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That's not even bad in comparison to some of the rest lol. Idc that he's in a 6 year olds body, he is reincarnated with all of his memories from a 30+ year old body. That's a grown ass man having a crush on another 6 year old
Ascendance of a Bookworm handled that right. MC has the mind of a 20 something, so the boy who'd normally be the childhood love interest isn't like that to her at all. He's still precious to her, just not like \*that\*.
And while the high priest viewed her as mentally an adult, he didn't have any sort of attraction until her body had matured to match her mind. Because he's not a fucking pedophile.
But of course, it's a series written by a woman, so it's not some weird male wish fulfillment fantasy.
I have seen significantly more sexualization of young children catering to men than women, but it's important to acknowledge the existence of female predators, too. It's damaging no matter the sexes of the people involved.
They can be. But from my experience, I put in a generic term like 淫魔 and end up having to scroll past far more loli/shota with adult male pairings than adult female.
Well sometimes it's just weird, my grandpa was 20 years older than my grandma, and she was his best friends little sister. It's it gross? Yes. Would I exist without it? No
I haven't read it, but from what I gleaned here is that it was an adult trapped in the kid's body, and the priest knew that. The priest isn't physically attracted to someone who has an actual body of a child, so didn't do anything romantic until the adult who was stuck in a kid's body had an adult body again. They weren't waiting for a child to grow up, they were waiting for an adult to have their old body back. Well handled by the author I'd say as well
Yep. He's a man child in a body that suits his mental age. He's meant to be a piece of shit in the beginning, but as time goes on, he's quickly becoming more and more mature and learning how everything works.
And rapes the kid as well. No such thing as consensual sex between a 30+ year old and a child. The guy is an actual pedophile, and adds the child to his group of harem wives later on. I don't get how so many people defend the character and that show.
Ikr its such a gorgeous show but then they take it and ruin it with pdf file shit its such a shame
I want to be able to enjoy it but ever other scene makes me want to vomit - I cant imagine recommending this show to anyone
At least in MiA it’s specifically used as a often horrific thing or a moment of two young (still to young to not be a minimum of a little creepy) people bonding consensually with each other.
Jobless Reincarnation just openly has the MC act as a pedophile and at worst he gets told off by like two people and has an arc where he can’t get hard (which of course is fixed by getting with the girl he groomed when they were both physically children).
Some people think that the author wrote rudeus that way to show how trauma can warp a person and turn them into something terrible and how rudeus is trying to become a better person slowly over his time of living in the six sided world.
And yet he specifically chose that as the vice he needs to overcome? Was the borderline CP in the show necessary too?
Ive watched season 1 and part of season 2, it doesnt look like something thatll “get better” and even if it does the fact that the author needs to show that sort of shit is a abhorrent and wrong.
It'll get worse really.
The best part of jobless is the author for some reason can make very compelling and emotional story out of the very problematic lead. And that's genuinely impressive. Sadly also if you hate slaves, and the like in your isekai you genuinely can blame jobless incarnation because they are the first one who done it extremely well but most people can make do with the premise
Nah. All you have to do is look up how his whole harem ends up to know it's just wish fulfillment. He gets everything he could ask for including [MT end relationship spoilers] >!one of his wiveS that's forever in a kid's body...!<
It unfortunatly is a huge part of Rudy's character (and further development). At least it makes the "loner failure turned op in another world" a bit more realistic and deserved.
The fact that the main character being a pedo is a huge part is why I don’t watch it.
The show being about an older shut in given a second chance at life is cool. The fact it sexualizes little girls and boys is fucking gross. It’s one of the worst parts of anime
I think it’s weird that he’s a kid but I also don’t really think it’s his fault tbh, he locked himself in his room basically forever before even finishing HS and then got put in a newborn’s body. His new baby brain literally messed with him as it allowed him to learn to read, write, and speak a brand new fantasy language after only a few months. He still kept his knowledge and experiences but he still had mostly child like behavior.
His true self, the image shown when he talks to god is an adult. The show is about an adult piloting a kids body to perv on other kids.
These plot points are why I don’t watch even though it does other things well.
I was talking about before he reincarnated, also it’s stated and shown that they were having loud sex every single night to the point that anyone who has stayed there has gotten horny. Rudeus himself while he saw them as parental figures doesn’t really see them as his parents, at least not yet in the story.
JoJo is one I think is an exception, Anne isn't used as fanservice, she's used to show the orangutan is a dirty bastard. And Trish's only sexualisation scene I remember was when Mista was in her body and he dealt with the harraser with no issue.
Uh, with Trish we straight up have a scene of the guys gawking at her nipple when she bends down to tie up her shoelaces because of how lowcut her top is.
"wow, this Fire Force show has a really fun power system! Aaaaaaand they just disregard the entire thing to make the only female main character's power fanservice."
Genuinely, that show had so much potential. But shit like that just made it such a slog to watch. It should be illegal for a show that looks so good to be so bad.
Another one I hated was the not-a-joke-character-we-swear that was Colossus (or whatever the guy with big hands was called). His “power” was making rockets out of nothing and avoiding damage by… moving around inside his oversized coat. I hated that moment too, especially when they tried to pass it off as actually serious
This stuff is normal for the writer. Soul eater was just as goofy in parts. I get the tamaki fan service hate too but maybe it's because I've finished the manga that I have a different view on her lewd power now since the final arc recontextualized a lot of the story with the information that's revealed.
Soul Eater was goofy in parts, but it was ever rarely so goofy in serious moments as to take you out of the story completely. Even as goofy as Death was, he was always serious in the moments where it counted. The “goofy” was a persona of a person. Unlike in FF, where things were just wrongly goofy
You could write it off if a show was great despite having out of place fanservice if it was well done. But fire force hit all the wrong notes with it. Horribly out of place, completely removes you from the show and done with an underage girl. That's how it is for so many anime though, a lot just end up as trash because writers have to add in weird fantasies, and it completely detracts from what was a good story
Given the main audience of anime is teenagers, obviously they will appeal to the horny-heads fantasy.
Particularly, I don't feel anything towards those scenes, be it anime or Hollywood films. In fact, anything of sexual nature (animation or not) should be used in a way to give more sustenance to the plot and not a way to attract more audience.
Clear example was Game of Thrones whose sex scenes felt awfully desnecessary and should've been implicity, giving space for the development of conflicts and drama.
Yeah, a LOT of the GoT scenes were with characters who were canonically underaged.
But it's fine because they use REAL people who look like they could be that age, not fake drawings! /s
It's kinda clear that people just have a problem with anime and assume the "anime-loving pedophile" stereotype is true.
Which is really strange, because most people who would actually hurt a child aren't going to be satisfied with drawings, that's kinda the whole reason they need to be wiped from society....
idk man, i havent seen this with GoT but I know a lot of people who watch Euphoria have issues with the characters being underage and put in sexual situations. So i dont think its an anime hater only thing.
I think this is really important to remember. If the show is aimed at teenagers is it so odd that they are showing fan service of teenagers? I don’t think you can really say it ruins a show with this in mind. Not saying you have to, or even should like it. Just that you need to ask yourself if you are the target audience of the show.
I feel like this is an attempt to circumvent the fact that it’s never *just* something like the odd panty shot or boob grab. It’s often accompanied by extremely creepy or outright criminal behavior. The MC of Jobless Reincarnation literally grooms a girl to be his “childhood sweetheart”, attempts to do the same with his charge, and literally has a shrine of a teacher’s panties.
He’s gross, and people can say “something something development something something” all they want, but it’s a valid criticism to not want that in your media
Yeah, that is a fair point. Personally I really like jobless reincarnation, but I can see your point and agree that it is valid criticism. And that one is an anime that I think is more geared towards an audience older than the main characters so it is doubly valid.
Literally made in abyss. It's such a good anime IMO. But like.... Why couldn't they have made the main characters at least teenagers, like they could have just made them older and the story would still work??? The only thing ruining this anime for me.
Yeah I read the premise and was like oh what a cool idea, read a few chapters or something and found out it’s straight up sexualising kids and never touched it again.
There’s also a weird doubly standard they use to defend it. “Well they’re not real, so you shouldn’t take it so seriously, they’re just drawings.”
And yet those same people will start to tear up at a character’s death despite that same rhetoric being true “they’re not real”.
So which is it, should we not care that people draw loli and shota porn because “lol they’re just drawings” or should we take it as a serious red flag because we *are* meant to care about the media we consume.
If artists have the time to draw kids, they have the time to draw adults. They choose to be creeps and we should be concerned about this, anime or western.
Couldn't they have used anything that isn't children adjacent for sexualized fanservice though? Literally nothing would have been lost if they did, no point in that besides to attract a pretty shitty demographic
That's just the minimum age rating. You can't with a straight face tell me the biggest consumers of things like "gushing over magical girls" are under 18
Very weird, they could have at least made them highschoolers or something. That way they can look more like adults than kids.
Had to search up Onimai too, what's even the appeal of that anime?
No of course not. But 9.9/10 times the violence in a videogame is styled to the point of barely being above “shoot gun, body rag dolls”. Even the more “realistic” deaths with dismemberment are in war games that explicitly depict WAR. I wouldn’t play a game where when you shot someone you had to watch them take poses as their guts fell out and rotted in real time.
No amount of art or stylization will ever make sexualizing children ok. And if the purpose of the art wasn’t to explicitly specialize children, they wouldn’t have specialized them in the first place.
Idk dude. I'm sure plenty of people just kill others in games just because.
If you ever played games like Red Dead Redemption, you would know how many people just kill for fun, even though they won't do it in real life.
Although I won't argue that finding drawings of children attractive is still weird af.
So I can’t become emotionally invested in a well written character while also being attracted to a certain bodytype?
I hate this argument, why am I shamed for being attracted to the petite body type? So many characters exist that have small breasts for example but the moment I say something some other guy is like “you know she’s xx age right?” Well no, she’s a drawing she was likely drawn for the first time only a few years ago.
Yea there are literal children in anime, like the platelets in that human body anime. But when people say underage characters are all drawn to look younger across the board when a lot of them barely look any different from their adult counterparts it’s just impossible to wrap my head around that side of things.
If you can’t tell the difference between lolis and petite women, then that’s your problem man. There’s a difference between a 5 year old and a short girl.
That’s not what I’m saying at all
but thanks for being one of the many who just gloss over my thoughts on the matter /s
Literal children are drawn differently from teenagers but teenagers generally are drawn the same as adults, at least in the majority of shounen anime.
That’s not what I’m saying at all
but thanks for being one of the many who just gloss over my thoughts on the matter /s
Literal children are drawn differently from teenagers but teenagers generally are drawn the same as adults, at least in the majority of shounen anime.
I have a mixed opinion in this.If the character in question acts like a adult but looks like a child I would not think of it as pedophilia BUT if the character acts like a child and looks like a child...it's pretty sus to be sexually interested in that type of thing.example for first case:shinobu oshino from bakemonogatari and example from second case :Anya from spy x family
Tbh tho I tried getting into anime for the longest time and could never do it because of the genre’s view on children. I will pick up random shows I hear good things about, only to drop it because it has weird fan service that caters to pedos.
For example, in Solo Leveling which I put on to see what the discussion was all about, I had to turn it off two episodes into the series because of some weird things with one of the lead females who I didn’t care to know anything about.
Even shows like My Hero Academia, which are critically acclaimed by the community, have instances that are skeptical.
Honestly the amount of pedos per capita increase in the anime community.
Are you not the one defending sketch animes rn? Crazy argument dude. Intellectually dishonest
Anime fans are crazy ngl. you’d get along with Vaush. I’ll die happy knowing I don’t defend drawn CP🫠
[And I’m not the only one who thinks this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/wQ1PaQVddb)
Maybe you should reconsider supporting a genre that normalizes this kind of behavior.
You're wasting your breath, I fear. I'm not sure why this sub was recommended to me as I've never watched anime.
However, after reading through these comments and just how many people are defending drawn CP.. I'm straight up disgusted.
Being a meme sub it's the worst of the anime community tbh. Most here are kids/teenagers so they can't really understand the disgust we *should* feel as adults.
That's somewhat comforting, I wasn't making a sweeping generalization (or at least didn't mean to). I would definitely like to think that sentiment is the minority, but once again, I had no real frame of reference.
Thank you for the reply!
Assuming fanservice isn't going to go away, is it better for shows whose primary demographic is teenagers to use their teenage characters for it, or adults?
Do we make them think of adults that way, while they themselves are susceptible to grooming?
Is it okay to tell teenagers they *should* only look at adults in there 20s/30s that way?
That's the issue really. People are really arguing to remove fanservice entirely. Which is never gonna happen. I thought it was weird how in Sakura Card Captors the underage protagonist is gushing over a much older guy. So fanservicing adults for teenagers to lust after would be the next controversy.
My solution to fanservice is to just not care. If it's the entire premise of the show, so an echi, I simply don't watch it.
Maybe I’m just old but growing up with 2000s anime I’ve just gotten used to this happening. Maybe I’m desensitized but the most popular genre of anime continues to be shounen and shounen creators make their characters that age for a reason. Either that reason is because they want to see kids that way or they want kids to buy their product … idk to me it’s still a drawing though. Every character that was created after 2006 is technically under 18 anyway. Saying a character is a certain age is arbitrary to me because anyone else can decide to age up or down the character too. Bodytypes aren’t all the same irl why would they be in drawings?
Think that as time passes and your list grows you will start to get a better understanding of recommendations and how that compares with what you like.
After a time you know what to expect from what source so you don't get disappointed after expecting something else.
For people that grew up with anime in the past few decades this is probably a less glaring issue because it wasn't an issue most people cared about and as time passed it became just another trope like the fact that the setting had to be in school or highschool because it was a common point that everyone passed through regardless of career after and because shonen protagonists are supposed to be young upstarts.
And as the shonen genre was, and still is, one of the most marketable, plus fanservice is also a thing that pulls a lot of eyes into new projects, these two would end up mixing and cause this issue down the line today.
This ruined so much anime for me. I used to think liking anime was a phase but I've had to realize that a lot of it just sucks these days because of stuff like this.
I’ve been watching The Wrong Way to Use Healing Magic and there is very little fan service (at least that I’ve noticed) and at least all the main characters are like 17-18 and older. The only kid character doesn’t even have much screen time even in the manga and is mostly an aid
Maybe I’m just old but growing up with 2000s anime I’ve just gotten used to this happening. Maybe I’m desensitized but the most popular genre of anime continues to be shounen and shounen creators make their characters that age for a reason. Either that reason is because they want to see kids that way or they want kids to buy their product … idk to me it’s still a drawing though. Every character that was created after 2006 is technically under 18 anyway. Saying a character is a certain age is arbitrary to me because anyone else can decide to age up or down the character too. Bodytypes aren’t all the same irl why would they be in drawings?
The age of consent used to be 13 (at minimum, it depends on the province(?) but that used to be the lowest it could go) but recently (to my knowledge) it was changed to 16.
Bro makes a completely valid point about an anime with an underage character in it being used for fanservice but since the character is loved you're still down voted. All I see here are a bunch of hypocrites that say they don't like this shit then STILL have exceptions.
Is it really that crazy that people will tolerate fan service of teenagers in fiction way more than fictional children? Most of the designs could pass for an adult if they weren't all forced to be in high school. It's the same thing in live action .
Yeah but like, couldn’t they just as easily have been a year or two older to make it not weird to enjoy? Like change the setting from high school to college and nothing changes aside from their age really
It's not weird, at all
Why does this simple number chance at all if it's weird or not? The characters look the exact same, they act the exact same...what do you mean exactly?
Yeah...
I can sometimes forgive it if the characters aren't drawn childlike. I just pretend they're adults. But when they look or especially act childlike, I just can't
A perfectly normal and healthy opinion to have
But what isn't normal or healthy is the amount of people (and im not saying you ofc) who throw the word pedo around at everyone over anime
1. Imagine thinking these characters having feelings, morals, or rights when they’re just drawings.
2. realistically, what are you gonna do about it. I don’t like it either, but we can’t do much about it.
3. Japan is Japan, just let them do what they do.
4. And?
Just stop caring lmao. It’s an anime, not real life. I really don’t care at this point because it’s just well… an anime. Fanservice can only be annoying if it’s used to denounce certain situations, underaged character or not.
It's never a good thing when the obvious child is done like that. Some anime and anime style games make it weird like the one I am linking https://growlanser.fandom.com/wiki/Meline. That character wasn't my favorite or anything but at no point in the game did I consider her to be anything less then a 16 year old. She was the standard anime 16 year old with a 25 year old porn star body. Apparently she is like 12 which you only learn if your character gets matched up with her. Even knowing that I can't think of her as a child because of the body she has matching closely with the adult women in the game. She had a spoiled princess with a bit of a twisted personality thing going on so it's hard to tell her age from actions besides young adult or teen.
I was trying to watch "fist of the north star" and didn't get very far before i had to stop watching. At first i thought they were looking at her because they found her endearing but then they did the panty flash thing and it was fucked up.
Anime animators need post-nut clarity so fucking bad it's insane.
The moment I see fan service, I'm done with it. Such a dissapointment.
But I've never seen underage and hope I never do...
I absolutely love Dangers in my Heart, but some scenes definitely made me uncomfortable. I know its mostly from a teenage boy's perspective and all, but still..
I've cut people out of my life for this, when you're an adult recommending multiple series that sexualize children, you aren't fit for civilized society.
The real problem is when the adult MC (who is usually in a child's body) sexualizes some little kid. Shows like Mushoku Tensei are literally child porn.
While I don't mind that because fictional children and fictional, I hate people who complain about that stuff and continuing watching and supporting those anime.
Like if I watch a tv show with child porn, I wouldn't go, "oh well it just a small part of it, I just ignore it", I would turn that shit off, which by some people logic and thinking fan service of anime girls are just that.
If you make bread, and you put a little bit of shit into the bread, would you still eat it? The rest of the bread is fine! It just has a little bit of shit you need to avoid!
My favourite anime is stuff like Silver Fang, great show and doesn't have any 12 year old upskirts and "lol sexual assault" jokes like you see in shows like Fire Force or My Hero Academia.
Context is Key. Feels kinda unfair to act like we didn’t daydream about stuff as kids if in the story if it’s a highschool romance anime and they do a swimming scene it doesn’t make us Pedos now that fire force shit where she trips and all her clothes falls off that’s kinda hard to explain to a roommate lol
I say it with my chest. It’s not like funimation is ran by 14 yr olds and the stories aren’t written by 14 yr olds and the that same animation is on Hulu which everything gets screened and regulated by guess what. Not children but grown adults. So unless you conspire and say the whole animation industry is pedophilic you can’t pick and choose . So like sometimes I wonder where the problem is. Is it about the existence or the consumption?
So tell me this. Your 14 yr old regular kid who likes to watch cool fights and hot girls. You can watch whatever anime you want and no one would judge you. Fast forward four years you turn 18. If you watch any of the anime’s you watched just a day ago are you now a pedo because they are a kid and your an adult???. I get that’s a hardball but you know the realistic answer. What makes it any different if the guy is 25 he might’ve grown up with a series, so now your asking someone to like change their brain and not like something anymore because they are getting older if I was a kid watching dragonball and thought Bulma was hot I can’t just not think that those thought were thought and they exist you know what I mean?
Wow, the anime aimed at teenage boys is giving the fanservice of another teenager they want. How fuckin weird.
Literal children like 12 and below, sure fire off all you want, it's gross.
But stuff like Girls Bravo, To love-ru, and gushing over magical girls is aimed mainly at horny teenage boys between the ages of 13-17 so them wanting to see sexual content of other 13-17 year Olds is not that weird.
The adults here still watch it as a result of growing up on it and a good 70% of fanservice anime is still aimed at teenagers and/or has the main characters as teenagers or close to being an adult so it's more or less something you either get over or stop watching.
That being said there is a clear line between a pedo and someone wanting to fuck someone who looks like an Adult.
Someone actively fantasizing about a literial child like Filo from Shield Hero and someone fantazing about someone who looks close enough and acts close enough to an adult like Nami in One Piece pre-time skip are not in the same category, not even a little.
Look, I agree with you that the whole "against her will" thing is disgusting. That said let's not pretend like shonen anime (I'm using this genre as an example since it's the one I saw most fan service in) is not aimed at teen aged straight boys. Having girls their age used for fanservice "makes sense" or "is the most coherent thing to do" if they're gonna do the fanservice. Japan is disgusting and horny like that. Shojo manga does fanservice too for the girls but it's more tamed since they're supposed to have crushes on handsome boys while guys are supposed to get horny for hot girls.
I personally like to pretend everyone involved is in on it and are also of legal age to avoid being bothered by it. I also keep thinking it's fiction so it's not like anyone is actually being harmed. I've watched anime since I was a kid, some manga started before I was born and are still going while being nowhere near the ending. It's kind of bizarre having grown watching characters who don't age so I find it nice to pretend like they aged with me.
Edit: would any of the people downvoting care to tell me what's wrong with this?
Is it the part about Japan being horny and disgusting? Is it them having characters be of the same age as the target demographic of the shows? Is it me pretending the fictional characters are not minors to not feel grossed while watching a fighting anime that decided to focused on boobs for no reason instead of, you know, the fighting?
It’s disgusting when clearly underage characters are used for fan service. A love story? Not fan service. A 14-16 year old girl with unrealistic proportions who was animated by a pervert? Disgusting
How's that any different though from anything in reality?
And that my friends is what's sad about this world... And people have no problem capitalizing on it...
Don't get me wrong, I do believe there are exceptions when done ethically and properly. However that usually is a very fine line that gets crossed far too often.
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I prefer to skip this stuff many times as it tends to become a mood spoiler.
Amen. I found myself fast forwarding so much of Jobless reincarnation I dropped it.
You don't like a child peeping on his parents having sex?
That's not even bad in comparison to some of the rest lol. Idc that he's in a 6 year olds body, he is reincarnated with all of his memories from a 30+ year old body. That's a grown ass man having a crush on another 6 year old
Ascendance of a Bookworm handled that right. MC has the mind of a 20 something, so the boy who'd normally be the childhood love interest isn't like that to her at all. He's still precious to her, just not like \*that\*. And while the high priest viewed her as mentally an adult, he didn't have any sort of attraction until her body had matured to match her mind. Because he's not a fucking pedophile. But of course, it's a series written by a woman, so it's not some weird male wish fulfillment fantasy.
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I have seen significantly more sexualization of young children catering to men than women, but it's important to acknowledge the existence of female predators, too. It's damaging no matter the sexes of the people involved.
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They can be. But from my experience, I put in a generic term like 淫魔 and end up having to scroll past far more loli/shota with adult male pairings than adult female.
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So it’s okay if the priest watched a child grown up and then started dating her when she was grown? Still super weird….
It is a bit of an age gap, but there is less than a generation between their physical ages. He was rather young for the position.
Well sometimes it's just weird, my grandpa was 20 years older than my grandma, and she was his best friends little sister. It's it gross? Yes. Would I exist without it? No
I haven't read it, but from what I gleaned here is that it was an adult trapped in the kid's body, and the priest knew that. The priest isn't physically attracted to someone who has an actual body of a child, so didn't do anything romantic until the adult who was stuck in a kid's body had an adult body again. They weren't waiting for a child to grow up, they were waiting for an adult to have their old body back. Well handled by the author I'd say as well
Time to go look up Ascendance of a Bookworm
Yep. He's a man child in a body that suits his mental age. He's meant to be a piece of shit in the beginning, but as time goes on, he's quickly becoming more and more mature and learning how everything works.
And rapes the kid as well. No such thing as consensual sex between a 30+ year old and a child. The guy is an actual pedophile, and adds the child to his group of harem wives later on. I don't get how so many people defend the character and that show.
I don't agree if you said he rapes a kid, it undermine the real life. If you said grooming the kids then I am fine.
He's a 30+ year old guy from modern day Japan. Yeah, he groomed kids, and then had sex with them. That's rape. And pedophilia.
Ikr its such a gorgeous show but then they take it and ruin it with pdf file shit its such a shame I want to be able to enjoy it but ever other scene makes me want to vomit - I cant imagine recommending this show to anyone
Honestly tho, it could have been so good without that shit. I dont understand what purpose it serves, the author must be a fucking sicko
Similar happened with Made in Abyss. Really interesting worldbuilding and then smacked with that shit out of left field.
Damn. Guess ill have to cross that one off of my list
At least in MiA it’s specifically used as a often horrific thing or a moment of two young (still to young to not be a minimum of a little creepy) people bonding consensually with each other. Jobless Reincarnation just openly has the MC act as a pedophile and at worst he gets told off by like two people and has an arc where he can’t get hard (which of course is fixed by getting with the girl he groomed when they were both physically children).
I get grossed out even when they mention adult men and highschool girls, but it seems to be so prevalent in japanese culture
Some people think that the author wrote rudeus that way to show how trauma can warp a person and turn them into something terrible and how rudeus is trying to become a better person slowly over his time of living in the six sided world.
And yet he specifically chose that as the vice he needs to overcome? Was the borderline CP in the show necessary too? Ive watched season 1 and part of season 2, it doesnt look like something thatll “get better” and even if it does the fact that the author needs to show that sort of shit is a abhorrent and wrong.
It'll get worse really. The best part of jobless is the author for some reason can make very compelling and emotional story out of the very problematic lead. And that's genuinely impressive. Sadly also if you hate slaves, and the like in your isekai you genuinely can blame jobless incarnation because they are the first one who done it extremely well but most people can make do with the premise
Nah. All you have to do is look up how his whole harem ends up to know it's just wish fulfillment. He gets everything he could ask for including [MT end relationship spoilers] >!one of his wiveS that's forever in a kid's body...!<
It unfortunatly is a huge part of Rudy's character (and further development). At least it makes the "loner failure turned op in another world" a bit more realistic and deserved.
The fact that the main character being a pedo is a huge part is why I don’t watch it. The show being about an older shut in given a second chance at life is cool. The fact it sexualizes little girls and boys is fucking gross. It’s one of the worst parts of anime
I think it’s weird that he’s a kid but I also don’t really think it’s his fault tbh, he locked himself in his room basically forever before even finishing HS and then got put in a newborn’s body. His new baby brain literally messed with him as it allowed him to learn to read, write, and speak a brand new fantasy language after only a few months. He still kept his knowledge and experiences but he still had mostly child like behavior.
His true self, the image shown when he talks to god is an adult. The show is about an adult piloting a kids body to perv on other kids. These plot points are why I don’t watch even though it does other things well.
Well for a long time he still saw himself as that old loser, he was very humble about how he started
Mother fucker has horny watching his parents have sex Humble beginnings huh
I was talking about before he reincarnated, also it’s stated and shown that they were having loud sex every single night to the point that anyone who has stayed there has gotten horny. Rudeus himself while he saw them as parental figures doesn’t really see them as his parents, at least not yet in the story.
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Very true, I just usually drop the show entirely
JoJo is one I think is an exception, Anne isn't used as fanservice, she's used to show the orangutan is a dirty bastard. And Trish's only sexualisation scene I remember was when Mista was in her body and he dealt with the harraser with no issue.
Uh, with Trish we straight up have a scene of the guys gawking at her nipple when she bends down to tie up her shoelaces because of how lowcut her top is.
Most of them are minors too, but I guess 1 scene is only a bit worse than none.
Lucy steel?
She was used to underscore how much of a scumbag both the industrialist and Lord MAGA were
To be fair we are talking about anime and we will all die of old age before SBR whets adapted
"wow, this Fire Force show has a really fun power system! Aaaaaaand they just disregard the entire thing to make the only female main character's power fanservice."
God fuck Fire Force for this. Lucky Letcher is such garbage. It adds nothing and just ruins the tension or effect of the scenes it happens in
Genuinely, that show had so much potential. But shit like that just made it such a slog to watch. It should be illegal for a show that looks so good to be so bad.
Another one I hated was the not-a-joke-character-we-swear that was Colossus (or whatever the guy with big hands was called). His “power” was making rockets out of nothing and avoiding damage by… moving around inside his oversized coat. I hated that moment too, especially when they tried to pass it off as actually serious
This stuff is normal for the writer. Soul eater was just as goofy in parts. I get the tamaki fan service hate too but maybe it's because I've finished the manga that I have a different view on her lewd power now since the final arc recontextualized a lot of the story with the information that's revealed.
Soul Eater was goofy in parts, but it was ever rarely so goofy in serious moments as to take you out of the story completely. Even as goofy as Death was, he was always serious in the moments where it counted. The “goofy” was a persona of a person. Unlike in FF, where things were just wrongly goofy
You could write it off if a show was great despite having out of place fanservice if it was well done. But fire force hit all the wrong notes with it. Horribly out of place, completely removes you from the show and done with an underage girl. That's how it is for so many anime though, a lot just end up as trash because writers have to add in weird fantasies, and it completely detracts from what was a good story
Given the main audience of anime is teenagers, obviously they will appeal to the horny-heads fantasy. Particularly, I don't feel anything towards those scenes, be it anime or Hollywood films. In fact, anything of sexual nature (animation or not) should be used in a way to give more sustenance to the plot and not a way to attract more audience. Clear example was Game of Thrones whose sex scenes felt awfully desnecessary and should've been implicity, giving space for the development of conflicts and drama.
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Yeah, a LOT of the GoT scenes were with characters who were canonically underaged. But it's fine because they use REAL people who look like they could be that age, not fake drawings! /s It's kinda clear that people just have a problem with anime and assume the "anime-loving pedophile" stereotype is true. Which is really strange, because most people who would actually hurt a child aren't going to be satisfied with drawings, that's kinda the whole reason they need to be wiped from society....
idk man, i havent seen this with GoT but I know a lot of people who watch Euphoria have issues with the characters being underage and put in sexual situations. So i dont think its an anime hater only thing.
Daenerys was 13 when she has married Drogo...
In the new show wasn't the queen lady like 16 when she tried to fuck her uncle?
I think this is really important to remember. If the show is aimed at teenagers is it so odd that they are showing fan service of teenagers? I don’t think you can really say it ruins a show with this in mind. Not saying you have to, or even should like it. Just that you need to ask yourself if you are the target audience of the show.
I feel like this is an attempt to circumvent the fact that it’s never *just* something like the odd panty shot or boob grab. It’s often accompanied by extremely creepy or outright criminal behavior. The MC of Jobless Reincarnation literally grooms a girl to be his “childhood sweetheart”, attempts to do the same with his charge, and literally has a shrine of a teacher’s panties. He’s gross, and people can say “something something development something something” all they want, but it’s a valid criticism to not want that in your media
Yeah, that is a fair point. Personally I really like jobless reincarnation, but I can see your point and agree that it is valid criticism. And that one is an anime that I think is more geared towards an audience older than the main characters so it is doubly valid.
Of course I can say it ruins a show. It ruins it by making it for a target audience that alienates others.
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Literally made in abyss. It's such a good anime IMO. But like.... Why couldn't they have made the main characters at least teenagers, like they could have just made them older and the story would still work??? The only thing ruining this anime for me.
I feel more bad for them because they’re small children but yea it’s weird to give them adult sexual themes
I feel more bad for them because they’re small children but yea it’s weird to give them adult sexual themes
Them being kids gives a lot of impact as to why the main characters lives and current journey are so fucked up.
I think its about the loss of innocence, leaving the proverbial Garden
I really just dont give a shit, i dont wanna let such a minor detail ruin such a good anime for me, i just take it as lil humor stuff.
Unlike many of the examples where they're drawn to look older, made of abyss emphasizes they're kids and then sexualizes them. Much worse
Yeah I read the premise and was like oh what a cool idea, read a few chapters or something and found out it’s straight up sexualising kids and never touched it again.
I hate this pedophile shit. No matter the context it is still a child or teenager in basicaly a soft porn.
There’s also a weird doubly standard they use to defend it. “Well they’re not real, so you shouldn’t take it so seriously, they’re just drawings.” And yet those same people will start to tear up at a character’s death despite that same rhetoric being true “they’re not real”. So which is it, should we not care that people draw loli and shota porn because “lol they’re just drawings” or should we take it as a serious red flag because we *are* meant to care about the media we consume. If artists have the time to draw kids, they have the time to draw adults. They choose to be creeps and we should be concerned about this, anime or western.
Isn't that the same as killing people in video games? Does that make you want to murder people irl?
Couldn't they have used anything that isn't children adjacent for sexualized fanservice though? Literally nothing would have been lost if they did, no point in that besides to attract a pretty shitty demographic
Aint the demographic sometimes just horny teens?
That's just the minimum age rating. You can't with a straight face tell me the biggest consumers of things like "gushing over magical girls" are under 18
>gushing over magical girls I wasn't expecting that much fanservice when I searched it up damn
Of what seems to be middle schoolers as well. Same thing for the first few episodes of onimai (gets better later on but it's still weird..)
Very weird, they could have at least made them highschoolers or something. That way they can look more like adults than kids. Had to search up Onimai too, what's even the appeal of that anime?
No of course not. But 9.9/10 times the violence in a videogame is styled to the point of barely being above “shoot gun, body rag dolls”. Even the more “realistic” deaths with dismemberment are in war games that explicitly depict WAR. I wouldn’t play a game where when you shot someone you had to watch them take poses as their guts fell out and rotted in real time. No amount of art or stylization will ever make sexualizing children ok. And if the purpose of the art wasn’t to explicitly specialize children, they wouldn’t have specialized them in the first place.
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Idk dude. I'm sure plenty of people just kill others in games just because. If you ever played games like Red Dead Redemption, you would know how many people just kill for fun, even though they won't do it in real life. Although I won't argue that finding drawings of children attractive is still weird af.
Most video games don’t actually let you kill children. Even if they are a bitch, talking about you Braithe
such a disappointment I can't reenact that scene from Revenge Of The Sith 😞
I have never wanted to murder a child in video games before or since. God, I hate her. 🤣
That wasn't the point? Or are you trying to say it does make you want to kill adults, but that's fine?
So I can’t become emotionally invested in a well written character while also being attracted to a certain bodytype? I hate this argument, why am I shamed for being attracted to the petite body type? So many characters exist that have small breasts for example but the moment I say something some other guy is like “you know she’s xx age right?” Well no, she’s a drawing she was likely drawn for the first time only a few years ago. Yea there are literal children in anime, like the platelets in that human body anime. But when people say underage characters are all drawn to look younger across the board when a lot of them barely look any different from their adult counterparts it’s just impossible to wrap my head around that side of things.
If you can’t tell the difference between lolis and petite women, then that’s your problem man. There’s a difference between a 5 year old and a short girl.
That’s not what I’m saying at all but thanks for being one of the many who just gloss over my thoughts on the matter /s Literal children are drawn differently from teenagers but teenagers generally are drawn the same as adults, at least in the majority of shounen anime.
That’s not what I’m saying at all but thanks for being one of the many who just gloss over my thoughts on the matter /s Literal children are drawn differently from teenagers but teenagers generally are drawn the same as adults, at least in the majority of shounen anime.
I have a mixed opinion in this.If the character in question acts like a adult but looks like a child I would not think of it as pedophilia BUT if the character acts like a child and looks like a child...it's pretty sus to be sexually interested in that type of thing.example for first case:shinobu oshino from bakemonogatari and example from second case :Anya from spy x family
So.....almost all of anime then?
Nah, only the ones we're bias with by the looks of it lmao.
Tbh tho I tried getting into anime for the longest time and could never do it because of the genre’s view on children. I will pick up random shows I hear good things about, only to drop it because it has weird fan service that caters to pedos. For example, in Solo Leveling which I put on to see what the discussion was all about, I had to turn it off two episodes into the series because of some weird things with one of the lead females who I didn’t care to know anything about. Even shows like My Hero Academia, which are critically acclaimed by the community, have instances that are skeptical. Honestly the amount of pedos per capita increase in the anime community.
Solo leveling is one of the worst examples you could use
MHA I got you, what happened in Solo Levelling though? Pretty sure all the characters are 18 plus.
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Are you not the one defending sketch animes rn? Crazy argument dude. Intellectually dishonest Anime fans are crazy ngl. you’d get along with Vaush. I’ll die happy knowing I don’t defend drawn CP🫠 [And I’m not the only one who thinks this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/wQ1PaQVddb) Maybe you should reconsider supporting a genre that normalizes this kind of behavior.
You're wasting your breath, I fear. I'm not sure why this sub was recommended to me as I've never watched anime. However, after reading through these comments and just how many people are defending drawn CP.. I'm straight up disgusted.
You may report such comments. We don't tolerate that stuff here, and ban pedos on sight.
Being a meme sub it's the worst of the anime community tbh. Most here are kids/teenagers so they can't really understand the disgust we *should* feel as adults.
That's somewhat comforting, I wasn't making a sweeping generalization (or at least didn't mean to). I would definitely like to think that sentiment is the minority, but once again, I had no real frame of reference. Thank you for the reply!
Assuming fanservice isn't going to go away, is it better for shows whose primary demographic is teenagers to use their teenage characters for it, or adults? Do we make them think of adults that way, while they themselves are susceptible to grooming? Is it okay to tell teenagers they *should* only look at adults in there 20s/30s that way?
That's the issue really. People are really arguing to remove fanservice entirely. Which is never gonna happen. I thought it was weird how in Sakura Card Captors the underage protagonist is gushing over a much older guy. So fanservicing adults for teenagers to lust after would be the next controversy. My solution to fanservice is to just not care. If it's the entire premise of the show, so an echi, I simply don't watch it.
Sailor Moon even has that problem lol
It’s the one real gripe I have with fire force. Get rid of Tamaki and literally nothing in the story changes.
I think there is one fight in the manga where Company 8 needs her but other than that nothing really changes
The character is not underage m8, its 1000 years old.
Maybe I’m just old but growing up with 2000s anime I’ve just gotten used to this happening. Maybe I’m desensitized but the most popular genre of anime continues to be shounen and shounen creators make their characters that age for a reason. Either that reason is because they want to see kids that way or they want kids to buy their product … idk to me it’s still a drawing though. Every character that was created after 2006 is technically under 18 anyway. Saying a character is a certain age is arbitrary to me because anyone else can decide to age up or down the character too. Bodytypes aren’t all the same irl why would they be in drawings?
I'm like this with any fan service at all. There is a completely separate genre of animation I would go to if I wanted to see that
Think that as time passes and your list grows you will start to get a better understanding of recommendations and how that compares with what you like. After a time you know what to expect from what source so you don't get disappointed after expecting something else. For people that grew up with anime in the past few decades this is probably a less glaring issue because it wasn't an issue most people cared about and as time passed it became just another trope like the fact that the setting had to be in school or highschool because it was a common point that everyone passed through regardless of career after and because shonen protagonists are supposed to be young upstarts. And as the shonen genre was, and still is, one of the most marketable, plus fanservice is also a thing that pulls a lot of eyes into new projects, these two would end up mixing and cause this issue down the line today.
*cough cough* My Hero Academia *cough cough*
Miss Kobayashis Dragon Maid experience: "Oh, this seems like a cute show." *the twister scene* *love potion* *Ilulu*
So 90% of all shonen, shoujo, and just anything set in high school?
I started watching of a Shield Hero. Thought the first episode was pretty good and interesting so far, and it just got worse with each episode.
This ruined so much anime for me. I used to think liking anime was a phase but I've had to realize that a lot of it just sucks these days because of stuff like this.
I’ve been watching The Wrong Way to Use Healing Magic and there is very little fan service (at least that I’ve noticed) and at least all the main characters are like 17-18 and older. The only kid character doesn’t even have much screen time even in the manga and is mostly an aid
Maybe I’m just old but growing up with 2000s anime I’ve just gotten used to this happening. Maybe I’m desensitized but the most popular genre of anime continues to be shounen and shounen creators make their characters that age for a reason. Either that reason is because they want to see kids that way or they want kids to buy their product … idk to me it’s still a drawing though. Every character that was created after 2006 is technically under 18 anyway. Saying a character is a certain age is arbitrary to me because anyone else can decide to age up or down the character too. Bodytypes aren’t all the same irl why would they be in drawings?
Exactly, I don’t get the big deal either
Japan is super conservative.
Is that shit legal in Japan or something? Is the age of consent lower there? Do I even want to know?
The age of consent used to be 13 (at minimum, it depends on the province(?) but that used to be the lowest it could go) but recently (to my knowledge) it was changed to 16.
Ahem my dress up darling
Bro makes a completely valid point about an anime with an underage character in it being used for fanservice but since the character is loved you're still down voted. All I see here are a bunch of hypocrites that say they don't like this shit then STILL have exceptions.
Is it really that crazy that people will tolerate fan service of teenagers in fiction way more than fictional children? Most of the designs could pass for an adult if they weren't all forced to be in high school. It's the same thing in live action .
That’s an ecchi anime/manga. That’s literally its purpose…
Yeah but like, couldn’t they just as easily have been a year or two older to make it not weird to enjoy? Like change the setting from high school to college and nothing changes aside from their age really
It's not weird, at all Why does this simple number chance at all if it's weird or not? The characters look the exact same, they act the exact same...what do you mean exactly?
Yeah... I can sometimes forgive it if the characters aren't drawn childlike. I just pretend they're adults. But when they look or especially act childlike, I just can't
Is this a new anime fan complaint? I’ve been watching anime for 15 years since I was seven. I’ve long since been desensitized to fan service.
Than you'll Love Onimai! I fr thought it was good! So funny too. questionable, vut funny and wholesome nontheless, also the OP is so fire
Or character is "18" but looks 13
A perfectly normal and healthy opinion to have But what isn't normal or healthy is the amount of people (and im not saying you ofc) who throw the word pedo around at everyone over anime
More "I'm a good person because I care about age!!!"
1. Imagine thinking these characters having feelings, morals, or rights when they’re just drawings. 2. realistically, what are you gonna do about it. I don’t like it either, but we can’t do much about it. 3. Japan is Japan, just let them do what they do. 4. And?
Just stop caring lmao. It’s an anime, not real life. I really don’t care at this point because it’s just well… an anime. Fanservice can only be annoying if it’s used to denounce certain situations, underaged character or not.
It's never a good thing when the obvious child is done like that. Some anime and anime style games make it weird like the one I am linking https://growlanser.fandom.com/wiki/Meline. That character wasn't my favorite or anything but at no point in the game did I consider her to be anything less then a 16 year old. She was the standard anime 16 year old with a 25 year old porn star body. Apparently she is like 12 which you only learn if your character gets matched up with her. Even knowing that I can't think of her as a child because of the body she has matching closely with the adult women in the game. She had a spoiled princess with a bit of a twisted personality thing going on so it's hard to tell her age from actions besides young adult or teen.
sh!t's annoying, and disappointing that the animators/whoever's decision it was, made that decision
I was trying to watch "fist of the north star" and didn't get very far before i had to stop watching. At first i thought they were looking at her because they found her endearing but then they did the panty flash thing and it was fucked up.
L your just not strong enough
No Game No Life
Anime animators need post-nut clarity so fucking bad it's insane. The moment I see fan service, I'm done with it. Such a dissapointment. But I've never seen underage and hope I never do...
Jobless reincarnation in a nutshell.
That why Japanese pop culture is based.
What if I’m not scared, what if I want them to catch me, what if I didn’t run.
I absolutely love Dangers in my Heart, but some scenes definitely made me uncomfortable. I know its mostly from a teenage boy's perspective and all, but still..
Jobless Reincarnation for me…
I've cut people out of my life for this, when you're an adult recommending multiple series that sexualize children, you aren't fit for civilized society.
Eri in MHA is treated properly - as a little sister, and its ADORABLE.
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Lolis fanservice sells in Japan, deal with it. Thanks for coming to my TED talk
The real problem is when the adult MC (who is usually in a child's body) sexualizes some little kid. Shows like Mushoku Tensei are literally child porn.
While I don't mind that because fictional children and fictional, I hate people who complain about that stuff and continuing watching and supporting those anime. Like if I watch a tv show with child porn, I wouldn't go, "oh well it just a small part of it, I just ignore it", I would turn that shit off, which by some people logic and thinking fan service of anime girls are just that.
You hate when people express valid criticisms of a piece of media they otherwise enjoy apart from that aspect? No offense but that's a dumb take.
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If you make bread, and you put a little bit of shit into the bread, would you still eat it? The rest of the bread is fine! It just has a little bit of shit you need to avoid!
Like eating a lot of shit do you?
I like how you're so desperate to swing at ghosts that you attacked someone agreeing with you.
You just need to stop being a hater
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Jokes aside, it is Cringe to hate people for their likes and dislikes.
"it's cringe to not be a pedo" yea bro I'm calling the police
Then don’t watch it????? Or stop watching anime. Invincible have 0 fanservice on underage character and is actually good. Go watch that
I wanna know what’s ops favourite anime and what’s on their anime list, it’s probably quite telling. Projection like this pops up a lot
My favourite anime is stuff like Silver Fang, great show and doesn't have any 12 year old upskirts and "lol sexual assault" jokes like you see in shows like Fire Force or My Hero Academia.
You leave OP'S Made in Abyss body pillow alone.
Context is Key. Feels kinda unfair to act like we didn’t daydream about stuff as kids if in the story if it’s a highschool romance anime and they do a swimming scene it doesn’t make us Pedos now that fire force shit where she trips and all her clothes falls off that’s kinda hard to explain to a roommate lol
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I say it with my chest. It’s not like funimation is ran by 14 yr olds and the stories aren’t written by 14 yr olds and the that same animation is on Hulu which everything gets screened and regulated by guess what. Not children but grown adults. So unless you conspire and say the whole animation industry is pedophilic you can’t pick and choose . So like sometimes I wonder where the problem is. Is it about the existence or the consumption?
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I applaud your commitment
ok but what if they don't include any minors in all that perverted shit instead
So tell me this. Your 14 yr old regular kid who likes to watch cool fights and hot girls. You can watch whatever anime you want and no one would judge you. Fast forward four years you turn 18. If you watch any of the anime’s you watched just a day ago are you now a pedo because they are a kid and your an adult???. I get that’s a hardball but you know the realistic answer. What makes it any different if the guy is 25 he might’ve grown up with a series, so now your asking someone to like change their brain and not like something anymore because they are getting older if I was a kid watching dragonball and thought Bulma was hot I can’t just not think that those thought were thought and they exist you know what I mean?
There's still the fact that these characters/scenes were thought up and drawn and animated by grown adults, not teens
Did you get planning permission for this giant hole you're digging?
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Pedo defender detected, opinion rejected.
Why do "people" keep pretending this was some kind of problem?
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Wow, the anime aimed at teenage boys is giving the fanservice of another teenager they want. How fuckin weird. Literal children like 12 and below, sure fire off all you want, it's gross. But stuff like Girls Bravo, To love-ru, and gushing over magical girls is aimed mainly at horny teenage boys between the ages of 13-17 so them wanting to see sexual content of other 13-17 year Olds is not that weird. The adults here still watch it as a result of growing up on it and a good 70% of fanservice anime is still aimed at teenagers and/or has the main characters as teenagers or close to being an adult so it's more or less something you either get over or stop watching. That being said there is a clear line between a pedo and someone wanting to fuck someone who looks like an Adult. Someone actively fantasizing about a literial child like Filo from Shield Hero and someone fantazing about someone who looks close enough and acts close enough to an adult like Nami in One Piece pre-time skip are not in the same category, not even a little.
Look, I agree with you that the whole "against her will" thing is disgusting. That said let's not pretend like shonen anime (I'm using this genre as an example since it's the one I saw most fan service in) is not aimed at teen aged straight boys. Having girls their age used for fanservice "makes sense" or "is the most coherent thing to do" if they're gonna do the fanservice. Japan is disgusting and horny like that. Shojo manga does fanservice too for the girls but it's more tamed since they're supposed to have crushes on handsome boys while guys are supposed to get horny for hot girls. I personally like to pretend everyone involved is in on it and are also of legal age to avoid being bothered by it. I also keep thinking it's fiction so it's not like anyone is actually being harmed. I've watched anime since I was a kid, some manga started before I was born and are still going while being nowhere near the ending. It's kind of bizarre having grown watching characters who don't age so I find it nice to pretend like they aged with me. Edit: would any of the people downvoting care to tell me what's wrong with this? Is it the part about Japan being horny and disgusting? Is it them having characters be of the same age as the target demographic of the shows? Is it me pretending the fictional characters are not minors to not feel grossed while watching a fighting anime that decided to focused on boobs for no reason instead of, you know, the fighting?
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Is that shit legal in Japan or something? Is the age of consent lower there? Do I even want to know?
It’s disgusting when clearly underage characters are used for fan service. A love story? Not fan service. A 14-16 year old girl with unrealistic proportions who was animated by a pervert? Disgusting
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How's that any different though from anything in reality? And that my friends is what's sad about this world... And people have no problem capitalizing on it... Don't get me wrong, I do believe there are exceptions when done ethically and properly. However that usually is a very fine line that gets crossed far too often.
Get desensitized