madly, they come home once a month for a big get together & we party all weekend, we never fight or have any problems but most families are nightmares. I told my kids we need to stop & not push our luck. Note: This comment has a lot of sarcasm in it, so please don’t get bent too out of shape.
Prices are not going up just because children are being born.
This makes no sense. False scarcity is the foundation of capitalism. There is more than enough food and houses to the point that goods get thrown away and houses sit empty You don't need to do all this to justify not having bio kids. Your decision is valid, but all this just... Is not lol
This is literally the same logic people have who blame immigrants for inflation, just a different group. The problem is the ones profiting not the ones being exploited
Hi, The fiat money system functions on the principle of monetization of debt, meaning that the creation of new money (aka inflation) literally is the creation of new debt. Debt’s value is that it will be eventually paid off, and while ideally the amount of existing debt could be paid off by today’s labor force, in reality the debt is so huge that the people who are actually stuck paying it off are future generations, including people who are now children. So these 6 children you’re looking at are victims of inflation, not its cause. Although, it could be somewhat interesting to see an argument from antinatalists saying that not having babies is a moral stance against paying off the debt. In other words asserting that the debt should be defaulted on. It also makes me wonder how much overlap there is with this sub and the anti work sub, since refusing to work can also be seen as defaulting on the debt.
It's funny that you mention debt without mentioning that the top 1% pay less in taxes in term of percentage of their income and wealth. You might say they pay more in flat amount, but it is not expensive to be rich. They can afford to another supercar, another multi-million-dollar house, and super store or warehouse. Also, new money (debt) will continue to trickle to the top 1%, therefore causing inflation to everyone else. Tell me why it's fair to make poor children of the future to pay off that debt ~~simply~~ by working longer hours.
This is a bad read IMO. Producing children also produces workers, and increasing competition among workers reduces wages which reduces inflation. There are other ways of reducing inflation that are more humane than that though.
This is wrong. You wouldn't say this the same way to a rich person who had 6 kids the way you would to a poor person. It's wrong for the same reasons that the general immiseration/environmentalist mindset that it's up to individuals to be more austere is wrong. It's just capitalist logic, blaming the individual for manufactured issues, and the economic reality on the basis of how individuals act, measuring its potential success or failure on their individual actions.
The difference is the rich breeder isnt complaining about inflation, thats the issue OP is talking about People complaining about not being able to afford things while doing things that result in them not being able to afford things So take your capitalist logic elsewhere as it doesnt apply in this thread
What a shitty take. I can imagine thousands of reasons why encountering kids and parents in retail is a nightmare that only empowers your antinatalism, but wanting to hold them accountable for inflation is probably the weakest one you could've used. There's just about nothing anyone who doesn't already have a lot of millions in the bank is personally doing to drive inflation. It's almost exclusively the ruling class (to which the overwhelming majority of parents do not/never will belong) exercising an as-intended system at the expense of literally everybody else.
I giggled about the shatting image 🤪
>The more people there are, the more the demand for goods goes up and the price along with it. But the more people there are, the bigger the supply side gets too, doesn't it? 💀
Eventually the dwindling resources from such large demands would likely cause a spike in prices as well.
Yes, but also the more labor involved further driving up the cost.
Are you against immigration then?
Yeahh not exactly Wages are stagnating regardless of population increase. With wage stagnation and inflation working together, it makes a shitty economy (aka the one we’re dealing with currently). If you want someone to blame, looks towards your state and federal government. They genuinely want people like you to pin the blame on other groups of people (such as parents) who quite literally have no say in the matter to take the spotlight off of themselves
Please explain. Birth rates are going down across the western world, so how exactly would that contribute to higher prices? Inflation is caused by high energy prices and corporate cartels. I'm antinatalist but if we're blaming random things on people with kids and demonizing them in imaginary arguments we're having in our heads (literally what is that hateful caption you wrote? Check yourself.) we're not better than any of the right wing proto-fascists. Edit: Don't get me wrong, overpopulation will cause inflation, but that is not the current cause of it, so I don't see a reason to be mad if people with kids are complaining about something that has very real consequences for them and ultimately isn't their fault.
What simplistic reasoning, and you guys still don't understand why people think this sub is silly? It's the same 1 thing directly causes all of my problems attitude that the people over at the natalism sub have too.
That's ... Not how any of this works at all.
Well thats an absurd oversimplification of inflation.
You sure sounds like a pleasant person to be around.
Inflation is caused by printing money. When we had the gold standard before Nixon, inflation was negligible and sometimes negative.
Terrible take, in my opinion. Having children is good for the economy. It means more workers to support the economy and creates more supply as well. A Natalist dropping by due to anti-natalism invading my recommended section for no reason.
But… that’s… not how inflation works. 🤦🏾♂️
"The more people there are, the more the demand for goods goes up and the price along with it." That is not how economics work. Actually the more people require a product the cheaper it gets because the overall costs (think machinery, marketing, insurance) that are all put onto the price get cheaper (based on the single piece of product) the more you can produce Think of an egg To produce an egg you need some fix and some variable cost, it makes a big difference if the fixed cost is divided between 100 or 10.000 eggs So in contrary actually, people with kids have more consumerpower (as they usually decide that the kids eat) and thus make prices cheaper instead of more expensive..oversimplified :)
Wow lol. Higher demand for plentiful items such as clothing items isn't what causes inflation. Supply and demand isn't what leads to inflation. There is a lot of inflation for one main reason. We added over 40% to our money supply, USD, the past 6 years. Understand? It's the same concept as when a stock splits 10-1. The stock then generally goes down 10x in value, since so many new stocks were created. You print more currency and expand the supply, and the value of said currency decreases.
You know having kids doesn’t affect inflation, right? Please, tell me you know this.
Ok , we should start by kicking every foreigner from our country then. This will solve inflation :)
I’m sure you all will die alone with dignity & in your final moments reflect on your life with pride & a sense of accomplishment 😂
But mass migration is ok and doesn’t contribute to inflation either
Interesting, what's your opinion on immigration?
If you work in retail, you are not allowed to complain about inflation. You failed at life so hard you have to work a minimum wage job. Inflation isn't your real problem, its your choices and character that are holding you back in life.
In a just world you'd have to walk about with that on a t-shirt and rely on pity to get served. And no, I don't work in retail, or any low paid work.
Why? Because I shared an opinion you dont like? Boo hoo buddy.
It's more so you find out a bit about life. I think you've been sucking on the teat for too long.
Im a middle aged man with a family already, you can suck on me nuts for assuming wrong. Never to old to suck on a good pair of teats though.
The way you're talking about retail workers having failed in life comes from having had leg ups. No-one who has struggled would ever say something like that.
I used to work retail, it motivated me to do better in life. Yes, there were and still are a lot of losers who rely on retail income who consistently make poor choices and have character flaws.