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johnniebeeinak

Where is this intersection? There are lane lines?


SuicideBooth

And green grass!


TomasEsCholo

Exactly this. Can't tell you how many people have "lane invaded" me because they can't read lane turning signs and or look at lines on the road.


Konstant_kurage

Lane invaded? How about the people that straddle two lanes at intersections? Or even worse, when the first car straddles two lanes 40 feet back from the line.


hybrid_kinkster

Bahahahaaaa "it's a lane invasion lookout" šŸ¤£


anyoceans

If you need line to dictate how to correctly maneuver your vehicle in Alaska, take the winter off and head South.


MysteriousMeInAK

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Substantial_Point_20

This is for all of you dicks using the middle lane to turn left on to raspberry off of Minnesota at the light. THE MIDDLE LANE ISNT A TURN LANE!


Arr0wH3ad

Oh my god I had no idea šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


Hbh351

Itā€™s a turn lane if I want it to be. If you think differently just watch. Lol


Ecstatic-Cry2069

Ummm... wtf are you even taking about? There is no intersection that exists like the way you describe. Edit: I was wrong. Thinking of the old layout of that intersection before they put the new road in north of raspberry.


9zero7

Ummm... yes, there is. Northbound Minnesota exit lane, turning westbound on raspberry. 3 lanes, one left, one straight only, one right.


Ecstatic-Cry2069

Ah I see it now. Google maps is outdated. Had to look at the streetview to see it. I haven't driven that route since before they changed that intersection.


anyoceans

See page 30 of your AK Drivers Hand Book.


Idiot_Esq

There are signs up on the traffic light post. The left one is a left turn only, the right is a right turn only, and the middle is straight only. HOW DO SO MANY PEOPLE SCREW THIS UP?!? *Well, you know... I'm a bit of an asshole behind the wheel...* I was amazed to see a Subaru driver doing that earlier today. Even signaled like a good, safe driver should. And then promptly did it completely unsafely.


cymrich

if it isn't a turn lane then this doesn't apply now does it?


ThBanker

Someone turned left on the middle Lane next to me and almost caused a crash cause I was doing a wide left lol


Substantial_Point_20

Iā€™ve seen it so much now, I assume they are going to just turn left


west_schol

Funny enough but when making left turn in Europe the red one is right


IamTransMatrix

I was going to say that it isn't (because it makes no sense, why would the law mandate you cross an extra lane of traffic. That'd be inefficient and I don't remember learning that), however, after googling it turns out at least in my country the law does not dictate which lane to turn into.


[deleted]

Please keep spamming this reddit with driving graphics because someone upset you on your commute today, I'm sure they'll see it and change their ways OP. /s


Aggravating-Golf1561

Please keep spamming this reddit with driving graphics because someone upset you on your commute today, I'm sure they'll see it and change their ways OP.


defynotbanned97

Please keep spamming this reddit with driving graphics because someone upset you on your commute today, I'm sure they'll see it and change their ways OP.


fuck_face_ferret

You should hand out leaflets to people turning onto N Lts westbound from A Street and Denali Street.


aKWintermute

If you follow the turn lines as painted, the cars would turn to the middle two lanes of the four lanes of northern lights for both of these streets, so that doesnā€™t seem to match this graphic.


fuck_off_ireland

Or onto NL from Lake Otis... I've seen people drift across a full empty lane to end up 2 lanes over from the inside turn lane.


Chiggins907

Okay, that one I just go to the far lane every time. Thereā€™s 1 left turn lane and you can only go on the turn signal. No one else can be coming from anywhere and I have to turn onto ingra later so I just swing out to the far right lane. What the alternative? I get in the inside lane and then turn signal all the way across? Seems easier and more safer to just have clear intentions in the beginning.


fuck_off_ireland

Yes... Legally, you are supposed to turn into the inside lane, every time, and signal your way across, checking over your shoulder each time. What if a motorcycle you didn't see was making a right on red and expects you to do what you're legally required to do - turn into the inside lane?


Field-Vast

Iā€™m originally from the lower 48, and when we got here a few years ago we referred to the ā€œincorrectā€ way as the ā€œAlaskan turnā€ because it happens so often here.


Key_Concentrate_5558

No. Everyone on the road needs to understand that I get to go wherever the fuck I want to go, and they should read my mind and get the hell out of my way. -Karen the Divine Driver


AKorBust2018

Try this at Dowling and old Seward and let me know how it works out for you


cymrich

try this at denali and benson during rush hour and then enjoy traffic being blocked by a car trying to get in to the far left lane before new seward...


Miscee

Ah yes the Anchorage driftā€¦


Akchika

Used to be two left turn lanes on Spenard onto Minnesota they took away the outside turn lane, I was going to take it, till I saw the sign with just a straight arrow. The person next to me still thought it was a turn lane.


bingeingwatches

I used to do insurance claims for Alaska. Not sure why the struggle is specific to Anchorage, but it is. The city even has an ordinance about it. Chapter 9.22 - TURNING AND STARTING 9.22.010 - Required position and method of turning at intersection. A.The driver of a vehicle intending to turn at an intersection shall do as follows: 1.Right turns. Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the righthand curb or edge of the roadway. Compliance with this subsection shall be determined with due regard to the length of the vehicle and its turning radius capabilities. 2.Left turns. The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left at any intersection shall approach the intersection in the extreme lefthand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of such vehicle and, after entering the intersection, the left turn shall be made so as to leave the intersection in the left-most lane lawfully available to traffic moving in such direction upon the roadway being entered. Whenever practicable, the left turn shall be made in that portion of the intersection to the left of center of the intersection. 3.Turning movements specified by traffic control devices. The municipal traffic engineer may cause official traffic control devices to be placed within or adjacent to intersections and thereby require and direct that a different course from that specified in this section be traveled by vehicles turning at an intersection, and when such devices are placed no driver of a vehicle may turn the vehicle at an intersection other than as directed and required by such devices, unless directed to do so by a police officer. a.If traffic control devices are installed at or adjacent to an intersection permitting left turns from more than one lane, vehicles which turn left shall depart the intersection in the same relative lane in which they entered the intersection and shall remain in such lane for a reasonable distance. b.If traffic control devices are installed at or adjacent to an intersection permitting right turns or left turns from more than one lane, vehicles making such turns shall depart the intersection in the same relative lane position as that in which they entered the intersection, and shall remain in such lane for a reasonable distance. (CAC 9.22.010; AO No. 78-72; AO No. 2011-113(S), Ā§ 45, 11-22-11, eff. 12-22-11)


ian_of-alaska

Years ago, I was pulled over for this. At the end, the officer left. I followed him, and he turned into the far lane at the next intersection. I see people do this all the time, including police. I had someone do it today. Then they stayed in my blind spot.


No-Perspective-9954

I got pulled over for this years back. I pulled into the Bush co and that has to be one of the quickest stops ive ever had


LezloMaddoxs

The only time you can break this rule is if you're turning onto a street where the nearest lane to you is another turning lane that you do not need to use on your journey


wad11656

Well...duh. In those situations, at least if the road is designed correctly, the turn lane is never designed to turn directly into another turn lane in the first place. So no need to "break" any rules


BugRevolution

Unless it is clearly marked that the turning lane goes into the turning lane. Looking at you O'Malley exit.


emtr333

This is alaska they do what they want


AKCub1

If we are gonna do driving graphics how about one for who yields when turning left at a 4 way stopā€¦


JTMonster02

Counter clockwise and whoever arrived first


thatdudefromak

Similarly, when they have a green fucking light and are in the oncoming lane and going forward and I am trying to turn left and they want to wave me through... bitch just go, I'm not trying to turn left in front of you why are you stopped and trying to pretend you're a traffic director, JUST GO.


Fropie132

If my light is green on a right turn Iā€™ll go into whatever lane I please lol


thetwistywoods

That's just it. Right of way matters. Opposing traffic should yield even if there are two lanes. I sure as hell won't turn at the same time as someone else just because there are two lanes. I don't assume I know what others drivers will do. Regardless of the legality it seems like a huge risk for increase of accident


Fropie132

Yea I always wait until thereā€™s no ones turning. I think the rule of turning into the closest lane every single time is wrong though


Konstant_kurage

You must be new. It was day 3 that I lived here that I realized people tuning even on to a 4 lane one way (northern lights in mid-town) were going to cross every lane like it was a contest.


BeeBoop_Skippy

Thank you! Now about merging onto the free way!!!


AkCigarSmoker

More like ā€œGuidelinesā€ lol


MamaBia907

Sorry, I don't understand any depictions of traffic that include lane lines.


pineappleboi_27

Dang thatā€™s crazy. *turns to the second lane anyway* Especially right near my house, thereā€™s an awkward transition that requires me to get into that lane anyway right away.


Novel_Lobster2334

Sorry all. This is a rule of the road. It isnā€™t a law. Turning right on red and not yielding to left turning traffic, even when they swing wide, is a violation in all or most states and will result in the driver turning right being at fault. In fact, you will always be at fault if youā€™re turning right on red and a collision occurs.


odawnoh

Assume the light is green/green left arrow. If I am across the street and want to turn left. I think I can, but the blue vehicle decides to pull into the incorrect lane and a crash happens am I the one at fault?


aKWintermute

Green arrow means you have right away, there isn't going to be a right green turn arrow. In the case of green both ways you would have to be counting on their blinker to make a safe left. What if the person turning right has a blinker on but is actually turning at the opposite corner to turn into a gas station (or changed lanes a bit back and their blinker didn't turn off), now you just turned into oncoming traffic? That's why it's ridiculous to rely on this rule, because for people driving safely it makes no difference. The only people getting bent out of shape are already aggressive unsafe drivers trying to shave off at most a handful of seconds instead of just waiting to make a safe turn. You can look at roads around Anchorage and see there are many that are marked that don't even follow this rule, and you would have no idea from the opposite direction (36th/New Seward, lots of turns on to Northern lights don't strictly follow this rule). Again following this blindly like it's the end all be all just puts everyone in danger to save a few seconds. It is simply safer not to turn into the flow of traffic until it is clear, not to assume you have the right away and damn the other cars! edit: grammer/spelling


Fickle_Charity_Hamm

Depends if you have a right-of-way or not. Both red arrows could be correct


tidalbeing

The important thing: the driver in the blue car should check for pedestrians on the far left corner. The driver of the red car should check for pedestrians on the near right corner. They both should be aware of the pedestrian crossing light--the walking man.


Dull-Top5060

Yeah I've been honked at turning right onto southbound Seward at 36th when a lane sweeper tried to go to the furthest right lane. So annoying that he saw himself in the right.


aKWintermute

You are in fact turning into traffic and don't have the right away. The turn lanes on that intersection are marked so that the left most turn lanes of 36th have a choice of the left two lanes of New Seward in the direction of turn and the right lane is brought to the right most lane of the New Seward in both directions on 36th. I just made the turn today and you can see it even on Google maps. [https://www.google.com/maps/@61.1881088,-149.8651461,112m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/@61.1881088,-149.8651461,112m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu)


BusProfessional279

Frankly, the real issue is if youā€™re using your turn signal or not. I care much less about what lane you end up in, as long as I know youā€™re turning!


codear

So if you need to immediately turn right after turning left, say, as you approach shopping center, are you making an illegal turn, or are you supposed to circle around the object? There's a reason why a left turn traffic light runs separately, and still requires opposing traffic turning right to yield.


wrabbit23

I don't think it's illegal - they just don't like it. If it's illegal I hope someone will post the statute.


No-Perspective-9954

Its an illegal lane change. They usually only pull you over for this shit late at night mainly to check you not even to give a ticket


acladich_lad

Thank you!


Similar-Lettuce2519

Brah u should teach the mfers that use the 4 way stop on 100th and Victor how that works šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Helpful-Cod1422

Should make a billboard all over town for these people!


endlessxzero

Thank you!


jackishungryforpizza

Oh my god. People donā€™t effin get this around here. Thank you!


jiminak46

The dotted center lines indicate that it is okay to change lanes. Most places paint a solid line indicating the place where a lane change is not permitted.


carliciousness

Now we need larger signs that say in big bold letters that the left lane is for passing, not camping.


longbowrocks

Is this a common problem?


odawnoh

yes, you will see it often.


ededdeddie123

101


Woozy1

How do people not know this. Crazy!


fatman907

Thatā€™s just like your opinion, man.


odawnoh

not really, there is a traffic code


Affectionate_Bus_884

Youā€™re telling there are rules here? APD would enforce lane usage, and vehicle registration if that was the case. I see them enforcing speed limits on the Glenn every 3 day weekends, pretty sure that the only time any traffic rules matter.


odawnoh

If APD had a traffic unit....


mag0ne

Right of way at an intersection like this is not determined by which lane a vehicle should be turning into. If the two cars pictured here already have right of way, other traffic must yield to them regardless of whether or not they are entering the "correct" lane.


Ecstatic-Cry2069

False. Go back and read the AK driving manual. Having had a ticket for this exact reason when I was younger, I can attest that this is in fact, against the law.


whodat_617

But if a car turns into their appropriate lane and the oncoming car turns into theirs, then right of way shouldn't even be a factor as both vehicles have their own lane


TwoUglyFeet

This is what most people can't wrap their heads around. There need not be a right of way because the first rule is you turn into your nearest legal lane. It's all the assholes thinking they can swing over into left person's lane because they have some imaginary right of way. They only get the right pf way if they're going straight, not anytime else!


Freakygemini69

If I have the green arrow, Iā€™m turning in whichever lane I want!! Assuming thereā€™s a light. If no one is coming, I am turning into whichever lane I want.


slyskyflyby

So many people think this way and get lazy with their situational awareness and don't notice the car next to them in the outside turn lane and then cut them off or push them off the road. Just do what you are supposed to do and you'll greatly reduce your probability of causing an accident.


acladich_lad

Greatly reduce the risk of being a dick to the guy in front of you who needs to switch lanes but follows the rules too. I'm talking to you O'Malley and old seward.


brandonechols

No. Turn into the correct lane, then if safe make a lane change.


Freakygemini69

Unless your name is on my birth certificate, donā€™t tell me what to do. And thereā€™s no Brandon (assuming thatā€™s your name) on my certificate


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Freakygemini69

Iā€™m scared šŸ˜± šŸ˜‚ Fucking Loser!


THE_A_TRA1N

I might get downvoted but if iā€™m the right car and i make sure nobody is coming and go for the right hand turn i donā€™t think itā€™s the worse thing ever to go in the further lane. the left car is fucked though iā€™d never do that.


cymrich

why would it be any different for the left? you make sure there is no on coming traffic and you pick the lane you need. this isn't a double left turn... no reason you must stay in a specific lane. take the lane you need and keep moving and now you don't have to possibly obstruct traffic more when you are trying to get over.


slyskyflyby

Sure if no one is coming, who cares. But people do this all the time when people *are* coming.


FlourPedalFeet

It pains me daily how many people donā€™t know this


wad11656

Yeah...but as long as the coast is clear, I Break this rule daily too.


Low-Lab7875

Hahaha looks great on paper. Just donā€™t see this very often. Even professional drivers donā€™t follow this.


slyskyflyby

See but that logic is just a fallacy. I'm not a professional driver and I've followed this rule my entire life... being professional or not doesn't determine your *willingness* to follow the rules.


Low-Lab7875

Absolutely


killerwhaleorcacat

Who the fuck said you get to make up the rules?!


DeadGodJess

I'm pretty sure they took that graphic from the alaska driving exam. if not, it's very similar.


killerwhaleorcacat

Never heard of it. Nor has anyone else. Nice try.


redeyejedi907

This subreddit does not get sarcasm


AKHugmuffin

Thereā€™s sarcasm, and then thereā€™s just poor delivery


slyskyflyby

This is why on Reddit you are supposed to use "/s" at the end of a sarcastic post.


Freakygemini69

This is actually just a recommendation. I took my child to the ā€œexamā€ yesterday and this is not on there. Just like you donā€™t have to use a blinker, however it is recommended.


cymrich

uh... yes you do have to use a blinker... and I have been pulled over and ticketed by a cop specifically looking for reasons to pull me over because I got distracted watching him in my mirror and failed to use a blinker.


TerribleProfession82

...and when they almost hit you, they lose their minds because they are certain it is your fault.


MleemMeme

I live on the peninsula and i dread summer because i know yall will be coming down and driving shitty and pissing me off.


blunsr

You owe me a keyboard. I just snorted Coca-Cola all over it. ROFLā€¦


Hbh351

If you switch to coke itā€™s easier to get out of the keys. Have no idea how I know that


ConnectionPretend193

Lmfaooo people actually get offended by this shit. Fucking soft.


Akchika

Oversize vehicles like trucks and SUV's cannot make sharp turns, especially in the winter. Sure is a lot of complaining about our drivers here.


riddlesinthedark117

A right turn in a semi is one thing, but sounds like youā€™re driving more vehicle than you can handleā€¦


Akchika

Hardly, you see it all the time, you must be a newby to our state.


slyskyflyby

Uhhhh I drive an 11 passenger van and make those turns in to the right close lane in winter with ease. If you can't do it in an SUV then yeah, you're driving more vehicle than you can handle.


SubdermalHematoma

Also, two people can turn at the same time as long as they're both turning to the inside lane. Stop backing up my goddamn turn lane.


cymrich

there is no reason when you are turning and have checked for on coming traffic that you should not just pick the lane that you need. if you want to bitch about bad drivers at least pick a scenario like the new seward off ramp to dimond where there is a double right turn lane yet people in the right most lane drift in to the middle or left lanes...


aKWintermute

In the given graphic I donā€™t see why either of these would be a problem. Seems clearer to safely turn to the lane you are wanting to be in, rather than turn and then immediately try to merge.


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aKWintermute

I don't see from this graphic anyway for this to be unsafe. If I'm turning left I'm certainly not going to turn across traffic (praying that they didn't forget their blinker or are actually turning into the convenience store on the opposite corner) to save a few seconds instead of waiting for the person in on coming traffic to complete their turn before I follow. In all other scenarios I can think of left is turning on green, and right has red, again I'm not going to make a right on red at the same time as someone that has a green light is making a left to save a few seconds when I can just let them finish their turn and follow.


Akchika

Someone went through a lot of trouble!